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11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

FIFY

It’s amazing. I’ve never seen one person take a franchise from near an all time high to an all time low in 7 months’ time. And then the organization has the temerity to fucking jack prices up?

I wouldn’t say Mavs are dead forever but it sure seems that way. I was gonna get a suite for my son’s birthday party, and spend a pretty penny to do so. Now?  I wouldn’t piss on the Mavs if they were on fire. And they’re on fire. Dumont and Harrison had an unbelievably destructive last 9 months. And it’ll certainly kill the team for the next few years. 

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21 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

It’s amazing. I’ve never seen one person take a franchise from near an all time high to an all time low in 7 months’ time. And then the organization has the temerity to fucking jack prices up?

I wouldn’t say Mavs are dead forever but it sure seems that way. I was gonna get a suite for my son’s birthday party, and spend a pretty penny to do so. Now?  I wouldn’t piss on the Mavs if they were on fire. And they’re on fire. Dumont and Harrison had an unbelievably destructive last 9 months. And it’ll certainly kill the team for the next few years. 

They were stacked for the next 7 years, now, as is, they are done for at least that long. They have one way out, which they won’t take- trade Davis, Christie, Gafford, Lively, Kyrie and Dinwiddie for as many picks as they can get 25-30 and tank. Nico’s 3 year window is already closed. 

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What has to happen to prove that Nico is a buffoon to those that employ him? Complete failure of his “plan” seems absolute and certain. But will that be enough? Will he still live and work in Dallas come June? Do they care? 

Are we just hockey-town now?  I guess the Rangers have some powder if things look good at the deadline. 

The Mavs are going to take a 5 year nap. I doubt Kyrie or Street Clothes are on this team in 2 years. And I know they don’t have draft capital to build. They’re fucked. 

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They were stacked for the next 7 years, now, as is, they are done for at least that long. They have one way out, which they won’t take- trade Davis, Christie, Gafford, Lively, Kyrie and Dinwiddie for as many picks as they can get 25-30 and tank. Nico’s 3 year window is already closed. 

It’s a solid plan. There is at least a 50% chance that one of the picks would be half as good as Luka.

The 2038 draft has some serious ballers I’ve heard.
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36 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:


It’s a solid plan. There is at least a 50% chance that one of the picks would be half as good as Luka.

The 2038 draft has some serious ballers I’ve heard.

Goddamnit motherfucker what the fuck are we doing?  Why would Nico throw his career away?  What is the upside for him?  He cannot have been that stupid without Dumont interference. I have concluded he wanted Luka gone but he cannot have done this alone or with Kidd. And no, there is zero plan to Major League this thing to Vegas.

I don’t think it’s as simple as Dumont and Nico grossly underestimated the unprecedented backlash from fans after the trade, and what could happen to the team with a rash of injuries. 

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I don't think we'll ever fully understand until a book is written about this 10+ years from now when Nico is out of a job and needing money. If Dumont really was interfering, Nico should have just resigned and said he wasn't going to be a part of something so unbelievably stupid that it would kill his career. I'm not letting Nico off the hook, even if the owners were involved. 

If Kidd really wasn't involved in this decision, he should bail after the season is over. I would personally have zero issue if he quit after not being consulted about this. If he was consulted, he needs to be canned as well. 

I find it hard to believe Dumont sparked this idea. He certainly signed off on it, but no way he thought trading Luka would be good for business. This is the part of this that puzzles me the most. I just can't figure out why anyone would sign off on it. You don't have to be a basketball person to know this was a bad move. 

Regardless, someone needs to nut up and face the music on this eventually and heads need to roll. The fact that they are about to lose a shit ton of revenue is going to be just cause for someone to lose their job. My guess is Nico is out of here by the summer. 

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45 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

I don't think we'll ever fully understand until a book is written about this 10+ years from now when Nico is out of a job and needing money. If Dumont really was interfering, Nico should have just resigned and said he wasn't going to be a part of something so unbelievably stupid that it would kill his career. I'm not letting Nico off the hook, even if the owners were involved. 

If Kidd really wasn't involved in this decision, he should bail after the season is over. I would personally have zero issue if he quit after not being consulted about this. If he was consulted, he needs to be canned as well. 

I find it hard to believe Dumont sparked this idea. He certainly signed off on it, but no way he thought trading Luka would be good for business. This is the part of this that puzzles me the most. I just can't figure out why anyone would sign off on it. You don't have to be a basketball person to know this was a bad move. 

Regardless, someone needs to nut up and face the music on this eventually and heads need to roll. The fact that they are about to lose a shit ton of revenue is going to be just cause for someone to lose their job. My guess is Nico is out of here by the summer. 

I don’t think Dunont did this without Nico. I think they did it together, and Kidd was included. I think Nico and Kidd exasperated with Luka and had good reason to feel the way they did. And when you substitute Cuban for Adelson/Dumont, we totally lost connection to a force that would’ve put it back on Nico and Kidd to work it the fuck out. I just think there is something larger at play here, whether that’s the Adelson group being cheap or whatever. You’re starting to see signs of inexplicable money issues with their ticket price hike.

Fans can take a little tiny bit of solace in that everything they’re trying to do is blowing up in their face. Fans are revolting at ticket prices. And they created such a shitstorm that they’ve fucked themselves with respect to Dallas casino prospects. I don’t see how it happens in this state with them leading the charge. Lastly, I’d love to see them propose municipal help in Irving with a new arena. That ain’t happening. 

I’ve never seen anything like this. They make Jerry Jones and Tom Hicks look like 2011 Mark Cuban in comparison. 

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1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

Why would Nico throw his career away?  What is the upside for him?

This move was horrible for the Mavs and a betrayal of our city but good for the Lakers and therefore good for the league and its sponsors and broadcasters
NBA GM is not the top for him, just a steppingstone.  

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

This move was horrible for the Mavs and a betrayal of our city but good for the Lakers and therefore good for the league and its sponsors and broadcasters
NBA GM is not the top for him, just a steppingstone.  

So the calculus was ultimately he’ll replace Pelinka?  Where is Pelinka going?  I don’t see that as plausible. I truly think he thought he was doing the right thing, and was encouraging by Dumont for reasons we may never know. 

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3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

They were stacked for the next 7 years, now, as is, they are done for at least that long. They have one way out, which they won’t take- trade Davis, Christie, Gafford, Lively, Kyrie and Dinwiddie for as many picks as they can get 25-30 and tank. Nico’s 3 year window is already closed. 

This isn't fucking hard. Grab some solid pieces and then at least one superstar to build around. Look at the Lakers, they have two and a half superstars to build around: LeBron, Luka, Reeves. Dallas just needs to find a superstar 

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58 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

This isn't fucking hard. Grab some solid pieces and then at least one superstar to build around. Look at the Lakers, they have two and a half superstars to build around: LeBron, Luka, Reeves. Dallas just needs to find a superstar 

Actually it’s very fucking hard. Particularly when nobody is willing to accept searching for a superstar because WE HAD A TOP 3 STAR IN THE LEAGUE. 

38 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

We found 3 in 44 years, and we all know what happened to Roy Tarpley. 

I’d argue 5. Aguirre, Tarpley, Nash, Dirk, and Luka. I’m so angry. 

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2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Actually it’s very fucking hard. Particularly when nobody is willing to accept searching for a superstar because WE HAD A TOP 3 STAR IN THE LEAGUE. 

I’d argue 5. Aguirre, Tarpley, Nash, Dirk, and Luka. I’m so angry. 

Fair point about Nash for sure. Aguirre was such a head case. Great scorer when he felt like it though.

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40 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fair point about Nash for sure. Aguirre was such a head case. Great scorer when he felt like it though.

He and Ro and Tarp reached their zenith against the Showtime Lakers. Those Mavs teams were great. I feel more lost as a Mavs fan than I did in the 90s. 

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Me too @Rex Kramer. Those teams were bad and often both unlucky and poorly run, but at least they understood that the franchise derives its value from the good will and support of the fans and the city. These new owners and management seem indifferent to our good will, or maybe the value of the franchise to them is about the leverage they can get from it for something bigger, like Casino gambling. 
Either way- I loved this team for 45 years, including the 90s. For the first time ever, it doesn’t feel like the franchise loves me back. 

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If GM Rex Wilson gets to make the decisions I’m thinking something like this. 
 

Hope OKC has a shitty playoffs. See if I can do a AD for Hartenstein and J Williams (the one who scores) and some draft picks. OKC has more than viable roster spots. 
 

Tell Kyrie thanks for being great in Dallas. If he wants to opt in cool but we will trade you near the deadline hopefully to a preferred team of his choice. Get back young player(s) and a pick ideally. 
 

Trade Klay Thompson. We all known this is not what he signed up for. Send him to a potential contenders and get back what you can.

Start the rebuild around Lively, hypothetical J Williams, PJ, Christie, and draft picks. 

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18 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Actually it’s very fucking hard. Particularly when nobody is willing to accept searching for a superstar because WE HAD A TOP 3 STAR IN THE LEAGUE. 

I’d argue 5. Aguirre, Tarpley, Nash, Dirk, and Luka. I’m so angry. 

Kidd was a superstar, but nowhere near as good as Luka. I think Kidd felt like it was a similar trade to when he got traded for Shawn Bradley, Mike Finley and Sam Cassell

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Listened to a Chris manning podcast.  Per Rachel Nichols:

*AD came back too early but it was his choice.  He took this personal and wanted to make Nico look good

*Kyrie injury was predictable.  Oft injured player leading league in minutes at 32?

 

These were avoidable

 

2025: dead

2026: Kyrie is back after the ASB playing himself into shape

2027: Mavs make a run with 34 year old AD and 35 year old Kyrie (if you resign him)

 

yea Nico you pulled a fast one on Pelinka.  Outsmarted the room there

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Can you imagine how bad it is to work for the Mavs doing social media, ticket sales, sponsorship or any part of the operation right now? They probably had a town hall a couple weeks ago and told people things would start getting better and instead they have gotten that much worse. The anger is more intense, everyone gives you shit, and you aren’t making any money. It’s a death spiral type situation.

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I'd absolutely rather have a bit out of shape, average D, 25 year old match up problem, who racks up 30/8/8 like it is falling off a log than a 32 year old, injury prone big, who has maybe 3-4 years left in the tank.

I mean, it isn't really even a difficult thought process, yet here we are.

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When is the last time a franchise has crashed and burned this fast with the future/promise the Mavs have had? I can't think of any. To go from the Finals last year, 2 WCF in 3 years, a great player who will have you a contender for years to come to what has happened in just a month? Not only did they trade Luka but got a vastly inferior, often injured player in return with no draft picks haul. No one wants to play for this goofball franchise any longer. AD will mail it in. Kyrie might or might not stay but it doesn;t matter now.

Fuck Nico.

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Listening to the Cuban interview with WFAA just brought up the same question I had when it happened. For simple math, this is a $5B company. And the majority owners just sold their most valuable asset for pennies on the dollar. On what planet would it make sense to be able to do that without even consulting an "investor" (all he is at this point) that owns 20% (more) of the company? He has over a BILLION dollars in the company and doesn't have one bit of say in anything. 

I only took b-law because I had to, but someone make that make sense. If I had that much money in anything and people were pissing it away I'd have problems. Makes you wonder...

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3 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

When is the last time a franchise has crashed and burned this fast with the future/promise the Mavs have had? I can't think of any. To go from the Finals last year, 2 WCF in 3 years, a great player who will have you a contender for years to come to what has happened in just a month? Not only did they trade Luka but got a vastly inferior, often injured player in return with no draft picks haul. No one wants to play for this goofball franchise any longer. AD will mail it in. Kyrie might or might not stay but it doesn;t matter now.

Fuck Nico.

It seems the immediate reaction was correct. This trade was absolute shit

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Can you imagine how bad it is to work for the Mavs doing social media, ticket sales, sponsorship or any part of the operation right now? They probably had a town hall a couple weeks ago and told people things would start getting better and instead they have gotten that much worse. The anger is more intense, everyone gives you shit, and you aren’t making any money. It’s a death spiral type situation.

Head of PR is a friend from college… I haven’t reached out because I don’t even know what to say.
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Two of my friend are part of a group of 5 guys who share 2 season tickets in the lowest section at one end zone. The seats are about 6 to 8 rows up.

The tickets have been in one of the friend’s family for 20 to 35 years. (May have had season tickets at Reunion Arena.)

Anyway… my two friends and one other guy are out. They’re done. 

The other two will find replacement people, but they may come from people who are already in on other seats. 

The friend who went with his daughter tonight wrote:

Lots of empty seats tonight and parking lot was maybe half full when we arrived…

Atmosphere is DEAD ☠️

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