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[Captainant 27625]

2 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Playing the race card is weak. She was a terrible candidate that got 100 days to campaign. She wasn’t going to win bc she was behind the 8 ball from the get go 

So you're saying a convicted fraudulent felon and rapist is not a terrible candidate? 

She wasn't going to win because she was behind the 8 ball as a black woman in America. 

[JBJ 3654]

2 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

The Dem mainstream made huge errors.  Look at the state initiatives.  In every case Voter ID initiatives passed with huge margins, don in the 80’s, which is unheard of.  A ton of Harris voters want this.  The lack of Dem backbone to support voter ID like every other nation has imbued a huge lack of trust.  How do you not support the law?  

same with illegal immigration  and border security.  Dems have mistaken border security as an antiimmgration which alienates lots of legal immigrants who did it right.  Most folks want increased legal immigration. 

dems failed to see that their key constituents are the ones suffering the most from inflation, increased rents, and lagging wages.  They want real solutions and Dems are too busy embracing Palestinians, trans folks, and Ukrainians.  She was a terrible candidate as she was an unpopular VP among a lot of Dems.  She lost ground with every key Dem demographic.  She failed to increase a vote in any county vs Biden.  Has zero to do with her being a woman, her race, etc.  she lost because she’s out of touch.

The top three issues from exit polling was economy, immigration, and national security.  Dems were on the losing side of all 3.

[David Dennison 18845]

3 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Jesus yall are giving the average voter wayyyyy too much credit. the average voter doesnt follow “the dems did this” or “the GOP did that.”

 

people voted based on two things:

1) their wallet (read:cost of goods)

2) people in this country just dont want a woman in charge, let alone a mixed race half black one

 

It has nothing to do with “so and so didnt hit this issue hard enough,” or “they shoulda campaigned more in this state.” 

It might be as simple as inflation and a massively unpopular incumbent whose unpopularity resulted from said inflation.

[Pancho 44693]

How did we have record turnout but 18 million less votes

[GreenspointTexas 9598]

Just now, David Dennison said:

It might be as simple as inflation and a massively unpopular incumbent whose unpopularity resulted from said inflation.

Except inflation isnt bad and has been going down for over 2 years

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Just now, JBJ said:

The top three issues from exit polling was economy, immigration, and national security.  Dems were on the losing side of all 3.

But it was clearly racism. Or sexism. 
 

I’ll say it again. Democrats didn’t like Kamala Harris.  She couldn’t muster 1 percent of the vote in the 2020 primary. Most people think she was a DEI pick by Biden.   

[Horn Dogg 3870]

39 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Is immamac telling us all to quit our jobs in retaliation?

I don’t think it would materially increase the number of hits on Surly.  I have a feeling most people post while at work anyways.

[Deej 76752]

17 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It was her race and gender. You don’t want to admit that because you know how it looks.

 

I’ve told this website before that parts of the Longhorn fan base are no different from A&M. This is one of the examples. 

Surly only bangs votes 11's

[Captainant 27625]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Most people think she was a DEI pick by Biden.   

 

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

But it was clearly racism.

I mean the cognitive dissonance is incredible 

[aggie08 21482]

1 minute ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Except inflation isnt bad and has been going down for over 2 years

They'll magically be able to convince themselves that the economy is good now. Because Republican in White House. It is what it is.

[immamac 42835]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

So you're saying a convicted fraudulent felon and rapist is not a terrible candidate? 

She wasn't going to win because she was behind the 8 ball as a black woman in America. 

She lost because the entire platform is completely fucked. People straight up just didn't vote not only for her, but top to bottom on the ticket. 

You guys don't seem to get it. This isn't a Harris did bad and dragged everyone down with her. This is a real shift in the electorate. This was a sweep. Trump didn't win by single digits. It wasn't close. 

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

How did we have record turnout but 18 million less votes

This is what is making me numb, voting is fucking down, what the hell were these lies?

[EuroHorn 3252]

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

So you're saying a convicted fraudulent felon and rapist is not a terrible candidate? 

She wasn't going to win because she was behind the 8 ball as a black woman in America. 

Why weren’t you complaining about this during the 2020 democratic  primary where she failed miserably?

[Pancho 44693]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

But it was clearly racism. Or sexism. 
 

I’ll say it again. Democrats didn’t like Kamala Harris.  She couldn’t muster 1 percent of the vote in the 2020 primary. Most people think she was a DEI pick by Biden.   

Saying the sarcastic “it must be racism” then following it up with the racist rhetoric of saying she was a DEI pick is peak radical republican.

 

[alincoln 2371]

18 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Dems miscalculated that if you run on the principle of preserving democracy, maybe you shouldn’t run with a candidate who back doored their way into the nomination. 

For the third election in a row.  The Ds orchestrated the 16 and 20 primaries to fuck Bernie and then intentionally ignored Biden’s decline so they could anoint Harris and then had the audacity to claim democracy was under threat.  The Ds set this all in motion by sacrificing the white working class and now apparently the Latino working class to Trump when Bernie would have united the working class and destroyed Trumpism once and for all in 2016. The idiotic fixation on identity over class has created a bizarre amalgamation of blacks, elites, suburban women and LGBTQ as the core constituencies of the party instead of a unified working class.  It has now cost them the popular vote against Trump in a presidential election which no one thought was possible.  Idiots.

[heso 2785]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Trump is the final piece China needs to surpass the U.S. as the preeminent world power.

Their demographic collapse will have something to say about that. But it also forces their hand to make drastic moves sooner rather than later. 

[MissingInAction 25004]

6 hours ago, David Dennison said:

American democracy is way too lucrative to way too many people not to.

Yea. Fascism isn't profitable for long.

[Underdog 28545]

48 minutes ago, immamac said:

This was a complete domination. Republicans have the house, senate, courts and executive in a popular vote. That means more people around you want this.  

If you don't like what that means that's a you problem. Stop blaming everyone else for how they voted. You have a problem with everyone around yourself. Solve that problem or don't. 

A lot of people in here are pearl clutching and all talk. If you don't like it, turn off the government's revenue and quit your job working for whoever. If you want to show them how ruined the economy is under Trump ruin the economy around yourself first. If you are truly principled and have courage to fight for what you believe make a plan now on how you will be a part of the peaceful revolution and do it when Trump is president. Brain drain, lack of workers to do work, industrial collapse and stagnation are all things that are possible if everyone decided they've had enough without bloodshed that force a hard reset. There is no soft landing that includes an America that still has Billionaires that are so rich they make other billionaires look poor. All you have to do is be willing to give up everything to build it all back after the revolution. 

The reality is none of you have had enough to get to this point. There are posters here who lament billionaires, policies that support incingruent behavior with their beliefs and yet still take their paycheck every month from companies and the people that run them that ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM. You all praise the same capitalist principles and when faced with the reality of personal sacrifice or economic impact everyone is doing the same thing, just working and trying to say your work doesn't contribute to the problem why shouldn't you be able to make money. YOU ARE ENTITLES TO YOUR AMERICAN LIFESTYLE.  

This is what happens to people when nothing is more important than money. You lose the ability of accountability because you are desperately attached in a symbiotic relationship with the American Rot Economy. 

I've put my money where my mouth is. I left a job that paid an obscene amount of money in industry to forge a path for myself based on principles I believe in and actually giving a shit about moving the economy, technology and people forward and upward instead of just grifting and accepting my share of the ransack. You know what I've found since? That no one cares, no one believes in American Innovation anymore, no one believes in doing the right thing because it's too hard. Its a lot easier to just shut the fuck up, and do what the bosses tell you even though you know it adds no value or is damaging to your customers or the broader economy. 

Ive found that greed and equity markets are at all time highs. The American Consumer is addicted to its debt fueled spending mania. The real reason things are the way they are is peoples addiction to late stage rot economy. You don't need a visionary leader to live that kind of life.

A strong majority of people on this site can't even be bothered to pay for it. I pour immense amounts of time, money and effort into community building, yet the community insists on destroying itself. What's the point?

 

Here, have a cookie for your accomplishment.  Now got sit in the corner and STFU! 
 

 

 

* Please don’t ban me. 

Edited November 6 by Underdog

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

But it was clearly racism. Or sexism. 
 

I’ll say it again. Democrats didn’t like Kamala Harris.  She couldn’t muster 1 percent of the vote in the 2020 primary. Most people think she was a DEI pick by Biden.   

Your points contradict themselves.  The three biggest issues would have plagued ANY candidate the Dems put forward.  I get it’s fun to dunk on Kamala specifically right now, but there is nothing she - or any other candidate - could have done to overcome the current perception of the Democratic Party in this county.

[cabowabo 4484]

I'm just happy we don't have to hear cries about abolishing the electoral college for the next 4 years.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Saying sthe sarcastic “it must be racism” then following it up with the racism rhetoric of saying she was a DEI pick is peak radical republican.

 

She was.  Especially after Tulsi ended her in that debate.  Biden saw that evisceration yet still picked her.  Maybe pick someone who can pass the bar exam on the first try.  

[David Dennison 18845]

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Except inflation isnt bad and has been going down for over 2 years

But people are still paying higher prices, for the most part.

That's problematic for the incumbent party.

[immamac 42835]

1 minute ago, linux said:

This is what is making me numb, voting is fucking down, what the hell were these lies?

I'm also trying to figure this out. 

Where were all the Joe Biden voters? They just decided to sit this one out? 

[heso 2785]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

People believed:

• Trump will give them more money in terms of tax breaks especially for lower income people
• undocumented workers are coming to kill your family
• the money that we sent to Ukraine came at the expense of helping you. 
• Prices will be drastically deflationary without negatives impacts

harris and the Dems should have spend more time saying how all of these ideas are bs. And Biden should have been addressing the problems sooner.

That’s the beauty of creating false tragedies on the horizon. When they don’t happen, it’s because you stopped it. 

[David Dennison 18845]

Just now, cabowabo said:

I'm just happy we don't have to hear cries about abolishing the electoral college for the next 4 years.

This should never stop. The sooner the electoral college is abolished the better.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Just now, immamac said:

I'm also trying to figure this out. 

Where were all the Joe Biden voters? They just decided to sit this one out? 

Maybe they never really existed.  
 

[i am joking]

[boilerhorn 1372]

One consolation - no more political ads.

I guess the Chili's meetup is no longer happening.

[G650 14229]

Just now, boilerhorn said:

I guess the Chili's meetup is no longer happening.

Small victories and all

[alincoln 2371]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

She lost because the entire platform is completely fucked. People straight up just didn't vote not only for her, but top to bottom on the ticket. 

You guys don't seem to get it. This isn't a Harris did bad and dragged everyone down with her. This is a real shift in the electorate. This was a sweep. Trump didn't win by single digits. It wasn't close. 

And this is how the Ds intentionally carved up the electorate beginning in 2016.  Decided they would rather have Penelope W. as a reliable supporter instead of rust belt union workers because she could them a table at her private dining club.  Brilliant strategy 

[Underdog 28545]

1 minute ago, boilerhorn said:

One consolation - no more political ads.

I guess the Chili's meetup is no longer happening.

Why we went last night just in case of the unthinkable, plus we’re out running errands anyway. 

[David Dennison 18845]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

She was.  Especially after Tulsi ended her in that debate.  Biden saw that evisceration yet still picked her.  Maybe pick someone who can pass the bar exam on the first try.  

Or stop nominating lawyers. 

[EuroHorn 3252]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

I'm also trying to figure this out. 

Where were all the Joe Biden voters? They just decided to sit this one out? 

Maybe they didn’t like the way he was pushed aside by his own party

[Pancho 44693]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

She was.  Especially after Tulsi ended her in that debate.  Biden saw that evisceration yet still picked her.  Maybe pick someone who can pass the bar exam on the first try.  

Do you not see the hypocrisy and racism here? 

[Underdog 28545]

But the good news is Texas is in the Top5 of the CFP rankings. 

[immamac 42835]

The complete lack of leadership coming out of the Democratic Party right now is also incredibly telling. Joe is as lame duck as lame duck can be. Kamala is nowhere to be found with no statement to be made when it's clear there's nothing but formalities left. 

[Leeroy Jenkins 2397]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

That map with all the red arrows on it, we can try to dissect it or overanalyze it. I wouldn't.

It only means that propaganda works. The tech bros have won. Condolences.

This.  Backed by Russia disinformation.  Russia has played the long game right in our face and most are too ignorant to see it.  

[Brisketexan 105057]

Yeah. I’ve got nothing. We are who I thought we were. I’m really tired of being right about how awful we are.

Today, do what you can, for who you can. Shine a light. There is a “coming out on the other side.” I suspect I won’t live to see it. Maybe our kids will. So, let’s help them get there.

I’m sorry. For those of you who have already been hurt, and those who will be. I’m sorry.

Forward. As much as we can.

[G650 14229]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Yeah. I’ve got nothing. We are who I thought we were. I’m really tired of being right about how awful we are.

Today, do what you can, for who you can. Shine a light. There is a “coming out on the other side.” I suspect I won’t live to see it. Maybe our kids will. So, let’s help them get there.

I’m sorry. For those of you who have already been hurt, and those who will be. I’m sorry.

Forward. As much as we can.

Yup

[Pancho 44693]

Are the radical republicans here going to say anything about the bomb threats that only happened in minority, dem precincts?

[immamac 42835]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Are the radical republicans here going to say anything about the bomb threats that only happened in minority, dem precincts?

Who gives a shit man. That's not what impacted anything. 

[Hank Kingsley 20903]

12 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I'm just happy we don't have to hear cries about abolishing the electoral college for the next 4 years.

We should absolutely abolish the electoral college. 

[ChemicalHorn 352]

12 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I'm just happy we don't have to hear cries about abolishing the electoral college for the next 4 years.

I’m just glad we don’t have to hear cries about a rigged and stolen election for the next 4 years.

And the electoral college is still stupid.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

9 minutes ago, alincoln said:

And this is how the Ds intentionally carved up the electorate beginning in 2016.  Decided they would rather have Penelope W. as a reliable supporter instead of rust belt union workers because she could them a table at her private dining club.  Brilliant strategy 

Ds have definitely captured the childless unattractive single woman with multiple cats on SSRIs at about a 99.9 percent rate.

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Are the radical republicans here going to say anything about the bomb threats that only happened in minority, dem precincts?

You know who made those threats?  

[horncyclist 1387]

Also posted this on the House Thread that appeared to not have much activity, so putting here too. How's the House looking? NY Times has a good dashboard showing what's outstanding and bucketing expected winners. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-house.html If you take the "Democrats expected to win easily" and "Democracts expected to win narrowly" races with a current dem lead, you get to a dem majority. It's surprising they could pull this off given Kamala's collapse but perhaps Trump/GOP's relative neglect of down ballet led to this outcome. This would be a massive silver lining if they pull it off and provide at least some check on Trump's power. What's the read here from experts? Pelosi stated confidently they would take the house, though no telling if she knew what was in-store for Kamala at that point--guessing she did and factored in to her prediction. 

[Chopper 17230]

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

She sucks

e: By she I mean the whole Democrat apparatus sucks, the number of fumbles was always there for everyone to see

It wasn't fumbles. It was 7 nazi billionaires spending 800billion $$ of bullshit to feed idiots and fuck up with their algorithms. It was the media. She ran a great campaign.

[Gil Bang 25907]

10 hours ago, Pancho said:

Shapiro 2028

That's the dumbest thing I've seen lately. 

You think this shitbag country is going to vote for a fucking Jew?  Are you fucking high?  White "Christian" males only.   Others need not apply. 

[EuroHorn 3252]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

We should absolutely abolish the electoral college. 

Yes, that would have made things much different in this election cycle…

[immamac 42835]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

It wasn't fumbles. It was 7 nazi billionaires spending 800billion $$ of bullshit to feed idiots and fuck up with their algorithms. It was the media. She ran a great campaign.

She obviously didn't. She didn't even get to Joe Biden's vote count. Trump didn't find more voters. 

[Hookah Horns 3083]

Corporate America jacking up prices since the pandemic was a real stroke of genius. Use inflation as a cover for price hikes, get record profits, and also get everyone to elect the man who will cut corporate taxes. Instead of the candidate who promised to take on the greed of corporate America. 

Absolutely sickens me. 

[immamac 42835]

Just now, EuroHorn said:

Yes, that would have made things much different in this election cycle…

Maybe maybe not, but the EC is stupid full stop

Just now, Hookah Horns said:

Corporate America jacking up prices since the pandemic was a real stroke of genius. Use inflation as a cover for price hikes, get record profits, and also get everyone to elect the man who will cut corporate taxes. Instead of the candidate who promised to take on the greed of corporate America. 

Absolutely sickens me. 

*swipes card and buys shit anyway*