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24/25 Astros Offseason thread


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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

Man… y’all some ungrateful assholes turning on Bregs like this.  He’s a top tier Astro player in Astro history, simply for being a key element of both WS winning seasons.  Don’t try to wedge in every lovable Astro ahead of him.  
 

Put some respeck on the man’s name.   What’s happening now is just business.  He already gave the organization a discount on some of his prime seasons once.   

Yep.  I already said I hope he rapes the Astros front office for all the pennies he can....especially after the Arenado debacle.  

 

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:


4) he had a full no trade clause

This is the biggest issue to me.  He has too many rights.  He pretty much strongarmed it to one team and one team only so of course they arent going to give us shit.  

If we could have had all the teams as an option I bet we would have done better even with all other things considered....especially when it was known we were gonna end up sending $$ too.

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1 hour ago, Guadaloopy said:

He already gave the organization a discount on some of his prime seasons once.   

Picking nits, but nothing was “given”.  He signed a deal exchanging presumed market value for security.  His next deal, unless he wants to go one year at a time, will have the same bargain presumed of it.  
 

The negativity is because it doesn’t look like there’s a better deal out there and the Astros are showing a lot of restraint in leaving their offer on the table.  It’s probably not altruistic on their part, as Bergman’s “butts in seats” value is probably higher in Houston than elsewhere (plus, there’s not another obvious candidate to spend the Bregman money on currently), but it’s also out there helping Bregman establish a floor in negotiations with other teams. 

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

Picking nits, but nothing was “given”.  He signed a deal exchanging presumed market value for security.  His next deal, unless he wants to go one year at a time, will have the same bargain presumed of it.  
 

The negativity is because it doesn’t look like there’s a better deal out there and the Astros are showing a lot of restraint in leaving their offer on the table.  It’s probably not altruistic on their part, as Bergman’s “butts in seats” value is probably higher in Houston than elsewhere (plus, there’s not another obvious candidate to spend the Bregman money on currently), but it’s also out there helping Bregman establish a floor in negotiations with other teams. 

Or you could pocket that money over the next six years and get a longterm deal done with Brown and/or Framber. We have replaced Bregman's offensive production twofold in Paredes and Walker. What we don't need is Altuve or Paredes playing LF, instead go sign a real MLB caliber OF to play LF or at least compete with the OFs already in the org.

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10 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Picking nits, but nothing was “given”.  

Completely agree.  It was a mutually beneficial extension.  As things played out, the Astros extracted significant value out of that contract.  That's what I mean by "gave."  From strictly a $$$/WAR perspective, Bregs gave the organization more than it paid for.

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10 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Or you could pocket that money over the next six years and get a longterm deal done with Brown and/or Framber. We have replaced Bregman's offensive production twofold in Paredes and Walker. What we don't need is Altuve or Paredes playing LF, instead go sign a real MLB caliber OF to play LF or at least compete with the OFs already in the org.

We also need another left handed hitter. Signing Bergman to a 6 year deal when he’s already had dropping production and a shoulder injury is not the answer.

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23 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Or you could pocket that money over the next six years and get a longterm deal done with Brown and/or Framber.

Bregman money isn’t coming at their expense unless you subscribe to bullshit baseball owner economics.  If Brown and Brown want to make a deal there’s plenty of money for that and both of those guys should be able to moved absent LMJ type arm catastrophe (I.e., in case the teams ends up shitty inspite of them).  

20 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Bergman to a 6 year deal when he’s already had dropping production and a shoulder injury

More valid, imo.  

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8 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Reds signed Austin Hays today for 1-$5M. I'd reach out to see if we could get Benson on the cheap. Perfect guy to platoon in RF.

This is the kind of off season baseball shit I love. 
No other sport can match baseball’s ability to mimic me in the kitchen:

adding ingredients and hoping the recipe works.

And this chili definitely needs more cumin.

 

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