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40 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

The broadcast/refs claimed Simmons was offside. It didn't seem clear to me his flinch even got him in the neutral zone.

Simmons didn't line up offside and he didn't move out of his stance. He flinched and the ref flagged him for offside because of course. Simmons is nearly a full yard off the LOS here.

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This is more on me for trying to apply logic to a rule set, but how can you interfere with a receiver when the ball is caught well in front of both players by a third player?  The receiver never had a chance to catch the ball.  
 

Just seems like an unfair final outcome based on what happened during the play.  Does college have the uncatchable ball negates PI rule and could/should it be used in a situation like this?
 

 

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5 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I'm so fucking mad today.

Yes, we made mistakes (Quinn and Strawberry Shortcake, esp), and yes, we could've won anyway.

But the total yardage at halftime was something like 260 to 54 and I believe each team had 1 turnover at that point.  But the penalty yardage was 80-19.  They kept Georgia in that game, because they were told to by the league office, and I hate conspiracy theories in general.  And the booth watched it happen and pretended they didn't see it.  You know you fucking saw it, Kirk, you gutless prick.

I was sitting there at halftime fuming, because we all knew Georgia would play better in the second half.  We needed to be up 17-3 instead of 6-3, and we played well enough to have that lead, but we were not allowed to.

Fuck you, SEC.

I feel the exact same way except that I love a good conspiracy theory. 

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38 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I'm so fucking mad today.

Yes, we made mistakes (Quinn and Strawberry Shortcake, esp), and yes, we could've won anyway.

But the total yardage at halftime was something like 260 to 54 and I believe each team had 1 turnover at that point.  But the penalty yardage was 80-19.  They kept Georgia in that game, because they were told to by the league office, and I hate conspiracy theories in general.  And the booth watched it happen and pretended they didn't see it.  You know you fucking saw it, Kirk, you gutless prick.

I was sitting there at halftime fuming, because we all knew Georgia would play better in the second half.  We needed to be up 17-3 instead of 6-3, and we played well enough to have that lead, but we were not allowed to.

Fuck you, SEC.

This. I don’t like blaming the refs because we of course always have other shortcomings, but this was the most blatant shit I’ve seen since the okie state game. 

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2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The roughing on Ewers they didn't call was real bad.  2 dudes pushed him down and nothing.

It was multiple levels worse than the roughing they called on us.  Then there were the twin shoulder tug DPI's -- flag on Texas and not on them.

Three holds in the first half on Texas, and zero on them.  And IIRC we also had multiple holds the first time against Georgia.  How come this OL, considered by some to be the best in the country, wets itself every time it sees Georgia's D line with SEC refs, but they didn't wet themselves against Michigan's very good D line, or OU's?

My personal favorite was the play that ended up with our guy getting lit up out of bounds with no flag, but there were two flags on us.  Three fouls on one play, and you see the two on Texas but not the blatantly obvious one on Georgia.  Like, guys, you could've thrown that one just to make it less obvious that you're in the fucking bag, since it would've been offset anyway -- use your brains.

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12 hours ago, Paper_jam said:

I guess this is a little payback from the conference head office for not finding any of the bottle-throwers.

The funny part about that is, the bottle throwing is the big story. 
 

Not the ref that called DEFENSIVE pass interference “accidentally” instead of OFFENSIVE pass interference. 
 

Fucking dumbass reffies 

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1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

We just needed to play a clean game like Clemson did last night....wasn't called for a single penalty, not one. 🤨

Wow.  ACC refs have had their thumbs on the scales for the entire season.

Situations of the 6 calls against SMU are interesting.

  1. Personal foul after a Clemson punt return.  Set up drive on SMU 28.  Drive: Clem TD
  2. Clemson ball, 3-11 on their 35, incomplete pass, roughing the passer.  Drive: Clem TD
  3. Personal found after an SMU punt.  Moved drive from Clem 41 to SMU 44.  Drive: Clem FG
  4. SMU Ball: 1-10 at Clem 35.  Ineligible downfield pass.  Drive: SMU Punt
  5. SMU ball; 2-4 at Clem 20 False start; 
  6. Then holding on 3-9 at Clem 24.  Drive: SMU FG.

5&6 on same drive.

Each penalty materially improved Clemson's situation.  I did not watch the entire game nor really analyze the legitimacy of the penalties. 

Clemson averages around 5 penalties per game for around 46 yards.  However, zero is quite amazing.

 

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1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

This is more on me for trying to apply logic to a rule set, but how can you interfere with a receiver when the ball is caught well in front of both players by a third player?  The receiver never had a chance to catch the ball.  

The outcome didn't match the script, so that is the logic.

12 minutes ago, Zeus said:

The funny part about that is, the bottle throwing is the big story. 
 

Not the ref that called DEFENSIVE pass interference “accidentally” instead of OFFENSIVE pass interference. 
 

Fucking dumbass reffies 

  If they make it about the bottle throwing they don't have to address the fuckery.  

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The part that bothers me the most is the media narrative that always ignores fuckery. Nobody said shit about the Okie St game and they won’t mention this game. They will only mention bottle throwing about the first GA game. The announcers, in game, see what we see but won’t say shit about it. They may say “Georgia got away with one there” or “the officials are struggling a little” and they may even mention the disparity in number of penalties, but they will never question the legitimacy of the disparity. And because of this, fuckery is consequence free. 

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From the other thread:

https://media.surlyhorns.com/monthly_2024_12/ewersintga.mp4.28be8880799c8b078d997419171d5a65.mp4

If you play it in slow motion, you can see an arm around Bond before the ball gets there and Helm being hugged downfield in front of the official.     The DPI is very fast so that is and excusable miss.  The holding on Helm is not.  

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

I'm so fucking mad today.

Yes, we made mistakes (Quinn and Strawberry Shortcake, esp), and yes, we could've won anyway.

But the total yardage at halftime was something like 260 to 54 and I believe each team had 1 turnover at that point.  But the penalty yardage was 80-19.  They kept Georgia in that game, because they were told to by the league office, and I hate conspiracy theories in general.  And the booth watched it happen and pretended they didn't see it.  You know you fucking saw it, Kirk, you gutless prick.

I was sitting there at halftime fuming, because we all knew Georgia would play better in the second half.  We needed to be up 17-3 instead of 6-3, and we played well enough to have that lead, but we were not allowed to.

Fuck you, SEC.

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 Here's the deal.  Folks fucking hate Texas.  And when you go to your kids sports games there are officials from the time they are 8 years old onward refereeing games.  You know who are not a big part of that referee pool?  Longhorns.  Hardly any, from my life experience.  And they tend to often have a negative view of Texas (envy, hatred, desire to harm) and it bleeds into their view of the game.

Did we get fucked on calls for the most part?  Absofuckinglutely!  But that's the norm, not the exception.  We will always have more questionable calls go against us, than for us.  AND THAT IS NEVER GOING TO FUCKING CHANGE!  And for Texas to win championships we have to not only win on the field but overcome, the shit calls we KNOW are gonna come our way. Again, and again, and again.  But you have to overcome!

To win at Texas you can't shoot your own self in the foot.  Too many convict dressed folks already doing that.  You just have to bear down, and overcome.  No other choice. 

 

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Smart  never calls any plays or anything.  90% of the game is spent working calls from the refs while charging onto the field like a gaping vagina, just like Carroll used to do.  We might want to try that.  We we should be in the ear of every ref on the field bitching about missed holds, lining up in the neutral zone, DPI, OPI.  All fucking game long.  It is a coaching failure not to.

Georgia never had to deal with a hold bringing back a big play once.  We had a huge play to about the 15 I think with Blue that also had a facemask but of course a bullshit hold was called and that was that.

SEC tried to fuck us in the aggy game too but the booth fixed the fuckery.  there is no booth to fix BS holding and DPI calls(or non calls).

 

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40 minutes ago, horn4life said:

 Here's the deal.  Folks fucking hate Texas.  And when you go to your kids sports games there are officials from the time they are 8 years old onward refereeing games.  You know who are not a big part of that referee pool?  Longhorns.  Hardly any, from my life experience.  And they tend to often have a negative view of Texas (envy, hatred, desire to harm) and it bleeds into their view of the game.

Did we get fucked on calls for the most part?  Absofuckinglutely!  But that's the norm, not the exception.  We will always have more questionable calls go against us, than for us.  AND THAT IS NEVER GOING TO FUCKING CHANGE!  And for Texas to win championships we have to not only win on the field but overcome, the shit calls we KNOW are gonna come our way. Again, and again, and again.  But you have to overcome!

To win at Texas you can't shoot your own self in the foot.  Too many convict dressed folks already doing that.  You just have to bear down, and overcome.  No other choice. 

 

This is all true, to a certain extent.

But I think the bigger issue at work here is the conference protecting its brand.  Conferences always shaded things a little if it meant keeping a team undefeated to make sure they got into the old 4-team playoff or BCS championship game.  And if we're honest, we benefitted from that in the Big 12 once or twice (not as frequently as ou). 

Now it seems like conferences will try to make sure they get 3 or even 4 teams into the expanded playoff (I haven't forgotten the 5 bad calls in the first half of the aggy game, when their only way in was to upset us and then win the CCG).

In the case of the CCG, it's as simple as this: the SEC-is-the-best-conference mystique takes a hit if Texas shows up and wins it immediately, especially given that we're only in year 2 of a return to national relevance.  So, they made a business decision to fuck us.  And, to your point above, everybody hates Texas anyway, so no one will mind that we're gonna violate them repeatedly.  They probably won't even be able to see it, and if Texas fans say anything they'll be written off as homers, no matter how many black-and-white examples they can list.

So, in conclusion, again, fuck the SEC.  We'll be the ones they're protecting probably as soon as next year.  But I'd rather just have straight games.

 

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7 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

We had a huge play to about the 15 I think with Blue that also had a facemask but of course a bullshit hold was called and that was that.

We have not been allowed to get the corner in conference play all year without getting a hold. Usually, they call it on the tackle but this time they got creative. Meanwhile the Georgia backs can bounce it outside all game without getting a single holding call.

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4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

We have not been allowed to get the corner in conference play all year without getting a hold. Usually, they call it on the tackle but this time they got creative. Meanwhile the Georgia backs can bounce it outside all game without getting a single holding call.

yep.  There is obviously a narrative that opposing coaches are using with the refs and it only applies to us/Sark when we run outside zone and maul people.

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Wish college and nfl would force o line on the line of scrimmage. Also start throwing flags on coaches for constant on the field.

Kirby should be flagged or kicked out if every game they play. He’s constantly out past the fucking number either jawing at a ref, crying to a ref or talking to a player. Not to mention, trying to be right beside the ball all the time to help distract someone. Dude is an absolute piece of shit.
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Fuck the Mickey Mouse, slackjawed band of Inbreds that make up the SEC fanbase, coaches, officials and administrators.

It was good to at least see Sark royally pissed off and calling out the officials at halftime, calling a spade a spade.  Now raise hell and have the administration at UT do something about it.

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21 minutes ago, horn4life said:

 Here's the deal.  Folks fucking hate Texas.  And when you go to your kids sports games there are officials from the time they are 8 years old onward refereeing games.  You know who are not a big part of that referee pool?  Longhorns.  Hardly any, from my life experience.  And they tend to often have a negative view of Texas (envy, hatred, desire to harm) and it bleeds into their view of the game.

Did we get fucked on calls for the most part?  Absofuckinglutely!  But that's the norm, not the exception.  We will always have more questionable calls go against us, than for us.  AND THAT IS NEVER GOING TO FUCKING CHANGE!  And for Texas to win championships we have to not only win on the field but overcome, the shit calls we KNOW are gonna come our way. Again, and again, and again.  But you have to overcome!

To win at Texas you can't shoot your own self in the foot.  Too many convict dressed folks already doing that.  You just have to bear down, and overcome.  No other choice. 

 

I’ll add to this.   Some of the Old South SEC blue bloods hate the fact the SEC is not the Louisiana to South Carolina conference they grew up with.   The same conference that had teams like Bama, UGA, and Florida that rarely played Texas before the conference expansion and realignments craze began 30 years ago.   The SEC was a closed club to them and they lived in their echo chamber for years getting their teams in the premier bowl games without having to play challenging non conference opponents.  

I think they were OK with aggy joining the club because culturally they kind of fit in with them.   I don’t think they’ve ever considered MIzzou a compliment to the their conference just like they still felt like they should’ve been a Big 10 school when they were in the Rig 12.   And the reaction to Texas and OU joining to club was kind of lukewarm at best. 

This all translates to the some of the fuckery we’ve seen with Refs.   I’d bet you could pull the places of birth and current residences of the Ref crews the SEC utilizes and they are going to be heavy with Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama  (not the schools but the states) connections.  They are from generations for families who lived SEC football and they resent the new boys in town.   Especially the one who has the resources both in money and a natural recruiting base to be top tier from day one and for the balance of the life of the SEC for how many more years it lives as a conference from this point forward.  

 

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16 minutes ago, Minute Bull said:

Fuck the Mickey Mouse, slackjawed band of Inbreds that make up the SEC fanbase, coaches, officials and administrators.

It was good to at least see Sark royally pissed off and calling out the officials at halftime, calling a spade a spade.  Now raise hell and have the administration at UT do something about it.

This 👆is a start. About time he actually called someone out on it too. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE.

Kirby is a whiny cunt but he does it for the effect he receives. Kiffin is another. Saban did it also. SEC is rewarding those that bitch or call them out, so do it the Fuck also. They showed Sark at least once in the ear of our sideline judge and  you could tell the official knew he was right but then Sark backed off. BS, chew that guy a new asshole then AND for the rest of the game.

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15 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

I’ll add to this.   Some of the Old South SEC blue bloods hate the fact the SEC is not the Louisiana to South Carolina conference they grew up with.   The same conference that had teams like Bama, UGA, and Florida that rarely played Texas before the conference expansion and realignments craze began 30 years ago.   The SEC was a closed club to them and they lived in their echo chamber for years getting their teams in the premier bowl games without having to play challenging non conference opponents.  

I think they were OK with aggy joining the club because culturally they kind of fit in with them.   I don’t think they’ve ever considered MIzzou a compliment to the their conference just like they still felt like they should’ve been a Big 10 school when they were in the Rig 12.   And the reaction to Texas and OU joining to club was kind of lukewarm at best. 

This all translates to the some of the fuckery we’ve seen with Refs.   I’d bet you could pull the places of birth and current residences of the Ref crews the SEC utilizes and they are going to be heavy with Georgia, Tennessee, and Alabama  (not the schools but the states) connections.  They are from generations for families who lived SEC football and they resent the new boys in town.   Especially the one who has the resources both in money and a natural recruiting base to be top tier from day one and for the balance of the life of the SEC for how many more years it lives as a conference from this point forward.  

 

That's a great post.

Also why the conference almost NEVER had schools in deep shit with the NCAA. They had the back room agreement of not tattling on the other school's indiscretions or bag men. No doubt still going on, just in an "official" way.

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31 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


Kirby should be flagged or kicked out if every game they play. He’s constantly out past the fucking number either jawing at a ref, crying to a ref or talking to a player. Not to mention, trying to be right beside the ball all the time to help distract someone. Dude is an absolute piece of shit.

He almost interfeared on a play on their sideline last night.   It’s fricken ridiculous.   It’s almost to the point I wish he’d get trucked  by even one his players and finally the SEC and the Refs would have to address it.   Especially if he had to leave the stadium for treatment.   

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We got cooked. But make the FGs, run the ball and don’t turn it over and it don’t make a shit. When Sark’s teams can’t run it’s a problem/loss. Shit even with that a few other plays go our way, GA fumble recovery, pick six if 3 does his job, etc. and Texas is the champ. 

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1 minute ago, BillyGoatHill said:

That's a great post.

Also why the conference almost NEVER had schools in deep shit with the NCAA. They had the back room agreement of not tattling on the other school's indiscretions or bag men. No doubt still going on, just in an "official" way.

That’s interesting because I never thought of the NCAA angle.   Going back to the 70’s,  the NCAA was always up the rears of the SWC or to some extent Big 8 schools (primarily OU) with investigations. 

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That phantom offsides was the most confusing, bewildering "offsides" I've ever seen in my life. It's always such a clear and obvious penalty. In real time it was, "What? Who? Nobody jumped!" And the replay just confirms how egregiously bad that was. The fucking retard refs are LOOKING DOWN THE LINE. How do you fucking call that when he NEVER EVEN MOVED FORWARD?

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2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Kirby should be flagged or kicked out if every game they play. He’s constantly out past the fucking number either jawing at a ref, crying to a ref or talking to a player. Not to mention, trying to be right beside the ball all the time to help distract someone. Dude is an absolute piece of shit.

The way to fix that is to hit him.  

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1 hour ago, BillyGoatHill said:

That's a great post.

Also why the conference almost NEVER had schools in deep shit with the NCAA. They had the back room agreement of not tattling on the other school's indiscretions or bag men. No doubt still going on, just in an "official" way.

Actually, they all hated Tennessee for a while because Fulmer ratted them out once.  

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1 hour ago, troph said:

We got cooked. But make the FGs, run the ball and don’t turn it over and it don’t make a shit. When Sark’s teams can’t run it’s a problem/loss. Shit even with that a few other plays go our way, GA fumble recovery, pick six if 3 does his job, etc. and Texas is the champ. 

If the field goals were made, they would have found a flag.   The turnover was clearly DPI.   The faulty thinking is thinking there was actually a chance to win.  

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2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Kirby should be flagged or kicked out if every game they play. He’s constantly out past the fucking number either jawing at a ref, crying to a ref or talking to a player. Not to mention, trying to be right beside the ball all the time to help distract someone. Dude is an absolute piece of shit.

Kirby does it....because it works...gets things his way....either penalize him without a warning or let it go....

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3 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

SMU Ball: 1-10 at Clem 35.  Ineligible downfield pass.  Drive: SMU Punt

I only watched the beginning of the game but I saw the first 3 Clemson scores. On the first one, where klubnik looked like he was running and then stopped and threw to a wide open receiver,I looked at the linemen during replay because they had to think he was running. Sure enough a couple were 4-5 yards downfield. 

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13 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

NO PLAYER IN WHITE! FOR DAMN SURE! This kind of shit drives me nuts! And to also add the other off sides after the interception our guy ran out of bounds and their player practically leveled him oh wait there's no fucking Flag for hitting a Texas player late not in their world.

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1 minute ago, Bevoette said:

NO PLAYER IN WHITE! FOR DAMN SURE! This kind of shit drives me nuts! And to also add the other off sides after the interception our guy ran out of bounds and their player practically leveled him oh wait there's no fucking Flag for hitting a Texas player late not in their world.

Kirby put his hands on an opposing player and just laughed it off and the conference did nothing.   They are protected. 

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