2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[dcar00 14,867]

3 hours ago, satyanash said:

(Stewart Mandel) The critics are correct: The College Football Playoff committee is not rewarding strength of schedule

 

this is fucking hilarious.  Yormark is a complete idiot if he believed the SOS matters.  It hasn't mattered for years.  Our SOS didn't matter last year, it was only because we specifically played Bama.  Had we played lets say Oregon, we likely are out and Bama and FSU are in.  They could not decide to put Bama(SECSECSEC) in and not put in Texas.

The only thing that matters is loss column and eye test(for both conf and team).  eye test also includes if your helmet meets the eye test.  unfortunately for Yormark, none of the Big 12 teams have a helmet.

Our schedule is much harder than Oregon's but we are behind them, why?  because lost column and eye test.

[BurntOrange&White 41,354]

 

 

[Dnaguy 12,503]

53 minutes ago, kevwun said:

At least Michigan and Ohio St was a close game that went down to the wire.  OU blew Alabama out.

Full Baby Reindeer style.

[Chuckie Finster 22,958]

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but it's crazy to me that it is getting absolutely no attention.  Everyone is focusing on the schedule, but outside of the Georgia game, nobody is appreciating the level of dominance this team has shown.

Colorado State - Never trailed

Michigan - Never trailed

UTSA - Never trailed

ULM - Never trailed

Mississippi State - Never trailed

Oklahoma - Trailed from 0:15 left in the 1st quarter until 11:20 left in the 2nd (scored TD next drive)

Vanderbilt - Trailed from 9:40 left in the 1st quarter until 5:37 left in the 1st (scored TD next drive)

Florida - Never trailed

Arkansas - Never trailed

Kentucky - Never trailed

aggy - Never trailed

Over the 11 games (660 minutes) besides Georgia, we have trailed for SEVEN MINUTES AND 58 SECONDS.  Both times where we saw the other team score first, we immediately went and scored a touchdown and never looked back.  Do we appreciate how fucking insane this is?  

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

Edited December 5 by Chuckie Finster

[Js1 86,391]

8 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

BuT uT pLaYeD nObOdY

Next stupid bitching will be why did we trail two 6-6 teams for ~8 minutes midway through the season.  We are terrible! 

[nnm 37,476]

16 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but it's crazy to me that it is getting absolutely no attention.  Everyone is focusing on the schedule, but outside of the Georgia game, nobody is appreciating the level of dominance this team has shown.

Colorado State - Never trailed

Michigan - Never trailed

UTSA - Never trailed

ULM - Never trailed

Mississippi State - Never trailed

Oklahoma - Trailed from 0:15 left in the 1st quarter until 11:20 left in the 2nd (scored TD next drive)

Vanderbilt - Trailed from 9:40 left in the 1st quarter until 5:37 left in the 1st (scored TD next drive)

Florida - Never trailed

Arkansas - Never trailed

Kentucky - Never trailed

aggy - Never trailed

Over the 11 games (660 minutes) besides Georgia, we have trailed for SEVEN MINUTES AND 58 SECONDS.  Both times where we saw the other team score first, we immediately went and scored a touchdown and never looked back.  Do we appreciate how fucking insane this is?  

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

Do you know how much any of that matters?  
 

All that matters is 11-1, with a game Saturday. If UT were Alabama or some other chump team on the bubble, the SOS and other stuff might matter. But it doesn’t. Ignore it. 

[Horndog 2,285]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

this is fucking hilarious.  Yormark is a complete idiot if he believed the SOS matters.  It hasn't mattered for years.  Our SOS didn't matter last year, it was only because we specifically played Bama.  Had we played lets say Oregon, we likely are out and Bama and FSU are in.  They could not decide to put Bama(SECSECSEC) in and not put in Texas.

The only thing that matters is loss column and eye test(for both conf and team).  eye test also includes if your helmet meets the eye test.  unfortunately for Yormark, none of the Big 12 teams have a helmet.

Our schedule is much harder than Oregon's but we are behind them, why?  because lost column and eye test.

I'd like to hear Yormark answer the question why the 2 Big 12 CCG teams are determined by their conference W/L record rather than overall SOS.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18,880]

20 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but it's crazy to me that it is getting absolutely no attention.  Everyone is focusing on the schedule, but outside of the Georgia game, nobody is appreciating the level of dominance this team has shown.

Colorado State - Never trailed

Michigan - Never trailed

UTSA - Never trailed

ULM - Never trailed

Mississippi State - Never trailed

Oklahoma - Trailed from 0:15 left in the 1st quarter until 11:20 left in the 2nd (scored TD next drive)

Vanderbilt - Trailed from 9:40 left in the 1st quarter until 5:37 left in the 1st (scored TD next drive)

Florida - Never trailed

Arkansas - Never trailed

Kentucky - Never trailed

aggy - Never trailed

Over the 11 games (660 minutes) besides Georgia, we have trailed for SEVEN MINUTES AND 58 SECONDS.  Both times where we saw the other team score first, we immediately went and scored a touchdown and never looked back.  Do we appreciate how fucking insane this is?  

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

It's more dominant than that. How many minutes did the other team have the ball when there was only a one score difference? We've been up by two scores almost the entire season. Other than Georgia, I think the closest it's been is Vandy trying an onsides kick down 3 after a late TD.

[BurntOrange&White 41,354]

27 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but it's crazy to me that it is getting absolutely no attention.  Everyone is focusing on the schedule, but outside of the Georgia game, nobody is appreciating the level of dominance this team has shown.

Colorado State - Never trailed

Michigan - Never trailed

UTSA - Never trailed

ULM - Never trailed

Mississippi State - Never trailed

Oklahoma - Trailed from 0:15 left in the 1st quarter until 11:20 left in the 2nd (scored TD next drive)

Vanderbilt - Trailed from 9:40 left in the 1st quarter until 5:37 left in the 1st (scored TD next drive)

Florida - Never trailed

Arkansas - Never trailed

Kentucky - Never trailed

aggy - Never trailed

Over the 11 games (660 minutes) besides Georgia, we have trailed for SEVEN MINUTES AND 58 SECONDS.  Both times where we saw the other team score first, we immediately went and scored a touchdown and never looked back.  Do we appreciate how fucking insane this is?  

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

That’s why we’re number 1 in game control 

[Chuckie Finster 22,958]

29 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

It's more dominant than that. How many minutes did the other team have the ball when there was only a one score difference? We've been up by two scores almost the entire season. Other than Georgia, I think the closest it's been is Vandy trying an onsides kick down 3 after a late TD.

Quick check so I might have missed something, but if you are looking at second halves of non-Georgia games:

• Mississippi State was down 14-6 for the entire 3Q (15 mins)
• Vanderbilt was down 24-17 from 3:11 in the 3rd until 2:00 in the 4th (16:11) and then within 3 for the final 0:46.

330 second half minutes played outside Georgia, the opponent has been within one score for about 32 of them.  So not only are we leading, 90% of the time the other team isn't even within striking distance.

Fucking domination.

[Wishbone 4,905]

On 12/4/2024 at 1:49 PM, ztejas said:

It's amazing how fucking stupid he is. 

Yeah Kurt - I'm sure that the fucking Mountain West, B12 and ACC are gonna jump Georgia for the 2, 3 and 4 spots.

This guy is a greasy fucking water head that should never have anything he writes or says exposed to the rest of the world.

[dcar00 14,867]

1 minute ago, Wishbone said:

This guy is a greasy fucking water head that should never have anything he writes or says exposed to the rest of the world.

Texas would have absolutely have been better off had they not admitted him and he went to Tech or SW Texas State.  the guy poisoned the well for all the "jounalists" who worked for the statesman.  He is a fucking choad.

[MrX 777]

These pundits are all dipshits. It’s a fucking 12 team playoff. Every year, there are about 5 teams that have a good shot to win it all, followed by a bunch of other teams that would need every break in the world to get a title. And we’re bitching about team 12 here?  All these teams in that range are flawed as hell. 

[ztejas 44,095]

3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

Hey look another one!

3 hours ago, ztejas said:

This entire thing is like a nationwide IQ test for sports media and so many of these buffoons are outing themselves. It's honestly kind of great. 

The current CCG and bye situation is stupid but I think there for sure should be an autobid for each P4 winner. Idk about the 5th autobid and I'd be in favor of reseeding 1-12  after CCGs. There isn't enough crossover between conferences to say "well the B12 should just not get a team in". And then you make that entire conference slate meaningless. 

Like why the fuck are we doing 12 teams if the B12 or ACC winner doesn't even get a spot? If they really suck and don't belong then they'll get blasted in the CFP and we don't have to worry about it. 

But - I'm guessing what happens more often than not - is you have an ISU or ASU get in and then look pretty salty or upset somebody. I mean we only have 70 years or whatever of surprising postseason or bowl results to go off of. 

If you have an issue with the B12 or ACC getting 1 of 12 teams in every year then fuck off and go watch the NFL. 

[JBJ 3,761]

Are there any teams besides Texas, Oregon, and SMU that don't have an unranked loss?

 

[Huckleberry 34,174]

Boise State

['stache 22,085]

I could get behind the idea of the champs getting the bye then reseeding after the opening round but it might further diminish the CCGs.

[satyanash 15,222]

Dennis Dodd: Public campaign to sway CFP Selection Committee fuels private calls for change - maybe even back to computers?

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Both the College Football Playoff and the struggle to get in it have never been bigger. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey laid the groundwork for this year's frantic finish a year ago with his famous "Sesame Street" line as part of a declaration that a playoff without the SEC isn't "the real world of college football." "One of these things," he said of his teams compared to the FBS rank and file, "is not like the others, and that's the Southeastern Conference."

Tripling the playoff field to 12 has only multiplied and amplified the campaigns to be one of those dozen. Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin kicked off the week with a detailed description of why his team should be included. Nowhere did the tweet mention a loss to 4-8 Kentucky, a defeat at four-loss LSU or depressing loss at Florida. Illinois coach Bret Bielema soon clapped back regarding his own 9-3 program.

Alabama AD Greg Byrne followed with his own slickly produced tweet making the case for the Tide. It conveniently left out reference to debilitating losses at Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and that it is Alabama's first three-loss season since 2010. Miami sent out a series of tweets bolstering the Canes' case. And, no, there was no evidence among those of blowing a 21-0 lead Saturday at Syracuse.

It has gotten uglier since Tuesday night since Bama seems all but in the playoff after checking in at No. 11 in the penultimate CFP Rankings. ACC commissioner Jim Phillips is upset that Miami has been marginalized.

Kiffin lashed out again Tuesday over Miami being ranked a spot ahead of his Rebels, posting on X, "You guys actually meet for days and come up with these rankings?? Do you actually watch the quality of players, teams, and road environments…or just try and make the ACC feel relevant??" The expanded playoff is coming down to conference affiliation -- mostly ACC vs. SEC -- for the last remaining at-large spots.

That conference affiliation is an aspect of its duties the CFP selection committee is supposed to ignore. Even if all of the above is a bit of mishandled guerilla marketing, the intent of those tweets, and other public comments, was to somehow reach the 13 selection committee members. "Without any doubt it gets in the minds [of selection committee members]," said Fox analyst Urban Meyer, the former Ohio State and Florida coach. "Now, you've got to be disciplined and do the right thing. But, yeah, absolutely [it does]."

Paola Boivin, a CFP selection committee member from 2017-21, pushed back on that narrative while acknowledging she was aware of all the politicking that took place from invested parties.

"There was always so much noise, whether it was conference commissioners, whether it was pundits, whether it was fans on social media," said Boivin, a professor of journalism at Arizona State. "There's always noise before and after these polls. To me, it just blended in and I honestly didn't think twice about it. I felt very responsible in my job, I handled it very professionally and I think in that room that was the case."

The potential impact of the politicking and campaigning, even from within its own houses, is partly why the SEC and Big Ten have serious concerns about the human element of the committee, according to multiple sources. Even when viewed through a prism of everyone involved is doing their best with good intentions, the committee's inconsistent rankings, both year-to-year as membership turns over and even week-to-week as it selectively decides what to prioritize, highlight the inherent impossibility of the task the members have been assigned. How that process can be improved is being thoroughly examined as part of the Big Ten and SEC's joint efforts -- led by Sankey, SEC deputy commissioner Charlie Hussey, Big Ten commissioner Tony Petitti and deputy commissioner Kerry Kenny -- to reform the College Football Playoff.

The CFP is committed to its current 5 + 7 12-team format (five automatic spots for the highest-rated conference champions and seven at-large spots) through next year's playoff, but the contract allows for format changes starting in 2026.

That could come through automatic qualifiers, as the Big Ten has previously proposed, and only task the selection committee with seeding the teams and not choosing them. In this scenario, the Big Ten and SEC would each get the majority of the automatic qualifiers, three or four per conference, while the ACC and Big 12 would get one or two each, depending on whether the playoff field increases to 14 teams as many within college athletics expect when the current CFP format allows for change in 2026.

One benefit to the automatic qualifying route is it'd eliminate the current whining about whether tough scheduling is rewarded. South Carolina coach Shane Beamer complained Wednesday that "The committee made it very clear that they really don't give a hoot who you beat. Just don't lose three times." If each conference's AQ rules decide which teams make the playoff, scheduling a tough non-conference opponent like South Carolina's annual game against Clemson could benefit on seeding but not prevent a team from making the field.

Or the CFP could, as some SEC sources have suggested, be as bold as eliminating the committee altogether and returning to something akin to a revamped BCS (Bowl Championship Series) computer model that takes human subjectivity out of it. In this scenario there could be zero automatic qualifiers and no maximum on the amount of teams a conference would get into the field. The SEC has long taken the stance, publicly and privately, that it doesn't feel it needs automatic qualifiers and would benefit from an open format.

It boils down to the sentiment, among those familiar with the conferences' line of thinking, being that conferences do not trust the selection committee and would like to find away to take away its power. CFP officials continue to stress the objectivity of the committee. Members have to recuse themselves from the discussion if their alma mater is involved. However, conference affiliation does not disqualify members from weighing in.

In fact, this year's chair is from the Big Ten, Michigan AD Warde Manuel. He doesn't have to worry about his team but he works within a league that would like to see a move toward automatic qualifier spots beginning as early as 2026. "Subconsciously, [subjectivity] things are there and you can't change that ...," said former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese, a member of that first selection committee in 2014. "They said, 'We want to get the best teams.' But no one told us how to find the best teams."

For a decade now, CFP worthiness has been a moving target. Mostly, the so-called "right" teams have made it in. But this first year of the 12-team field has ramped up the anxiety over access to the playoff's billions.

The Big Ten and SEC have already gotten a bigger share of CFP revenue and fixing the selection process is a priority moving forward. Sources within both conferences shared frustration over past committee decisions with the four-team field and even, at times, near-bad decisions that signaled to some that the committee makeup needed changes. There is not much faith in the room to get it right from the sport's most powerful conferences especially as the job became more challenging with this year's 12-team format.

In October during a historic meeting of the two conference's leaders and athletic directors in Nashville, Sankey bluntly stated the 12-team playoff "just has to go incredibly well." Petitti, his Big Ten counterpart, was on the same wavelength and said "I want to see the selection process, how it works, how the seeding works, how they evaluate and compare teams." There is expected to be greater discussion with committee members and conference leaders after this season concludes to discuss what did and didn't go incredibly well.

If the CFP moved to more automatic qualifiers, historical track record justifies the Big Ten and SEC gobbling up the majority of the playoff spots. Since the BCS started in 1998, the SEC and Big Ten have combined to occupy 113 of the 184 of total BCS/CFP spots (62%). If the two leagues each get four teams in the first expanded bracket they would combine for 66% of the field.

Perhaps most fascinating about the Big Ten and SEC's concerns with the selection process is, on paper at least, neither conference could claim to be the most aggrieved party of the committee's decisions. Phillips and his two Florida-based schools, Florida State and Miami, would lay claim to that unfortunate honor.

In the history of both the BCS and the CFP, the SEC -- particularly Alabama -- had received every benefit of the doubt from the computers and human selectors. Twice the Tide played for a championship (2011 and 2018) without so much as winning its division. One former committee member pushed back on any Bama bias, citing how the team's speed, strength and other characteristics allowed the Crimson Tide to stand out when comparing against other teams side-by-side.

But the narrative cranked up again Tuesday night. Alabama, in the middle of its worst season since 2010, appeared ahead of contenders No. 12 Miami, No. 13 Ole Miss and No. 14 South Carolina. The SEC didn't totally get its way given the complaints from Kiffin and Beamer but it looks headed for a total four participants in the first expanded playoff come Selection Sunday.

The SEC has those three 9-3 teams whose regular seasons are completed -- No. 11 Alabama, No. 13 Ole Miss and No. 14 South Carolina. That three-loss SEC field could grow to four if Georgia (10-2) loses to Texas in the SEC Championship Game. Those schools will in some way be compared to ACC teams for the final at-large spots -- either SMU (11-1) or Clemson (9-3) or Miami (10-2). The Mustangs and Tigers play Saturday in the ACC Championship Game.

Clemson has to win. SMU may have to. Miami is out. Miami AD Dan Radakovich, a former CFP selection committee member, was understandably upset. 

Depending on how this weekend's games go, the SEC will either have four teams in the CFP compared to the ACC's one. Or the SEC will have three teams and the ACC will have two. That's where worlds would collide. That particular outcome would not be a good look for Sesame Street. "That's just up to them and their integrity to push that [subjectivity] aside," CFP executive director Rich Clark said this week of the selection committee. "It's incumbent upon each of the committee members to not allow conference affiliations to interfere with their judgement."

Meyer, who won national titles at Florida and Ohio State, accurately pointed out the Big Ten is more top heavy this season as it is in most years. No. 1 Oregon, No. 3 Penn State and No. 6 Ohio State have dominated in the first year of the 18-team league. The difference at the top is the parity in the SEC. There were no undefeated teams after Halloween. There are currently nine teams with four losses or fewer.  

"I've lived in that SEC world," Meyer said. "With all respect to those other conferences, there's nothing like that one, now. Top to bottom the cannibalism. It's week in, week out." CBS Sports expert bracketologist Jerry Palm doesn't believe the public campaigning has any impact on the actual field. "They aren't telling the committee something they don't already know, if the committee sees it at all," Palm said. "They certainly aren't thinking 'Oh my God! Lane is right! We are totally underrating them. Thank goodness for the brand new information.' "

As distasteful as it sounds, this has become the schools and conferences version of flag planting. Everybody is carving out a piece of turf. The same measuring sticks still apply. CFP protocols haven't changed:

•     Championships won
•     Strength of schedule
•     Head-to-head
•     Outcomes against common opponents

Little of that applied to Florida State last year when it became the second ever undefeated power conference champion not to play for a championship. FSU, 13-0 at the time, was without its injured starting quarterback Jordan Travis. That might have marked the biggest controversy in the CFP's history. At least one committee member told CBS Sports that person didn't think Florida State could win the national championship without Travis.

Teams' ability to win a national championship is not supposed to be one of the considerations. "Tell me who you don't want to play," Tranghese said relaying a key discussion within the room. "You've got to operate in a vacuum and pick the best teams. Make sure there is a healthy discussion about strength of schedule."

You can already anticipate a bigger controversy than FSU. Inside the Miami football facility they were livid Tuesday night that Alabama had gotten the advantage. The Hurricanes finished 6-2 against bowl eligible teams. Alabama was 6-3 in that category. Alabama had two bad losses against six-loss teams in the Commodores and Sooners. Miami lost for a second time Saturday by four on the road to an 8-3 team (Syracuse).

Alabama has that win over No. 5 Georgia which has already lost twice and not been particularly impressive lately. "It's simple, how do you keep [those SEC teams] out?" a head coach outside the SEC said sarcastically. "They've lost three times." In defending Tuesday's ranking, Manuel cited Alabama's 3-1 record against top 25 opponents while Miami finished 0-1.

Is there a team being left out that doesn't make it a credible playoff? "I don't think there is [such a team]," Meyer said. "There certainly is a street fight." That reflects the national reaction. Alabama wasn't the obvious choice to be in. Miami wasn't an obvious choice to be left out. Logic and history would dictate teams that have finished playing should remain in their Tuesday spot relative to each other on Selection Sunday.

CBS Sports asked Clark about a phenomenon that didn't exist when the field was expanded to 12. Realignment has now consolidated teams to the point they don't play half the opponents in their leagues. That might help explain why Texas, Oregon, Arizona State and SMU all got to their championship games in their first year in those leagues.

"It's very interesting," Clark said. "You have teams from the same conference that have completely different schedules. It used to be you'd expect they'd have a lot of common opponents. That is an interesting phenomenon but I think the committee can still overcome that."

In Year 1 of the CFP, former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice suggested fellow selection committee members hang hats on a hat rack before they entered the meeting room. Symbolically, that was supposed to represent they left their biases behind. "That's an indication to people who you work for, where you played, what league you're maybe tied to … that's irrelevant to the game of football. We're picking the best 25 regardless," Manuel said.

"This year it hasn't come up that somebody is speaking in a way that would indicate they're [favoring a league]."

But since that first year, entire networks have emerged to lobby for conferences. Nick Saban himself, as a coach and a commentator, has become an influential voice. It was Saban who famously went on GameDay in 2011 to lobby for Alabama in the BCS. Despite losing head-to-head to LSU in the regular season, the Tide were able to get back and win the rematch for the national championship.

Now he is more of a national voice as an ESPN analyst. "Now you've got the discussion, is it really worth going to a championship game?" said former West Virginia AD Oliver Luck, a member of that first selection committee.

We'll see if Georgia loses for a third time (vs. Texas in the SEC game), or if SMU loses for a second time (vs. Clemson in the ACC game). Both the Dawgs and Mustangs could be in danger of being left out after having to play that extra game. "Potentially, yes," Manuel said Tuesday night about SMU dropping below Alabama if it loses on Saturday.

If nothing else, the social media/TV/streaming campaigning plays to the base. At some point there will be an assessment not whether a school/coach is doing enough to make their case. Kiffin made the biggest impact on Monday right out of the box. "I look at some social media. I take it for what it's worth," Clark said. "I understand it but in the end I can't let that impact us."

[ztejas 44,095]

38 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Are there any teams besides Texas, Oregon, and SMU that don't have an unranked loss?

 

20 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Boise State

Penn State. Indiana. Georgia. 

So... the majority of the top 12. 

[MrX 777]

Miami getting left out this year isn’t nearly as controversial as Florida State getting left out last year. Hilarious. 

[Hermanator 7,519]

12 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Dennis Dodd: Public campaign to sway CFP Selection Committee fuels private calls for change - maybe even back to computers?

I've said it all along. If they want fair they'll source about 100 different models all with varying weighting of variables. Fill in the data as the season goes on, then on the Sunday after conference title games they run the whole thing, drop the top 10 and bottom 10 percent outliers, and average it all out. Boom... Minimally biased 12 team playoff. As minimally biased as it gets. 

They'll never give up the ability to seed for matchups and TV ratings, and that's why it'll never happen. The NCAA and CFB loves people being pissed. It keeps them watching, and now 90 percent of the football watching world will watch just to see Alabama lose if they feel they got preferred treatment. It creates a great heel to boost ratings even more. 

[DanTheHorn 5,029]

20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I could get behind the idea of the champs getting the bye then reseeding after the opening round but it might further diminish the CCGs.

The 4 top ranked conference champs get a bye and home game and everyone's seed is that of the end of the regular season. Don't dare allow the committee to reseed after every round of the playoffs. So you could have number #5 playing at #10 but they do not get 2 cupcakes in a row.

[TKthunder2 5,057]

56 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Are there any teams besides Texas, Oregon, and SMU that don't have an unranked loss?

 

Georgia 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,852]

Clemson is going to beat SMU, and then depending on the trash they get from the Big 10 or secsecsec, they're going straight into the quarter finals and maybe the semi finals. Guaranteed wins: Indiana, PedoState, Boise, ASU/ISU/BYU/Big 12, Notre Dame, Bama, Tenn. Probable wins: THEE Ohio State, Ole Miss. 

And all the newly minted secsecsec weirdos in this thread are going to freak out, but but but Clemson sucks, which is true, so what does that say about your two super conferences and this NFL Lite playoff of mediocrity 

[TKthunder2 5,057]

50 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

The 4 top ranked conference champs get a bye and home game and everyone's seed is that of the end of the regular season. Don't dare allow the committee to reseed after every round of the playoffs. So you could have number #5 playing at #10 but they do not get 2 cupcakes in a row.

Auto byes will be going away. I’d bet money on it. Giving a team not even ranked in the top 10 a bye to stupid.

I’m all for automatic bids for top 5 conference champs but free but and home games is a bridge too far.

Maybe they give byes to the top 4 CCG participants. This keep ND out and provides a benefit to the loser.

If Oregon and Texas win Saturday, they’d get the bye and then Penn State would likely get the third bye, SMU could get the fourth bye with a win or it would go to Georgia/Clemson if they lose.

Big 12 and MWC champ would get in, but no bye.

This seems like a far more realistic setup that most could agree to without classifying any special designations on the Big Ten/SEC.

[Hermanator 7,519]

47 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Clemson is going to beat SMU, and then depending on the trash they get from the Big 10 or secsecsec, they're going straight into the quarter finals and maybe the semi finals. Guaranteed wins: Indiana, PedoState, Boise, ASU/ISU/BYU/Big 12, Notre Dame, Bama, Tenn. Probable wins: THEE Ohio State, Ole Miss. 

And all the newly minted secsecsec weirdos in this thread are going to freak out, but but but Clemson sucks, which is true, so what does that say about your two super conferences and this NFL Lite playoff of mediocrity 

Clemson might get seeded 12. They aren't beating the 5 seed. Their offense is beyond trash. There's a good chance they lose to SMU and their running QB

Edited December 6 by Hermanator

[HOOKEM4 5,142]

4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I know I keep beating this dead horse, but it's crazy to me that it is getting absolutely no attention.  Everyone is focusing on the schedule, but outside of the Georgia game, nobody is appreciating the level of dominance this team has shown.

Colorado State - Never trailed

Michigan - Never trailed

UTSA - Never trailed

ULM - Never trailed

Mississippi State - Never trailed

Oklahoma - Trailed from 0:15 left in the 1st quarter until 11:20 left in the 2nd (scored TD next drive)

Vanderbilt - Trailed from 9:40 left in the 1st quarter until 5:37 left in the 1st (scored TD next drive)

Florida - Never trailed

Arkansas - Never trailed

Kentucky - Never trailed

aggy - Never trailed

Over the 11 games (660 minutes) besides Georgia, we have trailed for SEVEN MINUTES AND 58 SECONDS.  Both times where we saw the other team score first, we immediately went and scored a touchdown and never looked back.  Do we appreciate how fucking insane this is?  

In a year full of upsets, taking care of business from the opening kickoff over and over and over again has to mean something.

The thing that really gets me and is the most obvious this year, there is nobody worth a shit in the traditional sense. Parity across all leagues. There are no dominate teams. Texas is as close as you will get. Pre transfer portal vs post. This year will be the norm. A bunch of teams capable of winning on any given Saturday. Through that all Texas lost one game and has a chance to make it right. They are elite and I believe the days of runaway teams with all the best players are behind us.

[Funk Doctor Spock 13,043]

On 12/4/2024 at 7:31 PM, Zeus said:

Florida state 2.0

 hope they throw a big ole titty baby fit and all the recruits keep coming to Florida

Miami got a good rental QB, but Cristobal is who he is. He's a shit coach, but a good recruiter. Nothing else. He's average at best, and I'm being generous. He'll go back to 5-7/6-6 by next year. That defense they're trotting out there is not going to be fixed in one season. 

Edited December 6 by Funk Doctor Spock

[Beau Vine 55,625]

3 hours ago, Hermanator said:

I've said it all along. If they want fair they'll source about 100 different models all with varying weighting of variables. Fill in the data as the season goes on, then on the Sunday after conference title games they run the whole thing, drop the top 10 and bottom 10 percent outliers, and average it all out. Boom... Minimally biased 12 team playoff. As minimally biased as it gets. 

They'll never give up the ability to seed for matchups and TV ratings, and that's why it'll never happen. The NCAA and CFB loves people being pissed. It keeps them watching, and now 90 percent of the football watching world will watch just to see Alabama lose if they feel they got preferred treatment. It creates a great heel to boost ratings even more. 

NCAA hockey is pretty amazing because the selection committee basically uses a widely-available fairly-simple metric to seed playoff teams, so the guys on the the main NCAA hockey website do a bracketology thing that almost always turns out to be 100% accurate and no one really complains much.  

Edited December 6 by Beau Vine

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 3,496]

3 hours ago, MrX said:

Miami getting left out this year isn’t nearly as controversial as Florida State getting left out last year. Hilarious. 

[F250 29,121]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

NCAA hockey is pretty amazing because the selection committee basically uses a widely-available fairly-simple metric to seed playoff teams, so the guys on the the main NCAA hockey website do a bracketology thing that almost always turns out to be 100% accurate and no one really complains much.  

That sounds boring.

[dcar00 14,867]

The BCS Computers would have SCAR at 12 and Bama at 11 this week.  Miami 13, Big 12 out.  Womp Womp.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/rankings/college-football-rankings-bcs-top-25-bracket-projection

 

[Beau Vine 55,625]

4 minutes ago, F250 said:

That sounds boring.

If you want to be like aggy and bitch about who would have won which hypothetical game, it is very boring.  

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

So it looks like prevailing opinion is that if we lose, we will drop to the 5 seed (not the 6) and get a home game against the worst opponent in the playoff, followed by the QF against the Big 12/ACC/Boise State. 

 

If we win, the consensus opinion is that Georgia will be the 7 seed and play Indiana at home and then we rematch them at the Sugar Bowl in LA. So we would play them in back to back games. 

 

It seems kind of dumb to me that our prospects of making the CFP SF are better on a loss than a win in the SEC championship this weekend. 

Edited December 6 by The_Great_Hornsby

[Hank_Hill 19,487]

Pretty easy for the committee to make that problem go away. 

[UTGrad98 2,331]

Yea I think if we win and are a 2 seed, Georgia will be an 8 seed on the other side of the bracket. If we win and Penn st wins and we get the 1 seed, Georgia will get the 7 seed. 

[ztejas 44,095]

8 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

NCAA hockey is pretty amazing because the selection committee basically uses a widely-available fairly-simple metric to seed playoff teams, so the guys on the the main NCAA hockey website do a bracketology thing that almost always turns out to be 100% accurate and no one really complains much.  

Yeah but that's a bunch of white guys. 

[BurntOrange&White 41,354]

I HIGHLY doubt a 3 loss team is hosting a playoff game.

[The_Great_Hornsby 3,585]

4 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Pretty easy for the committee to make that problem go away. 

Okay, I guess the bigger point would be that they would have to then give us Ohio State. So either way a harder road. But I would much prefer Ohio State over UGA .

[Js1 86,391]

How can anyone have a "consensus opinion" on what the committee will do? Their ranking metrics and justifications change year to year and week to week. 

They will move teams up/down to create the matchups that generate the most eyeballs.  I do not think a third Texas-Georgia matchup will create the viewership that a Texas-Tennessee or Texas-Ohio State matchup will. 

Heck, a close Georgia loss to Texas and a close PSU loss to Oregon and Notre Dame might get knocked down into the 7 seed to try to get a Texas-ND matchup. 

Easiest for them to do, based on the current bracket, would be reshuffle 7/8/9/10 so you don't create potential rematches with Texas-Georgia and Oregon-Ohio State in the second round.  You know the committee would be dying for Oregon-Georgia and Texas-Ohio State or Texas-Tennessee.  Those are eyeball matchups with storylines galore. 

And we all know from experience that NCAA committees LOVE storyline matchups. 

Kirby vs. Lanning - the mentor and the mentee
Sark vs. Day - offensive genius matchups 
Texas vs. Tenn - battle of the UT and was not a regular season matchup
Oregon vs. Indiana - was not a regular season matchup 

Could easily end up seeing

7 Ohio State
10 Tennessee

8 Georgia
9 Indiana

Edited December 6 by Js1

[closetojumping 64,756]

10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

How can anyone have a "consensus opinion" on what the committee will do? Their ranking metrics and justifications change year to year and week to week. 

They will move teams up/down to create the matchups that generate the most eyeballs.  I do not think a third Texas-Georgia matchup will create the viewership that a Texas-Tennessee or Texas-Ohio State matchup will. 

Heck, a close Georgia loss to Texas and a close PSU loss to Oregon and Notre Dame might get knocked down into the 7 seed to try to get a Texas-ND matchup. 

Easiest for them to do, based on the current bracket, would be reshuffle 7/8/9/10 so you don't create potential rematches with Texas-Georgia and Oregon-Ohio State in the second round.  You know the committee would be dying for Oregon-Georgia and Texas-Ohio State or Texas-Tennessee.  Those are eyeball matchups with storylines galore. 

And we all know from experience that NCAA committees LOVE storyline matchups. 

Kirby vs. Lanning - the mentor and the mentee
Sark vs. Day - offensive genius matchups 
Texas vs. Tenn - battle of the UT and was not a regular season matchup
Oregon vs. Indiana - was not a regular season matchup 

Could easily end up seeing

7 Ohio State
10 Tennessee

8 Georgia
9 Indiana

On top of everything else, a 3 loss team hosting a playoff game at home would just be utter bullshit. 

[Hermanator 7,519]

21 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

We can shut all that talk up Saturday at 6:30p

Hope you realize the game is at 3 central

[Js1 86,391]

Just now, closetojumping said:

On top of everything else, a 3 loss team hosting a playoff game at home would just be utter bullshit. 

Yeah they could also just flip Indiana-Georgia to avoid a 3 loss team hosting a playoff game. But they may be hesitant to have PSU, Indiana, ND and Ohio State all hosting games in December with weather concerns 

[Hermanator 7,519]

They could justify it by saying it's a regular season 2 loss team that played for it's conference title while the other team did not. 

[Js1 86,391]

Right, they’ll justify it however they want because it’s their call. It’s not just matchups based on résumés, it’s viewership, attendance, weather, etc. 

[closetojumping 64,756]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah they could also just flip Indiana-Georgia to avoid a 3 loss team hosting a playoff game. But they may be hesitant to have PSU, Indiana, ND and Ohio State all hosting games in December with weather concerns 

Oh, I’m sure they’d do it and use whatever reasons they want to justify it. I  hope it comes to that. It’s just dumb though. 

[BurntOrange&White 41,354]

 

 

[dcar00 14,867]

15 hours ago, ztejas said:

Hey look another one!

The current CCG and bye situation is stupid but I think there for sure should be an autobid for each P4 winner. Idk about the 5th autobid and I'd be in favor of reseeding 1-12  after CCGs. There isn't enough crossover between conferences to say "well the B12 should just not get a team in". And then you make that entire conference slate meaningless. 

Like why the fuck are we doing 12 teams if the B12 or ACC winner doesn't even get a spot? If they really suck and don't belong then they'll get blasted in the CFP and we don't have to worry about it. 

But - I'm guessing what happens more often than not - is you have an ISU or ASU get in and then look pretty salty or upset somebody. I mean we only have 70 years or whatever of surprising postseason or bowl results to go off of. 

If you have an issue with the B12 or ACC getting 1 of 12 teams in every year then fuck off and go watch the NFL. 

everyone(who isn't an idiot) is fine with conf champ auto bid, but then the CFP decided to get cute.  hell, If I really want to win the championship and I don't get a home playoff game, I might want the 12 seed over the 9,10,11.  I could play the 5, 10, 9.

ASU looks like a pretty salty team.  There will be upsets.  

[HookEm 2,484]

14 hours ago, Hermanator said:

I've said it all along. If they want fair they'll source about 100 different models all with varying weighting of variables. Fill in the data as the season goes on, then on the Sunday after conference title games they run the whole thing, drop the top 10 and bottom 10 percent outliers, and average it all out. Boom... Minimally biased 12 team playoff. As minimally biased as it gets. 

Massey has exactly this data:

Computer Composite Ranking

Here is what the composite looks like if you eliminate the high and low 10% models for each team:

There is a lot of talk about "helmets" and conference bias, but crowd sourcing the computer models eliminates almost all of that.  And surprise, the unbiased composite model is actually pretty close to the CFP rankings.  Alabama is above Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Miami.  

The highlighted teams still have games to play.  If Army beats Tulane and UNLV beats Boise, I'm not CERTAIN that Army will be below UNLV in this model. They are very close as it stands. Unfortunately, Army will play #52 Navy after the CFP brackets have been announced. What a stupid decision that was.  

 

[Crockett 515]

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

everyone(who isn't an idiot) is fine with conf champ auto bid, but then the CFP decided to get cute.  hell, If I really want to win the championship and I don't get a home playoff game, I might want the 12 seed over the 9,10,11.  I could play the 5, 10, 9.

ASU looks like a pretty salty team.  There will be upsets.  

Can confirm