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2024 - 2025 Dallas Mavericks Season Thread - This time we're not happy to just be here.


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7 minutes ago, horn4life said:

At least Cuban disavowed endorsing the trade.  But that's what happens when you give up control.  You become along for the ride.

He did? Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he does, but I haven’t seen anything he said publicly. He likely has contractual obligations that prevent him from criticizing team decisions.

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I think Nico panicked about the next contract and the new ownership group was too green to understand the consequences. And I think Pelinka took his buddy to the cleaners. 


Yeah not buying any of this. Luka could have been shopped this summer and pretty much every front office in the league would be involved. This would have been Lebron 2010 in terms of where will he end up. Dallas could have sat back and had other front offices outbid each other.

But yet they trade him for an aging, often injured AD and one single pick 5 years from now? Lol sure thing. And traded him to a team that is well connected to the owners at that.
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And here's the rub for me: if Nico genuinely thinks he can't build a roster around Luka and win a championship, then I'm not interested in that person being the GM of my team. If he actually felt that way, he should have resigned and we would have had dozens of qualified candidates banging down there door to get a shot with this roster and assets. 

When this boils down, it's a decision to keep Nico vs Luka and I think anyone is picking Luka 100 times out of 100. Nico just nuked our organization for the next 7 or 8 years and won't have to be around to see the consequences of it. What a shitty fucking time. 

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I could see Dallas ownership saying to Nico "Trade Luka. Keep it quiet."

The secretiveness is the key here. Not letting other teams join the trade talks is clear malpractice. You don't do that as a GM unless ordered to IMO. So Nico has a directive, and contacts to the only GM he knows he can trust, someone he's had a relationship with for many years.  

I'd guess their plan is to tear it all down and start over after 2026 season. Whether that's to move the team or sell it or whatever, I don't know. 

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https://x.com/ringer/status/1886429739952304324

“I’m not exaggerating here,” said the second Western Conference executive. “It probably would have been the biggest haul in NBA history,” if the Mavericks had canvassed the league for the best offer. “This dude is a perennial MVP [candidate] at 25, most likely heading into his prime. It would have been four firsts, three [pick] swaps, two awesome players, one young guy who may hit.”

 

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12 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

How many of you would be apathetic if we make a championship run with AD and this current version of the team? How many would be all in like you are now?

 

I'd watch, but I don't think I'd be emotionally invested.

Best case scenario would be convincing myself it’s a Major League situation and that the cunt owner is angry af about it, especially if it involved taking down the Lakers along the way. But there is zero chance, we’ll be lucky to make the playoffs, but who cares anymore really.

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Fuck man. After over 20 years in the military. I thought I was used to getting fucked repeatedly.   This is just next level watching Luka get off the plane here and seeing all these dick face laker morons here lose their shit and is fucking awful 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Do you even Seattle SuperSonics bro?

Apples and oranges. Nobody was pining for a move to OKC other than that particular ownership group. So sure, the other owners went along with it, maybe even in part thinking that they could go back with a new expansion team in Seattle at a later date and get paid again. OKC sure as shit wasn't on the hot list of expansion destinations. The league owners had no problem with that. But Vegas? That's a completely different ball game. A move there takes money out of the owners pockets. Nobody gives a shit about bumfuck Oklahoma. 

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16 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Apples and oranges. Nobody was pining for a move to OKC other than that particular ownership group. So sure, the other owners went along with it, maybe even in part thinking that they could go back with a new expansion team in Seattle at a later date and get paid again. OKC sure as shit wasn't on the hot list of expansion destinations. The league owners had no problem with that. But Vegas? That's a completely different ball game. A move there takes money out of the owners pockets. Nobody gives a shit about bumfuck Oklahoma. 

Um. No. 
1) the owners and the league don’t need to “want it” they only would need to allow it. Can you think of the last time they stopped a move? Do you know what every move that did happen involved? A new stadium in the new city and a failure of the old city to give away enough to make a new stadium happen.

2) moving does not take money out of the other owners pockets unless the league loses value or TV contracts become less expensive. And of course, Vegas offers synergies to alternative revenue streams that are growing, as opposed to declining TV viewership.

3) As I said, moving to Vegas is plan B and is connected to a new stadium and casino gambling. Plan A is staying in North Texas and building a new stadium and a Casino. Casino gambling is the requirement for the Adelsons. Staying in Dallas is optional.

5) Having traded Luka Doncic, can you imagine the city of Dallas or the fans doing what it takes to replace the AAC?

This isn’t some conspiracy, it’s just not about sports. This is sports business. 

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and one more thing: of course a trade like this undermines the credibility of the league, but the whole league probably gets more valuable with Luka Doncic as a Laker than with the Mavericks. The Mavericks are like Milwaukee- great local fan base, some international fans that follow their foreign players, and no national bandwagon. 
AND the Venn diagram of international fans who love Luka but already liked the Lakers is a circle. 
 

in soccer terms, the Lakers are Man U, and the Mavs are … Crystal Palace, maybe?

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31 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

and one more thing: of course a trade like this undermines the credibility of the league, but the whole league probably gets more valuable with Luka Doncic as a Laker than with the Mavericks. The Mavericks are like Milwaukee- great local fan base, some international fans that follow their foreign players, and no national bandwagon. 
AND the Venn diagram of international fans who love Luka but already liked the Lakers is a circle. 
 

in soccer terms, the Lakers are Man U, and the Mavs are … Crystal Palace, maybe?

We're not Crystal Palace.  We're Arsenal.

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4 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Fuck man. After over 20 years in the military. I thought I was used to getting fucked repeatedly.   This is just next level watching Luka get off the plane here and seeing all these dick face laker morons here lose their shit and is fucking awful 

Is he limping?

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5 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

And here's the rub for me: if Nico genuinely thinks he can't build a roster around Luka and win a championship, then I'm not interested in that person being the GM of my team. If he actually felt that way, he should have resigned and we would have had dozens of qualified candidates banging down there door to get a shot with this roster and assets. 

When this boils down, it's a decision to keep Nico vs Luka and I think anyone is picking Luka 100 times out of 100. Nico just nuked our organization for the next 7 or 8 years and won't have to be around to see the consequences of it. What a shitty fucking time. 

as soon as it was announced I've been waiting to see when Nico resigns/moves on.  has to be within a year.  getting paid to be the fall guy.

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Yeah, this was very clearly ownership and not Nico on his own. I actually expected him to come out the next morning and resign. They must be paying him a shit ton to be the face and I bet he's letting word out behind closed doors that it wasn't his decision to ensure he can still get GM work in the future. 

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yeah, this was very clearly ownership and not Nico on his own. I actually expected him to come out the next morning and resign. They must be paying him a shit ton to be the face and I bet he's letting word out behind closed doors that it wasn't his decision to ensure he can still get GM work in the future. 


you make this trade in a fantasy basketball league and you get kicked out of the league. He has a 0.00% chance of ever getting another GM job. 

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Would the rest of the league cut Nico slack when he’s looking for a job in 2-3 years if this Adelson Vegas theory is true and he’s just an errand boy? Would he get a pass because they know he’s just being a good soldier? 
 

If not, why would he put himself in a position to have to be the face of this whole thing and not just peace out like DeLoss when told he needed to can Mack?

We’ll continue to find out more, but for now I think it was primarily Nico,  maybe a few others in his circle like Fin, that had some deep personal issues with Luka and went out on their own with this. Just personal animosity, mixed with hubris and incompetence.

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10 minutes ago, D_Goose said:

Would the rest of the league cut Nico slack when he’s looking for a job in 2-3 years if this Adelson Vegas theory is true and he’s just an errand boy? Would he get a pass because they know he’s just being a good soldier? 
 

If not, why would he put himself in a position to have to be the face of this whole thing and not just peace out like DeLoss when told he needed to can Mack?

We’ll continue to find out more, but for now I think it was primarily Nico,  maybe a few others in his circle like Fin, that had some deep personal issues with Luka and went out on their own with this. Just personal animosity, mixed with hubris and incompetence.

Fin = Mike Finley? 

 

I believe it was the Adelsons directing this move. NIco's been so so good thus far.  Doesn't make sense he wouldn't maximize the bid process unless he was distinctly told not to.  

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32 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

Fin = Mike Finley? 

 

I believe it was the Adelsons directing this move. NIco's been so so good thus far.  Doesn't make sense he wouldn't maximize the bid process unless he was distinctly told not to.  

The Hoop Collective was actually talking about this and he was actually about to overpay massively for Kuzma last year but Kuzma killed the deal and they went with PJ instead. They basically said even then he has not shown a lot of understanding of value when it comes to trades. He kind of lucked into that one. 

The more I listen to pods, the more I think this is just Nico thinking he's the smartest guy in the room. Maybe he may ultimately be correct about getting out of the Luka business, but he failed massively at asset management. All the good work of the past 2 seasons completely undone. We will never live this down. 

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45 minutes ago, D_Goose said:

Would the rest of the league cut Nico slack when he’s looking for a job in 2-3 years if this Adelson Vegas theory is true and he’s just an errand boy? Would he get a pass because they know he’s just being a good soldier? 

Because Luka to LA maximizes the value of the league, not to mention Nico’s former employer Nike. Everybody wins in this deal except fans of the Mavericks. 

If AD makes the Mavs better short term, or even he doesn’t,  Nico can sneak off with the league, Nike, and the Adelsons owing him a bundle, and then reemerge on top somewhere else a year or two later. 
Like the song says- the sun shines, and people forget. 
 

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