College basketball rule changes

[Machinator 32099]

https://www.ncaa.org/about/flexibility-going-pro-and-getting-degree

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Flexibility for going pro and getting a degree
Updated Aug. 8, 2018

Basketball student-athletes have more freedom and flexibility to decide about going pro or getting a college education, and they can receive financial assistance if they leave school early and wish to return later to finish their degree. Changes include:

More chances to visit colleges during and after high school
Basketball student-athletes can make more frequent campus visits paid for by colleges (referred to as official visits), which can begin as soon as Aug. 1 the summer before their junior year in high school. They can take:

Five visits between Aug. 1 and the end of their junior year of high school.
Five visits between the end of their junior year and Oct. 15 after high school graduation.
Five visits between Oct. 15 after high school graduation and the remainder of their college eligibility.
A student-athlete can visit a school only once per year. Unofficial visits — those made at his or her own expense — cannot begin before Aug. 1 of the student’s sophomore year of high school.

Schools now can pay for 28 official visits for recruits (34 for national service academies) over a rolling, two-year period.

These rules are effective Aug. 15, 2018.

Agent representation for high school students
Pending a decision by the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association, high school basketball players can be represented by an agent beginning July 1 before their senior year in high school, provided they have been identified as an elite senior prospect by USA Basketball.

The effective date will be decided if/when the NBA and the NBPA permit high school students to enter the draft.

Agent representation for college students
College basketball players can be represented by an agent beginning after any basketball season if they request an evaluation from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee.

This rule change is effective immediately.

Agents can pay for expenses
Agents can pay for meals and transportation for players and their families if the expenses are related to the agent selection process. Also, the student cannot miss class, and the money must be spent where the student lives or attends school. Additionally, high school and college student-athletes and their families can have meals, transportation and lodging paid for by an agent if those expenses are associated with meetings with the agent or a pro team.

These changes are subject to revisions to the Uniform Athlete Agents Act, Revised Uniform Athlete Agents Act and relevant state laws. If/when those are changed, the new rules are effective immediately.

Agent agreements
All agreements between agents and high school or college student-athletes must be:

In writing.
Terminated when the student enrolls in or returns to college.
Disclosed to the NCAA (for high school students) or the school (for students already in college).
This change is effective immediately.

Agent certification
To work with a high school or college athlete, agents must be certified by an NCAA program with standards for behavior and consequences for violations. Family members of the high school recruit or college athlete or those who act solely on behalf of a professional sports team aren’t required to be certified.

The deadline for agents to become certified is undetermined but will not be later than Aug. 1, 2020. Until then, NBPA-certified agents will be considered NCAA certified.

Making informed decisions
Since 2016, college athletes who are interested in going pro have been able to declare for the draft and attend the NBA combine but have been required to withdraw no more than 10 days after the combine to stay eligible. Now, students who wish to enter the draft also must request an evaluation from the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee, which will provide valuable information to assist student-athletes in making the decision to turn pro or stay in school.

This rule change is effective immediately.

NBA draft flexibility
College basketball players who request an Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluation, participate in the NBA combine and aren’t drafted can return to school as long as they notify their athletics director of their intent by 5 p.m. the Monday after the draft.

This change is effective if/when the NBA and NBPA make an expected rule change, which would make undrafted student-athletes who return to college after the draft ineligible for the NBA until the end of the next college basketball season.

Degree completion assistance
Division I schools will be required to pay for tuition, fees and books for basketball players who leave school and return later to the same school to earn their degree. Former student-athletes will be eligible for financial assistance to complete their first degree if they were on scholarship and fewer than 10 years have passed since they left school. Additionally, students must have been in school for two years before leaving. Former student-athletes also must meet all the school’s admissions and financial aid requirements and must have exhausted all other funding options to be eligible, as well as meet all NCAA academic requirements.

This rule change is effective Aug. 1, 2019.

NCAA fund for degree completion
The NCAA is establishing a fund for schools that are otherwise unable to provide financial aid for basketball players to return to school. The fund will be available to schools defined as limited-resource by the NCAA Division I Academic Performance Program.

 

[Goo Punch 4275]

bout time.

[d2o 1602]

Some positive steps here.   I think the most important is allowing undrafted kids to come back to school

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this being only for "elite" players.   I think the market would work that out anyway.

Edited August 8, 2018 by d2o

[Machinator 32099]

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10301]

So how does this work allowing them to come back and coaches recruiting and knowing how many scholarships they have available, just based on the timing of things?

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

32 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

So how does this work allowing them to come back and coaches recruiting and knowing how many scholarships they have available, just based on the timing of things?

My immediate thought as well.  

[Don Johnson 4754]

31 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

So how does this work allowing them to come back and coaches recruiting and knowing how many scholarships they have available, just based on the timing of things?

Pretty tough to manage.  You have 13 scholarships per school.  You have 700 kids transfer per year now in D-1 and you have kids that may or may not leave every year.  And with no downside, you know the declarations for the draft will go way up.  You're going to end up with a lot of schools that find out in June that they only will have 10-11 scholarship players for the next season.

Walk-ons will benefit though.  The schollie needs to be used somewhere for that season.

[d2o 1602]

35 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

So how does this work allowing them to come back and coaches recruiting and knowing how many scholarships they have available, just based on the timing of things?

You will run into some instances where the players will want to come back and they  may not be wanted anymore.   It will be interesting to see how that is handled.

[kopp0e 1135]

So as long as a player goes without an agent, could a player potentially transfer from say Indiana to Syracuse, or even within conference..? 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10301]

24 minutes ago, d2o said:

You will run into some instances where the players will want to come back and they  may not be wanted anymore.   It will be interesting to see how that is handled.

Coaches aren't likely to turn away most kids who are on that bubble... I would think this hurts the HS recruits more than anything. Likely some late offer/signing type situations where kids are left up in the air until July in some cases.

[d2o 1602]

58 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Coaches aren't likely to turn away most kids who are on that bubble... I would think this hurts the HS recruits more than anything. Likely some late offer/signing type situations where kids are left up in the air until July in some cases.

True for the most part.   It's the borderline guys that will be more in limbo.

[kopp0e 1135]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Coaches aren't likely to turn away most kids who are on that bubble... I would think this hurts the HS recruits more than anything. Likely some late offer/signing type situations where kids are left up in the air until July in some cases.

In that case, is it a "win win" for JUCO schools..?

[Machinator 32099]

NCAA handling things well, as usual.

 

[d2o 1602]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

NCAA handling things well, as usual.

 

good grief

[PittsburghTiger 6190]

As long as nothing adversely impacts the NCAA billions of $$$ TV contracts, well, then I am cool with it.

[Bartles 769]

Woj and several other writers point out that hardly any players will hire the agent, go undrafted and come back to school. They obviously want to turn pro, and it's better to do that as a 19-year-old or whatever rather than go back to college ball where it's rare to increase your draft value much from one year to the next - while obviously becoming a year older. Those kids will just try to land in G League, Summer League, international.

Most of us college fans have this romantic idea that the kids would rather come back to campus and be part of a Sweet 16 push or whatever. But the reality is they want to get paid (NBA or otherwise) and the age clocks are always ticking.

[realgreggym 835]

This may cause more harm than good. Will some kids benefit? Probably but like has been pointed out, it makes things more difficult for coaches to manage a program. Some kids will go this route that have no business doing so and if I am a coach, I might just recruit past this kid.

Of course, every kid wants to go to the league and as soon as possible but sometimes spending a year or two in college makes sense from a maturity  level.. There are too many kids out of school, their NBA dreams gone and no clue what to do next. 

[Trey3216 15347]

It’s the NCAA asking for a cut of the action getting “elite prospects” to the UNC, Duke, KU, and UK’s of the world.  They figure the hamdlers are already getting theirs, May as well join the party and keep the tourney moderately interesting

Edited August 9, 2018 by Trey3216

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dont-fooled-ncaas-smoke-mirrors-rule-changes-power-grab-022236136.html

The NCAA on Wednesday increased its investigation power by providing itself de facto subpoena power over nearly anyone involved in college athletics. Likewise, it gave itself the ability to accept outside investigations as fact without confirming the findings itself. Meanwhile, it announced it is establishing more forceful penalties for rule violators.

This here is a doubling down on the NCAA rule book that holds the concept of amateurism sacred … at least to college athletics’ bottom line.

Mostly, it was a power grab disguised as “reform.”

The NCAA claims it “delivered on a promise” and made “profound and meaningful changes” to college basketball in response to last year’s federal indictments within the sport.

Except there were neither profound changes nor meaningful changes, let alone both. There were hardly any changes at all, actually. There may have been a promise that was delivered on, but to whom that promise mattered, other than the NCAA itself, remains a question.

Don’t buy the hype, the spin or the few common-sense concessions that were long overdue.

use fear of lost eligibility to prevent players from exploring professional options while also assuring their rosters were set by early spring.

It’s good this is gone, but it’ll likely effect just a handful of kids a year and it’s still equal to what hockey and baseball players enjoy.

Meaningful and purposeful? Not quite.

This was all about enforcement, which is to say this was about protecting the money. It’s about not even bothering to address the free-market value of players, making a move toward the Olympic model that allows for sponsorship or endorsement opportunities or even truly protecting student-athletes.

 

[Swearengen 17]

I for one am shocked that the ncaa would make a rash decision with zero foresight.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[kopp0e 1135]

3 hours ago, Swearengen said:

I for one am shocked that the ncaa would make a rash decision with zero foresight.

Well, no need to switch up the game plan form past decisions now...

[Hamttx 419]

This shit is going to blow up in their faces. The NCAA and its outdated policies and draconian methods of punishing only those that don’t stop the flow of money has reached the end.

Allowing a professional into the conversation of the traditional school, player relationship has re-started the process of when does the player become not just a student, but an employee? And do labor laws come into play that protect the player? What about salary, commissions or contracts that could possibly drag the NCAA into court if and when there is a breach by any party? 

The NCAA should have been torn down years ago. Under their watch they have ruined football. And would have already have killed basketball, but March Madness saved their asses.

[Machinator 32099]

On 8/8/2018 at 11:58 AM, MonkeyDoughnut said:

So how does this work allowing them to come back and coaches recruiting and knowing how many scholarships they have available, just based on the timing of things?

 

On 8/8/2018 at 12:23 PM, Don Johnson said:

Pretty tough to manage.  You have 13 scholarships per school.  You have 700 kids transfer per year now in D-1 and you have kids that may or may not leave every year.  And with no downside, you know the declarations for the draft will go way up.  You're going to end up with a lot of schools that find out in June that they only will have 10-11 scholarship players for the next season.

Walk-ons will benefit though.  The schollie needs to be used somewhere for that season.

So, one thing that I think has been glossed over is that the "return to school" rule only applies to undrafted players who were invited to the combine. We may see an increase in players declaring, but if the number of combine invites doesn't increase materially, then only a small number of players will be affected by this rule.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

Rich Paul rule

Edited August 6, 2019 by Catdaddyhorn

[UTDD 362]

Some nice changes for players that are undrafted, but USA Basketball is the wrong entity to determine elite high school players.  It should definitely be some type of advisory committee composed of mostly NBA people.  I wonder how many players would qualify as "elite" -- lottery level picks?

[d2o 1602]

9 hours ago, UTDD said:

Some nice changes for players that are undrafted, but USA Basketball is the wrong entity to determine elite high school players.  It should definitely be some type of advisory committee composed of mostly NBA people.  I wonder how many players would qualify as "elite" -- lottery level picks?

Isn't most of USA Basketball made up of NBA people?   They also are the people picking for their U18 teams so I would think they would have a pretty good idea of who is elite

Edited August 8, 2019 by d2o

[Beau Vine 54253]

On 8/8/2018 at 12:23 PM, Don Johnson said:

Pretty tough to manage.  You have 13 scholarships per school.  You have 700 kids transfer per year now in D-1 and you have kids that may or may not leave every year.  And with no downside, you know the declarations for the draft will go way up.  You're going to end up with a lot of schools that find out in June that they only will have 10-11 scholarship players for the next season.

Walk-ons will benefit though.  The schollie needs to be used somewhere for that season.

I have the greatest amount of pity for the coaches making $3M/year having their jobs get a little harder.  Thoughts and prayers.  

[UTDD 362]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

Isn't most of USA Basketball made up of NBA people?   They also are the people picking for their U18 teams so I would think they would have a pretty good idea of who is elite

If isn't done by the top people but instead only the athlete and NBA reps officially leading the process to form a committee, it could possibly work.  But the Chairman (Dempsey) is just a military guy and it is also asking a lot for this specific organization to go beyond their current boundaries as a national governing body.  I would still much prefer a newly formed advisory committee composed of specific NBA people.

[Machinator 32099]

Rich Paul strikes back.

 

[Beau Vine 54253]

I'm starting to get the impression that there's no one competent working at the NCAA.

I've never seen an organization trot out so much stupid shit only to eventually backtrack on it.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Firemans4Horn 18106]

“Technicals for flopping”  seems way too subjective to me. 

[Wulaw Horn 19096]

Eh on the first 2 for me- 3 is a big winner. 

[Js1 85407]

Mac McClung and everyone for Duke and KU hit hardest. 

[Pancho 44856]

We’ve been doing #3 on that list in women’s basketball for years. 
 

Men’s college basketball is always the last level to catch up to every other level. 

[Napoleon 8689]

Don't want the 6 fouls rule.

It was tried 20 years ago. Move on. The game is fine with 5 fouls.

[Js1 85407]

15 hours ago, Napoleon said:

Don't want the 6 fouls rule.

It was tried 20 years ago. Move on. The game is fine with 5 fouls.

I always thought you should give a foul back if the games goes to OT. But only 1 total, not per OT

[Napoleon 8689]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I always thought you should give a foul back if the games goes to OT. But only 1 total, not per OT

War of attrition, baby!

Make it like Portugal v Netherlands World Cup 2006 where players were dropping like flies.