UNLV starting QB: fuck this shit, I'm outta here (check bounced)

[Francisco 2.0 32,395]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv/unlv-football/unlv-rejected-casino-moguls-offer-to-pay-matthew-sluka-100k-3177877/?utm_campaign=widget&utm_medium=topnews&utm_source=sports&utm_term=UNLV+rejected+casino+mogul’s+offer+to+pay+Matthew+Sluka+%24100K&amp

 

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A representative for a local casino mogul reached out to UNLV officials Wednesday with an offer to pay the reported asking price of former quarterback Matthew Sluka.

But the conversation didn’t go far.

Sluka announced late Tuesday his intention to redshirt the remainder of the season over his belief that the school had failed to fulfill a verbal commitment to pay him $100,000. UNLV has disputed that claim.

 

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On Wednesday, Circa CEO Derek Stevens and vice president of operations Mike Palm decided it would be in the best interest of the community to do their part to help UNLV during a historic football season.

So Palm reached out to UNLV with an offer from Circa to pay the money and keep the Rebels’ starting quarterback on the team.

“Derek and I talked about the situation and thought it would be worth it for $100 thousand to keep the Rebels’ playoff hopes alive,” Palm told the Review-Journal on Thursday.

Palm said he was told almost immediately there was no chance of such a deal being worked out, as Sluka had already left the program and the relationship appeared to have soured.

 

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A university source confirmed the phone call took place.

Hajj-Malik Williams is expected to replace Sluka at quarterback, and bettors are backing the sixth-year transfer at Circa. UNLV is a 1.5-point favorite over Fresno State in Saturday’s game at Allegiant Stadium after the Bulldogs briefly were favored when news broke of Sluka’s departure.

“After seeing the number move back up, maybe it’s Hajj-Malik we should have been focused on,” Palm said.

The parties indicated a hope that the conversation could lead to an expanded relationship.

 

[immamac 42,876]

God damn this is gonna be hilarious if the new QB comes in rocks out and signs a 100K NIL deal. 

[BurntEyes 6,004]

My key take away from this thread, like some other folks..

I'm just really glad Texas NIL appears to have it's shit together and players seem well on page with whatever plan was created.

[52-80 19,203]

21 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

It's also head scratching to not be able to come up with $100k in LV.

Scoop: unknown bettor cashed in on a $1 prop-bet for matthew sluka transferring at 1:200,000 odds

[The Earl of Texas 3,156]

Fuck yeah, get this kid paid through a sketchy and below the board negotiation process with his 'agent' and go win football just like the pre-NIL days!!

[Dahobbs 17,626]

7 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

We’ll never know either way. However, the fact that the NFL needed a rule to prevent players from getting drafted out of high school suggests that teams would be drafting those kids if there wasn’t a rule. Given how hard it is to find a QB, I bet Arch would have gone pretty high straight out of high school just on potential. 

NFL roster limited would prevent any team from drafting a high school player. An NFL team simply can't afford to throw away valuable roster and even practice squad spots on developmental prospects that will take years to ever contribute. And given free agency, by the time a team finishes developing any such player, their contract would be up and all that money would have been spent training someone else's player. 

[FloridaHorn 4,769]

31 minutes ago, immamac said:

God damn this is gonna be hilarious if the new QB comes in rocks out and signs a 100K NIL deal. 

If he plays well, they will pay him just to spite Sluka.

[Cairn Horn88 8,277]

Sark’s response:

https://tinyurl.com/28k67n7d

Sark on UNLV debacle: Sign a contract!

Edited September 27 by Cairn Horn88

[Doc Daneeka 6,769]

Sarkisian said he doesn’t know the details but that people — whether the NIL guys, the player, someone in a relationship, whatever — need to follow through on their commitments. Seemed to me like a pretty solid answer.

['stache 21,825]

4 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Sarkisian said he doesn’t know the details but that people — whether the NIL guys, the player, someone in a relationship, whatever — need to follow through on their commitments. Seemed to me like a pretty solid answer.

Yeah I think if the assistant coach went rogue the head coach should have gone to the collective and said “Coach X fucked up, we’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again, but we really need you to come up with $100k for this kid.” I think the school can save face throwing the coach under the bus since it sounds like he really did fuck up, but they can’t save face that they couldn’t come up with $100k regardless of the flaws in the process. A good collective even at G5 should be able to get it figured out to save face.

Edited September 27 by 'stache

[kevwun 15,809]

Yes, the collective looks very bad because all they could offer was $3,000 for moving across the country.  They should have moved heaven and earth to cover what Marion promised him and then made sure it never happened again.  Instead they did just about everything they could to ensure this became an embarrassing national story.

Edited September 27 by kevwun

[horn009 139]

11 hours ago, Rimbo said:

every last one of y'all bitches who are bitching about the state of ncaa football due to the portal and the money can suck my big fat burnt orange dick

been saying for decades if paying players EVER got made legal, Texas would rule.

now remind me who the #1 ranked football team in the country is? with a roster so stacked their 2nd stringers would start almost everywhere else?

fucking us, that's who

and whatever happened in vegas can fucking stay there

hook em

I don't think that NIL will remain in its current state forever. More situations like the one at UNLV will inevitably happen, and it will cause a lot of schools to complain about it, especially since it causes legal issues for them. NIL complaints are already starting to mount as it is. Saban was in DC a few weeks ago talking about the need for national legislation in regard to NIL. I don't know how quickly it will come, but I think that NIL will eventually be regulated. 

[nnm 36,478]

10 minutes ago, horn009 said:

I don't think that NIL will remain in its current state forever. More situations like the one at UNLV will inevitably happen, and it will cause a lot of schools to complain about it, especially since it causes legal issues for them. NIL complaints are already starting to mount as it is. Saban was in DC a few weeks ago talking about the need for national legislation in regard to NIL. I don't know how quickly it will come, but I think that NIL will eventually be regulated. 

Oh, goody. The federal government will definitely fix everything that’s wrong with CFB. What could go wrong?!?

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

 

 

 

[orange dream 1,254]

56 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

NFL roster limited would prevent any team from drafting a high school player. An NFL team simply can't afford to throw away valuable roster and even practice squad spots on developmental prospects that will take years to ever contribute. And given free agency, by the time a team finishes developing any such player, their contract would be up and all that money would have been spent training someone else's player. 

Umm...

[Hermanator 7,120]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

 

 

[Doc Daneeka 6,769]

29 minutes ago, horn009 said:

I don't think that NIL will remain in its current state forever. More situations like the one at UNLV will inevitably happen, and it will cause a lot of schools to complain about it, especially since it causes legal issues for them. NIL complaints are already starting to mount as it is. Saban was in DC a few weeks ago talking about the need for national legislation in regard to NIL. I don't know how quickly it will come, but I think that NIL will eventually be regulated. 

Seems to me that contract law already applies to NIL, doesn’t it? What more do you need?

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,328]

I'm still waiting for someone to create the Transfer Portal Auction Site where a player could say fuck it, I'll transfer to whatever group pays me the most offers me the most NIL opportunities and just leave it up to the highest bidding group.  Would be like an escrowed GoFundMe that only the winning group pays out.

[bad_teammate 13,219]

1 hour ago, FloridaHorn said:

If he plays well, they will pay him just to spite Sluka.

[Rimbo 26,005]

44 minutes ago, horn009 said:

I don't think that NIL will remain in its current state forever. More situations like the one at UNLV will inevitably happen, and it will cause a lot of schools to complain about it, especially since it causes legal issues for them. NIL complaints are already starting to mount as it is. Saban was in DC a few weeks ago talking about the need for national legislation in regard to NIL. I don't know how quickly it will come, but I think that NIL will eventually be regulated. 

And that idea can go fuck itself, too. After SCOTUS delivered the NIL ruling to the players, they actually asked the players to BRING MORE LAWSUITS.

More regulation will just get slapped down, as it obviously should.

And in this case, if it gets to a lawsuit, the kid will win. There IS such a thing as a verbal agreement, there WAS a quid pro quo in place, and someone reneged on the deal. Ain't no lawyer here, but the kid's lawyer is gonna get paid.

[Rimbo 26,005]

51 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

 

"We're not going to pay the guy we didn't pay ever again!"

oh no

[General Specific 3,262]

"all I need is one more good night at the tables and I'll get you your money"

And this is the NIL no one is talking about. Las Vegas, the city’s NIL brand value took a hit here.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!

Apparently not!

[GlenFromTheMailRoom 1,613]

2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

‘Sticking with your team’ is all well and good, but then he loses another year of eligibility without getting the bag. Odds are he’s not gonna play pro football, so he should go get his $ while he can. And schools who need a good QB won’t care that he quit. I hope it works out for him.

This right here.  

In reality, most collectives are non-profit (you're welcome motherfuckers.) and have budgets.  If the money was already allocated then the response from the collective was warranted.  I can tell you from experience asking someone to come up with a $100k donation off the cuff is most likely going to be met with silence.  All parties look like idiots here.  Sluka for not getting it in writing, Marion for playing with money that isn't his, and UNLV for saying kick rocks when a third party offered to fix the fuck up.

Everyone here would tell their "employer" to fuck off if they verbally offered you a salary and after you started only honored 12% of it.

[General Specific 3,262]

[Not a cat 5,660]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I'm still waiting for someone to create the Transfer Portal Auction Site where a player could say fuck it, I'll transfer to whatever group pays me the most offers me the most NIL opportunities and just leave it up to the highest bidding group.  Would be like an escrowed GoFundMe that only the winning group pays out.

The site could require the fanbase to purchase subscriptions to show their love for the player.  Maybe call it something like "onlyfans"?

[PTINS 3,472]

23 hours ago, kevwun said:

The family fucked up by having absolutely no understanding of the process they were going through and not finding someone qualified to guide them through it.  I also think it's pretty clear the coaches made them financial promises that the UNLV collective couldn't meet.  If the school and collective don't have their shit together, it's pretty hard to blame the entire mess on the Sluka family. 

From what I read, the Sluka family, or their agent, never talked directly to the UNLV Collective, and I put 100% of the blame on the Sluka family. At some point in the process, before you sign the UNLV paperwork, the Sluka's should have had some follow-up conversations to confirm what was understood.

This in not buying a stolen TV in an alley behind a restaurant. 

Get something in writing, anything.

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

And that idea can go fuck itself, too. After SCOTUS delivered the NIL ruling to the players, they actually asked the players to BRING MORE LAWSUITS.

More regulation will just get slapped down, as it obviously should.

And in this case, if it gets to a lawsuit, the kid will win. There IS such a thing as a verbal agreement, there WAS a quid pro quo in place, and someone reneged on the deal. Ain't no lawyer here, but the kid's lawyer is gonna get paid.

All agreements are verbal. This would be similar to an oral agreement, though it is not obvious that anything was agreed upon, other than playing football and moving expenses. 

40 minutes ago, GlenFromTheMailRoom said:

This right here.  

In reality, most collectives are non-profit (you're welcome motherfuckers.) and have budgets.  If the money was already allocated then the response from the collective was warranted.  I can tell you from experience asking someone to come up with a $100k donation off the cuff is most likely going to be met with silence.  All parties look like idiots here.  Sluka for not getting it in writing, Marion for playing with money that isn't his, and UNLV for saying kick rocks when a third party offered to fix the fuck up.

Everyone here would tell their "employer" to fuck off if they verbally offered you a salary and after you started only honored 12% of it.

After the fact, there are a lot of different ways this could have played out.

The first thing I saw was the kid decided to quit and not play, redshirt and transfer, all very publicly. Game over.

This has probably been an issue for 2-3 months. The statement UNLV released is very clear in their position. Anything they said or did after the fact was going to be very public. 

Letting the third party pay them off?

Reminds be of Bill Clements, former Governor of Texas and SMU Alumnus, when asked why SMU kept paying players after they got caught; "We made a commitment to those kids."  That statement, as much as anything, is why they deserved what they got.

[Doc Daneeka 6,769]

2 minutes ago, PTINS said:

 

All agreements are verbal. This would be similar to an oral agreement, though it is not obvious that anything was agreed upon, other than playing football and moving expenses. 

 

Well, someone could nod, but excellent distinction between spoken and written agreements. The world needs more clarity. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,328]

8 minutes ago, PTINS said:

From what I read, the Sluka family, or their agent, never talked directly to the UNLV Collective, and I put 100% of the blame on the Sluka family. At some point in the process, before you sign the UNLV paperwork, the Sluka's should have had some follow-up conversations to confirm what was understood.

This in not buying a stolen TV in an alley behind a restaurant. 

Get something in writing, anything.

Would that have changed anything in this case? Let's pretend he had the 100K in writing and they just keep delaying payment until finally saying - yeah we can't pay that, we can only afford 3K a month.

Then what does the kid do?  

[Texas Wahoo 3,402]

10 minutes ago, PTINS said:

From what I read, the Sluka family, or their agent, never talked directly to the UNLV Collective, and I put 100% of the blame on the Sluka family. At some point in the process, before you sign the UNLV paperwork, the Sluka's should have had some follow-up conversations to confirm what was understood.

This in not buying a stolen TV in an alley behind a restaurant. 

Get something in writing, anything.

This is why the most reasonable explanation for the whole situation is that during the recruitment, Marion told Sluka that there would be a QB competition, but if he ended up being the starter, he would get $100k in NIL.  That would explain why nothing was in writing.  UNLV would have told Sluka that it could not be in writing because such a contract would be invalid, but they would put it in writing if and when he won the starting job.  He won the starting job and kept contacting UNLV and the collective about the money and they kept blowing him off, so he left.  Either Marion did not tell others about the promise, or they figured that they could come up with the money if necessary and  did not.

We will likely never know exactly what was said and by whom, but that explanation makes the most sense to me.

[kevwun 15,809]

Maybe the collective should have called the coaching staff and asked them why the Sluka's family keeps calling and asking about the money they aren't receiving.  Let's not pretend that the coaches didn't promise him money.  The Sluka's look like yokels in the this, but they didn't do anything nefarious.  The UNLV coaching staff did.

Edited September 27 by kevwun

[JBJ 3,662]

2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

And that idea can go fuck itself, too. After SCOTUS delivered the NIL ruling to the players, they actually asked the players to BRING MORE LAWSUITS.

More regulation will just get slapped down, as it obviously should.

And in this case, if it gets to a lawsuit, the kid will win. There IS such a thing as a verbal agreement, there WAS a quid pro quo in place, and someone reneged on the deal. Ain't no lawyer here, but the kid's lawyer is gonna get paid.

What? No.  Any new regulation would replace/amend Sherman Antitrust Law.  It couldn't get slapped down because it becomes the new governing law.

[PTINS 3,472]

26 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Would that have changed anything in this case? Let's pretend he had the 100K in writing and they just keep delaying payment until finally saying - yeah we can't pay that, we can only afford 3K a month.

Then what does the kid do?  

14 minutes ago, JBJ said:

What? No.  Any new regulation would replace/amend Sherman Antitrust Law.  It couldn't get slapped down because it becomes the new governing law.

This UNLV thing and is a big ball of shit and I'm glad we are not in it.

Sark deferring this conversation until the end of the process is one of the smartest things he's done.  It identifies the NIL chasers early and keeps them away from the more forward thinking players that are a better fit.

Government regulation is not the answer.  It will be so rigid it won't work, some people will always break the law, and we are back to the bag game we just got away from.

It seems like most schools have decent alignment between the Athletic Departments and their collectives, which minimizes a lot of issues. The most common theme seems to be funding the collectives, whether its Texas or Ohio State or UNLV. 

[markstanco 12,586]

3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

 

My life goal is to never, ever, piss off somebody that lives in Vegas with money. 

['stache 21,825]

42 minutes ago, JBJ said:

What? No.  Any new regulation would replace/amend Sherman Antitrust Law.  It couldn't get slapped down because it becomes the new governing law.

I think legislation would more likely just provide an exemption from antitrust laws.

[USC_TMB 405]

5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

 

I realize I’m old and all that, but does anyone else cringe at the thought of a casino in Vegas (with a huuuge sportsbook) ponying up to pay a player, then covering the action on his replacement and the games?? Everyone knows the shady “no-show” jobs and bagmen were/are a thing forever, but this might just be the ultimate over-the-line scenario I’ve seen. Just my opinion, but damn. Just do away with the “amateur” label and pay the players.

[Iceman 2,722]

A legit sanctioned, regulated sportsbook like Circa doesn’t need to influence outcomes of games, and they’d be ultimate morons to risk their gaming license over that behavior. 
 

I took it at face value of a Vegas business entity investing in its local image. Maybe I’m naive as hell, too. 

[Horn of Gabriel 1,648]

Doesn't UNLV have an actual giant slot machine on their sideline that they use for celebrations when they score or get a turnover? This ship between Vegas and college sports has sailed.

 

Edited September 27 by Horn of Gabriel

[GringoSalado 1,651]

How the fuck did the UNLV collective not have a deal with their starting QB? You would think somebody would've brought that up?

[Kwix 2,191]

 

38 minutes ago, GringoSalado said:

How the fuck did the UNLV collective not have a deal with their starting QB? You would think somebody would've brought that up?

They thought they could just drag their feet paying him till the season was over, then tell him to piss off "shoulda signed a contract"

[BurntEyes 6,004]

5 hours ago, Not a cat said:

The site could require the fanbase to purchase subscriptions to show their love for the player.  Maybe call it something like "onlyfans"?

You should monetize this idea.

[BurntEyes 6,004]

2 hours ago, Iceman said:

A legit sanctioned, regulated sportsbook like Circa doesn’t need to influence outcomes of games, and they’d be ultimate morons to risk their gaming license over that behavior. 
 

I took it at face value of a Vegas business entity investing in its local image. Maybe I’m naive as hell, too. 

Unless there is serious backroom embezzling going on, no book is going to get within a mile of a fix. 

Not only could any existing funds get seized but all future fund would cease to exist, potential jail time and even if it turned out to be false... your brand is a scat and petrol fueled dumpster of fire.

Edited September 27 by BurntEyes

[The Earl of Texas 3,156]

UNLV is about to come out smelling like a rose or smelling like dogshit and I'm Shrodinger's-here for it.

Secretly, I want new UNLVQB to ball out.

[Kwix 2,191]

I don't think the next guy up playing well is going to vindicate unlv. Nobody in their right mind believes sluka transfered with a promise of only $3k.

 

Unlv's reputation regarding NIL just took a big hit. 

[The Earl of Texas 3,156]

 

[WBT 20,638]

Maybe someone knew what they were doing letting Sluka-mania run wild out of town

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,328]

39 minutes ago, WBT said:

Maybe someone knew what they were doing letting Sluka-mania run wild out of town

At least will get another 3 games out of the new QB before he redshirts too

[Chooky 13,317]

301 yards, 4 td's and no turnovers. Your move, Sluka.

[The Earl of Texas 3,156]

"I'll settle for an additional relocation fee"

[Hermanator 7,120]

I'm guessing they didn't reach out to have the money paid because they felt the other QB was just as good. What sucks is it seems like Marion promised the kid the money and then screwed him over. I'm glad that piece of shit only lasted one season here with Sark.

[Rimbo 26,005]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:40 AM, Kwix said:

I don't think the next guy up playing well is going to vindicate unlv. Nobody in their right mind believes sluka transfered with a promise of only $3k.

 

Unlv's reputation regarding NIL just took a big hit. 

 

19 hours ago, The Earl of Texas said: