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3 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Check out how close Kirby is to the end of the play here.    I hate to see people get hurt, but if this ass clown ever does…………

No one is allowed on the white during a play except the 22 men on the field. He should be flagged every fucking play until it gets in his little midget boy brain that the rules apply to him.  Never going to happen. 

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2 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

That’s interesting because I never thought of the NCAA angle.   Going back to the 70’s,  the NCAA was always up the rears of the SWC or to some extent Big 8 schools (primarily OU) with investigations. 

SWC couldn't help but tell on other's wrongdoings. SMU / Pony Express only made it more noticeable. At one point/season in the 80's (before the fall of the entire conference) only one team (Baylor and that saint Grant Teaff /fuck him and that raping school) was not on some type of probation with the NCAA. That NEVER happened with the SEC and is still going on today.

The Good Ol'Boys there have always pretty much stuck together. No doubt for sure, over these last two decades. It just means more 🤫

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3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Kirby should be flagged or kicked out if every game they play. He’s constantly out past the fucking number either jawing at a ref, crying to a ref or talking to a player. Not to mention, trying to be right beside the ball all the time to help distract someone. Dude is an absolute piece of shit.

His MO is to run out on the field, yell something at a player for 2 seconds to allow for the running on the field and then since he is now nearer the ref start whining/crying/bitching at the ref for holding or hands to the face and follow the side judge back to the sideline bitching at him about lining up offsides.  Sometimes the ref that is farther downfield will come down to help the other ref herd his fat ass to the sideline and he can start jawing at him also for DPI/OPI.  Hits them all in one 20 second timeframe.

Hes a cunt and we need to deal with his ass in the NC game.

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9 hours ago, Leanderman said:

Sooooooooooo many gawga players had their hands outside of the frame of the body, and only one holding call?

College basketball was my favorite sport when I was in HS.  Now, I almost never watch college basketball because the officiating has ruined it.  One of the top reasons was that officials could not call block/charge correctly and it encouraged teams to play defense by flopping (hey to Duke).   

Offensive holding is college football's block/charge call.  

I don't think any of the holding calls against Texas were incorrect calls yesterday, but they missed several holding calls against UGa.  I've forgotten the exact details of Type 1 and Type 2 errors in scientific testing, but that's basically what I'm bitching about -- when they call holding, they're making correct calls, but they're not calling enough of the clear holds.

If they can't do a better job, the first thing they need to do is make holding penalties only 5 yards.

But, if you want to see the worst non-call of the weekend, though, take a look at Clemson's first TD:

This is literally a junior-high-level missed call:

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19 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

College basketball was my favorite sport when I was in HS.  Now, I almost never watch college basketball because the officiating has ruined it.  One of the top reasons was that officials could not call block/charge correctly and it encouraged teams to play defense by flopping (hey to Duke).   

Offensive holding is college football's block/charge call.  

I don't think any of the holding calls against Texas were incorrect calls yesterday, but they missed several holding calls against UGa.  I've forgotten the exact details of Type 1 and Type 2 errors in scientific testing, but that's basically what I'm bitching about -- when they call holding, they're making correct calls, but they're not calling enough of the clear holds.

If they can't do a better job, the first thing they need to do is make holding penalties only 5 yards.

But, if you want to see the worst non-call of the weekend, though, take

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I used to watch college basketball all the time.  Now almost never.  For much of the same reason.

The announcers were talking about that Clemson play being a designed run.  The SMU S came up reading run.    Two linemen 4-5 yards downfield.  Pretty terrible.  The eye in the sky is a must for football officiating.

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During the game yesterday I couldn't help but start thinking that the referees were purposely making it very difficult for Texas to win. I've had almost 24 hours to sit back and reflect on it, whether my conspiracy theory is too wild and unrealistic. I've concluded it is not. Those fuckers hosed us. 

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29 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

During the game yesterday I couldn't help but start thinking that the referees were purposely making it very difficult for Texas to win. I've had almost 24 hours to sit back and reflect on it, whether my conspiracy theory is too wild and unrealistic. I've concluded it is not. Those fuckers hosed us. 

The fact that every penalty called on UGA in the first half was offset by a Texas penalty is convenient too.  At least for those who will not concede some funny business was at hand.  That gives them an out to say UGA was getting the attention of the Refs, but Texas was so penalty prone the Horns couldn’t use it them to their advantage.   

I think this happened three times in the first half and none in the second half only because the Refs stopped flagging the holding that was supposedly prevalent in the first half by Texas that  was either fixed or just wasn’t being called anymore because Sark called it out at half.    But how many times in a typical game are penalties save for stuff like unsportsmanlike conduct offset?   How many times in a half of football does it occur if you want to zero in further.

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

College basketball was my favorite sport when I was in HS.  Now, I almost never watch college basketball because the officiating has ruined it.  One of the top reasons was that officials could not call block/charge correctly and it encouraged teams to play defense by flopping (hey to Duke).   

Offensive holding is college football's block/charge call.  

I don't think any of the holding calls against Texas were incorrect calls yesterday, but they missed several holding calls against UGa.  I've forgotten the exact details of Type 1 and Type 2 errors in scientific testing, but that's basically what I'm bitching about -- when they call holding, they're making correct calls, but they're not calling enough of the clear holds.

If they can't do a better job, the first thing they need to do is make holding penalties only 5 yards.

But, if you want to see the worst non-call of the weekend, though, take a look at Clemson's first TD:

This is literally a junior-high-level missed call:

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I agree about holding  with being the subjective call of the times in football.    Roughing the passer is coming up fast though.  I’ve seen QB’s including our own take hits later after releasing the ball or toward the head and it not called including yesterday.   We got called for roughing and even Kirk and Chris questioned it.   

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2 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Check out how close Kirby is to the end of the play here.    I hate to see people get hurt, but if this ass clown ever does…………

There are about 4 or so coaches for Georgia in the restricted area during that single play.  No flags of course.  I guess they suddenly couldn't see the white part of the field and the invisible UGA coaches.  

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22 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

It should be more than one.   Go for two so you have one each half. 

I'm OK with one if you get it back if the challenge is successful.  

Actually, I think the replay system should be coach-initiated and be dependent on the number of timeouts you have.  So you start each half with 3 challenges/timeouts and if you make an unsuccessful challenge, you lose the TO.  If the challenge is correct, no TO docked.  

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14 minutes ago, Nivek said:

There are about 4 or so coaches for Georgia in the restricted area during that single play.  No flags of course.  I guess they suddenly couldn't see the white part of the field and the invisible UGA coaches.  

They typically only call that if contact is made with an official, even though the rulebook clearly does not require contact.  

I assume that the reason they don't call it more is because coaches don't want them calling it.  Remember when they put the coaches' boxes on the court in basketball?  A bunch of coaches got T'd up that first season and there was  lots of complaining, and then the next year and since, it was hardly ever called.  

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I’ve watched several Georgia games this year and questioned how the fuck that midget is always on the field and how he gets away with lobbying officials after almost every play. His antics need to go viral to force action by this backwoods conference!

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19 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

They typically only call that if contact is made with an official, even though the rulebook clearly does not require contact.  

I assume that the reason they don't call it more is because coaches don't want them calling it.  Remember when they put the coaches' boxes on the court in basketball?  A bunch of coaches got T'd up that first season and there was  lots of complaining, and then the next year and since, it was hardly ever called.  

Look at Kirby when he pushed the MSU QB.  He had to be on the field of play when the play came to conclusion as you can see from this angle.  How in the hell is this whole clusterfuck of a play not called sideline interference on top of unsportsmanlike conduct?     Of course the SEC office yawned .   The Ref on the field had every right to throw a flag for both if not just one but did not do it because…..  it’s Kirby being Kirby.     

But let a celebration happen after a good stop like we did against UK and the flag comes out.   It was a warning, but it gave the Refs the go ahead to tack on 15 yards if they chose to throw a flag later for sideline interference.       

 

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18 minutes ago, Jon Bovi said:

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My older son and I are Georgia Tech grads (we "got out").  My younger son is Texas Ex (CS). I fell in love with UT while he was there.  My two favorite teams are the Horns and the Jackets.  Both great academic schools with great traditions.

I've had two consecutive games of this SEC officiating bullshit with georgia.  The officials pulled georgia back into the GT game in the second half.  On a fourth down play in the end zone, they called a bullshit PI.  The announcers said the ball "appeared to be tipped."  Reviewed?  Nope.  If it was tipped, no PI.  Then on a GT fumble, you see a georgia player come in with his head down, and the King's (QB) head snap sideways.  The comment was that the georgia player's helmet hit the ball.  That caused King's head to go sideways?  Was it reviewed?  Nope.  Either one of those is called, and georgia loses.

There is more--just like last night.

I confess that I turned off the TV after the twin PI (as someone on this board called it) followed by the roughing the passer call to cover up the intentional grounding.  I knew right then there was no way ABC/SEC were going to let UT win.  Yes, I screamed at the TV before I turned it off.

There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let an unranked team beat an SEC team that had qualified for the Championship game--and would have 3 losses.  There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let a conference newcomer beat georgia--that would have suggested that the SEC was somehow weak.

Then we have SMU and Clemson.  Clemson had zero penalties.  Same thing--would ABC/ACC allow a newcomer to further show ACC weakness?   ABC/ESPN have huge investments in these conferences to protect. 

Just business I guess, but a sport without correctly enforced rules is not a sport.

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22 minutes ago, Jon Bovi said:

Signed up just to post in this thread.

My older son and I are Georgia Tech grads (we "got out").  My younger son is Texas Ex (CS). I fell in love with UT while he was there.  My two favorite teams are the Horns and the Jackets.  Both great academic schools with great traditions.

I've had two consecutive games of this SEC officiating bullshit with georgia.  The officials pulled georgia back into the GT game in the second half.  On a fourth down play in the end zone, they called a bullshit PI.  The announcers said the ball "appeared to be tipped."  Reviewed?  Nope.  If it was tipped, no PI.  Then on a GT fumble, you see a georgia player come in with his head down, and the King's (QB) head snap sideways.  The comment was that the georgia player's helmet hit the ball.  That caused King's head to go sideways?  Was it reviewed?  Nope.  Either one of those is called, and georgia loses.

There is more--just like last night.

I confess that I turned off the TV after the twin PI (as someone on this board called it) followed by the roughing the passer call to cover up the intentional grounding.  I knew right then there was no way ABC/SEC were going to let UT win.  Yes, I screamed at the TV before I turned it off.

There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let an unranked team beat an SEC team that had qualified for the Championship game--and would have 3 losses.  There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let a conference newcomer beat georgia--that would have suggested that the SEC was somehow weak.

Then we have SMU and Clemson.  Clemson had zero penalties.  Same thing--would ABC/ACC allow a newcomer to further show ACC weakness?   ABC/ESPN have huge investments in these conferences to protect. 

Just business I guess, but a sport without correctly enforced rules is not a sport.

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54 minutes ago, Nivek said:

There are about 4 or so coaches for Georgia in the restricted area during that single play.  No flags of course.  I guess they suddenly couldn't see the white part of the field and the invisible UGA coaches.  

Kirk or Chris after the play remarked from seeing the other angle which I can’t find that Kirby almost made an assist on the play and showed his foot almost on the field of play.    

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3 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

That fucking coach in black is already calling the next play and the QB isn’t even out of bounds.   But no sideline interference?    What a fucking joke.   

If Sark did this… I’d be shooting my boy Eltife a text. 

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1 hour ago, Nueces River Rat said:

The fact that every penalty called on UGA in the first half was offset by a Texas penalty is convenient too.  At least for those who will not concede some funny business was at hand.  That gives them an out to say UGA was getting the attention of the Refs, but Texas was so penalty prone the Horns couldn’t use it them to their advantage.   

I think this happened three times in the first half and none in the second half only because the Refs stopped flagging the holding that was supposedly prevalent in the first half by Texas that  was either fixed or just wasn’t being called anymore because Sark called it out at half.    But how many times in a typical game are penalties save for stuff like unsportsmanlike conduct offset?   How many times in a half of football does it occur if you want to zero in further.

He sure did!  That was hilarious when his comment mentioned that holding should go both ways. 

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36 minutes ago, SuckitKevin said:

I’ve watched several Georgia games this year and questioned how the fuck that midget is always on the field and how he gets away with lobbying officials after almost every play. His antics need to go viral to force action by this backwoods conference!

put that # sign thing in front of his name and hit send 

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I really would like someone with the skills to make an edit (like the '15 okie lite screw job) of the fuckery that occurred last night. Without it, just as someone else upthread stated, we're just going to be labeled as homers.

It can't be said enough-- fuck this redneck conference. 

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1 hour ago, Jon Bovi said:

Signed up just to post in this thread.

My older son and I are Georgia Tech grads (we "got out").  My younger son is Texas Ex (CS). I fell in love with UT while he was there.  My two favorite teams are the Horns and the Jackets.  Both great academic schools with great traditions.

I've had two consecutive games of this SEC officiating bullshit with georgia.  The officials pulled georgia back into the GT game in the second half.  On a fourth down play in the end zone, they called a bullshit PI.  The announcers said the ball "appeared to be tipped."  Reviewed?  Nope.  If it was tipped, no PI.  Then on a GT fumble, you see a georgia player come in with his head down, and the King's (QB) head snap sideways.  The comment was that the georgia player's helmet hit the ball.  That caused King's head to go sideways?  Was it reviewed?  Nope.  Either one of those is called, and georgia loses.

There is more--just like last night.

I confess that I turned off the TV after the twin PI (as someone on this board called it) followed by the roughing the passer call to cover up the intentional grounding.  I knew right then there was no way ABC/SEC were going to let UT win.  Yes, I screamed at the TV before I turned it off.

There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let an unranked team beat an SEC team that had qualified for the Championship game--and would have 3 losses.  There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let a conference newcomer beat georgia--that would have suggested that the SEC was somehow weak.

Then we have SMU and Clemson.  Clemson had zero penalties.  Same thing--would ABC/ACC allow a newcomer to further show ACC weakness?   ABC/ESPN have huge investments in these conferences to protect. 

Just business I guess, but a sport without correctly enforced rules is not a sport.

Hook 'em

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2 hours ago, Jon Bovi said:

Signed up just to post in this thread.

My older son and I are Georgia Tech grads (we "got out").  My younger son is Texas Ex (CS). I fell in love with UT while he was there.  My two favorite teams are the Horns and the Jackets.  Both great academic schools with great traditions.

I've had two consecutive games of this SEC officiating bullshit with georgia.  The officials pulled georgia back into the GT game in the second half.  On a fourth down play in the end zone, they called a bullshit PI.  The announcers said the ball "appeared to be tipped."  Reviewed?  Nope.  If it was tipped, no PI.  Then on a GT fumble, you see a georgia player come in with his head down, and the King's (QB) head snap sideways.  The comment was that the georgia player's helmet hit the ball.  That caused King's head to go sideways?  Was it reviewed?  Nope.  Either one of those is called, and georgia loses.

There is more--just like last night.

I confess that I turned off the TV after the twin PI (as someone on this board called it) followed by the roughing the passer call to cover up the intentional grounding.  I knew right then there was no way ABC/SEC were going to let UT win.  Yes, I screamed at the TV before I turned it off.

There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let an unranked team beat an SEC team that had qualified for the Championship game--and would have 3 losses.  There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let a conference newcomer beat georgia--that would have suggested that the SEC was somehow weak.

Then we have SMU and Clemson.  Clemson had zero penalties.  Same thing--would ABC/ACC allow a newcomer to further show ACC weakness?   ABC/ESPN have huge investments in these conferences to protect. 

Just business I guess, but a sport without correctly enforced rules is not a sport.

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13 hours ago, kevwun said:

A Georgia win made sure 2 teams would be in the playoff.  They killed so many drives with bullshit flags.

If JAWJA plays neuter dumb, they will suddenly find it's THEIR TURN to get the stick in the ass with bullshit calls against them.

neuter dumb ALWAYS gets preferential refs treatment, and especially in this CFP scenario, extremely generous spots, etc., and watch for JAWJA's constant holding, DPIs, and late-hits/unnecessary-roughness will suddenly be called by the refs.  

neuter dumb isn't going to survive to the end anyway, so taking out JAWJA with the refs on nd's side will be fun to watch. That'll put JAWJA's ass in a sling, again, and I can't wait to see it!  Lulz.

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The “white box” is for officials to have their space on the sidelines. Smart should’ve been flagged for interference on the contested catch on their sideline that he was within 5 yards of the play once the ball was thrown. The Side Judge should’ve just grazed his ass and the flag would’ve been unquestioned.

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10 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I get coaches trying to work the Refs.  I’ve been around football for four decades and some change now and understand why they do it and it works at times.   But Kirby is beyond ridiculous.   I think in the Kentucky game we got flagged for a sideline warning, but this clown practically lives on the white  part of the sideline and almost on the field running up and down at the same time and never gets flagged or even a warning flag.   It’s pathetic.

If I were a coach and my team got a penalty that actually counted for sideline interference, I’d pull up video footage of Kirby and his antics and make it part of my press conference and ask why my team and coaches are held to one standard all while the league turns a blind eye to Kirby and his antics just because he’s Kirby.   

Yeah.  And nobody in the Big 12 would have gotten away with saying the refs were trying to steal the game (especially when they reversed one of the worst PI calls of the year).

They just need to warn him once and then start penalizing his team.  He will learn or get his belt holder to be stricter (in case you haven't noticed, he used to have someone hold his belt to keep him off the field and the guy still grabs him occasionally.

His slamming Sankey after the game for Georgia's schedule was uncalled for too.  Somebody just needs to quit pampering him.  He's not stupid.  He'll learn.

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I've said this before, but SEC refs don't protect players like the Big 12.

Ewers had two clear late hits that didn't get called and would be called in any other conference.  And one time the UGA player slapped him in the helmet with his hand.  I saw Ewers complain to the refs a couple times, but they just kind of shrugged.

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10 minutes ago, bullet said:

I've said this before, but SEC refs don't protect players like the Big 12.

Ewers had two clear late hits that didn't get called and would be called in any other conference.  And one time the UGA player slapped him in the helmet with his hand.  I saw Ewers complain to the refs a couple times, but they just kind of shrugged.

Except the phantom "roughing the passer" call on Anthony Hill who went out of his way NOT TO HIT Carson Beck in the 1st half.

https://www.on3.com/news/espn-rules-analyst-bill-lemonnier-calls-out-refs-for-roughing-the-passer-call-against-texas-on-carson-beck/
 

 

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6 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but did we get penalized for defense shifting when Kirby has literally done this every game? 

Kirby/UGA has been playing the “D Line Pre Snap Shift” game ever since he has fuckingbeen at Georgia.  Success quotient in inducing false starts has been high, penalties called rare.  Nick coached our teams up on it and we beat them more often than not but the Offense has to be expecting the shift.

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15 hours ago, Jon Bovi said:

Signed up just to post in this thread.

My older son and I are Georgia Tech grads (we "got out").  My younger son is Texas Ex (CS). I fell in love with UT while he was there.  My two favorite teams are the Horns and the Jackets.  Both great academic schools with great traditions.

I've had two consecutive games of this SEC officiating bullshit with georgia.  The officials pulled georgia back into the GT game in the second half.  On a fourth down play in the end zone, they called a bullshit PI.  The announcers said the ball "appeared to be tipped."  Reviewed?  Nope.  If it was tipped, no PI.  Then on a GT fumble, you see a georgia player come in with his head down, and the King's (QB) head snap sideways.  The comment was that the georgia player's helmet hit the ball.  That caused King's head to go sideways?  Was it reviewed?  Nope.  Either one of those is called, and georgia loses.

There is more--just like last night.

I confess that I turned off the TV after the twin PI (as someone on this board called it) followed by the roughing the passer call to cover up the intentional grounding.  I knew right then there was no way ABC/SEC were going to let UT win.  Yes, I screamed at the TV before I turned it off.

There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let an unranked team beat an SEC team that had qualified for the Championship game--and would have 3 losses.  There was no way ABC/SEC were going to let a conference newcomer beat georgia--that would have suggested that the SEC was somehow weak.

Then we have SMU and Clemson.  Clemson had zero penalties.  Same thing--would ABC/ACC allow a newcomer to further show ACC weakness?   ABC/ESPN have huge investments in these conferences to protect. 

Just business I guess, but a sport without correctly enforced rules is not a sport.

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10 hours ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but did we get penalized for defense shifting when Kirby has literally done this every game? 

We had a punt formation that did an entire or almost entire team shift, and the Georgia players jumped well offsides. They called a false start. Announcers said something about how the right guard was the one player who couldn’t move, and he moved.  It didn’t explain wh that might be true, nor I believe showed a replay.  I was lost on why a false start was called. 

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