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shadow_operative2.0

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Welp, '28 is fucked now too. Bye. 

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A combination of severe hurricane damage to Tropicana Field and political delays on financing means it is highly unlikely the Tampa Bay Rays' planned new stadium will be ready for the 2028 season, if at all, the team said Tuesday.

Rays top executives said in a letter to the Pinellas County Commission that the team has already spent $50 million for early work on the new $1.3 billion ballpark and cannot proceed further because of delays in approval of bonds for the public share of the costs.

"The Rays organization is saddened and stunned by this unfortunate turn of events" said the letter, signed by co-presidents Brian Auld and Matt Silverman, who noted that the overall project was previously approved by the County Commission and the City of St. Petersburg.

"As we have made clear at every step of this process, a 2029 ballpark delivery would result in significantly higher costs that we are not able to absorb alone," the letter added. 

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

"No matter how hot she is, some dude somewhere is tired of her shit."

That's the only vibe I get from this video.

 

 

He’s got the personality of a doorknob from every video I’ve ever seen of him. No idea why she’s with him. There’s a ton of other pro athletes that are more attractive and have more money than he does. Right now she probably has more money than him. 

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6 hours ago, Helobious said:

He’s got the personality of a doorknob from every video I’ve ever seen of him. No idea why she’s with him. There’s a ton of other pro athletes that are more attractive and have more money than he does. Right now she probably has more money than him. 

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14 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

mlb needs a hard line salary cap 

it’s worked great for the nfl 

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Dodgers met with Boras yesterday regarding Soto.  I can't rally believe we would do it.  I'd rather get a front line pitcher like Fried or Burnes and maybe a high leverage bullpen guy.  I'm not sure Soto would be the right fit.  Shohei, Mookie, and Freddie are the leaders.  Let's keep it that way.

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Helobious

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6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

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Dodgers met with Boras yesterday regarding Soto.  I can't rally believe we would do it.  I'd rather get a front line pitcher like Fried or Burnes and maybe a high leverage bullpen guy.  I'm not sure Soto would be the right fit.  Shohei, Mookie, and Freddie are the leaders.  Let's keep it that way.

Yeah, no way one of the best baseball players in the game would be a good fit on a baseball team. He would ruin the leadership dynamic of two washed up old players and a guy that can’t even speak English. 

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4 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Yeah, no way one of the best baseball players in the game would be a good fit on a baseball team. He would ruin the leadership dynamic of two washed up old players and a guy that can’t even speak English. 

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Sometimes your takes are, well, ...

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Sometimes your takes are, well, ...

Betts is 32, Freeman is 35. They’re washed as fuck. 
 

*Cue a post of Freeman hitting a 90 mph middle-middle no-break meatball for the walk-off grand slam as some sort of evidence that he’s not old and past his prime. 

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12 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Betts is 32, Freeman is 35. They’re washed as fuck. 
 

*Cue a post of Freeman hitting a 90 mph middle-middle no-break meatball for the walk-off grand slam as some sort of evidence that he’s not old and past his prime. 

You are truly regarded.  Freddie is still on of the top 1B's in baseball.  

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18 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

 

 

Let me get rid of that fucking paywall for ya...

 

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The year to watch in baseball is 2028.

At a time when Major League Baseball is offering employee buyouts at its flagship television station, MLB Network, and the bankruptcy case of a major broadcasting partner, Diamond Sports Group, has just wrapped, the league’s long-term media rights plan is coming into focus.

MLB plans to create national packages for major streaming companies to bid on come 2028, the year that the league’s national television deals with ESPN, Fox and Turner are set to expire. The commissioner needs as many of its teams’ local media rights available as possible by then, and all six clubs returning to Diamond Sports Group are on deals that were designed around that goal. 

“Most important from my perspective is that all the deals for the Diamond clubs end no later than 2028,” commissioner Rob Manfred told The Athletic on Tuesday, the first of three days of owners’ meetings in New York. “My interest in local rights in large part is to have them available when we do national renewals.”

MLB already is handling the broadcasts for an additional group of seven teams in 2025, and will be partially responsible for an eighth team. As of today, close to two-thirds of the league’s 30 teams appear to have their rights available come 2028, if not more.

Interest in national packages should be heavy, both for fans and bidders. MLB’s goal is for any offering to be free of local blackouts. And for would-be broadcast partners, baseball’s 162-game season provides an unmatched volume of sports content. Executives from Apple, Amazon, CBS, Disney/ESPN, DirecTV, Fox, Netflix, NBC/Peacock, Roku, YouTube and Warner Bros.-Discovery were all on hand during the World Series.

Manfred wants to do what the NBA’s Adam Silver did: split the league’s inventory in different ways.

“I’d like to have all the rights available,” Manfred said. “I’d like to talk to the people who are buyers. I’d like to cut them up into packages and sell them, as many of them as possible, nationally, and then have a plan to deal with what’s left over.”

MLB and ESPN have a mutual opt-out of their national deal after this season. Conversations between the two are ongoing, said a person briefed on the talks who was not authorized to discuss them publicly. 

ESPN is expected to threaten to opt out. ESPN chairman Jimmy Pitaro has publicly stated he would like to be part of MLB’s local rights solution.

Bundling all the rights together will be another matter. Producing the changes the commissioner seeks would require some heavy lifting. Manfred wants the league office to take over teams’ local media rights — the traditional, linear TV rights, as well as the in-market, direct-to-consumer streaming rights, both of which currently belong to the individual clubs.

To achieve that, Manfred needs the owners to agree both on that transfer of control, and the way the teams would then share the local TV income, a difficult task because the worth of media rights varies greatly from small markets to large.

He will also need approval from the players’ union. The Players Association does not control how MLB uses its TV rights, but it does have a say in revenue sharing between teams. The current CBA between owners and players expires in December 2026. This ultimately means that 2026 and 2027 will be crucial years when baseball television and labor issues collide. 

“If the model changes, we will be involved in negotiating how those changes might affect the system and will ensure that the interests and priorities of the players are protected,” said Tony Clark, the head of the players’ union.

Uncertainty continues

For now, the sports television landscape remains in turmoil amidst cord-cutting. At least half of MLB’s 30 teams have taken a reduction in local media rights fees sometime in the last two years. And last week, MLB Network president Bill Morningstar sent an email to employees announcing buyouts.

“Unfortunately, the business side of our industry continues to be challenging, specifically the decline of our largest revenue stream, the traditional linear cable and satellite bundles,” Morningstar wrote in the email, which was reviewed by The Athletic. 

Morningstar wrote the network is “right-sizing.” Manfred declined to specify a targeted number of buyouts.

“MLB Network is like every other cable property,” Manfred said. “It needs to be more efficient.  … Long term, we think that the network remains really significant to our media strategy because it is a hub for producing content. 

“There’s a variety of different things that could happen. It may just produce content that becomes part of a 30-club digital offering. … To the extent that you want to keep a linear property alive — we haven’t decided exactly which one of these is going to happen — but you could imagine a world where people who stay in the bundle go to the MLB Network and they get (pre- and post-game) programming all day long, until the team in their market plays. 

“And at that point in time, you get the in-market game, and then you go back to (pre- and post-game) programming. And later in the evening, you get a kind of national, outside-the-market broadcast.”

Changing the plan

The revenue-sharing component of Manfred’s vision represents a sea change. The fundamental issue is that some teams’ media rights are worth much more than others. Why would the New York Yankees want to split an equal share of local TV money with the Tampa Bay Rays?

During the playoffs, Manfred said on Puck reporter John Ourand’s “The Varsity” podcast that “there is a path forward that involves media and other really significant industry issues that could put the clubs in — all the clubs — in a position to come together.” 

Manfred also told SiriusXM’s Mike Ferrin, Jim Duquette and Kevin Frandsen that “it’s important to recognize that our clubs should and do act in their economic self-interest.”

“If you want to make a change, you’ve got to demonstrate to people that what you’re offering to them is better for them, and that’s incumbent,” Manfred continued. “I do think there are a combination of things that for even the very biggest teams, we can demonstrate that for the good of the game over the long haul, it’s better for everybody and better for them.”

People briefed on Manfred’s plan who were not authorized to speak publicly said it’s a matter of a trade. If the teams are going to equally share all local TV money, then they will share less of the other streams they currently divvy up. 

Teams today divide up 48 percent of their net local revenue. That includes local media, ticket sales, concessions, merchandise and sponsorships.

How much money each team receives from that pot, if any, grows complicated. But an over-simplified way of looking at it would be for every dollar generated, a tax of 48 cents comes along with it.

Two huge questions will linger leading into negotiations with players: As part of the change in revenue sharing, will the owners pursue a salary cap, something the other major sports leagues have?

And either way, is another lockout in the offing?

A strong push for a cap would most certainly guarantee a protracted work stoppage, as it is something players have always fought against. And a work stoppage — even just an offseason lockout, as was seen in 2021-22 — is not going to help national-package bidding prices. It also would be a drain on the game at a time when rule changes such as the pitch clock and stars such as Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani have elevated the sport.  

Counting game

How is it that Manfred already has close to two-thirds of the league’s local rights available for 2028? Diamond has six teams, and could soon have a seventh. The Kansas City Royals are in continued negotiations with Diamond over a return.

The league is carrying seven teams, and an eighth, the Seattle Mariners are going to join that group too, although their arrangement appears unique compared to the rest.

“It’s just complicated because they have distribution agreements that ran longer,” Manfred said. “We’ll do the production for them, not clear how much more.”

Those two groups add up to as many as 15 clubs.

Then, the Houston Astros and Pittsburgh Pirates were among four teams that Warner Bros.-Discovery backed away from in 2023. Other clubs, such as the Texas Rangers, who left Diamond after last season and are trying to launch their own network, are likely to have their rights available as well. The Chicago White Sox just started a network too.

Every additional team MLB adds to its MLB Media portfolio does not necessarily require the same level of new spending and hiring by the league.

“There are clearly economies of scale,” Manfred said. 

For teams whose local rights MLB does not presently have access to for 2028 — those that are locked up long-term with a broadcast partner — a lot of things can happen. Deals could be renegotiated. Or, depending on how things shake out, perhaps some teams live out their deals.

Diamond after the rough

MLB was Diamond Sports Group’s loudest critic during the bankruptcy process. Diamond, which operates the FanDuel Sports Network channels, filed for bankruptcy in the spring of 2023, and last week, a federal judge approved its plan to reorganize the business. 

One of the disputes between MLB and Diamond was over the value of in-market streaming rights: whether Diamond could offer a standalone subscription to watch various teams. In 2024, seven of the 12 MLB teams with Diamond did not grant those rights.

That was a disappointment for fans, who clamored for additional means of accessing games. Now, all six teams returning to Diamond have granted those rights, and three, the Braves, Angels and Cardinals, are doing so for the first time. 

But most of the teams that were with Diamond at the start of the 2024 season have also taken pay cuts, be it with Diamond or elsewhere. Did MLB therefore do well to hold out on granting those streaming rights? Manfred believes the clubs would have come out worse, perhaps with greater reductions in rights fees or without the contract lengths the league sought, had it not taken that stance. 

“Yeah,” Manfred said. “I think the outcome… in terms of the things we were looking to achieve, were in some significant part (owed to) the strategy that we employed: saying we weren’t going to take cuts, and we’re not giving you rights for free.”

Of the 18 teams that were televised by either Diamond or Warner Bros.-Discovery at the start of the 2023 season, only three have avoided a pay reduction in the last two years. The Braves and Rays have not taken cuts, and although the Marlins’ deal was more complicated, their take is effectively the same, Manfred said.

Most teams’ exact cuts are not known. St. Louis’ 2025 fee is reduced by about 25 percent compared to what their prior deal with Diamond called for.

MLB and the union have modified the current CBA to allow additional money to go to teams who have seen their rights fees reduced. 

“Our rights are with FanDuel,” Cardinals president Bill DeWitt III said in an interview this month. “Where would we sit in a nationalized MLB streaming environment? That’s sort of at the next level up on my pay grade. But we’ve always been supportive of MLB’s efforts.

“We’re cheerleading them as hard as anybody so that MLB can develop perhaps a model that might be viable for all 30 at some point. We want to be, certainly, team players in the MLB ecosystem.”

 

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33 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Betts is 32, Freeman is 35. They’re washed as fuck. 
 

*Cue a post of Freeman hitting a 90 mph middle-middle no-break meatball for the walk-off grand slam as some sort of evidence that he’s not old and past his prime. 

Does that mean Judge is washed?

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On 11/19/2024 at 1:40 PM, Guadaloopy said:

"No matter how hot she is, some dude somewhere is tired of her shit."

That's the only vibe I get from this video.

 

 

He has a small dick or she is a pillow princess.

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8 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

And that Shohei guy. 

It was funny being at Citi Field during the playoffs and listening to the crowd chant "M-V-P! M-V-P!" every time Lindor came up.   I'm like, "hmmm, not so sure about that."

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Jesus shit, just end the whole charade. 

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The St. Petersburg City Council reversed course Thursday on whether to spend more than $23 million to repair the hurricane-shredded roof of the Tampa Bay Rays' ballpark, initially voting narrowly for approval and hours later changing course.

The reversal on fixing Tropicana Field came after the council voted to delay consideration of revenue bonds for a proposed new $1.3 billion Rays ballpark. Just two days before, the Pinellas County Commission postponed a vote on its share of the new stadium bonds, leaving that project in limbo.

"This is a sad place. I'm really disappointed," council chair Deborah Figg-Sanders said. "We won't get there if we keep finding ways we can't."

The Rays say the lack of progress puts the new stadium plan and the future of Tropicana Field in jeopardy.

"I can't say I'm confident about anything," Rays co-president Brian Auld told the council members. 

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16 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

So the big question is where could they move their team?

That sounds like what this is all about. Tampa doesn’t want to play any longer, from the sound of it. 

Nashville seems like the logical choice 

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5 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

AUSTIN!

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Just kidding, there's zero chance of MLB ever coming to Austin.

 


Technically an option, but you’re right with Rangers and ‘stros already “close.” But it also works in cali, with 4 (previously 5) teams.

Green Bay?

Trying to think of areas large enough to support a team. 

Orlando?

Jacksonville?

 

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11 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

 

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I’m surprised it actually happened. Royals rotation was pretty healthy last year and Singer stayed as a 3-4 all year long. Wacha and Lugo aren’t likely to stay as healthy this year. Big gamble trading Singer but the lead off spot was a black hole of suck. I’m not used to a GM that will do shit like this. Or an owner. Cool. 

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Bubic, Lynch and Marsh are on the clock. Somebody has to step up and fill the role. Singer had 10ish WAR over the last 3 years. India 3 in the same time. Just shows how bad the FO sees the need for offense. Kyle Wright should be healthy next spring. Maybe he can return to his former self and join the rotation. Seems like a bit of an overpay but I know zip about the OF guy that was included. 

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6 minutes ago, Shoxthemonkey said:

I’m surprised it actually happened. Royals rotation was pretty healthy last year and Singer stayed as a 3-4 all year long. Wacha and Lugo aren’t likely to stay as healthy this year. Big gamble trading Singer but the lead off spot was a black hole of suck. I’m not used to a GM that will do shit like this. Or an owner. Cool. 

 

Still have Cole, too. I'm sure they're cooking some other things up, at least they better be.

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3 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

 

Still have Cole, too. I'm sure they're cooking some other things up, at least they better be.

Ragans with 2 TJS made me nervous all season long. Pretty sure he set a PR for innings pitched and Q let him go deep several times when I would have pulled him to save wear and tear. That speaks to the shitty bullpen mid season, I suppose. 

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