SEC Refs Suck

[Valmy77 13088]

9 hours ago, El Squared said:

Until the refs have at least superficial accountability, they will continue to pervert calls and sometimes game outcomes. If the league doesn’t police it, unplanned chaos will find its way in.

The Refs have had this issue for over 100 years. Surely any chaos has already inflicted us.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10101]

More annoying is really starting to see a concerted effort by broadcasters/commentators to back the refs and paint whatever picture is needed to support the ref calls even in cases where it seems obvious they got it wrong.

[Constant 6696]

This one pisses me off the most right now. Spotted 2 and half yards short of where the ball is. 

[AUS-97HORN 11645]

2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

The Refs have had this issue for over 100 years. Surely any chaos has already inflicted us.

while true, the first 90 years didnt have single games with literally millions of dollars at stake, thinking in terms of college football playoff implications, NLI money, Coaches bonuses, and yes, maybe even sports gambling  (although obviously gambling probably had millions on the line 10 years ago)

 

I really dont understand why Beemer didnt pop off about the refs, because they got absolutely jobbed out of a for-sure pick 6 (the "roughing the passer" after the INT bullshit), and that god awful OPI.

[BurntOrange&White 39279]

1 minute ago, Constant said:

This one pisses me off the most right now. Spotted 2 and half yards short of where the ball is. 

What is even more infuriating about that spot was they reviewed it and it was upheld.

[Armybrat 40648]

22 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Don’t think being white has anything to do with it.  The worst official in the Big 12 is Asian.  

Yeah, that racist mantra of “old white guys” has worn very thin here, IMO. 
Fuck that whiny noise, and fuck the Big 12 refs.

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

4 minutes ago, Constant said:

This one pisses me off the most right now. Spotted 2 and half yards short of where the ball is. 

His hip was literally lying past the 28 yard line. A lot of things can be explained by incompetence. It doesn’t feel like that spot, let alone the review, is one of those things. 

Edited September 16 by Doc Daneeka

[BurntOrange&White 39279]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Yeah, that racist mantra of “old white guys” has worn very thin here, IMO. 
Fuck that whiny noise, and fuck the Big 12 refs.

How about just ageism? Fucking old refs!

[JBJ 3647]

Both of the USCe called back interception returns were correct calls.

[BurntOrange&White 39279]

3 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Both of the USCe called back interception returns were correct calls.

official sympathizer 

[MIkeHoncho 1894]

page 2 and no mention of the "targeting to the ass" in the aggy/gator game? 

[Armybrat 40648]

21 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How about just ageism? Fucking old refs!

 

[AUS-97HORN 11645]

8 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Both of the USCe called back interception returns were correct calls.

the 2nd one absolutely was NOT correct.

once the pic is thrown the QB is legal fucking tender.... now you cant BLOW HIM UP anymore, but you sure as fuck can redirect his motion out of the way to make sure hes not involved in stopping the play.   and that was what was done on that play.  it wasnt a dirty hit, it wasnt an illegal hit.  what it was was the refs defaulting to protecting the QB even after he fucks up and throws a pic.    once the change of poession happens, hes considered a defender capable of making a tackle.

 

and he was barely fucking pushed in the grand scheme of football hits.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2721]

Shouldn't the hit on the LSU QB have been a personal foul since the INT had already taken place?  It happened after change of possession so I don't see why it nullified the INT.  

[JBJ 3647]

5 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

once the pic is thrown the QB is legal fucking tender.... now you cant BLOW HIM UP anymore, but you sure as fuck can redirect his motion out of the way to make sure hes not involved in stopping the play.   and that was what was done on that play.  it wasnt a dirty hit, it wasnt an illegal hit.  what it was was the refs defaulting to protecting the QB even after he fucks up and throws a pic.    once the change of poession happens, hes considered a defender capable of making a tackle.

People on Twitter are highlighting the wrong player.  The QB absolutely was gratutiously blown up.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-Ai_6hwGcpC2rCLhD0bbYj8fU-fhtaVe?si=355RZTpSJWbgk0jn

[Pam Cummings 9532]

1 minute ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Shouldn't the hit on the LSU QB have been a personal foul since the INT had already taken place?  It happened after change of possession so I don't see why it nullified the INT.  

I'm absolutely confused by that as well. If the QB threw a pick, and then during the return someone had an illegal hit/block, I don't see how on earth the interception gets wiped out. The return for TD, sure. But to negate the entire play? Why isn't this being talked about more?

[JBJ 3647]

It didn't, SC got the ball on the 10.

[Helobious 9465]

32 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Shouldn't the hit on the LSU QB have been a personal foul since the INT had already taken place?  It happened after change of possession so I don't see why it nullified the INT.  

That’s because it didn’t nullify the INT. SC got the ball at the 10.

28 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Why isn't this being talked about more?

Because that’s not what happened. 

[Helobious 9465]

48 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

page 2 and no mention of the "targeting to the ass" in the aggy/gator game? 

Had to have been some subtle homophobia going on there. So what if he targeted another guys butt.

[Pam Cummings 9532]

Just now, Helobious said:

That’s because it didn’t nullify the INT. SC got the ball at the 10.

Because that’s not what happened. 

I haven't watched the full sequence. I heard they called "roughing the passer", which is a confusing penalty to call given that he was not a passer, nor did his team possess the ball. 

[Huckleberry 32663]

But I'm still looking for OPI on that other call in that game. That one was indefensible from every replay I've seen, even considering they may have announced the wrong number. 

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

34 minutes ago, JBJ said:

People on Twitter are highlighting the wrong player.  The QB absolutely was gratutiously blown up.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-Ai_6hwGcpC2rCLhD0bbYj8fU-fhtaVe?si=355RZTpSJWbgk0jn

He wasn’t remotely blown up. He was pushed on the shoulder. 

If they want to call it a crack back block, sigh, fine, maybe. 

[Helobious 9465]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

I haven't watched the full sequence. I heard they called "roughing the passer", which is a confusing penalty to call given that he was not a passer, nor did his team possess the ball. 

You heard wrong. Like, completely wrong. The refs called unsportsmanlike conduct for an illegal block. 

[Pam Cummings 9532]

32 minutes ago, Helobious said:

You heard wrong. Like, completely wrong. The refs called unsportsmanlike conduct for an illegal block. 

Man. Even after you told me all of that, it still feels like they got robbed. At least it wasn't blatant corruption like I thought. Just run-of-the-mill incompetence.

[Jkwellborn 6616]

the 2nd one absolutely was NOT correct.
once the pic is thrown the QB is legal fucking tender.... now you cant BLOW HIM UP anymore, but you sure as fuck can redirect his motion out of the way to make sure hes not involved in stopping the play.   and that was what was done on that play.  it wasnt a dirty hit, it wasnt an illegal hit.  what it was was the refs defaulting to protecting the QB even after he fucks up and throws a pic.    once the change of poession happens, hes considered a defender capable of making a tackle.
 
and he was barely fucking pushed in the grand scheme of football hits.

I think they just saw him either flopping or laying on the ground and assumed he got hit.

[satyanash 14248]

 

[bullet 1596]

On 9/15/2024 at 9:10 AM, Underdog said:

Didn't see that one, there was a play in the UK/UGa game where you UK was called for facemask,correct call, but on that same play a UK ballcarrier had his facemask grabbed and helmet eventually came off... No flag on that.  So what should've been offsetting penalties was the penalty on UK alone.  It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game most likely but bullshit is bullshit. 

Well there was the unsportsmanlike on Kentucky where he drove the guy down and tackled him blocking.  It could have been both ways, but probably should have been just on UK.  But after that was over a different Georgia player comes over and shoves the UK player down right by the refs.  That should definitely been unsportsmanlike, but they didn't call it.

6 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

More annoying is really starting to see a concerted effort by broadcasters/commentators to back the refs and paint whatever picture is needed to support the ref calls even in cases where it seems obvious they got it wrong.

Yeah.  I've seen a lot of that this year.

[WBT 20380]

6 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

More annoying is really starting to see a concerted effort by broadcasters/commentators to back the refs and paint whatever picture is needed to support the ref calls even in cases where it seems obvious they got it wrong.

That's a product of every network deciding they need a member of the officiating fraternity on payroll to defend every remotely controversial call.  An uphauling development.

[Rimbo 25707]

On 9/14/2024 at 5:32 PM, Nueces River Rat said:

Since we don’t have the Fuck Big 12 Refs to bitch on anymore

not with THAT attitude

I'll bitch about this bitch as much as I fucking well feel like thank you

[gofuckyourself 8099]

6 hours ago, MIkeHoncho said:

page 2 and no mention of the "targeting to the ass" in the aggy/gator game? 

Yep, worst call I've seen. Ejection for targeting. Aggy was something like 2nd and 35 and it gave them a first down, then scored a TD afterwards.

 

[AUS-97HORN 11645]

6 hours ago, JBJ said:

People on Twitter are highlighting the wrong player.  The QB absolutely was gratutiously blown up.

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-Ai_6hwGcpC2rCLhD0bbYj8fU-fhtaVe?si=355RZTpSJWbgk0jn

 

JBJ, you need to watch this video, Pate flat out points out how that was a normal hit.  QB was GOING AFTER THE RUNNER, and the DT shoved him on his  right shoulder pad with 2 hands, he didnt hit him with his body, he was clearly facing the QBs front, so its not a block in back, its not a hit to head or neck area, its a fucking block that applied enough impact to take the QB out of the play. 

 

55 minutes ago, satyanash said:

 

and I completely missed the Georgia facemask call last night, i must have been away from the TV, but the mans helmet is ripped off and a facemask isnt called on that player??  I mean holy fuck thats a 30 yard mistake by the refs there.... applying 15 yards to the offense, instead of 15 to the defense with the fresh set of downs.

thats inexcusable 

[dcar00 14011]

21 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Yep, worst call I've seen. Ejection for targeting. Aggy was something like 2nd and 35 and it gave them a first down, then scored a TD afterwards.

 

It is absolutely targeting since 2022.  official needs 3 things to call targeting.

1. Is the player defenseless?

2. Is there an indicator?

3. Was the crown of the helmet used to make forcible contact on the opponent, or, if the player was defenseless, do we have forcible contact above the shoulders?

Indicators per the NCAA rulebook

• Launch: A player leaving his feet to attack by upward thrust of the body in the head or neck area.
• Crouch: A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to the head or neck area, even though both feet are still on the ground.
• Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack the head or neck area forcibly.
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Bottom line - good call, correct call for aggy

[Huckleberry 32663]

Yes, it's kind of a tough call for the defender because the receiver was in the air, but this is another targeting call that exists to protect the defender, not the offensive player. 

Edited September 16 by Huckleberry

[Newy25 7631]

For sure the flag was thrown on the South Carolina defender because of the Latin American Futbol style embellishment by Nuss. That being said, you cannot go head hunt the QB after a turnover and players know that and any good team gets that coached into them. You could tell the defender knew he was right on the line when he threw his hands up to say “I didn’t do anything!” which actually means I did something but please don’t throw a flag on me. 

Just stay away from hitting the QB. Nuss was not about to tackle anyone. You put yourself in that position needlessly if you do that. 

[utee94 15733]

It was less confusing when they had a separate call for spearing that was not a part of the targeting call.

But yeah, spearing is still against the rules and the rule exists to discourage defensive players from lowering their heads and causing injury to themselves.

I

[Valmy77 13088]

8 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

while true, the first 90 years didnt have single games with literally millions of dollars at stake, thinking in terms of college football playoff implications, NLI money, Coaches bonuses, and yes, maybe even sports gambling  (although obviously gambling probably had millions on the line 10 years ago)

Maybe not, but the stakes were still extremely high. Teams cheated their ass off 90 years ago just as much as they ever did.

I mean there weren't millions of dollars at stake in 1992, but the refs still made sure Baylor won Grant Teaff's last game.

Edited September 16 by Valmy77

[Rimbo 25707]

13 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Maybe not, but the stakes were still extremely high. Teams cheated their ass off 90 years ago just as much as they ever did.

I mean there weren't millions of dollars at stake in 1992, but the refs still made sure Baylor won Grant Teaff's last game.

I remember that, and I'll never not be pissed about it.

[Deej 76404]

1 hour ago, gofuckyourself said:

Yep, worst call I've seen. Ejection for targeting. Aggy was something like 2nd and 35 and it gave them a first down, then scored a TD afterwards.

 

Did no one explain to the refs that aggy likes being targeted in the ass?

[utee94 15733]

13 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

... but the refs still made sure Baylor won Grant Teaff's last game.

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

15 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Maybe not, but the stakes were still extremely high. Teams cheated their ass off 90 years ago just as much as they ever did.

I mean there weren't millions of dollars at stake in 1992, but the refs still made sure Baylor won Grant Teaff's last game.

Forward progress stopped, my ass. And the beauty part is that that bullshit call wouldn’t have been reviewable. 

[Deej 76404]

54 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

the DT shoved him on his right shoulder pad with 2 hands

2015 UT/OSU refs think that's roughing the passer.

[Darth Tron 1118]

11 minutes ago, Deej said:

2015 UT/OSU refs think that's roughing the passer.

Depends on which team did the hitting.

[gofuckyourself 8099]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

It is absolutely targeting since 2022.  official needs 3 things to call targeting.

1. Is the player defenseless?

2. Is there an indicator?

3. Was the crown of the helmet used to make forcible contact on the opponent, or, if the player was defenseless, do we have forcible contact above the shoulders?

Indicators per the NCAA rulebook

• Launch: A player leaving his feet to attack by upward thrust of the body in the head or neck area.
• Crouch: A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to the head or neck area, even though both feet are still on the ground.
• Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack the head or neck area forcibly.
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Bottom line - good call, correct call for aggy

Well, you covered all the salient points and backed it up with virtually unimpeachable documentation.

But it's something that benefited aggy, so I am forced to retort with

 

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2721]

It is absolutely targeting since 2022.  official needs 3 things to call targeting.

1. Is the player defenseless?

2. Is there an indicator?

3. Was the crown of the helmet used to make forcible contact on the opponent, or, if the player was defenseless, do we have forcible contact above the shoulders?

Indicators per the NCAA rulebook

• Launch: A player leaving his feet to attack by upward thrust of the body in the head or neck area.
• Crouch: A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to the head or neck area, even though both feet are still on the ground.
• Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack the head or neck area forcibly.
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.

Bottom line - good call, correct call for aggy

If this is in regards to the Aggy call, he didn’t target the areas mentioned in #3.

[dcar00 14011]

3 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

If this is in regards to the Aggy call, he didn’t target the areas mentioned in #3.

see the "or" in #3

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2721]

see the "or" in #3

Eh, I guess the first part of #3 is more applicable within that scenario.

[BachelorTrek 2920]

29 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Well, you covered all the salient points and backed it up with virtually unimpeachable documentation.

But it's something that benefited aggy, so I am forced to retort with

 

Clint does it better.  Lulz.

[Deej 76404]

24 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

If this is in regards to the Aggy call, he didn’t target the areas mentioned in #3.

But aggy brains are in their ass.

[Colonel Sanders 1330]

10 hours ago, Constant said:

This one pisses me off the most right now. Spotted 2 and half yards short of where the ball is. 

Also, after this play the refs never restarted the clock, which essentially gave ND a fourth time out. 

[Fletch 5798]

Watched the ‘69 Arkansas game for the hell of it the other night. It was beautiful. No bringing out the chains. No “WAS HIS KNEE DOWN BEFORE CROSSING THE PLAIN”. No intention roughness. Non of that crap. Just line up and play. Refs were basically invisible as they should be. It was very refreshing. Then I watched the aggy-Florida game Saturday and it was a non stop flag fest. Just awful.