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5 hours ago, AbeFroman said:

I think the most disheartening part of this is realizing we just don't have the players.    And now we're all waiting on a guy who is in a walking boot to pop out of it completely healthy and be instant offense.  Oy vey

Just remember who assembled this team, with a lot of NIL available. 

Compare player movement on the floor with teams like Kansas and Gonzaga. It’s just completely different. We don’t have the coach, and we need to just let this season and next happen because it’s going to be a rough two years. 

The elite 8 run was a leftover of Beard coaching early in the year and previously, combined with a very good team with great chemistry and hustle. 

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I’m gonna reserve some thoughts for a few games but I figured the offense was gonna be a mess. It’s a lot of spread and one on one kick outs which is just glorified street ball with spacing. Some times it works but most of the time it won’t and not when you can’t push the ball in transition and run which is what I think Rodney wants to do and if we get put in a half court set(and we will the majority of games) you will see a ton of bad shots with no ball movement or off the ball movement. 
 

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1 hour ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I’m gonna reserve some thoughts for a few games but I figured the offense was gonna be a mess. It’s a lot of spread and one on one kick outs which is just glorified street ball with spacing. Some times it works but most of the time it won’t and not when you can’t push the ball in transition and run which is what I think Rodney wants to do and if we get put in a half court set(and we will the majority of games) you will see a ton of bad shots with no ball movement or off the ball movement. 
 

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6 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Ohio State ran probably a half dozen set plays that got wide open threes or dunks.  Can anyone remember a single one for us?

I don't want to overreact per the first game, but it's so GD frustrating that our offense is basically who wants to take the contested shot or go 1 v 3 in the lane?

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12 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Ohio State ran probably a half dozen set plays that got wide open threes or dunks.  Can anyone remember a single one for us?

They got Johnson a good shot on an out of bounds play on I think two occasions.

Set plays are only going to be more important moving forward as teams start to hound Johnson for 94 feet up and down the court. Going to have to help get him looks.

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11 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

 

I don't want to overreact per the first game, but it's so GD frustrating that our offense is basically who wants to take the contested shot or go 1 v 3 in the lane?

There is a reason Terry wants to run all the time...maybe the guy in the boot changes things.  enjoy Tre Johnson.  He will likely light up the stat sheet because he will be getting tons of minutes.

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Kaluma, Shedrick, Weaver and Kent combined to go 0-9 from deep. That group shouldn’t be attempting more than about 6 combined threes a game and Shedrick’s quota needs to be about 1 every other game.

Kaluma in particular concerns me because I already saw signs that the ball doesn’t leave his hands much once he touches it in a possession.

Weaver has an important role on this team but isn’t a 33 minute player. I’m assuming his minutes will dip down into the 20-25 range once Mark returns. That should help the offensive flow some.

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13 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Kaluma, Shedrick, Weaver and Kent combined to go 0-9 from deep. That group shouldn’t be attempting more than about 6 combined threes a game and Shedrick’s quota needs to be about 1 every other game.

Kaluma in particular concerns me because I already saw signs that the ball doesn’t leave his hands much once he touches it in a possession.

Weaver has an important role on this team but isn’t a 33 minute player. I’m assuming his minutes will dip down into the 20-25 range once Mark returns. That should help the offensive flow some.

Let us hope. Weaver needs to still be that quadruple espresso jolt he was last year, providing massive hustle and energy. He tried last night, but I fear overuse won't give us quite the desired effect. Not to mention the real risk of injury the way he flies around. 

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I think what is so disappointing about last night, is that except for Johnson, the team looks just like the team last year.  All of the same things wrong from last year show this year too. It's coaching if all the players change and the results looks similar.

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10 hours ago, taybo20 said:

Tre Johnson and whoever the fuck else is what this feels like. This is gonna be a tough year

Just one game, albeit against potentially measurable competition, but, yeah, that would be my analysis of this very small, very early sample size.  Tre, and JAG’s everywhere.  They might be The OU-football equivalent of SEC basketball

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The ugliness of the portal era is trying to get puzzle pieces from different systems, many of whom were role players who now expect more minutes and freedom to get their shots ups, to gel with one another and the system as quickly as possible.  There will be growing/gelling pains.  The coaches who are elite at evaluating personnel, drilling fundamentals and details, and getting a few good offensive sets in place with lots of options seem to rise above the bell curve early in the season.  And, the coaches who can adjust well in-game, add some new wrinkles on offense each week, and establish a good 8-to-9-man rotation seem to excel later.

With so many big guards / small forwards on the roster, Terry will need to figure out fast how to get other players open for a good look / drive when our opponents double up on Johnson.  I think that will entail a lot of off-the-ball activity rather than just running the pick and roll action with everyone else camped outside the 3 point line.  We have a lot of interchangeable parts outside Johnson, Mark and to a much lesser extent Shed who will need some heavy coaching and show some heavy effort on the defensive side before they get heavy minutes and the green light to get their shots up.

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They should look a lot different when you add Mark to the lineup. Having another guy out there that can score would have been big last night. I was also looking for a healthy Shedrick to show signs of marked improvement but if last night is accurate then he looks like the same player.

Y’all covered pretty much everything else. 

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54 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I think what is so disappointing about last night, is that except for Johnson, the team looks just like the team last year.  All of the same things wrong from last year show this year too. It's coaching if all the players change and the results looks similar.

I think last year's roster was actually better.    Last year you had 3 legit scorers who could go off any night.  When all three were going we were hard to beat.  Who is going to be the third scorer on this team?  Earliest returns are not good.  Also, last year we had 3 energy, defense, and board guys.  Brock, Weaver, and Mitchell.  So far this year, I see one.   Tre is a ball of energy but he's the primary scorer and can't be a defensive specialist and rebounder every night.

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Man, I think we win this game with Mark.  He's probably our 2nd best player, but our best collegiate player (since Johnson is clearly our best pro prospect player). 

That was a huge hole to have to fill last night. 

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After the first few conference games last season, I was ready to charter a plane and fly a banner. But the team rallied and ended up having a "par" season by Texas standards.

It's disappointing that our 'Horns looked undisciplined last night and, worse, the defensive effort was poor. However, they've got some time to figure things out. They've also got what appears to be the most dynamic and polished freshman to step on campus since No.35.

Maybe y'all are right--maybe Terry is in over his head and this team will have a middling campaign, but making that judgment after one game seems terribly premature.

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A lot of things should improve offensively when Mark returns. By almost every account, he's our best player. 

The issue all year is going to be the 5. A lot of those open 3s were because Shedrick got caught in action on the perimeter which led to open 3s. Shedrick needs to be playing 20 minutes a game and not 31 minutes. 

I wish we would have added an athletic big like Garrison. 

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6 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

I think last year's roster was actually better.    Last year you had 3 legit scorers who could go off any night.  When all three were going we were hard to beat.  Who is going to be the third scorer on this team?  Earliest returns are not good.  Also, last year we had 3 energy, defense, and board guys.  Brock, Weaver, and Mitchell.  So far this year, I see one.   Tre is a ball of energy but he's the primary scorer and can't be a defensive specialist and rebounder every night.

I don't agree at all. 

Last year we had 2 scorers in Abmas and Disu. Mark, Johnson, and Kaluma is a much better scoring trio than we had last year. It looked that way last night because we were missing a guy that averaged 17 points in the SEC last year. 

Now, do we have enough defense and rebounding is another question. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

I don't agree at all. 

Last year we had 2 scorers in Abmas and Disu. Mark, Johnson, and Kaluma is a much better scoring trio than we had last year. It looked that way last night because we were missing a guy that averaged 17 points in the SEC last year. 

Now, do we have enough defense and rebounding is another question. 

 

Serious question: How good is Kaluma? I've never seen much of him, but some folks seem to think there's real value there. All I know is that against OSU's bigs he had plenty of trouble. 

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1 minute ago, Gut Wagon said:

Serious question: How good is Kaluma? I've never seen much of him, but some folks seem to think there's real value there. All I know is that against OSU's bigs he had plenty of trouble. 

I think there's questions about his game but he can definitely score (although inefficiently at times). 

Hunter was our 3rd leading scorer last year. Do I think Kaluma is a better 3rd option than Hunter as a scorer? Absolutely, when he's surrounded with another good scoring guard/wing in Mark. 

 

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39 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Kent has a lot of scoring upside as well.

More than say, Dillon Mitchell had.

It will be interesting how Mitchell does at Cincy. 

It looks like they're going to let him attempt to expand his game but looked to be the same story in the opener. 0-2 from 3 and 0-2 from the FT line. The guy simply can't shoot and there's no fixing that. 

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13 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Disappointing loss...

"Unranked Ohio State leads wire-to-wire in 80-72 victory over No. 19 Texas"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/unranked-ohio-state-leads-wire-to-wire-in-80-72-victory-over-no-19-texas/ar-AA1twbmQ?ocid=BingNewsSerp

No one has played a game and yet it somehow matters that an unranked team beat a lowly ranked team. 

okay 👌 

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Let us hope. Weaver needs to still be that quadruple espresso jolt he was last year, providing massive hustle and energy. He tried last night, but I fear overuse won't give us quite the desired effect. Not to mention the real risk of injury the way he flies around. 

I like him better in this role providing spark/energy with 2nd unit off the bench
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