The Veep Debate - Walz v. Vance, 9pm EST Tuesday, Oct 1st

[kevwun 15789]

Weird how they get so mad about not being able to lie indiscriminately.  Almost like it's all they can do.

[SizzleChest 8284]

46 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

A lot of the people who are paying attention and have been paying attention for months, we aren't the audience for this. We've grown accustomed to the clapbacks, epic takedowns, and general theatrics. We winced at several missed opportunities to rip Vance's head off and shit down his neck, but that's because we know how much of a danger and liar Vance is.

The people who were just barely getting to know these candidates aren't looking for the things we're looking for. I think that's why Walz's results are exceeding what we thought they'd be.

The biggest dragging EVAR in a VP debate, total and complete nuclear missile launched was by Lloyd Bentsen.  Outcome?  Dukakis got booty blasted.  This shit is only meaningful on the far-end of the margins, if at all.

 

['stache 21816]

22 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

 

19 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Vance’s oh shit moment when he got asked about who won the 2020 election wasn’t because he felt bad about being evasive, it was because he knew Trump wanted a full throated defense of his false claims

I really didn't understand his "Trump saved Obamacare" strategy either, can't imagine many on the right like that response considering they've called it a socialist hellscape for so long. If it was so bad how was it salvagable?

[SizzleChest 8284]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen. It's pretty obvious that something horrible has happened to this woman and she's fucking damaged. And I don't mean the part where MAGA threatened to kill her. And I don't even mean her fucking Roger Aisles to get and keep her job, which explains her weird projection with Kamala Harris. And I don't have any idea what this damage was, was it in her youth, her adolescence, young adulthood? I don't know. But what I do know is something particuarly fucking dark had to happen to explain this shit:

 

I mean she was human trafficked to a bunch of centaurs from Narnia who wore her out all day every day for years kind of dark. 

Ailes' tiny schwanz had the texture and consistency of a sea cucumber.  Pile on record setting, eye-watering, disgusting loads of smegma and the result is trauma that no amount of therapy or pharmacologics can fix.

[Js1 85341]

6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

I really didn't understand his "Trump saved Obamacare" strategy either, can't imagine many on the right like that response considering they've called it a socialist hellscape for so long. If it was so bad how was it salvagable?

Remember, they love the Affordable Care Act. They hate Obamacare. Get government out of my healthcare!

[Longhorn_Fan68 33871]

19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

 

I really didn't understand his "Trump saved Obamacare" strategy either, can't imagine many on the right like that response considering they've called it a socialist hellscape for so long. If it was so bad how was it salvagable?

 

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Remember, they love the Affordable Care Act. They hate Obamacare. Get government out of my healthcare!

this plus he saved it by first almost getting it repealed and then saying nah, basically. that was him saving. he didn't axe it.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5388]

6 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

 

[Chewbacca 7780]

7 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

He will endorse whoever pays him for his endorsement. And that shit will fucking happen. If Donald trump loses, after the chaos that ensues, the rest of his life will be a combination of court rooms, and being paid to appear and endorse other candidates and rally and grift. 

He is not handing over control of the party as long as he lives.

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38 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I really didn't understand his "Trump saved Obamacare" strategy either, can't imagine many on the right like that response considering they've called it a socialist hellscape for so long. If it was so bad how was it salvagable?

Trump has been bitching this week that he's not getting enough credit for Operation Warp Speed.  His based is constantly getting gaslighted or whatever.

[Chewbacca 7780]

6 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I'm re-watching, and there's a lot of ammo here for painting Vance as insincere, disingenuous, and elitist. He denied the pregnancy registry that's part of Project 2025, the people for whom he's writing forewords

Yep, he did what he always does.  He flooded the zone with easily disprovable lies.

[Chewbacca 7780]

50 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Weird how they get so mad about not being able to lie indiscriminately.  Almost like it's all they can do.

That part just killed me.  There's supposed to be no fact checking!

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49 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Yep, he did what he always does.  He flooded the zone with easily disprovable lies.

He's good at absorbing the truth being thrown in his face and then spitting out bullshit.

 

[Tuco 5076]

Her kids were all conceived via IVF.

Oh, so she probably murdered dozens of babies, if you believe the prolifers.

[RomaVicta 29908]

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

The biggest dragging EVAR in a VP debate, total and complete nuclear missile launched was by Lloyd Bentsen.  Outcome?  Dukakis got booty blasted.  This shit is only meaningful on the far-end of the margins, if at all.

 

After that, Bentsen was who most wanted to be president. 

I agree that VP debates have not traditionally moved the needle much, but this is no traditional race. 

Walz was largely unknown to those not following the Harris assumption of the candidacy. We're running against hate. I think the presence of an honestly good person of great capability is not to be discounted. This is a further credit to not that well known Kamala Harris as the real thing. 

This is also non-traditional in that we have a candidate representing an existential threat to the republic with a large following of people who should be his enemies just as he is to them.

I.W.

[RomaVicta 29908]

17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's good at absorbing the truth being thrown in his face and then spitting out bullshit.

 

[SizzleChest 8284]

10 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

After that, Bentsen was who most wanted to be president. 

I agree that VP debates have not traditionally moved the needle much, but this is no traditional race. 

Walz was largely unknown to those not following the Harris assumption of the candidacy. We're running against hate. I think the presence of an honestly good person of great capability is not to be discounted. This is a further credit to not that well known Kamala Harris as the real thing. 

This is also non-traditional in that we have a candidate representing an existential threat to the republic with a large following of people who should be his enemies just as he is to them.

I.W.

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump has been bitching this week that he's not getting enough credit for Operation Warp Speed.  His based is constantly getting gaslighted or whatever.

Probably because the last time he mentioned the vaccine at one of his rallies he got booed and never brought it up again. 

[WhatTheBuck 28783]

In case you missed it last night, here’s the link to the CBS fact-checking page for the VP debate:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-vp-debate-2024/

[SydneyCarton 48107]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

He's good at absorbing the truth being thrown in his face and then spitting out bullshit.

 

I assume this is from his senate run? What year is this?

[Js1 85341]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I assume this is from his senate run? What year is this?

2022

[TwiceHorn 31478]

5 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Yep. I had the same thoughts last night. As a litigator, I would have made Vance choke on his words… and possibly made him look sympathetic in the process. Walz responded with affirmative statements of his own positions and policies, delivered like a regular Joe just trying to do the right thing. My sense is that will resonate better with the people that matter.
 

Walz seemed rough around the edges, but genuine. Vance came across as a garden variety slick, lying politician.

I think that holds true in court, too.  Seems like about half or more of jurors like a kind of down-home, yet still competent lawyer over a very polished one.  I know a few trial lawyers that cultivate that, including wearing brown suits or tweed sport coats in trial.

[BrickHorn 18236]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that holds true in court, too.  Seems like about half or more of jurors like a kind of down-home, yet still competent lawyer over a very polished one.  I know a few trial lawyers that cultivate that, including wearing brown suits or tweed sport coats in trial.

Indeed. The best cross I’ve ever seen was an East Texas local counsel who took that “aw shucks” approach and just devastated an expert witness with it. 

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[Chewbacca 7780]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that holds true in court, too.  Seems like about half or more of jurors like a kind of down-home, yet still competent lawyer over a very polished one.  I know a few trial lawyers that cultivate that, including wearing brown suits or tweed sport coats in trial.

We had a partner in the San Antonio Arthur Andersen office in the late 90s who had a big southern drawl but was as smart as they come.  We got pulled into some transaction one of our big clients was contemplating and the lawyers and investment bankers were trying to tell this good ole boy how it was going to be and what they were going to do.  They laid everything out for him and spent probably an hour laying out the transaction.  After they were done, he just looked at them and said "Well, that dog just ain't gonna hunt.  And I'll tell you why..." and proceeded to tear their deal apart.  They left the room with their tails between their legs. It was great.  

[Horn Dog 9858]

5 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

They dared to mute Vance when he tried to expound on his lie that the Haitians in Springfield are illegals.

 

 

 I love this whole concept Vance has latched on to that if you personally believe that a law is wrong, then you can just unilaterally declare it invalid.  He doesn’t like the law that these Haitians used to legally migrate so he says he considers them “illegals”.  I am no ivy league trained lawyer but even to me that sure seems problematic.  

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16 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Indeed. The best cross I’ve ever seen was an East Texas local counsel who took that “aw shucks” approach and just devastated an expert witness with it. 

19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that holds true in court, too.  Seems like about half or more of jurors like a kind of down-home, yet still competent lawyer over a very polished one.  I know a few trial lawyers that cultivate that, including wearing brown suits or tweed sport coats in trial.

9 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

We had a partner in the San Antonio Arthur Andersen office in the late 90s who had a big southern drawl but was as smart as they come.  We got pulled into some transaction one of our big clients was contemplating and the lawyers and investment bankers were trying to tell this good ole boy how it was going to be and what they were going to do.  They laid everything out for him and spent probably an hour laying out the transaction.  After they were done, he just looked at them and said "Well, that dog just ain't gonna hunt.  And I'll tell you why..." and proceeded to tear their deal apart.  They left the room with their tails between their legs. It was great.  

 

[Biff Tannen 45688]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

In case you missed it last night, here’s the link to the CBS fact-checking page for the VP debate:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-check-vp-debate-2024/

My immediate thought when he complained about the fact checking:

 

 

[BamaATL 16593]

If ever you find yourself in a big level meeting, and one person sticks out like a sore thumb, it's more than likely that they are there for a reason.  I've seen this play out multiple times with fast talking slicksters that think they have all the leverage and what not, and wind up getting embarrassed.  Good rule of thumb, if someone is in the room with you in a meeting always assume they may well be the boss.  

[Sawbonz 27564]

Nvm didn’t read far enough down 

Edited October 3 by Sawbonz

[Sawbonz 27564]

2 hours ago, Tuco said:

Oh, so she probably murdered dozens of babies, if you believe the prolifers.

I left the population of red china in socks and towels from age 13 to 17

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18 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I left the population of red china in socks and towels from age 13 to 17

[Pato del Muerto 52499]

You guys stopped?

[SimonBolivar 10958]

5 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

He is not handing over control of the party as long as he lives.

Which is great if he loses next month. The shit show in 28 would be fantastic if he ran again.

[Sawbonz 27564]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You guys stopped?

Two biggest liars

guy who says he never jerked off

guy who says he’s stopped

[F250 28777]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

I left the population of red china in socks and towels from age 13 to 17

 

[hayden_horn 11362]

i'm trying to think of a word to describe someone like jd vance.

i guess, soullessly clever? 

i guess? hey your hometown doesn't make shit any longer, but you can manufacture the fuck out of outrage, can't you

[hookemATL 11736]

2 hours ago, BamaATL said:

if someone is in the room with you in a meeting always assume they may well be the boss.  

This is especially true if you are engaged in the act of sexual intercourse with Bruce Springsteen. 

[Chewbacca 7780]

Which is great if he loses next month. The shit show in 28 would be fantastic if he ran again.

I'd love to see him run the party from prison.

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[Dnaguy 11964]

8 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

i'm trying to think of a word to describe someone like jd vance.

i guess, soullessly clever? 

i guess? hey your hometown doesn't make shit any longer, but you can manufacture the fuck out of outrage, can't you

He’s a ChatGPT candidate . A large language model version of a human politician.

His somehow presents as something a human would say and do….. but lacks any depth or warmth.

Hes the difference between a short story you ask ChatGPT to write and one written by a real author. Even if it’s sampling the real authors work, it can’t truly replicate it when you parse it out.

Edited October 3 by Dnaguy

[Js1 85341]

 

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[Js1 85341]

Vance: lie lie lie, whine about fact checking, lie lie lie

Media:

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31478]

18 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Ackshually, that's not what I meant.  I meant a nice guy like Walz that doesn't let himself get steamrolled, seems to know what he's doing, but isn't smug or overly impressed with himself.  Some of those guys may act country, but they're assholes.

Many or maybe most jurors anticipate lawyers being "slick" and "sharp," not unlike people watching politicians.  So they kind of have their guard up for that kind of thing, expecting spin and perhaps a casual relationship with truth.

When they encounter someone that seems earnest and sincere, they react positively, generally speaking.  Or, as one of my colleagues once said "when you've learned to fake sincerity, you have got it down."

Edited October 3 by TwiceHorn

[Red Five 40859]

20 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Vance: lie lie lie, whine about fact checking, lie lie lie

Media:

 

 

I honestly thought at first it was a NY Times Pitchbot deal.

[wildcat09 29354]

21 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Vance: lie lie lie, whine about fact checking, lie lie lie

Media:

 

 

You know, if Trump does end up winning I think I'm actually going to be ok with it when he has all these fuckers lined up and shot despite all the work they did for him. 

[Chewbacca 7780]

48 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Vance: lie lie lie, whine about fact checking, lie lie lie

Media:

 

 

I'll patiently wait for the piece they put out on Vance that says "JD Vance has a tendency to lie every time he opens his mouth.  It may haunt the campaign."

[mdmost 43002]

46 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Vance: lie lie lie, whine about fact checking, lie lie lie

Media:

 

 

This is all such tiresome both sides-ism. Did anything Walz misspoke about cause bomb threats in a community? Did his misspeak deny an election outcome? Vance can straight up invent a massive lie and conspire to keep a lie going and this is what the press is writing articles about?

[Brisketexan 105144]

21 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This is all such tiresome both sides-ism. Did anything Walz misspoke about cause bomb threats in a community? Did his misspeak deny an election outcome? Vance can straight up invent a massive lie and conspire to keep a lie going and this is what the press is writing articles about?

Vance: Haitians are eating babies!  Kamala Harris once nuked Iowa!  Tim Walz wants college football to be played only by gay Panamanians!

Walz: Once told his wife that an outfit looked nice on her when it actually did not look nice and made her look a touch frumpy.

Media: "BOTH VP CANDIDATES HAVE BIG PROBLEMS WITH DISHONESTY!"

Edited October 3 by Brisketexan

[Da Fino 2783]

On 10/2/2024 at 7:20 AM, immamac said:

Debates after this election must be fact checked in real time and in between answers instead of the next question the moderator should correct any incorrect information and not give the person a chance to respond. 

This will never ever, ever, ever, happen.