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2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

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I'd rather stay behind Georgia until they come to Austin.  Same way I felt about being behind SC in 05.  I'd rather have something to prove than something to defend.

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You say a lot of stupid shit and you do it at a rapid, voluminous rate. You’re like a shit howitzer, just fucking blasting the board with constant bullshit. 

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I haven't looked into the playoffs a lot, as I didn't want to get ahead of myself, but jebbus h christ, these playoffs are dumb. In projected cfp scenarios, if we win, we'd play the Georgia / Indiana winner in round 2. Oregon would play OSU / Tennessee winner. Meanwhile, ND would play High Tide for the chance to play Boise St? The fuck? And Penn State would play Clempson / SMU to play Iowa State? What kind of bullshit is this? It seems like it'd be better if we lost tomorrow. (I don't want us to, obviously.) 

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7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

my wish is for domer to draw indiana

since 1959 they've played once in 1991

At least through the Bobby Knight era, the deal was that we would play them in football if they would schedule us in basketball.  

 

It would make for a great playoff game in South Bend.  

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I haven't looked into the playoffs a lot, as I didn't want to get ahead of myself, but jebbus h christ, these playoffs are dumb. In projected cfp scenarios, if we win, we'd play the Georgia / Indiana winner in round 2. Oregon would play OSU / Tennessee winner. Meanwhile, ND would play High Tide for the chance to play Boise St? The fuck? And Penn State would play Clempson / SMU to play Iowa State? What kind of bullshit is this? It seems like it'd be better if we lost tomorrow. (I don't want us to, obviously.) 

First of all, it is hugely important to win the Conference Championship.

Secondly, it is highly unlikely that Iowa State gets a bye. Not sure why you have them plugged in.
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26 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Is Penn State really going to be ranked ahead of Ohio State if they lose today? They will have identical records and a head to head loss. If Oregon really puts it on them, you also compare that to OSU losing a tight game on the road vs a blowout at a neutral site. 

So you think that Penn St making the CCG means nothing?

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So you think that Penn St making the CCG means nothing?

When it's only because they didn't play anyone but Ohio State in the regular season, yeah. If the tiebreakers had us with a rematch against A&M today and we somehow lost (don't laugh it's a hypothetical) it would be completely justified for 10-2 Georgia to be ahead of 11-2 Texas. They won at our place, same as Ohio State at Penn State. 

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16 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

When it's only because they didn't play anyone but Ohio State in the regular season, yeah. If the tiebreakers had us with a rematch against A&M today and we somehow lost (don't laugh it's a hypothetical) it would be completely justified for 10-2 Georgia to be ahead of 11-2 Texas. They won at our place, same as Ohio State at Penn State. 

Maybe Ohio St shouldn't lose to a shitty Michigan team.

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54 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Is Penn State really going to be ranked ahead of Ohio State if they lose today? They will have identical records and a head to head loss. If Oregon really puts it on them, you also compare that to OSU losing a tight game on the road vs a blowout at a neutral site. 

Records wouldn't be identical. Osu would be 10-2, psu would be 11-2.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Maybe Ohio St shouldn't lose to a shitty Michigan team.

Maybe they shouldn’t have had to play them at all like Penn State? And maybe Peen State should have a better non conference slate than West Virginia, Kent State and Bowling Green (who actually gave them a game)? Or barely squeak by Minnesota or get taken to overtime by USC? Penn State has a shit resume. They could rectify it by playing well or god forbid actually winning a top 10 matchup for once in their pathetic recent history.

But if I’m looking at those two teams with identical records, one of them has a head to head win, and played their best common opponent much better than the other on the road? I’m having a difficult time slotting Penn State ahead of them just because Ohio State had a terrible day in a rivalry game against the defending national champs. 

8 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

Records wouldn't be identical. Osu would be 10-2, psu would be 11-2.

Good point. But still…

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Maybe Ohio St shouldn't lose to a shitty Michigan team.

Maybe Texas shouldn't have lost to a shitty Texas Tech team in 2008. See how that works? 

Also, do you mean the Michigan team that Penn State didn't have to play? The schedules are too unbalanced with the current conference setups. In this scenario Penn State loses to the same team Ohio State did and also lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to a team Penn State didn't even have to play. This is an easy decision. 

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2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Maybe Texas shouldn't have lost to a shitty Texas Tech team in 2008. See how that works? 

Also, do you mean the Michigan team that Penn State didn't have to play? 

It’s true we shouldn’t have. A CCG is a plus data point to the committee and therefore if Penn state does lose they should be ahead of Ohio state because of the CCG appearance. It’s pretty cut and dry. 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s true we shouldn’t have. A CCG is a plus data point to the committee and therefore if Penn state does lose they should be ahead of Ohio state because of the CCG appearance. It’s pretty cut and dry. 

Tell that to SMU if they lose to Clemson and get jumped by Bama. 

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11 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding strength of schedule, I took the CFP rankings (1-12, and didn't go any farther) and looked at W-L vs strength of schedule, both by Sagarin and ESPN (and the average of the two).

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A couple of things stand out:

-- of the 1-loss teams, their relative order makes sense when one considers strength of schedule SOS

-- of the 2-loss teams, same

 

I can't say (for instance) whether the best 2-loss team should be above any 1-loss teams, but it does make sense that we're above PSU, ND, SMU, IU and Boise State (and that internal order should prevail as well).  The same goes for UGA above tOSU, UTenn and Miami, in order.

 

It is Interesting how much more the ESPN SOS values of PSU and OSU

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1 hour ago, Magus Ossis said:

Trying to decide who should be ranked higher in these situations is analogous to arguing over what the top floor is in an Escher work.

Yeah there’s no point in arguing really, it’s going to be arranged to make the most money then sell the reasons after. 
 

Who fucking cares, as a Florida and Texas fan, my teams will always get that benefit of doubt over other squads. I’m glad it’s arranged like this. 

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I think the change to the bye situation people are complaining about should be a compromise where they guarantee a top 8 seed to the top 4 conference champs instead of a bye. They should be guaranteed a bye or first round home game. 

Just no whining when Notre Dame gets a bye without beating any great teams and after losing to Northern Illinois. Based on last week's rankings that would be

#1 Oregon versus winner of #9 Tennessee @ #8 Boise State

#4  Notre Dame versus winner of #12 Arizona State @ #5 Georgia

#2 Texas versus winner of #10 Indiana @ #7 SMU

#3 Penn State versus winner of #11 Alabama @ #6 Ohio State

(Top 4 conference champs in bold, 5th conference champ with only a guaranteed berth in italics) 

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I haven't looked into the playoffs a lot, as I didn't want to get ahead of myself, but jebbus h christ, these playoffs are dumb. In projected cfp scenarios, if we win, we'd play the Georgia / Indiana winner in round 2. Oregon would play OSU / Tennessee winner. Meanwhile, ND would play High Tide for the chance to play Boise St? The fuck? And Penn State would play Clempson / SMU to play Iowa State? What kind of bullshit is this? It seems like it'd be better if we lost tomorrow. (I don't want us to, obviously.) 

Well, he’s a jets fan, so!
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6 hours ago, LonghornSean said:

KFord guess at the remaining scenarios. Of course we know the committee can still do whatever they want.

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Interesting that they have Texas and PSU staying ahead of ND with a loss, UGA ahead of tOSU, and SMU ahead of Bama. They're basically taking the approach that CCG losses won't be penalized. I'm not so sure that'll be the case even though it should.

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5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Also, do you mean the Michigan team that Penn State didn't have to play? The schedules are too unbalanced with the current conference setups. In this scenario Penn State loses to the same team Ohio State did and also lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to a team Penn State didn't even have to play. This is an easy decision. 

 

Can't they both just fuck off instead? Everybody wins.

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

I think the change to the bye situation people are complaining about should be a compromise where they guarantee a top 8 seed to the top 4 conference champs instead of a bye. They should be guaranteed a bye or first round home game. 

Just no whining when Notre Dame gets a bye without beating any great teams and after losing to Northern Illinois. Based on last week's rankings that would be

#1 Oregon versus winner of #9 Tennessee @ #8 Boise State

#4  Notre Dame versus winner of #12 Arizona State @ #5 Georgia

#2 Texas versus winner of #10 Indiana @ #7 SMU

#3 Penn State versus winner of #11 Alabama @ #6 Ohio State

(Top 4 conference champs in bold, 5th conference champ with only a guaranteed berth in italics) 

That's decent. I like the Conference Champs being guaranteed a spot in the playoffs.  Just not a Top 4 seed. If you say "Top 8 only" they're guaranteed a home game OR a BYE.  That works.

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6 hours ago, LonghornSean said:

KFord guess at the remaining scenarios. Of course we know the committee can still do whatever they want.

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God it would be so stupid if we play back to back games against UGA for a 3rd game. I hope Warde is willing to go against what he said to make OSU Tenn the 7/10 matchup if we win today.

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22 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

Interesting that they have Texas and PSU staying ahead of ND with a loss, UGA ahead of tOSU, and SMU ahead of Bama. They're basically taking the approach that CCG losses won't be penalized. I'm not so sure that'll be the case even though it should.

Notre Dame with a loss to NIU will be behind Texas with 2 losses to UGA. Unless we get blown out or something. 

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