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1 minute ago, Helobious said:

Whole lot of people that don’t know ball in this thread. No surprise. Think about who was batting. Ask yourself if Gerrit Cole could beat that guy in a race to 1st. 
 

Rizzo should’ve been asking himself that before the AB. He has to know that play is his. If he just sprints to first after getting the grounder Mookie is out easily, You guys are letting your Cole butthurt get in the way of the truth

LOL, how do you manage to consistently be so wrong?  Pitcher sprints for the bag regardless of who is batting.  Cole should have been going to the bag and Rizzo should have charged the ball more, both are at fault.   It is ingrained into the brain of every pitcher to move your ass to first until the first baseman has the ball, is heading to first base and has waived off the pitcher.  Every single ball hit to the first baseman should be handled in this manner no matter who the batter is.

I have played more baseball than you could hope to watch in your lifetime, as a pitcher.

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We fucking did it.  Fuck yes.  What a comeback.  What grit.  Demons exercised.  Fucking hell mother fucking yes.  Fuck yes.   We fucking did it.

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LOL, how do you manage to consistently be so wrong?  Pitcher sprints for the bag regardless of who is batting.  Cole should have been going to the bag and Rizzo should have charged the ball more, both

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Just to pile on helo - when i skimmed his slew of "i quit" and "this series is over" posts after game one, I was not aware he titled his 2024 Yankees thread, "Never Surrender."

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8 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Whole lot of people that don’t know ball in this thread. No surprise. Think about who was batting. Ask yourself if Gerrit Cole could beat that guy in a race to 1st. 
 

Rizzo should’ve been asking himself that before the AB. He has to know that play is his. If he just sprints to first after getting the grounder Mookie is out easily, You guys are letting your Cole butthurt get in the way of the truth

So if Cole has zero responsibility on this play, why does he point to first?  Is it A) a helpful reminder to the 1B that he needs to touch the bag for the out, or B) an after-the-fact acknowledgment that he fucked up his responsibility on the play and that Rizzo will need to do things on his own?

It's about 63 feet from the pitcher's mound to 1B.  If Cole is moving full effort, he 100% beats Betts to the bag.  Mookie's avg top speed on basepaths in 2024 is 26.7 ft/s - he's actually in the bottom third of the league.  Martin Maldonado's avg top speed is 23.1 ft/s.   I think it's safe to say that Cole could take Maldy in a foot race.  Let's just assume Betts immediately reaches his top avg speed out of the box, it takes him 3.37 seconds to get to the bag.  Using Maldy as an analog for Cole, it would take him 2.72 seconds to get to the bag.  So let's just fuck off with the "Betts was always beating Cole to the bag" argument.      

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40 minutes ago, txhorns said:

LOL, how do you manage to consistently be so wrong?  Pitcher sprints for the bag regardless of who is batting.  Cole should have been going to the bag and Rizzo should have charged the ball more, both are at fault.   It is ingrained into the brain of every pitcher to move your ass to first until the first baseman has the ball, is heading to first base and has waived off the pitcher.  Every single ball hit to the first baseman should be handled in this manner no matter who the batter is.

I have played more baseball than you could hope to watch in your lifetime, as a pitcher.

He has got to be a bit.  Cole needed to get his ass there not quit

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5 hours ago, AnTiM said:

Other than the Astros wins, the last team to please me this much in the World Series was the Pirates beating the Yankees in seven games, 1960.

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One of the greatest World Series, EVER: The Yankees, winners of their 10th pennant in 12 years, outscored the Pirates 55–27 in this Series, out-hit them 91–60, out-batted them .338 to .256, hit 10 home runs to Pittsburgh's four (three of which came in Game 7), got two complete-game shutouts from Whitey Ford—and lost.

The Pirates' inconsistent pitching and Yankees' manager Casey Stengel's controversial decision not to start Ford in Games 1 and 4 resulted in the peculiar combination of close games and routs. Ford (Games 3 and 6) and Vern Law (Games 1 and 4) were excellent, while Pirates relief pitcher Roy Face was a major factor in Games 1, 4 and 5. The Yankees also committed twice as many errors as the Pirates in the series. The Yankees had 8 errors while the Pirates had four errors.

This World Series featured seven past, present, or future league Most Valuable Players. The Pirates had two – Dick Groat (1960) and Roberto Clemente (1966) – while the Yankees had five: Yogi Berra (1951, 1954, 1955), Bobby Shantz (1952), Mickey Mantle (1956, 1957, 1962), Roger Maris (1960, 1961), and Elston Howard (1963).

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The statue is by PNC Park. While in school I lived in the building to the right in that picture. And the famous picture from the top of the Cathedral of Learning. I met Maz once and I was friends with Mr. Groat. Red Auerbach said to a friend of mine that Mr. Groat could have also been one of the greatest players the NBA had ever seen because basketball came easy for him and at baseball he had to work at it.

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, txhorns said:

LOL, how do you manage to consistently be so wrong?  Pitcher sprints for the bag regardless of who is batting.  Cole should have been going to the bag and Rizzo should have charged the ball more, both are at fault.   It is ingrained into the brain of every pitcher to move your ass to first until the first baseman has the ball, is heading to first base and has waived off the pitcher.  Every single ball hit to the first baseman should be handled in this manner no matter who the batter is.

I have played more baseball than you could hope to watch in your lifetime, as a pitcher.

Calm down, Amanda Whurlitzer.   😜

 

 

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I actually agree 100% with what you said...Just funnin'

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15 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

He has got to be a bit.  Cole needed to get his ass there not quit

He tried getting to the grounder, which is why he was in no position to beat Betts to first. He didn’t just stand on the mound and do nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

He tried getting to the grounder, which is why he was in no position to beat Betts to first. He didn’t just stand on the mound and do nothing. 

That's what he SAID he was trying to do.  That was a bullshit cover.  The ball wasn't hit very hard but it wasn't hit THAT softly where he should ever have thought "oh I need to go field this" 

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Anybody that is trying to absolve Cole of fault on that play either knows absolutely nothing about baseball or is scared of Cole's reaction to being called out. @Beau Vine's clip from Game 1 shows that the problem is he is 100% lazy on that play.

16 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

I swear to the baseball gods that if there is no opposing fan with a sign saying 

COVER FIRST
TODAY
TOMORROW
FOREVER

at Cole's first start next season I will riot. Hell, Yankees fans should have them, too.

If I were one of them tweeters that would be a good one tonight.

 

7 hours ago, miguelito said:

Photoshop idea: Cole as a kid holding that stupid sign, but the sign says "Pitchers cover first/ today tomorrow forever"

IDEA THIEF!

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15 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

Congratulations to our Dodger fans here. Pretty darn good to be y’all right now. You did this with your best player slumping and injured and yet you won the series convincingly. Enjoy the parade and if you go post some pictures!

I can also only hope that the cadre of voices from last off-season that said the Dodgers overpaid for Ohtani because his WAR wasn’t worth 70 million will never, ever use that ridiculous argument again. It was comical at the time and even more so now. That guy is worth every single penny he was paid and then some. This team is about to go on a ridiculous run of titles with how good they are.

I'm not going to any parade unless I can throw a beer at Ted Cruz.

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

He tried getting to the grounder, which is why he was in no position to beat Betts to first. He didn’t just stand on the mound and do nothing. 

In a way, I think Cole's problem was similar to Schwarber's on his feebly attempted strike 3 bunt vs. Houston in the 2022 WS: sudden vapor lock. Pressure can do strange things to athletes, even the great ones. 

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Rizzo needed to be more aware of the situation.  He waited on that ball WAY too much. He needed to charge that ball  or play closer given that Betts is running.   That could be a fielding alignment issue dictated by the coach.

That said, Cole HAS to bust ass over to the base.  If the ball is hit to Rizzo's left towards 2nd a little bit there is no way Rizzo is getting there playing that deep.

He didn't so it is on him.

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4 hours ago, Jshep34 said:

Every Yankee "fan" would kill for the run the Astros have had since 2015. If altuve was a Yankee he'd be held to same god like status as jeter

Tiniest god ever.

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8 hours ago, Helobious said:

Whole lot of people that don’t know ball in this thread. No surprise. Think about who was batting. Ask yourself if Gerrit Cole could beat that guy in a race to 1st. 
 

Rizzo should’ve been asking himself that before the AB. He has to know that play is his. If he just sprints to first after getting the grounder Mookie is out easily, You guys are letting your Cole butthurt get in the way of the truth

 

“whole lotta people who don’t know ball.”

”the pitcher shouldn’t cover first whenever a fast player is at bat.”

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I went in to open a bank account today in Honolulu and my new banker is a big fan of Ohtani and Yamamoto. She’s originally from Fukuoka, but also grew up near Chiba so baseball is just something she enjoys. You could tell how happy she was for those two when she was talking about them. The Dodgers are a virtual monetary printing press with the amount of Japanese fans they add with both of those guys. 

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i’m watching The Comeback (which is great btw), and i see curt schilling on his mutilated, just-had-locker-room-surgery ankle hauling ass over to first to try and cover the bag, even though Mientkiewicz had it covered.

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he can’t even run and he’s busting his ass anyway. gerritt cole pulled a cam newton, and unlike his teammates’ errors, this was 100% about effort. 

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I am so happy for Ohtani after years of brilliance for the shit Angels organization. If only he could have taken Mike Trout with him to the Dodgers.

It seemed like every year I would be seeing if the Angels would get their shit together so we could at least see Trout and Ohtani in a wild card series but nope...

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I am so happy for Ohtani after years of brilliance for the shit Angels organization. If only he could have taken Mike Trout with him to the Dodgers.
It seemed like every year I would be seeing if the Angels would get their shit together so we could at least see Trout and Ohtani in a wild card series but nope...
Trout loves it there. Gets paid a ton. Zero expectations and everything is everyone else's fault. Early off-season every year. Paid time off from injuries. He doesn't really care to play on a good team or he would have left a long time ago. Ohtani left as soon as he could and embraced all the expectations playing for the Dodgers.
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16 hours ago, Derka said:

i’m watching The Comeback (which is great btw), and i see curt schilling on his mutilated, just-had-locker-room-surgery ankle hauling ass over to first to try and cover the bag, even though Mientkiewicz had it covered.

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he can’t even run and he’s busting his ass anyway. gerritt cole pulled a cam newton, and unlike his teammates’ errors, this was 100% about effort. 

Watching this with my son tonight. Other than explaining that Pedro was the greatest the other thing I've told him is it's strange being the old guy. I'm rewatching something I watched as it happened. He's learning about baseball history from before he was born. 

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