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[aggie08 21732]

Just now, Hefeweizen said:

The world is about to change in a lot of ways.  I would not assume moving overseas is a great idea and I have dual citizenship and the means to move.  Things are going to get very unstable.  China is going to make its move.  That will force India, Japan, and even Russia to make theirs.  

Sadly, this. Not even blaming Trump when China does. But he's about the last person I'd want to tackle it.

[DigglerontheHoof 21515]

1 minute ago, Hefeweizen said:

The world is about to change in a lot of ways.  I would not assume moving overseas is a great idea and I have dual citizenship and the means to move.  Things are going to get very unstable.  China is going to make its move.  That will force India, Japan, and even Russia to make theirs.  

Trump is the final piece China needs to surpass the U.S. as the preeminent world power.

[CooterBrown 18272]

The world is about to change in a lot of ways.  I would not assume moving overseas is a great idea and I have dual citizenship and the means to move.  Things are going to get very unstable.  China is going to make its move.  That will force India, Japan, and even Russia to make theirs.  

American soldiers will be in lockstep with Russia when they march into Western Europe.

Putin just got the men, equipment, and money to do whatever he wants.

[Captainant 28375]

18 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said:

This has been an absolutely glorious morning. Both waking up to this amazing news and reading 62+ pages on this thread. Just purely fantastic. 

Grab your tiki torches!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13706]

People believed:

• Trump will give them more money in terms of tax breaks especially for lower income people
• undocumented workers are coming to kill your family
• the money that we sent to Ukraine came at the expense of helping you. 
• Prices will be drastically deflationary without negatives impacts

harris and the Dems should have spend more time saying how all of these ideas are bs. And Biden should have been addressing the problems sooner.

[naija 2961]

Have to say, being Black can be a lonely fucking feeling in this country. You see the exit data and yell into the wind

[Frank Drebin 5823]

52 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

House, senate, president and popular vote all lost. Soul searching needs to be done by dem strategists big time. Need to quit trying to play nice guy and not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings and actually fight fire with fire. It’s obvious facts don’t matter. 

Yes.  That’s the issue.  Democrats have just been too nice.  See the posts on this board the last 8 years.  Double down on calling Trump voters dumb racist fascist Nazis.  Double down on bullshit lawfare.  Please.  Just stop being so darn nice.  

41 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Shoutout to @Js1 @BamaATL @Zonahorn for the effort and info during this election cycle.  

Yeah. They fucking nailed it.  

Edited November 6 by Frank Drebin

[Fat Bastard 649]

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

This country is stupid and hateful. My only thought in this is that for all the people that voted for this, or like @Fat Bastard are cheering this, will end up fucked just like the rest of us. They are just too stupid to realize it. 

Maybe, maybe not. I can tell you this is the third time I’ve voted for trump, and I didn’t wring my hands like a beta male pussy, call people fascists, or look to leaving the country 4 years ago when the most inept candidate ever won the election and ran this economy into the ground.  
 

The best thing about this thread is that it identifies the absolute biggest pussies on this website. 

[B00M 6725]

Good thing tariffs on China and Mexico will increase inflation, bring low skill minimum wage manufacturing jobs back to America that none of us want, further separate our economy from china’s (increasing the odds of a Taiwan strike) and increase political pressure for Mexico to resist being our manufacturing center… right? Tariffs will make homes affordable on a high school education again right?!

[DigglerontheHoof 21515]

1 minute ago, Fat Bastard said:

Maybe, maybe not. I can tell you this is the third time I’ve voted for trump, and I didn’t wring my hands like a beta male pussy, call people fascists, or look to leaving the country 4 years ago when the most inept candidate ever won the election and ran this economy into the ground.  
 

The best thing about this thread is that it identifies the absolute biggest pussies on this website. 

Please look me up and call me this to my face.  Please. 

[Fat Bastard 649]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

Please look me up and call me this to my face.  Please. 

🤣🤣🤣

[aggie08 21732]

5 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yes.  That’s the issue.  Democrats have just been too nice.  See the posts on this board the last 8 years.  Double down on calling Trump voters dumb racist fascist Nazis.  

And what the fuck have you all been calling us, not just on a message board, but from the highest levels of government? The amount of hypocrisy that you guys are able to conveniently and completely dismiss is fucking staggering.

[Incredulity 11859]

Challenging people to a fight on the internet.  LOL

[wildcat09 29555]

11 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Double down on bullshit lawfare.  

I guess you don’t think there should be legal consequences for attempting violent coups? Interesting.

[aggie08 21732]

8 minutes ago, Fat Bastard said:

Maybe, maybe not. I can tell you this is the third time I’ve voted for trump, and I didn’t wring my hands like a beta male pussy, call people fascists, or look to leaving the country 4 years ago when the most inept candidate ever won the election and ran this economy into the ground.  
 

The best thing about this thread is that it identifies the absolute biggest pussies on this website. 

Someone who talks like this reprimanding others for calling him a name. That is some peak-level grievance.

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4 years ago when the most inept candidate ever won the election and ran this economy into the ground.

If your 401k and investment accounts haven't made you a ton of money over the past 4 years, that's a you problem at this point.

[wildcat09 29555]

We’ve had literally the best performing economy in the world the past four years and nobody else even comes close.

[Frank Drebin 5823]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I guess you don’t think there should be legal consequences for attempting violent coups? Interesting.

A violent coup?  With selfie sticks and no guns?  The only person shot being an unarmed woman? The American people disagree with your hysterics.  

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

I like how people in Montana think of themselves of cowboy types who don't like outsiders (there's even a TV show about it) but their governor and two senators are now out of state millionaires.

[Frank Drebin 5823]

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

I like how people in Montana think of themselves of cowboy types who don't like outsiders (there's even a TV show about it) but their governor and two senators are now out of state millionaires.

I have a house there.  Spend summers there.  Tester is a morbidly obese slob who votes with Schumer 99.9 percent of the time.  Sheehy will vote in line with what Montanans want. 

[Helobious 9754]

1 hour ago, cabowabo said:

Results from Hidalgo County:

Trump/Vance: 110,415    Harris /Walz: 103,952

Results from Cameron County:

Trump/Vance: 60,925    Harris/Walz: 54,156

Results from Starr County:

Trump/Vance: 9,443    Harris/Walz:  6,845

Unbelievable.   This is reflective of the reasons why the Dems got their asses kicked last night.  And no, it wasn’t racist, Nazi white men.   Your wacko policies (or lack thereof) cost you your base.  Deal with it  

 

 

 

Looks like Mayra Flores still lost though

[Sawbonz 28079]

4 hours ago, ulukinatme said:

They're still here after 4 years of Trump. They'll still be here 4 years from now. Relax.

Not the women who died from miscarriages 

[Incredulity 11859]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

We’ve had literally the best performing economy in the world the past four years and nobody else even comes close.

Told you repeatedly the message that people are too stupid to understand how good things are for them was a losing message.

It’s abundantly clear the macroeconomic measurable are “good” because of obscene government spending.  Inflation has fucked families budgets.  People are very much worse off than they were 4 years ago on monthly expenses.

[David Dennison 19439]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Told you repeatedly the message that people are too stupid to understand how good things are for them was a losing message.

It’s abundantly clear the macroeconomic measurable are “good” because of obscene government spending.  Inflation has fucked families budgets.  People are very much worse off than they were 4 years ago on monthly expenses.

Well, it's not like that's going to get any better.

[CooterBrown 18272]

Good thing tariffs on China and Mexico will increase inflation, bring low skill minimum wage manufacturing jobs back to America that none of us want, further separate our economy from china’s (increasing the odds of a Taiwan strike) and increase political pressure for Mexico to resist being our manufacturing center… right? Tariffs will make homes affordable on a high school education again right?!

Wait until their grocery bill triples when there is no agricultural and meat processing labor left in the US. I guess Tyson chicken will be good since they now have child labor in Arkansas.

[Hook1997 5486]

21 minutes ago, B00M said:

Good thing tariffs on China and Mexico will increase inflation, bring low skill minimum wage manufacturing jobs back to America that none of us want, further separate our economy from china’s (increasing the odds of a Taiwan strike) and increase political pressure for Mexico to resist being our manufacturing center… right? Tariffs will make homes affordable on a high school education again right?!

The tariff thing was promised last time and nothing happened except very few small ones that didn’t make a difference in the big picture at all.  I’ve been saying we need real trariffs on raw goods for years.  But no way our companies that get things so cheap will let it happen.  

[dcbc 14641]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

Sure am glad we took our time prosecuting trump, right @dcbcand @TwiceHorn?????

No words.  My whole immediate family turned out for Harris.  Pretty raw this morning.  Thanks for the solidarity fuck face.  I hope you feel better.

Edited November 6 by dcbc

[Sawbonz 28079]

4 hours ago, ulukinatme said:

Nobody is taking your Social Security and Medicare. This is more fear mongering.

Like nobody’s going to pass laws that cause deaths from miscarriages 

[aggie08 21732]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Told you repeatedly the message that people are too stupid to understand how good things are for them was a losing message.

It’s abundantly clear the macroeconomic measurable are “good” because of obscene government spending.  Inflation has fucked families budgets.  People are very much worse off than they were 4 years ago on monthly expenses.

And almost unanimously economists favorite Harris's plan over Trump's. That his is almost guaranteed to be inflationary. How do you convince people who have no desire to learn or listen to experts? If you have the answer, the Democratic party would certainly love to know.

[Thrawn 538]

Just now, Hook1997 said:

The tariff thing was promised last time and nothing happened except very few small ones that didn’t make a difference in the big picture at all.  I’ve been saying we need real trariffs on raw goods for years.  But no way our companies that get things so cheap will let it happen.  

There was nowhere near the emphasis previously on tariffs being the fix all elixir. I'm hoping there are enough sycophants with half a brain to make sure he isn't actually able to do this to the extent that he wants to. Same goes with the mass deportation crap. Don't give me the line "we are only getting rid of criminals". We are doing the exact same thing right now now.

[Captainant 28375]

Just now, dcbc said:

No words.  Pretty raw this morning.  Thanks for the solidarity fuck face.

Hey now, I'm just mad that our justice system is built to give fascists a pass. I didn't mean to kick while you're down because we're all fucking down. 

[Hook1997 5486]

23 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Someone who talks like this reprimanding others for calling him a name. That is some peak-level grievance.

If your 401k and investment accounts haven't made you a ton of money over the past 4 years, that's a you problem at this point.

This argument is so damn stupid.  Take away Covid and show me the huge difference…. https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-harris-economy-inflation-jobs-c1d411b1

I hate Trump but saying this was some special era and not just cyclical after Covid is just plain dumb.  

Edited November 6 by Hook1997

[Incredulity 11859]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

How do you convince people who have no desire to learn or listen to experts? If you have the answer, the Democratic party would certainly love to know.

A good place to start would be with stopping the condescending appeals to authority about “settled science”.

[TwiceHorn 31982]

4 minutes ago, dcbc said:

No words.  My whole immediate family turned out for Harris.  Pretty raw this morning.  Thanks for the solidarity fuck face.  I hope you feel better.

And, even if convictions secured and appeals exhausted, which was wishcasting in any event, see how much the one conviction and Trump's civil woes changed things.

[David Dennison 19439]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

A good place to start would be with stopping the condescending appeals to authority about “settled science”.

What about appealing to authority about actual settled science, though?

[Fat Bastard 649]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey now, I'm just mad that our justice system is built to give fascists a pass. I didn't mean to kick while you're down because we're all fucking down. 

 

Not all of us. Only the pussies who aren’t able to make their wives cum

[texasdago 7752]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

It was supposed to be celebratory Chili's. Don't subject yourself to sulking in a fucking Chili's. Go do something fun, focus on yourself family, and be temporarily thankful that you probably aren't in a demographic that this will affect the most.

This 

[SimonBolivar 11014]

37 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Yes.  That’s the issue.  Democrats have just been too nice.  See the posts on this board the last 8 years.  Double down on calling Trump voters dumb racist fascist Nazis.  Double down on bullshit lawfare.  Please.  Just stop being so darn nice.  

I dunno man. The D play might be putting forth an economic populist candidate next go around that spits fire for sound bites. I think Trump continues to prove that traditional American politicians are dinosaurs.

 

Of course the left doesn't have the new media presence that the right has so that could fail even bigger than Kamala did.

 

 

[Incredulity 11859]

Just now, David Dennison said:

What about appealing to authority about actual settled science, though?

In the least shocking moment of my morning….

[Hollywood 411]

8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And almost unanimously economists favorite Harris's plan over Trump's. That his is almost guaranteed to be inflationary. How do you convince people who have no desire to learn or listen to experts? If you have the answer, the Democratic party would certainly love to know.

Tik Tok videos?

[TeeDubya 3362]

The country is divided, clearly.  We still clearly have millions of racist, misogynistic, undereducated people who vote against their own interests.

with that as the underlying condition, the Democrats nominating Hillary in 2016 continues to haunt this country.

Whatif time:

Whatif the democrats encourage/allow Biden to run in 2016?  He wins easily, and likely is reelected in 2020.

[Fastbreak 4012]

27 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

We’ve had literally the best performing economy in the world the past four years and nobody else even comes close.

Homie.  You are talking in facts.  That shit doesn't work with these morans...

[dcbc 14641]

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hey now, I'm just mad that our justice system is built to give fascists a pass. I didn't mean to kick while you're down because we're all fucking down. 

 

You want to hear it?  I gave that POS Cannon the benefit of the doubt early on.  I was wrong.  There were delays in his other prosecutions too, some of which were run of the mill and others---like delaying the onset of prosecution on the Federal level---which were inexcusable.  That happens, but it doesn't mean that I, then or now, wish it had not happened that way.  But this country (minus some of the good people of Surly) elected a 34-time convicted felon last night.  I'm pretty confident it would have done so whether he'd been sentenced and was sitting in jail or had a pending appeal.  That's how broken and fucked this all is.  So now that we have that out of the way, you can stop @-ing me on judical delay topics, and I owe you a beer at some point as penance for my prior incorrectitude . . . fuck face.

Edited November 6 by dcbc

[chainsaw 10240]

That map with all the red arrows on it, we can try to dissect it or overanalyze it. I wouldn't.

It only means that propaganda works. The tech bros have won. Condolences.

[TwiceHorn 31982]

5 minutes ago, dcbc said:

You want to hear it.  I gave that POS Cannon the benefit of the doubt early on.  I was wrong.  There were delays in his other prosecutions too, some of which were run of the mill and others---like delaying the onset of prosecution on the Federal level---which were inexcusable.  That happens, but it doesn't mean that I, then or now, wish it had not happened that way.  But this country (minus some of the good people of Surly) elected a 34-time convicted felon last night.  I'm pretty confident it would have done so whether he'd been sentenced and was sitting in jail or had a pending appeal.  That's how broken and fucked this all is.  So now that we have that out of the way, you can stop @-ing me on judical delay topics, and I owe you a beer at some point as penance for my prior incorrectitude . . . fuck face.

The delays were inevitable, we never said otherwise.  Getting final convictions in four years, even five, was going to be tough.

Subsequent events have shown that even bringing the cases in 2021, at the earliest feasible opportunity, would not have changed this outcome.  Even had the Supreme Court expedited the immunity appeal/bypassed the DC Circuit, we'd still be where we are.  Even had they ruled that immunity exists only for core constitutional functions (which I think was inevitable), we'd still be where we are.

 

Edited November 6 by TwiceHorn

[huge 3824]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

That map with all the red arrows on it, we can try to dissect it or overanalyze it. I wouldn't.

It only means that propaganda works. The tech bros have won. Condolences.

Looks like 15M fewer votes for Harris than Biden?  That's more than propaganda...

[Captainant 28375]

2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

You want to hear it?  I gave that POS Cannon the benefit of the doubt early on.  I was wrong.  There were delays in his other prosecutions too, some of which were run of the mill and others---like delaying the onset of prosecution on the Federal level---which were inexcusable.  That happens, but it doesn't mean that I, then or now, wish it had not happened that way.  But this country (minus some of the good people of Surly) elected a 34-time convicted felon last night.  I'm pretty confident it would have done so whether he'd been sentenced and was sitting in jail or had a pending appeal.  That's how broken and fucked this all is.  So now that we have that out of the way, you can stop @-ing me on judical delay topics, and I owe you a beer at some point as penance for my prior incorrectitude . . . fuck face.

The real kicker is gonna be as the justice system swings from uncertain inaction to straight weaponization and extremely fast prosecutions of trumps "enemies of the people", all driven by the fomer delayers. 

I hope you're able to throw some sand in those gears from your position in public service, and not be harnessed to its purpose 

[aggie08 21732]

2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

This argument is so damn stupid.  Take away Covid and show me the huge difference…. https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-harris-economy-inflation-jobs-c1d411b1

I hate Trump but saying this was some special era and not just cyclical is just plain dumb.  

I was making a joke. I don't automatically think high stock market equals great economy. Also, paywalled.

But, the fact is, everyone (who was being honest) knew that inflation was inevitable after 2020, ours is at least low by other first world country standards, and most believe that Trump's plans will make it significantly worse. 

But none of that matters, of course. Because people generally can't connect the dots like that. I don't blame people for feeling economic pain, blaming whoever is in power, and voting accordingly. It's what we do. 

You know damn well the GOP will be touting the same market and same current inflation rate as soon as they're able to.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Meh. The people who follow and understand this kind of political grandstanding aren't the ones that the campaign needed to reach. 

Are you saying you don't think it was possible to get the people who don't pay attention to understand that Biden tried to fix the border but the Rs cynically thwarted him and so they should be the ones who are punished?

[Hefeweizen 5416]

2 minutes ago, huge said:

Looks like 15M fewer votes for Harris than Biden?  That's more than propaganda...

Yeah this was a legitimate red wave.  I am sure everyone will learn the right lessons from it, too.

[Incredulity 11859]

Just now, Captainant said:

The real kicker is gonna be as the justice system swings from uncertain inaction to straight weaponization and extremely fast prosecutions of trumps "enemies of the people", all driven by the fomer delayers. 

I hope you're able to throw some sand in those gears from your position in public service, and not be harnessed to its purpose 

Huh, I thought 

 

Alvin Bragg should probably be bigly concerned right now.