The situation in Springfield, Ohio- Haitians, Cats, and High Minded Rhetoric

['stache 21830]

MAGA claims Oklahoma school has porn in the library, bomb threat. MAGA claims Haitians are eating pets, bomb threat. These people are terrorists and terrorist enablers. The GOP needs to die, like entirely, for going down this path. Sick of this shit.

Edited September 12 by 'stache

['stache 21830]

23 minutes ago, YChang said:

The fact that some Americans don't understand how immigrant communities "happen" is kinda sad. How the fuck do you think your Irish, Scottish, whatever grandparents settled... once someone was brave enough to put down roots, find jobs, create a community it happens. It's not that complicated. 

Unless you're ancestors are Native Americans or former slaves, they were immigrants to this country. And since many of those demographics are mixed, pretty much every US citizen is the descendent of an immigrant.

Edited September 12 by 'stache

[Red Five 40880]

Whenever a crime is committed by an immigrant in the state of Ohio, be it tomorrow or a month from now, it will be national news. "See?? It's real! And you called us weird and liars!".

[YChang 3460]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Unless you're ancestors are Native Americans or former slaves, they were immigrants to this country. And since many of those demographics are mixed, pretty much every US citizen is the descendent of an immigrant.

I hope you know what I meant. At least I hope you do, but thanks for pointing this out. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13519]

9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

MAGA claims Oklahoma school has porn in the library, bomb threat. MAGA claims Haitians are eating pets, bomb threat. These people are terrorists and terrorist enablers. The GOP needs to die, like entirely, for going down this path. Sick of this shit.

Once a story gets into their echo chamber, it's impossible for facts to knock it out. They still refuse to believe that the election wasn't stolen. After all, they see 1000s of people confirming the stolen election in their news feeds, so it must be true to some extent.

[mchookem 16361]

TIL Haitians speak French and Spanish!

[Francisco 2.0 32407]

 

 

 

[Bookman 4639]

"The Situation in Springfield, Ohio" sounds like a Sufjan Stevens song title. 

[Pato del Muerto 52557]

3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

TIL Haitians speak French and Spanish!

Well they do share a pretty small island with a lot of Spanish speakers 

[BrickHorn 18262]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

It's why there are large communities of Hmong and Somalis in....Minnesota, of all places

More fundamentally, it’s why there are large communities of Minnesotans in Minnesota. 

[Hank Kingsley 21020]

Looks like MAGA is turning Springfield, OH into the figurative (at least for now) battleground for this entire election. Buckle up. This is gonna get real ugly. 

Fuck every single one of these Trumpers. They are all ghouls. 

 

 

[chainsaw 9873]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Looks like MAGA is turning Springfield, OH into the figurative (at least for now) battleground for this entire election. Buckle up. This is gonna get real ugly. 

Fuck every single one of these Trumpers. They are all ghouls. 

 

 

Looks like migrant communities have rejuvenated these towns that would have completely died. If the Dems were smart they would amplify this counternarrative. A big if, though.

[mdmost 43016]

He's still a Trump person but Ohio Gov DeWine is knocking back BS claims about Haitians eating animals. He does say he is asking for more resources to help with the influx of migrants. He acknowledges there are challenges when you add that many people to a small town but he appears to be trying to beat back the racism that Vance and Trump are trying to stoke. He needs more school resources, translators, and health care access as those are being overwhelmed. This is something that I wish Biden and Kamala would jump on to assist, if DeWine will accept their help. Yes, dying small towns need migrants to help them stay alive but there needs to be support added in and that takes federal dollars. This is the exact type of situation MAGA will try to exploit to stoke fears about migrants coming in and taking over everything. 

Edited September 12 by mdmost

[27-25 2047]

12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

This photo has been stuck in my head for years.  The fact that some people in this country spewed forth hateful comments in response to this is just disgusting.

I'm glad to read that Mr. Idrache still serves, whether we deserve him or not.

[Hank Kingsley 21020]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Looks like migrant communities have rejuvenated these towns that would have completely died. If the Dems were smart they would amplify this counternarrative. A big if, though.

I agree with your first sentence. But I'm concerned about the type of violence that is possible there if the spotlight continues to grow. 

[Pancho 44943]

 

[BurdineBandit 815]

I'm only 10 minutes into the OP video and (honestly after minute 1) I can already connect the dots to that other video of the plant manager praising his Haitian workers and saying how they don't have drug problems and actually show up to work........ and every Springfield resident he's interviewing. That woman with black lipstick complaining about the Haitians getting government payroll and she can't find a job..... trick it looks like nobody on your porch has laid off of a needle in the past 6 years, that might have something to do with you not having a job. 

[Chewbacca 7781]

 

[Hank Kingsley 21020]

11 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

 

God bless this couple and I thank them for their love, forgiveness, and conviction. 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13519]

44 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Looks like MAGA is turning Springfield, OH into the figurative (at least for now) battleground for this entire election. Buckle up. This is gonna get real ugly. 

Fuck every single one of these Trumpers. They are all ghouls. 

 

 

At one point it was Comet Pizza in DC, or caravans in Mexico. Today it's apt complexes in Aurora, CO and entire cities like Springfield.

[heso 2813]

2 hours ago, YChang said:

The fact that some Americans don't understand how immigrant communities "happen" is kinda sad. How the fuck do you think your Irish, Scottish, whatever grandparents settled... once someone was brave enough to put down roots, find jobs, create a community it happens. It's not that complicated. 

Did you listen to any of those locals in that video? They have no capacity to understand almost anything. They are barely functional, let alone employable. There was a labor shortage and a bunch of unskilled immigrants that mostly can’t even speak English were able to fill it. In another interview the CEO of one of the manufacturing facilities said he wished he had 3,000 more of them because they work hard, they stay at their machines, and they aren’t on drugs. And he said that was a departure from what he’s used to dealing with.  These fucking morons can’t even be present and functional without being on drugs for a work shift, but they feed each other the bullshit that it’s the immigrants fault. 

[ROFL BOX 6649]

[Js1 85494]

1 hour ago, BurdineBandit said:

That woman with black lipstick complaining about the Haitians getting government payroll and she can't find a job..... trick it looks like nobody on your porch has laid off of a needle in the past 6 years, that might have something to do with you not having a job. 

This is who Vance wrote about in his book.  And he's done nothing and has nothing proposed to help them at all. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

TIL Haitians speak French and Spanish!

Every time one of my HS connections on FB posts something stupid about "SpEaK EnGlIsH!!" I like to remind them that their great grandparents spoke Cajun French almost exclusively, their grandparents were bilingual, and neither they or their parents speak a word of Cajun French. And all of them will lament that they never learned the language from their Grandparents when they had the chance and talk about what a tragedy it is that that important part of their heritage is lost. 

[Brisketexan 105213]

1 hour ago, BurdineBandit said:

I'm only 10 minutes into the OP video and (honestly after minute 1) I can already connect the dots to that other video of the plant manager praising his Haitian workers and saying how they don't have drug problems and actually show up to work........ and every Springfield resident he's interviewing. That woman with black lipstick complaining about the Haitians getting government payroll and she can't find a job..... trick it looks like nobody on your porch has laid off of a needle in the past 6 years, that might have something to do with you not having a job. 

32 minutes ago, heso said:

Did you listen to any of those locals in that video? They have no capacity to understand almost anything. They are barely functional, let alone employable. There was a labor shortage and a bunch of unskilled immigrants that mostly can’t even speak English were able to fill it. In another interview the CEO of one of the manufacturing facilities said he wished he had 3,000 more of them because they work hard, they stay at their machines, and they aren’t on drugs. And he said that was a departure from what he’s used to dealing with.  These fucking morons can’t even be present and functional without being on drugs for a work shift, but they feed each other the bullshit that it’s the immigrants fault. 

Both of these.

I have zero doubt in my mind that the addition of (legal -- let's not forget, these are LEGAL migrants, for all of those MAGAs who say "I gots no problem with immigrants, they just need to follow the legal process!") a bunch of hardworking Haitians improved the FUCK out of the collective work ethic and productivity of that town.

Shit, I remember talking to Texas oil patch types 10-ish years ago during one of our "booms," when there was more drilling activity than there were workers.  They were thrilled to find a worker who wasn't actively, at that moment, high on meth.  And when they could get some brown people on their crew?  Shit, they were thrilled, because those dudes WORKED.

MAGA isn't mad because they're better than immigrants.  They're mad because immigrants are better than them.

28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This is who Vance wrote about in his book.  And he's done nothing and has nothing proposed to help them at all. 

And a whole bunch of this.  Like, all of this.  MAGA leadership has a vested interest in keeping poor white folks poor and angry.  The LAST thing they want to do is lift them out of poverty and despair.  It's hard to make content people go all ragey-crazy MAGA.

[quigley 1563]

35 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This is who Vance wrote about in his book.  And he's done nothing and has nothing proposed to help them at all and what he has proposed will probably make things worse.

 

[chainsaw 9873]

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

MAGA isn't mad because they're better than immigrants.  They're mad because immigrants are better than them.

That's the core of white resentment. They were born on 3rd, think they hit a triple, the inning ended, and they keep striking out and blaming everything but their own lack of skill.

[quigley 1563]

25 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Every time one of my HS connections on FB posts something stupid about "SpEaK EnGlIsH!!"

Every time I hear this I think of the joke "What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages? Tri-lingual. What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages? Bi-lingual. What do you call someone who speaks 1 language? American."

[Biff Tannen 45702]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Sure but small towns have always pushed back against this. Irish communities were routinely targeted by the Klan. I will stress again, people need to read A Fever in the Heartland by Timothy Egan. It details the Klan's rise to power in America, specifically Indiana in the 1920s. The rhetoric about migrants the alt-right and MAGA are using today is a carbon copy of what the Klan said back then about blacks, the Irish, and Jews. Seriously, it's a great book. 

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/558306/a-fever-in-the-heartland-by-timothy-egan/

Thanks.  Bought.

[chainsaw 9873]

15 hours ago, Derka said:

 

Not to derail this too much but this is some of the worst Spanish I've ever heard from a supposed latino. I usually don't criticize second generation Spanish speakers but holy shit.

For contrast, here's the much better Spanish from a white guy from Seattle turned New Orleans frat boy who developed a knack for interviewing and got an HBO deal (before he got MeToo'd)

(Time stamp should be 22:54)

[InkaUtexas 26038]

He is Haitian. Spanish is his second language. Probably learned when working in the Dominican Republic.

 

[chainsaw 9873]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

He is Haitian. Spanish is his second language. Probably learned when working in the Dominican Republic.

 

I was talking about the youtuber, not the Haitians.

[InkaUtexas 26038]

Just now, chainsaw said:

I was talking about the youtuber, not the Haitians.

How good is yours?

[Brisketexan 105213]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

How good is yours?

How good are my Haitians?  Pretty good.  Hard workers, not big complainers.  Still, it's hard finding a good fresh cat meat supplier to keep them really happy.

[chainsaw 9873]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

How good is yours?

Well, I'm no Andres Cantor, but know how to say "street"

[royiv 9336]

I really hope I’m wrong, but if this Springfield continues to get oxygen, and I have no reason to believe it won’t, I’m genuinely afraid we’re going to see violence in that city. 

[InkaUtexas 26038]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

How good are my Haitians?  Pretty good.  Hard workers, not big complainers.  Still, it's hard finding a good fresh cat meat supplier to keep them really happy.

Meh, Facebook or nextdoor is your friend then.

 

[chainsaw 9873]

1 minute ago, royiv said:

I really hope I’m wrong, but if this Springfield continues to get oxygen, and I have no reason to believe it won’t, I’m genuinely afraid we’re going to see violence in that city. 

There's already been bomb threats

[Brisketexan 105213]

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

I really hope I’m wrong, but if this Springfield continues to get oxygen, and I have no reason to believe it won’t, I’m genuinely afraid we’re going to see violence in that city. 

You'll likely see it, there or elsewhere.  There's probably a 75% chance or better of MAGA-incited violence against a Haitian/haitian community here in the US over the next 30 days.  That's how stochastic terrorism works.

[royiv 9336]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

There's already been bomb threats

Bomb threats are rarely anything. I’m talking about a bunch of Kyle Rittenhouses showing up with their murder dildos to take care of these dirty cat eaters.

[TheStoicPaisano 9923]

 

[InkaUtexas 26038]

12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Well, I'm no Andres Cantor, but know how to say "street"

Que Chevere.

[locodos 5389]

Meanwhile in Miami, Little Haiti is one of the hottest real-estate markets.  I was down there a few months ago and had a pricey dinner at a Michelin reviewed restaurant.   It was pricey for a joint in a strip mall with a coin laundry.  Wait a minute!  The name of the restaurant was Walrus Rodeo.  

[Willfully Horn 8046]

Fuck poachers, but duck and goose are tasty.

[wood 11236]

On 9/12/2024 at 12:05 PM, 'stache said:

Unless you're ancestors are Native Americans or former slaves, they were immigrants to this country. And since many of those demographics are mixed, pretty much every US citizen is the descendent of an immigrant.

Scot/German/Seminole/Apache here. (representin' my Scot/German/Seminole/Apache homies in the 512, yo!)

Y'all?

 

ETA: And oh yeah, I'm married to a Mexican/Cherokee. No pics, you dirty bastards.

Edited September 13 by wood

[Brisketexan 105213]

2 minutes ago, wood said:

Scot/German/Seminole/Apache here.

Y'all?

[locodos 5389]

25 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Fuck poachers, but duck and goose are tasty.

Yeah I'm having a hard time believing the rednecks are getting heated over eating duck.

[InkaUtexas 26038]

1 minute ago, locodos said:

Yeah I'm having a hard time believing the rednecks are getting heated over eating duck.

Pissed they were high and either did not think about it or missed.

[TwiceHorn 31520]

5 hours ago, huge said:

Was the footage of the cops talking to the lady that apparently was EATING A CAT, was that faked?

I get tired of trying to look up every source of anything to see what the angle is.

In Canton, OH, 170 miles away and like four years ago.

[Francisco 2.0 32407]

1 minute ago, locodos said:

Yeah I'm having a hard time believing the rednecks are getting heated over eating duck.

Oh, it was never about the duck.