Captain Picard is back

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1 minute ago, Buzzrock said:

How did he become an android?

They transferred his memories/personality to a new android, and they were able to make it age-appropriate, so rather than sticking a very elderly man in the body of a 20-something android so that he could continue to be productive for decades to come, and so the fancy expensive android wouldn't be a waste, they made the android so that he would continue aging at his natural pace.  So maybe good for another 20-30 years.

One of the dumbest fucking things in Picard, more so than Legolas.

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4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They transferred his memories/personality to a new android, and they were able to make it age-appropriate, so rather than sticking a very elderly man in the body of a 20-something android so that he could continue to be productive for decades to come, and so the fancy expensive android wouldn't be a waste, they made the android so that he would continue aging at his natural pace.  So maybe good for another 20-30 years.

One of the dumbest fucking things in Picard, more so than Legolas.

No.  The dumbest fucking thing in Picard was season 2, where the Borg know in 2023 that they're gonna hafta team up with Starfleet on 2400 (or whatever) but spend a decade in between trying to wipe Starfleet out.  THAT is the dumbest fucking thing in Picard.

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That was JuratiBorg’s offshoot. Not all of them 

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The close-ups of Beverly Crusher's face aren't needed.

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Well, it's a new face for sure. 

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"Engage!" 

 

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Episode 2.  Not good.

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So Picard is retired and has no actual rank...until th wants to override Captain Sourpuss.  Then he says, "Admiral's orders!!!" and everone obeys?  

 

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

Episode 2.  Not good.

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So Picard is retired and has no actual rank...until th wants to override Captain Sourpuss.  Then he says, "Admiral's orders!!!" and everone obeys?  

 

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I'm pretty ok with that. Picard is a legend, he knows the crew will probably just follow his orders on reflex. The bad part is him having a son he didn't know about with Beverly Crusher who he hasn't talked to in what, 20 years? What?

 

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They can't pass that actor off as being 20 years old. It has to be something else. I did wonder if they might try to say she gave birth during that season of TNG when she was gone. That was like 1988 our time, so her kid would be roughly 35. 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

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They can't pass that actor off as being 20 years old. It has to be something else. I did wonder if they might try to say she gave birth during that season of TNG when she was gone. That was like 1988 our time, so her kid would be roughly 35. 

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So can I ask, how how old is Jack supposed to be?

23, 24, I think we’ve discussed in the in the series.

And you’re 34?

Yes.

 

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So can I ask, how how old is Jack supposed to be?

23, 24, I think we’ve discussed in the in the series.

And you’re 34?

Yes.

 

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I sense deception. 

 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

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I sense deception. 

 

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24/25 lines up with the time between Insurrection and Nemesis.  The Baku planet made them frisky I guess 

 

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That was  good episode.

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They did a lot with Worf's character in DS9, but left SO much on the table.  Now we're getting it.

"I'm, as humans say, working on myself."

"It is not warrior gear...it is...casual."

 

 

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2 hours ago, Parliament said:

That was  good episode.

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They did a lot with Worf's character in DS9, but left SO much on the table.  Now we're getting it.

"I'm, as humans say, working on myself."

"It is not warrior gear...it is...casual."

 

 

Yeah that was a good episode 

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I just finished watching the first season of Strange New Worlds and it's so striking how much better that show is than how the first 2 seasons of Picard were. I hope this season turns it around.

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9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I just finished watching the first season of Strange New Worlds and it's so striking how much better that show is than how the first 2 seasons of Picard were.

SNW really did feel like the Roddenberry-era, specifically TOS.

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"Shit, wait a minute, am I on mute, it's Beverly, can you hear me?"

 

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The idea that S3 could have been Picard finding out he's never left the Nexus, and that everybody he cares about is in the Nexus with him, except for Wesley, who wasn't invited, would have been so fucking amazing.

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The idea that S3 could have been Picard finding out he's never left the Nexus, and that everybody he cares about is in the Nexus with him, except for Wesley, who wasn't invited, would have been so fucking amazing.

Hits close to home bc I’m literally watching Generations right now 

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The idea that S3 could have been Picard finding out he's never left the Nexus, and that everybody he cares about is in the Nexus with him, except for Wesley, who wasn't invited, would have been so fucking amazing.

Idk the immortal milf hasn't shown up (yet)

Also that was a really good episode

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Also, can we talk about Worf? His look and vibe are the best it's ever been so far, in my opinion. He might actually make Raffi's character arc worth a shit.

 

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Think I missed the pregnancy timeline explanation. She said "Remember just before I left the Enterprise". That would be just after the events of Nemesis?

Also, Riker was right. Good lord, don't try to bow up and fight that thing. Hide as long as you can. 

 

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Kudos to keeping up with the timeline accuracy.

Plug and chug.

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26 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

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Also, can we talk about Worf? His look and vibe are the best it's ever been so far, in my opinion. He might actually make Raffi's character arc worth a shit.

 

Buddy cops fighting enemies of the federation? Now THAT is the Section 31 show we deserve 

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B+ grade thus far. Much much better than seasons one and two.

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Several First Contact call backs. The theme music for sure, but also Worf practicing with Berlioz's Les Troyens opera playing in the background. 
 

The season, so far, has a lot of STII Wrath of Khan to it. Main character dealing with aging, finds he has a son he's never met, goes into a capital ship battle in a nebula....too many similarities. Almost as bad as Nemesis stealing the plot of Khan. 
 

It's still good for Trek, but I want more. I'm enjoying it, but R5 is right, B to B+. 

 

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21 hours ago, Js1 said:

Hits close to home bc I’m literally watching Generations right now 

I'm getting a bit of a yearning to go back and watch this, it's been many years since I watched it from start-to-finish.  Has it held up well?

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm getting a bit of a yearning to go back and watch this, it's been many years since I watched it from start-to-finish.  Has it held up well?

Ehhh 

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8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Ehhh 

Outside of the top-tier movies, I've always felt that with a little better writing and editing, most of the medium/mediocre films have a good film buried inside of them.

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Even Insurrection?

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2 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Even Insurrection?

Dr. Beverly looks like she paid a visit to F. Murray Abraham's face workshop from that movie.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Dr. Beverly looks like she paid a visit to F. Murray Abraham's face workshop from that movie.

True but she's like 75 so I'll give her a pass

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This is real good so far 

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Episode 4

That was friggen good.  But since this is Surly, I do have a quibble:

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The holodeck has backup batteries so people can have a safe space when everything goes to pot?   Millennials, man.

But I'll allow it.  Show keeps getting better and we have 6 episodes left.

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"You're a dipshit from Chicago."

"Nice"

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"Will, did you just throw an asteroid?"

"You're goddamn right I did."

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Frakes directed Episodes 3 and 4.  Surprise, surprise.

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2 best lines in the episode, with Picard’s little smirk when he said that

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Also feels like Picard s3 could/should spin-off 2 different and distinct shows:

• Section 31 - procedural crime type of drama with buddy cops Raffi and Worf
• The New Next Generation on the Titan-A or a new Enterprise
  • Shaw
  • Seven
  • LaForge (both of them, the pilot daughter and the soon-to-appear engineer daughter)
  • Mura (Bajoran Tactical Officer)
  • T'Veen (science)
  • Haliian comms officer

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Shaw is the most interesting character on the show.  He's an insufferable ahole...but you kinda like him.

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11 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Shaw is the most interesting character on the show.  He's an insufferable ahole...but you kinda like him.

Why wouldn't you?

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His character arc is basically Sisko's - absolutely struggling with PTSD after Wolf 359.  Definitely an asshole, but we sympathize with what he has been through. 

 

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3 hours ago, Js1 said:

Also feels like Picard s3 could/should spin-off 2 different and distinct shows:

• Section 31 - procedural crime type of drama with buddy cops Raffi and Worf
• The New Next Generation on the Titan-A or a new Enterprise
  • Shaw
  • Seven
  • LaForge (both of them, the pilot daughter and the soon-to-appear engineer daughter)
  • Mura (Bajoran Tactical Officer)
  • T'Veen (science)
  • Haliian comms officer

I'd love a legit TNG:TNG, but I'm not sure there are enough good plot lines to share with SNW.  

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8 hours ago, Parliament said:

That was friggen good.  But since this is Surly, I do have a quibble:

I could see people dying if it all of the sudden shut off and they were in mid-air or whatever.

38 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I'd love a legit TNG:TNG, but I'm not sure there are enough good plot lines to share with SNW.  

You're leaving out a current TNG:TNG show.

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Fair, but still.  SNW is great and I don't wanna syphon anything off of it.

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53 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I could see people dying if it all of the sudden shut off and they were in mid-air or whatever.

You're leaving out a current TNG:TNG show.

And that’s a wonderful show! 

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22 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Fair, but still.  SNW is great and I don't wanna syphon anything off of it.

With Discovery and Picard both ending, we will be down to 1 live action and 2 animated shows. We do not need to go into a Trek blackout again 

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Anyone else think the crew quarters Seven was searching looked kind of like Odo's office on DS9? I wonder if that's on purpose or if I'm imagining things

This season kicks ass 

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

And that’s a wonderful show! 

It's because, unlike S1 and S2 of Picard, the Lower Decks writers/producers love the original source material and don't feel the need to shit all over it.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's because, unlike S1 and S2 of Picard, the Lower Decks writers/producers love the original source material and don't feel the need to shit all over it.

Matalas is also a huge fan. A great choice for Picard season 3

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Really, really wish they would have started the series like this. First two seasons were pointless, and rage inducing. 

Captain Asshole is great. 

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Also, in episode 1:

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When Picard and Riker are at the bar and Troi is jacking him up for not being at home with her, I said, "You're becoming your mother."

 

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Hiring Matalas was the best decision Paramount made, besides Green lighting SNW after Disco season 2

My god this is good shit 

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Also the 12 Monkeys influence by Matalas is obvious. I wonder how many more 12M alums will show up in Season 3