The danger of Hugo's Russia derangement syndrome

[maninblack 7974]

27 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

When we are on their level, murdering citizens, I’ll probably be ‘upset’ as you put it.  

But your type fascinates me.  You’re totally ok with Russia and their bullshit, full well knowing they’re fucking with our country. Because we may do it too.   Interesting. 

Have you taken a look at the number of people globally that are dead over the past few years because of United States exceptionalism? Or do they not count. 

I have no loyalty to the shit heads in Washington D.C., Russia or you name your favorite centralized authority. I argue that it shouldn't exist so why should I care if the Russian government posted some memes online. I'm only offended if they're not funny. 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

28 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Somebody posts a meme of Jesus arm wrestling Satan on the Internet.

 

The American Republic and Democracy is brought to it's knees.

 

Well the dumb people of America should be warned that liking or sharing this bs shares specific personal data of themselves and likely their friends with whatever company generated those memes. From what I understand there’s virtually no restrictions then on what that company does with your data. At a minimum shouldn’t we know what we’re sharing and how that information will be used?

Directed at OP, I thought libertarians cared about protecting privacy. 

[Anastasis 23393]

13 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Well the dumb people of America should be warned that liking or sharing this bs shares specific personal data of themselves and likely their friends with whatever company generated those memes. From what I understand there’s virtually no restrictions then on what that company does with your data. At a minimum shouldn’t we know what we’re sharing and how that information will be used?

 Directed at OP, I thought libertarians cared about protecting privacy. 

Libertarians know how to read a user agreement.

 

And I would have no problem with requiring more transparency and disclosure in the agreements. 

[RomaVicta 29775]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

the hypocrisy from people here about this when our gov't does the same shit and worse is laughable.

This is maybe your worst rationalization in a long history of partisan illogic.

We used nukes against an enemy, who are we to object to somebody using a nuke on us? It would be hypocritical to feel otherwise. We're owed a couple of nuclear blasts by anyone who sees us as the enemy.

Pointing out hypocrisy rather than facing a problem in some side you have chosen is a cop out as they used to say. Hypocrisy is everywhere. Stop using it as a security blanked justification for wrong-doing by your chosen associates.

[triplehorn 2664]

The US is woefully exposed and lagging in this area.  We need smart regulations to defend ourselves.  

This is what weaponized cyber attacks did to direct the destiny of the UK's Brexit vote.  Same actors and methods used to attack our election:

 

 

Look at that fucking graph.  The outcome of the democratic vote flipped by foreign forces with laser precision over a span of a few weeks.

Our midterms are very close and all indications are it's well underway again.  Trump and GOP are praying for it.  We can't let that happen again.  

[F250 28680]

25 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Well the dumb people of America should be warned that liking or sharing this bs shares specific personal data of themselves and likely their friends with whatever company generated those memes. From what I understand there’s virtually no restrictions then on what that company does with your data. At a minimum shouldn’t we know what we’re sharing and how that information will be used?

Directed at OP, I thought libertarians cared about protecting privacy.  

Privacy is a big deal. Which is probably why most of us recoil at the idea of mandatory identification and location for posting content on social media platforms.

 

[GSU&UT 1798]

26 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Have you taken a look at the number of people globally that are dead over the past few years because of United States exceptionalism? Or do they not count. 

I have no loyalty to the shit heads in Washington D.C., Russia or you name your favorite centralized authority. I argue that it shouldn't exist so why should I care if the Russian government posted some memes online. I'm only offended if they're not funny. 

Why is everything a binary choice? Is it not possible to be disgusted by our foreign policy and coup attempts AND mad at the government (well it's 99% one party's doing) doing nothing to protect our own damn elections that could affect change in the former issue?

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

26 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Have you taken a look at the number of people globally that are dead over the past few years because of United States exceptionalism? Or do they not count. 

I have no loyalty to the shit heads in Washington D.C., Russia or you name your favorite centralized authority. I argue that it shouldn't exist so why should I care if the Russian government posted some memes online. I'm only offended if they're not funny. 

I see you’ve fully bought into the propaganda.  Your brain has been gaslit to hell. 

So why care about anything?  Nothing matters right?  They fuck up.  We fuck up.   Fuck the pawns in this game, you and I got ours, bro.  High five.  

[Anastasis 23393]

14 minutes ago, F250 said:

Privacy is a big deal. Which is probably why most of us recoil at the idea of mandatory identification and location for posting content on social media platforms.

That's not the kind of privacy he was talking about I guess?

[thrillhammer 683]

34 minutes ago, F250 said:

Everything I disagree with should be regulated.

 

Is this how the game is played?

 

no, and nobody said that but you.  but everything that has the potential to fuck us in the ass should be regulated.

[triplehorn 2664]

Brits taking the offensive with calls to regulate Big Tech co's:

 

But wait, they say THEY need their own Robert Mueller ???

 

That says something about the size of the head start Mueller has 

[Tom 2959]

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I don't "tolerate it", but I do think it's chickens coming home to roost based on what we've done for decades. But that's all cool.... I guess with some folks....

Actually, you very much tolerate it because the "chickens coming home to roost" came home to help your team.  You can stop pretending you give a shit about anything else.  And you don't even see the irony in the fact that most of the time it's Republicans and freedom loving conservatives meddling in other countries' affairs.  You also don't seem to be bothered or concerned at all with the fact that the bad guys saw your guy Trump, the NRA, and Republicans as the worthy beneficiaries of election meddling over the dirty Democrats.  How much do you need to happen before you step back and have a holy shit moment and say,  "Wait....am I on the wrong side?  Am I the bad guy?"

Speaking of which, have you ordered your "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirt yet?

[jimmyjazz 45546]

37 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Look at that fucking graph.  The outcome of the democratic vote flipped by foreign forces with laser precision over a span of a few weeks.

Our midterms are very close and all indications are it's well underway again.  Trump and GOP are praying for it.  We can't let that happen again.  

It's really quite stunning.  This isn't about the votes -- it's about voter perspective.  Anyone who thinks that social media manipulation isn't "a thing" needs to really spend some time looking at that graph and then come to Jesus. 

Onboard, sheeeit, swam, maninblack -- we're talking to you.  Step up and realize the scale of this problem or own the consequences, and I am quite sure the consequences will be very, very bad for you (along with everyone else).  Stop handwaving this shit away.  It's the biggest existential threat this country has ever seen, and it is happening RIGHT.  FUCKING.  NOW.

[Js1 85095]

50 minutes ago, F250 said:

Everything I disagree with should be regulated.

 

Is this how the game is played?

 

I thought the libertarian game was "nothing should be regulated" except when they decide something should be regulated.  Why or child labor laws or environmental standards okay but not regulated weaponized social media used to affect elections?

[F250 28680]

27 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

no, and nobody said that but you.  but everything that has the potential to fuck us in the ass should be regulated.

Nor did anyone say, "everything I don't like is derangement."

Perhaps you didn't notice the game of hyperbole.

 

[VinceYoungsTutor 112]

2 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

Hey dumbass, it has been shown that droves of people who normally don't vote at all came out to vote for Trump, not people switching parties.

link?

[Anastasis 23393]

40 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

no, and nobody said that but you.  but everything that has the potential to fuck us in the ass should be regulated.

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

[F250 28680]

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I thought the libertarian game was "nothing should be regulated" except when they decide something should be regulated.  Why or child labor laws or environmental standards okay but not regulated weaponized social media used to affect elections?

If that is what you thought then you thought incorrectly.

You question presupposes no regulations are supported. Obviously the items in the Warner paper bring up a number of privacy concerns. Shall we discuss the issues the paper discusses or just draw broad assumptions?

 

[Ted Lange 16041]

If Russia had ZERO effect, then I’m sure allowing England, France, Germany,  Mexico (from their build a wall fund) to run 100s of millions of dollars in ads for the Dems this midterm would have zero effect too and all the Rs would be all for it.

heck if everyone’s mind is already made up, why don’t the Rs just stop running any sort of campaign ads from now until November and let’s see what the effect is. 

[GSU&UT 1798]

25 minutes ago, VinceYoungsTutor said:

link?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/upshot/a-2016-review-turnout-wasnt-the-driver-of-clintons-defeat.html

Quote

Over all, the turnout among white voters with a greater than 80 percent chance of supporting Mr. Trump was 7 percent higher than expected, while the turnout was 4 percent higher among white voters with greater than an 80 percent chance of supporting Mrs. Clinton.

The stronger Republican turnout among white voters narrowed the Democratic registration edge below pre-election expectations in Florida, Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

 

[Nivek 16853]

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

deport republicans

[JBJ 3648]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

That's not the kind of privacy he was talking about I guess?

I'm not a big fan of the kind of privacy that requires tech platforms to collect user information and hand it over to the government.

I'd be willing to post a plethora of protest dick pics here to prove it.

[SpiralOut 1809]

Ya know, after thinking about it, I actually totally agree with this whole "regulate the crazies/propagandists" on social media plan.

Look at Hugo.  That dude is his own one-man Russian bot-net for the Left.  All his posts are in this forum.  He spams it day in and day out.  Anything anti-Trump, anti-Republican, etc.?  He's shoving it right in your face every day all day.  Dude needs to be regulated sooner rather than later.  People like him are influencing susceptible minds and are a menace to our society!  /s

 

 

[Blotto 23429]

55 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

Onboard, sheeeit, swam, maninblack -- we're talking to you.  Step up and realize the scale of this problem or own the consequences, and I am quite sure the consequences will be very, very bad for you (along with everyone else).  Stop handwaving this shit away.  It's the biggest existential threat this country has ever seen, and it is happening RIGHT.  FUCKING.  NOW.

They don't give a fuck because their feeble brains can't see past the fact that Hillary isn't president. If the Russians had pulled the exact same shit in 2008 to get Hillary elected, On Board would have flown to Moscow and attempted to beat the shit out of Putin with his Crimson and cream colored bag of dicks.

[Huckleberry 32695]

 

 

 

I'm not open borders, but the hypocrisy from people here about this when our gov't does the same shit and worse is laughable.  The Russians HAD NO EFFECT  on the presidential campaign.  We on the other hand have hand picked puppet rulers for decades, when it struck our fancy.

  I don't want countries meddling in our political system, nor do I want us doing it either (SEE:  Central and South America, Iran, Iraq,  Africa, the list goes on for the US.).

 

No, the issue is the absurdity of his even asking the question. Whether or not someone is okay with their nation doing it to others has absolutely zero to do with the obviously understandable and perfectly reasonable desire to ensure that other nations don't do it to theirs.

 

If I were a citizen of a Latin American country whose political process had been undermined by the United States I would be furious at the United States and would want my nation's leaders never to let it fallen again. Whether or not my nation had tried to undermine the United States would be completely irrelevant to that desire. That's how being a citizen works.

 

Well that's how it works unless you're a Republican apparently. Or a Republican who pretends to be a libertarian turned anarchist like maninblack.

 

[VinceYoungsTutor 112]

43 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/upshot/a-2016-review-turnout-wasnt-the-driver-of-clintons-defeat.html

 

I think most of us agree Trump had more votes in the battleground states...I thought you were insinuating the Russians garnered those votes.  

[Orca of Peace 109]

3 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 I don’t know what the solution is, but clearly there is a problem. 

 

I should have the right to propagandize. 

I should have the right to tell lies. 

I should have the right to distort. 

I should have the right to confuse. 

 

 It is just amazing that this is where the front lines of the First Amendment fights are these days. 

politicians have been doing that for centuries

[RomaVicta 29775]

58 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

The graver problem is that we have a large section of the electorate anxious to lap up the acidic vomit tossed their way to fuel their sense of anger and persecution. It's particular ironic that these people are largely white Americans who have generally had it better in the last 60 years than any generation in history.

The investigation of the last election reveals just how vile (deplorable) so many of us are. Regulating hateporn will be as difficult as regulating regular porn used to be. Sadly, it should be difficult to do so.

It's sad because we'll be impaled on our own ideals, but who wants to give those up? Do we create mandatory re-education camps to ensure our freedom?  Huh?

Do millions of people really have to be protected from an obvious raving nutjob like Alex Jones? They really don't see through it?

Howard Beale had it right.

[thrillhammer 683]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

we have no more fucking idiots in this country per capita than any other country.  if you find one with a smarter population feel free to move there.  dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.  

if you look up the definition of mass public in the back of a government textbook it will use the word ignorant and/or uneducated.  that's just the way population dynamics works.  like everything else, it's a bell curve.

societies will be judged, not by how many rich people, or smart people it has, but by how it cares for the underprivileged - the poor, the children, the elderly, etc.  Democrats get this and believe its a vital role of government.  Republicans, on the other hand, say fuck those people.  We have tried laissez faire time and time again and it never works.  Greed will always bloom, and the people will get fucked in the ass.   Thus, regulations are necessary.  

[bernorange 8348]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

... Directed at OP, I thought libertarians cared about protecting privacy. 

Where did I give any indication that I didn't care about privacy or the government abuse of same?

FWIW and for posterity, I echoed the same sentiments about government censorship/control of the internets when the EU started pushing this ball up the hill:

http://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/topic/2952-so-the-eu-wants-to-destroy-the-internets/

 

[Brisketexan 104561]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

We don't.

We let them run it.  Which we decided to do, unequivocally and irrevocably, in 2016.  They are in charge now.  And we aren't ever getting it back from them.

Enjoy the ride.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

Forced sterilization

[Orca of Peace 109]

get rid of MMA and Kevin Hart 

[GRHorn 105]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's the biggest existential threat this country has ever seen, and it is happening RIGHT.  FUCKING.  NOW.

You're the best, Jimbo.  Why don't you go outside and yell at some inanimate objects.  

Meddling via social media is a new game.  I guess we need to get better at defense, but I would stop waayyyyyy short of any rushed plan that a group of scorned D Senators come up with.   This has lasting implications past some stupid midterms.  

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

45 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Howard Beale had it right.

I think the next Trumpish candidate to emerge will be a Howard Beale type.  Someone that spits the ugly hard truths of society unapologetically with crude vulgarity.  People can only be lied to so much before the truth becomes irresistibly seductive.

 

 

[EastTexan 662]

Good to hear from all the sainted dems, socialist and progressives.

[HaroldBS 1]

The internet and social media should not be censored in any way shape or form.  This Russia conspiracy stuff is just being used as an excuse to take away our civil liberties in a similar way they did during the Bush administration under the war on terror/WMD in Iraq excuse.  Some very intelligent people are seeing a pattern that seems very real to them but everyone else is left scratching their heads.  It's like the bible code.

[HaroldBS 1]

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's really quite stunning.  This isn't about the votes -- it's about voter perspective.  Anyone who thinks that social media manipulation isn't "a thing" needs to really spend some time looking at that graph and then come to Jesus. 

Onboard, sheeeit, swam, maninblack -- we're talking to you.  Step up and realize the scale of this problem or own the consequences, and I am quite sure the consequences will be very, very bad for you (along with everyone else).  Stop handwaving this shit away.  It's the biggest existential threat this country has ever seen, and it is happening RIGHT.  FUCKING.  NOW.

I seriously doubt people from foreign countries posting half literate memes is the "biggest existential threat this country has ever seen".  

The DNC rigging their primary and Hillary Clinton ignoring the rust belt had way more to do with Trump getting elected than anything else.  Most Republicans held their noses to vote for him simply because they didn't want Clinton to have 2+ SCOTUS picks.

 

[RomaVicta 29775]

14 minutes ago, HaroldBS said:

Most Republicans held their noses to vote for him simply because they didn't want Clinton to have 2+ SCOTUS picks.

Demonstrably untrue based on his favorable rating in the GOP and the willingness of that support base to choose to believe his every lie instead of their own eyes.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

16 minutes ago, HaroldBS said:

I seriously doubt people from foreign countries posting half literate memes is the "biggest existential threat this country has ever seen".  

The DNC rigging their primary and Hillary Clinton ignoring the rust belt had way more to do with Trump getting elected than anything else.  Most Republicans held their noses to vote for him simply because they didn't want Clinton to have 2+ SCOTUS picks.

 

Give me a fucking break.  No, y'all didn't "hold your noses".  You held your dicks and beat off all over the voting booth.  Come on, just own it.

[HaroldBS 1]

14 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Demonstrably untrue based on his favorable rating in the GOP and the willingness of that support base to choose to believe his every lie instead of their own eyes.

Favorable rating =/= believe his every lie instead of their own eyes

I think it's just a different in perspectives.  From my perspective.. it just looks like he's negotiating like he promised.  Others don't see that so they think he's deranged, lying, etc..

[Js1 85095]

I smell BS.  And it just the username.

Sooooooooock.

[HaroldBS 1]

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Give me a fucking break.  No, y'all didn't "hold your noses".  You held your dicks and beat off all over the voting booth.  Come on, just own it.

I'm trying to be civil and would appreciate if you'd do the same.

[jimmyjazz 45546]

13 minutes ago, HaroldBS said:

I'm trying to be civil and would appreciate if you'd do the same.

No.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

How do we regulate being a country full of fucking idiots?

The answer is obvious to anyonee with a brain. Which sadly excludes most people plstimg here.

[HaroldBS 1]

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I smell BS.  And it just the username.

Sooooooooock.

It stands for Bachelor of Science.  You could have just asked.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Forced sterilization

You should tell people that IRL. See how it goes over. I hope you don't have any real responsibilities in life.

[hayden_horn 11360]

25 minutes ago, HaroldBS said:

I seriously doubt people from foreign countries posting half literate memes is the "biggest existential threat this country has ever seen".  

The DNC rigging their primary and Hillary Clinton ignoring the rust belt had way more to do with Trump getting elected than anything else.  Most Republicans held their noses to vote for him simply because they didn't want Clinton to have 2+ SCOTUS picks.

 

harold, this is bs

[Mole 4320]

I assume everyone arguing about things unrelated to the paper mentioned in the OP actually read the paper and are just engaging in some meta form of satire.

[Biff Tannen 45491]

18 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

You should tell people that IRL. See how it goes over. I hope you don't have any real responsibilities in life.