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Storm the Field
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Lifelong Astros diehard here, but I might have to find a new team with a less annoying fanbase.  I'd have been much more pissed at keeping Tucker and letting him walk for nothing this offseason t

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I'm still just excited and happy I lived during this era of astros baseball after 35+ plus years of misery. Don't care what they do. I got to watch my team hang 2 world series titles in my life and s

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If you bitch and complain about Crane spending you either don’t know ball or you have no recollection of Drayton and the early Luhnow years. Crane has too much involvement in baseball ops and needs to

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23 minutes ago, UTPhil2006 said:

We're paying Grienkes so yes. But everything is negotiable 

I still contend it should try to be Press to STL for Arenado and then work out the money. 

Yikes, that's 42m over 3 years in salary plus 50m deferred. He's 33, so no guarantee he's actually worth it for the next 3 years. Lance costs 35m the next 2 years, Pressley is 14m, so they would cover about half of Arenados cost by sending them out. 

I don't see why they want to get him if they just got Paredes to play third for a much cheaper cost over the next 3 years. I would rather see them sign Walker as a free agent with no cost in players and find another OF or two. Unless STL is including one of their Outfielders in the deal, I don't think it's worth the cost. 

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3 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Yikes, that's 42m over 3 years in salary plus 50m deferred. He's 33, so no guarantee he's actually worth it for the next 3 years. Lance costs 35m the next 2 years, Pressley is 14m, so they would cover about half of Arenados cost by sending them out. 

I don't see why they want to get him if they just got Paredes to play third for a much cheaper cost over the next 3 years. I would rather see them sign Walker as a free agent with no cost in players and find another OF or two. Unless STL is including one of their Outfielders in the deal, I don't think it's worth the cost. 

I think it's STL willingness to eat or absorb money (Press, etc) that makes it a fit 

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15 minutes ago, UTPhil2006 said:

I think it's STL willingness to eat or absorb money (Press, etc) that makes it a fit 

For sure. Presley isn’t enough. Unless they want to include an OF as well and solve both our problems for a net of 3/75 (after they take back Presley) for Arenado, which would be cool I guess. Then, you could trade Framber strictly for prospects or keep him and figure you have at least a conceivable chance at a pennant. 
Altuve, Yordan, Paredes, Diaz, Lars N, Arrenado, Chas, Pena, Meyers is a better lineup than what we trotted out there most days last year. 
Costs 100M which is cheaper than last years lineup. And we’d have picked up some salary relief and top prospect in minor leagues. If that’s all we did that would be an ok off season.  

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4 minutes ago, UTHornFan014 said:

I'd prefer Walker and Santander 

Which probably means we will get Maldy and Myles Straw

Walker and Santander and this team fucks. Like, best batting order in years:

Altuve, Yordan, Walker, Santander, Diaz, Paredes, Chas, pena, Meyers. 
Thats better than any lineup since 19 I think. If Chas has a bounce back year and meyers and pena combine to be a composite league average. 

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5 minutes ago, Jshep34 said:

Bring back ensberg or truby to play 3rd.

Bill Spiers or gtfo 

10 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Who you going to trust more than Baerga?  And someone translating his Spanish at that?  
have faith. 

We're gonna get him Arenado and Bregman so that we have 4 3B 2 DH a P a C and 0 OF 

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Just looking through some predictions for contracts on these guys for fun:

Walker: some say 3 years for 50-75m, or a 1 year 20-27m deal. Seems like a lot, but I do like the short term option for flexibility. 

Santander: 5 years 88-150m or something longer that spreads out the cost more. He's 30, so anything beyond 4-5 years is going to be during his decline. Still worth it if they can get him to replace Tucker. 

I just don't think they have the available cash to sign 2 guys at that salary. Until they move other contracts, they are kinda stuck looking for bargains. That Abreu 3rd year still stings, as that money would likely get you Walker for a 1 year rental. 

I can see the STL deal being appealing because you move the other money at the same time, and potentially get an OF with a couple years of control. That would plug 2 holes at once, shift cash around nicely, and provide some future flexibility. I'm not sure what prospect would need to go to STL in that deal, but it would be nice to get it all done at once. I hope one of those paths work out at least, and we don't end up with some shit like Grichuk and Gallo.

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16 hours ago, Storm the Field said:

Lifelong Astros diehard here, but I might have to find a new team with a less annoying fanbase. 

I'd have been much more pissed at keeping Tucker and letting him walk for nothing this offseason than actually getting value for him now.

 If this was all we were going to get for him in return we would have been better off trading him at the trade deadline but hey man you do you...

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18 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

 If this was all we were going to get for him in return we would have been better off trading him at the trade deadline but hey man you do you...

How is it not a good return? Do you have a history that shows a 1 year rental that got more? You got back an all star that can start at either corner spot and is under control until 2028.  A solid arm that could be a 3/4 starter and 1st round pick last year that signed for over $5million, the Astros entire pool last year was $5.9 million.

 

This is a good trade today and could be an excellent trade in a couple of years.

I don’t know what more anyone could have expected.

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31 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

 If this was all we were going to get for him in return we would have been better off trading him at the trade deadline but hey man you do you...

Why?

I don't think you'd get more for him at the trading deadline since he'd be a half-season rental at that point and I much prefer going into the 2025 season without all the drama around Tucker's contract situation. I am at peace with this deal and optimistic--we could not afford another Springer/Correa situation with the player walking without any assets returned to our system.

13 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

This is a good trade today and could be an excellent trade in a couple of years.

I don’t know what more anyone could have expected.

100% agree

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3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Kepler and Verdugo are 2 cheap corner OF options that have good upside.  I prefer Verdugo but both make sense if Houston spends all their other money on 1B or SP.

I am warming up with Verdugo, we need both of them. Verdugo can likely play against R/L, but Kepler would likely be a strong side platoon guy.

I'd feel immensely better about the OF situation with Verdugo, Chas, and Kepler. Then you could use Dezenzo as the platoon partner with Kepler. Meyers can be the 5th OF.

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14 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Kepler and Verdugo are 2 cheap corner OF options that have good upside.  I prefer Verdugo but both make sense if Houston spends all their other money on 1B or SP.

Counterpoint to Verdugo…have you ever seen his face? It is immensely punchable and I don’t think I can watch that for 162+

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2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Counterpoint to Verdugo…have you ever seen his face? It is immensely punchable and I don’t think I can watch that for 162+

He's also been a huge douche every time he plays here. 

10 minutes ago, WBT said:

But we'd be playing Arenado every day presumably 

For ~15 mil yeah 

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2 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Just looking through some predictions for contracts on these guys for fun:

Walker: some say 3 years for 50-75m, or a 1 year 20-27m deal. Seems like a lot, but I do like the short term option for flexibility. 

Santander: 5 years 88-150m or something longer that spreads out the cost more. He's 30, so anything beyond 4-5 years is going to be during his decline. Still worth it if they can get him to replace Tucker. 

I just don't think they have the available cash to sign 2 guys at that salary. Until they move other contracts, they are kinda stuck looking for bargains. That Abreu 3rd year still stings, as that money would likely get you Walker for a 1 year rental. 

I can see the STL deal being appealing because you move the other money at the same time, and potentially get an OF with a couple years of control. That would plug 2 holes at once, shift cash around nicely, and provide some future flexibility. I'm not sure what prospect would need to go to STL in that deal, but it would be nice to get it all done at once. I hope one of those paths work out at least, and we don't end up with some shit like Grichuk and Gallo.

I think if you sign one FA that requires draft compensation then they should just go crazy with it. 

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2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Astros don’t seem to recognize the difference between bringing in a guy who is 32 and late in his prime (like McCann and Brantley) vs bringing in a guy 34+ who has already shown clear signs of decline (like Beltran and Abreu).

But those guys take 3 year deals don't you see?

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