2024 CFB polls/rankings - Texas #3/ #4 /#4 (CFP/AP/Coaches)

[satyanash 15547]

fuckin Orlovsky has us as the eight seed

[jimmyjazz 47123]

2 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Can someone answer why the selection committee would give a fuck about Beck's arm when Georgia appeared to be a better team without him?

My thinking exactly.  Stockton did throw an interception but he also completed 75% of his passes and had a (slightly) higher QBR.  I'm not seeing a dropoff.

[immamac 44312]

2 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Can someone answer why the selection committee would give a fuck about Beck's arm when Georgia appeared to be a better team without him?

Georgia didn't look any better without him. You guys are crazy that backup was ass - just because PK didn't playcall accordingly doesn't mean he was good. He was terrible. 

[dcar00 14946]

15 minutes ago, satyanash said:

 

They sooooo want ND to get the sweet 5 seed.  It is hilarious.

[mdmost 43936]

3 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Can someone answer why the selection committee would give a fuck about Beck's arm when Georgia appeared to be a better team without him?

Because FSU fans want another cross to martyr themselves on. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3593]

1 minute ago, satyanash said:

fuckin Orlovsky has us as the eight seed

I dont care. Tell me Vegas odds, you know, the people who are betting money and not saying shit for clicks and views. 

[immamac 44312]

Locking thread at 11 for a bit. Move to the right thread stickied. 

[Nueces River Rat 5794]

Good fricken grief.  Watching the BJ’s Norte Dame is now getting on the pre selection show on ESPN 2. 

Norte Dame almost always gets trucked in the post season whether it’s a bowl or playoff.

 

 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3593]

4 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Can someone answer why the selection committee would give a fuck about Beck's arm when Georgia appeared to be a better team without him?

They dont. End of story. It is irrelevant. 

[Pancho 46258]

2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

fuckin Orlovsky has us as the eight seed

 

Yup because of the offense (and 2 losses to UGA)

[The_Great_Hornsby 3593]

Just now, Pancho said:

 

Yup because of the offense (and 2 losses to UGA)

2 losses to the #2 team in the country, one of them in OT, say it aint so. 

[Noozak 416]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Georgia didn't look any better without him. You guys are crazy that backup was ass - just because PK didn't playcall accordingly doesn't mean he was good. He was terrible. 

his completion stats were mega inflated by rb passes and shit. He tried to lay the boom several times and ended the game concussed. He is an idiot and didn’t really do anything great

[Nueces River Rat 5794]

3 minutes ago, satyanash said:

fuckin Orlovsky has us as the eight seed

And the other commentators are looking at him like he’s a fool.   Even Mullens who is kind one of our haters himself.  

[MIkeHoncho 2019]

All 3 other talking heads had to stifle laughter at orlovsky's last "point".  What a fucking moron.  Texas hammered Michigan at their place.  Michigan beat fOSU at the shoe.  Argument over. 

[notre dame joe 205]

11 hours ago, dcar00 said:

They sooooo want ND to get the sweet 5 seed.  It is hilarious.

We were ahead of Penn State in every computer and behind them in most every human poll.

11 hours ago, Noozak said:

his completion stats were mega inflated by rb passes and shit. He tried to lay the boom several times and ended the game concussed. He is an idiot and didn’t really do anything great

I was wondering if I am the only one that thought UGA is upgrading their qb.

[dcar00 14946]

3 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

We were ahead of Penn State in every computer and behind them in most every human poll.

They eye test is a cruel bitch

[The_Great_Hornsby 3593]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

They eye test is a cruel bitch

Losing to Northern Illinois and then playing literally 0 marquee games for the rest of the season is a cruel bitch. Nobody cared what they did to Virginia, USC, and Army

[jimmyjazz 47123]

7 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

We were ahead of Penn State in every computer and behind them in most every human poll.

I'm a big fan of the concept of computer rankings -- I develop and run computer analysis of physical systems for a living -- but as of yet I can't say I've seen computer models pass every sniff test.  Sagarin has ND at #1.  I mean, that's fucking ridiculous.  If I were Sagarin, I would look at a result like that and ask "where is the flaw in my model?  There is no way a 1-loss ND with a best win over A&M and a loss to Northern Illinois is better than an undefeated Oregon team with a win over Ohio State."

[Iceman 2978]

20 hours ago, dcar00 said:

They sooooo want ND to get the sweet 5 seed.  It is hilarious.

I couldn't believe the ND-Hickory matchup came to fruition.

[BurntOrange&White 41842]

 

Just leaving this in this thread cause seems most appropriate. 

3/4 of those are in same side of bracket. 

 

[HookEm 2509]

16 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm a big fan of the concept of computer rankings -- I develop and run computer analysis of physical systems for a living -- but as of yet I can't say I've seen computer models pass every sniff test.  Sagarin has ND at #1.  I mean, that's fucking ridiculous.  If I were Sagarin, I would look at a result like that and ask "where is the flaw in my model?  There is no way a 1-loss ND with a best win over A&M and a loss to Northern Illinois is better than an undefeated Oregon team with a win over Ohio State."

This is why I like the concept of crowd sourcing the computer models.  One model may emphasize one type of data, another emphasize another. But if you have 50 computer models, then combined they will use all possible data to some degree. And if one uses an obscure method, then it will be only a small fraction of the overall rating. 

[satyanash 15547]

Still complaining about Texas' resume 🙄 

 

[Iceman 2978]

How good are their losses?

[The Dog 44853]

Byrne got community noted:

[mdmost 43936]

11 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Still complaining about Texas' resume 🙄 

 

Klatt is just sticking up for his employer's chosen conference. He's been blowing Texas all year. Now, he's got to put on his outraged Big 10 hat. The most amusing part is Texas never shys from playing a tough schedule. We purposefully allowed our game with Michigan to shift to playing there first to accommodate his f'ing employer. And of course to get the fuck out of the Big 12 faster. 

[The Dog 44853]

16 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Still complaining about Texas' resume 🙄 

 

to answer his question: NO

Losses count, too, and Ohio State has a TERRIBLE one at home.

[MrX 803]

Texas:  Pushed in Michigan’s shit in Ann Arbor, made conference title game in best conference, took a second loss while Ohio State had its tiny dick in its hand at home. 
 

Ohio State:  Lost to Michigan at home, touches itself at night. 
 

Analysis over. 

[jimmyjazz 47123]

4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Just leaving this in this thread cause seems most appropriate. 

3/4 of those are in same side of bracket. 

Well, "fair" would be 2/2, so it's a little off, but it's a pretty minor discrepancy.

[notre dame joe 205]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:27 PM, jimmyjazz said:

I'm a big fan of the concept of computer rankings -- I develop and run computer analysis of physical systems for a living -- but as of yet I can't say I've seen computer models pass every sniff test.  Sagarin has ND at #1.  I mean, that's fucking ridiculous.  If I were Sagarin, I would look at a result like that and ask "where is the flaw in my model?  There is no way a 1-loss ND with a best win over A&M and a loss to Northern Illinois is better than an undefeated Oregon team with a win over Ohio State."

My favorite was 2012 when the computers ranked us above Alabama; same record but we lost to a better team. 

[Valmy77 13625]

16 hours ago, The Dog said:

to answer his question: NO

Losses count, too, and Ohio State has a TERRIBLE one at home.

Fortunately in a playoff situation, Ohio State has the ability to prove they are better than us on the field. Not some on paper resume shit.

Glad we are not longer ranking teams like one might apply for a job.

[sidis 10013]

8 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

My favorite was 2012 when the computers ranked us above Alabama; same record but we lost to a better team. 

"lost" is being exceedingly charitable my friend. i think tcu in '22 is the only thing you're looking down at.

also, if you are saying they had the same record going into the game, that's not right. bama had lost to manziel and notre was undefeated.

of course, notre had to vacate the entire season afterwards and ultimately finished 0-0.

Edited December 10 by sidis

[The Dog 44853]

[satyanash 15547]

Matt Hayes: College Football Playoff 'furious' and will investigate leak of SMU edging Alabama for last spot

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LAS VEGAS - The first 12-team College Football Playoff resulted in the first leak of a team chosen for the field. “I was furious,” CFP director Rich Clark said Tuesday to USA TODAY Sports. “I told all involved, you’ve betrayed the process.” Brett McMurphy of the Action Network posted on X (formerly known as Twitter) that SMU would be given the final at-large spot ahead of Alabama - 30 minutes before the Mustangs was revealed as the 11th seed in the playoff

The debate was the biggest decision by the 13-member selection committee, and created controversy before and after the selection. Never in the history of the College Football Playoff had a leak occurred, and Clark says there will be an investigation to determine how the information was leaked. “There are only a certain number of people who know,” Clark said. “ I know one thing, it wasn’t me. There’s the selection committee, ESPN and our staff. Someone in that group (is the leak).”

But finding who released the information will be a difficult process. Clark said he heard about the leak from his son Milo, who sent him a text prior to the release of SMU has the last team in. “He said, ‘Dad, what happened?’ I had no idea what he was talking about until I saw it,” Clark said. Clark was speaking Tuesday at the Sports Business Journal Intercollegiate athletics forum. On the big stage, he spoke about the process of how the committee reached its decision, including revealing that the committee will send ideas to the conference commissioner on how to make the playoff better.

Those ideas, however, don’t include absolute transparency. In other words, the specific weekly votes, by committee member, shouldn’t be revealed. Clark also believes the playoff should have multiple rankings shows, not just one show to announce the rankings. “We have to have enough (playoff shows) for transparency,” Clark said. “If we go just the last week, there's too much mystery to that. If we take it away and put one ranking out there, I think that's a big mistake." 

 

[bullet 1630]

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Matt Hayes: College Football Playoff 'furious' and will investigate leak of SMU edging Alabama for last spot

 

Having as many as they have and feeling like they need to defend prior ratings is a big mistake.  They don't need 6.  Things change  too much.

[troph 25197]

Nick saban was right, smu should not have been punished for losing the game instead it should have been a play-in game. The rankings were flawed to begin with. 

[cmontexas 3367]

Bama and Georgia doing all this whining about their schedule, apart from each other the big game on their schedule was Tennessee. 

In shaggys preseason playoff predictions, exactly one poster picked Tennessee to make the playoffs. It was me. And I don't even think Tennessee is that tough. They had an easy schedule making them look good

[TreatyOak 17331]

4 hours ago, satyanash said:

Matt Hayes: College Football Playoff 'furious' and will investigate leak of SMU edging Alabama for last spot

 This is as bad as week one when someone in the playoff committee leaked that Aggy had the Best Loss.

[Hank_Hill 19986]

6 hours ago, The Dog said:

Man, these have been consistently terrible.

[Sawbonz 28192]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:53 AM, jimmyjazz said:

My thinking exactly.  Stockton did throw an interception but he also completed 75% of his passes and had a (slightly) higher QBR.  I'm not seeing a dropoff.

There’s film on him now and 3 weeks to prepare. Plus he has to think about being the starter. Teams should sell out against the run. I don’t think they make the final

[ztejas 44223]

1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said:

Man, these have been consistently terrible.

Just like the experience of reading /r/cfb

[Voluminous Banality 1162]

On 12/10/2024 at 7:26 AM, satyanash said:

Still complaining about Texas' resume 🙄 

 

The "Texas hasn't beaten any top-25 teams" brigade is peddling bullshit.

Texas has the second-strongest SOS of all teams in the CFP.

Texas is #3 in the country in strength of record.

Texas is #1 in the country in game control.

Texas has 8 wins vs. bowl-eligible teams, most in the country.

Texas has beaten two top-25 teams--Aggy (#14 in combined FPI/SP+, #19 in Sagarin) and Florida (#22 in combined FPI/SP+, #20 in Sagarin).

Unranked teams that Texas defeated beat Ohio State, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Missouri, among others.

Michigan and Oklahoma are also fringe top-25 teams, depending which computer models are being used.

If one is using stupid, arbitrary criteria, one will get stupid results.

[Magus Ossis 2997]

And if we win out, in addition to that we will have beaten at least two of the P4 conference champions and possibly all 4.

[The Dog 44853]

[Hermanator 7652]

17 hours ago, bullet said:

Having as many as they have and feeling like they need to defend prior ratings is a big mistake.  They don't need 6.  Things change  too much.

There shouldn't be any preseason rankings at all. No preconceived notions based on teams that no longer exist, especially with the portal causing so much turnover every year. 

I don't think there need to be any rankings at all released until the final one, but there should be detailed notes taken along the way of how the committee reached their final ranking. Then release the playoff field and those notes all at once for total transparency. 

They need to announce the AP and coaches poll are absolutely meaningless and have zero bearing on anything. 

[JBJ 3816]

Bullet point thoughts:

- My model ended up predicting South Carolina to be the last team in (over SMU).  The teams everyone are talking about for the last spot were all really close.  There was no right choice or wrong here.

- Someone needs to decide whether we want a tournament of conferences and wildcards, a tournament of the best teams, or something in between.  The current system is the former and made more sense before the last round of realignment.

- Media and people keep double-speaking about teams ranked in the top 25 and the 25 best teams.  They will present the former as if it is the latter.  These are not the same thing and are not meant to be.

Edited December 11 by JBJ

[Chuckie Finster 23037]

16 hours ago, Voluminous Banality said:

The "Texas hasn't beaten any top-25 teams" brigade is peddling bullshit.

Texas has the second-strongest SOS of all teams in the CFP.

Texas is #3 in the country in strength of record.

Texas is #1 in the country in game control.

Texas has 8 wins vs. bowl-eligible teams, most in the country.

Texas has beaten two top-25 teams--Aggy (#14 in combined FPI/SP+, #19 in Sagarin) and Florida (#22 in combined FPI/SP+, #20 in Sagarin).

Unranked teams that Texas defeated beat Ohio State, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, and Missouri, among others.

Michigan and Oklahoma are also fringe top-25 teams, depending which computer models are being used.

If one is using stupid, arbitrary criteria, one will get stupid results.

Almost every pundit is essentially saying that Texas would have a "better" resume if they had beaten Georgia in the first matchup but lost to Arkansas, which is an absolutely insane conclusion.

[jimmyjazz 47123]

11 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Bullet point thoughts:

- My model ended up predicting South Carolina to be the last team in (over SMU).  The teams everyone are talking about for the last spot were all really close.  There was no right choice or wrong here.

- Someone needs to decide whether we want a tournament of conferences and wildcards, a tournament of the best teams, or something in between.  The current system is the former and made more sense before the last round of realignment.

- Media and people keep double-speaking about teams ranked in the top 25 and the 25 best teams.  They will present the former as if it is the latter.  These are not the same thing and are not meant to be.

I heard some mouthbreather yapping at Pawl Finebaum the other day about "THESE AREN'T THE BEST 12 TEAMS!!!".

No shit.  Look at the way the playoff is constructed.  There is absolutely no concern about getting the top 12 teams. 

[Huckleberry 34578]

Here are the fields for each season if the CFP had started with the current format. Please note that as I've mentioned before, the problem isn't this setup, it's the stupid super conferences. Every playoff before this year would have been awesome with very few stupid byes, etc. 

2014:

1. Alabama
9. Mississippi @ 8. Michigan St.

4. Ohio St.
12. Georgia Tech @ 5. Baylor

2. Oregon
10. Arizona @ 7. Mississippi St.

3. Florida St.
11. Kansas St. @ 6. TCU

2015:

1. Clemson
9. Florida St. @ 8. Notre Dame

4. Oklahoma
12. Mississippi @ 5. Iowa

2. Alabama
10. North Carolina @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Michigan St.
11. TCU @ 6. Stanford

2016:

1. Alabama
9. Southern Cal @ 8. Wisconsin

4. Penn St.
12. Oklahoma St. @ 5. Ohio St.

2. Clemson
10. Colorado @ 7. Oklahoma

3. Washington
11. Florida St. @ 6. Michigan

2017:

1. Clemson
9. Penn St. @ 8. Southern Cal

4. Ohio St.
12. UCF @ 5. Alabama

2. Oklahoma
10. Miami (FL) @ 7. Auburn

3. Georgia
11. Washington @ 6. Wisconsin

2018:

1. Alabama
9. Washington @ 8. UCF

4. Ohio St.
12. Penn St. @ 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson
10. Florida @ 7. Michigan

3. Oklahoma
11. LSU @ 6. Georgia

2019:

1. LSU
9. Florida @ 8. Wisconsin

4. Oklahoma
12. Auburn @ 5. Georgia

2. Ohio St.
10. Penn St. @ 7. Baylor

3. Clemson
11. Utah @ 6. Oregon

2020:

1. Alabama
9. Georgia @ 8. Cincinnati

4. Oklahoma
12. Coastal Carolina @ 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson
10. Iowa St. @ 7. Florida

3. Ohio St.
11. Indiana @ 6. Texas A&M

2021:

1. Alabama
9. Oklahoma St. @ 8. Mississippi

4. Baylor
12. Pittsburgh @ 5. Georgia

2. Michigan
10. Michigan St. @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Cincinnati
11. Utah @ 6. Notre Dame

2022:

1. Georgia
9. Kansas St. @ 8. Tennessee

4. Utah
12. Washington @ 5. TCU

2. Michigan St.
10. Southern Cal @ 7. Alabama

3. Clemson
11. Penn St. @ 6. Ohio St.

2023:

1. Michigan
9. Missouri @ 8. Oregon

4. Alabama
12. Oklahoma @ 5. Florida St.

2. Washington
10. Penn St. @ 7. Ohio St.

3. Texas
11. Mississippi @ 6. Georgia

2024:

1. Oregon
9. Tennessee @ 8. Ohio St.

4. Arizona St.
12. Clemson @ 5. Texas

2. Georgia
10. Indiana @ 7. Notre Dame

3. Boise St.
11. SMU @ 6. Penn St.

Total hypothetical appearances 2014-2024

11 -
Ohio St.

9-
Alabama

8-
Clemson, Georgia

7-
Oklahoma, Penn St.

5-
Notre Dame, Washington

4-
Florida St., Michigan, Michigan St., Mississippi

3-
Baylor, Florida, Southern Cal, , TCU, Utah, Wisconsin

2-
Auburn, Cincinnati, Indiana, Kansas St., LSU, Oklahoma St., Tennessee, Texas, UCF

1-
Arizona, Arizona St., Boise St., Coastal Carolina, Colorado, Georgia Tech ,Iowa ,Iowa St. ,Miami (FL) ,Mississippi St. ,Missouri ,North Carolina ,Pittsburgh ,SMU ,Stanford, Texas A&M

Edited December 12 by Huckleberry

[BurntOrange&White 41842]

22 hours ago, The Dog said:

Kent St only lead for a grand total of like 8 or so minutes this entire season.

Edited December 12 by BurntOrange&White