Surly Horns Official 🇺🇸 2024 Election Day 🇺🇸

[EuroHorn 3,193]

2 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

He won the popular vote? He was the superior candidate in the Republican Party for 12 years. Kamala was always unpopular and got a fake media bump when she was announced, in reality she was never popular. And wouldn’t have been nominated under normal circumstances (as shown in 2020). I’ll go the other direction and say the only reason she did half as well as she did is because she is a woman. 

It’s not Harris’ fault.  Her party panicked when Joe flopped in the debate.  Voters were disenfranchised given that party leaders made the decision to push her out front. 

[David Dennison 18,168]

18 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Need a constitutional amendment.

Good luck with that.

No, you don't. 

You just need a requisite amount of states to agree to award their electors to the popular vote winner.

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

Just now, Chopper said:

I don't know how you idiots are blaming Kamala Harris. She was part of the most successful 4 years of a US presidency for anyone under age 40. They completely turned this country around from the burning ashes left by the trumptards and put us at an elite position in the world economy. 

The American people disagree.

[DigglerontheHoof 20,818]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Weird how he only seems to take territory when Democrats hold the presidency.

We'll be his ally now.  Your dream come true. 

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

Just now, David Dennison said:

No, you don't. 

You just need a requisite amount of states to agree to award their electors to the popular vote winner.

Good luck with that.

[Texasborn91 888]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And now you have to find a replacement.

Good luck.

and your journey begins today. Congrats!

[Captainant 27,106]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Uh, popularity of the cloture rule in the Senate just made a dramatic reversal on this board. Mitch McConnell's hard line stance wrt the filibuster probably saved the Democrats neck for the next 2 years.  

it's cute you don't think they're just gonna remove the filibuster anyways

[Anastasis 23,260]

12 minutes ago, WBT said:

I think most people on this board are about to see the benefits of the filibuster

Yep. 

[Hank Kingsley 20,421]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

Well that and disagreement on just about every issue

...which is a result from two political parties trying to game the Electoral College for decades. 

 

[WBT 20,333]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

...which is a result from two political parties trying to game the Electoral College for decades. 

 

Which would differ from trying to game the popular vote?

[Js1 84,916]

I'm out for a couple of weeks.  Need to detox.

Everything sucks, etc. etc. This country is cooked.

Hopefully Texas can win out in football. 

[Anastasis 23,260]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

it's cute you don't think they're just gonna remove the filibuster anyways

With Mitch riding off into the sunset, it is certainly in play. 

[Texasborn91 888]

2 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

It’s not Harris’ fault.  Her party panicked when Joe flopped in the debate.  Voters were disenfranchised given that party leaders made the decision to push her out front. 

Agreed. I’m surprised the Dems didn’t have the foresight to see that Biden was a 1 term president. Then it was reactionary panic when he shit the bed when I think it was obvious waaay before that. 

[linux 1,537]

Where is this god damn record turnout? so many tens of millions of votes fewer than last time. What the fuck was this promise?

Just now, Anastasis said:

Yep. 

No, acceleration is the only thing that can save us now a good economy is not enough, low inflation near the end i not enough, low unemployment statistically is not enough, just pray it is not Nazi Germany accelerationism where almost 50 million die.

[Hookah Horns 3,037]

27 minutes ago, immamac said:

Maybe maybe not, but the EC is stupid full stop

*swipes card and buys shit anyway* 

Well yeah, I need my shit. 

[Red Five 40,558]

I have no idea if it would have mattered, but running against a convicted felon awaiting sentencing, as well as a few other trials, and not making it a part of your campaign, was certainly a choice. 

[SubliminalHorn 6,496]

1 minute ago, Texasborn91 said:

Agreed. I’m surprised the Dems didn’t have the foresight to see that Biden was a 1 term president. Then it was reactionary panic when he shit the bed when I think it was obvious waaay before that. 

Dems did see him as a one term president. He didn’t. Nothing you can about that

[David Dennison 18,168]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I don't know how you idiots are blaming Kamala Harris. She was part of the most successful 4 years of a US presidency for anyone under age 40. They completely turned this country around from the burning ashes left by the trumptards and put us at an elite position in the world economy. 

And yet she couldn't convince the American electorate that she's a better choice than Donald Trump.

I'm not sure that's the sign of an effective campaigner.

[immamac 42,258]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

I have no idea if it would have mattered, but running against a convicted felon awaiting sentencing, as well as a few other trials, and not making it a part of your campaign, was certainly a choice. 

As a prosecutor no less. 

[Chopper 17,036]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Weird how he only seems to take territory when Democrats hold the presidency.

Not sure what that has to do with anything when the republikkkans MO is to give tax breaks to billionaires and drive up the US deficit.

But it's also wWeird how you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Georgian War: Bush Sr. South Ossetian War: Bush Sr. Tajikstan: Bush Sr. 2008: Georgia again.

 

[David Dennison 18,168]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

I have no idea if it would have mattered, but running against a convicted felon awaiting sentencing, as well as a few other trials, and not making it a part of your campaign, was certainly a choice. 

So was openly embracing every Republican willing to campaign against him.

[Red Five 40,558]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

As a prosecutor no less. 

I honestly don't know if I heard one single word during this campaign about Trump owing half a billion dollars to the state of New York. A man who will famously do anything for money. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3,533]

In talking to a lot of blue collar Latinos in Texas I really don't think Kamala Harris ever had a chance with them. Especially since Biden was not out in front of a camera every week bragging about his accomplishments. 90% of people have no idea anything good Biden did.

 

Things I heard:

1) Inflation or everything is more expensive than it was a few years ago

2) I'm living to paycheck to paycheck, whats up with all this free money to poor people / other countries?

3) A lot of them dislike undocumented Latinos for making them "look bad".

4) Trump is macho / sexism

 

~85% of people made up their mind before Kamala even entered the race.

Believing Liz & Dick Cheney were awesome endorsements was stupid but don't think she really had a chance.

Obama won 2x so don't agree with a candidate has to be white but yeah, sexism is on the rise.

[Hank Kingsley 20,421]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

Which would differ from trying to game the popular vote?

Try to use your brain for a bit. Imagine what policies and rhetoric would look like if Dem Presidential candidates actually tried to get votes from SEC states and rural areas. And if Republican candidates tried to curry favor in West Coast states and big cities.  Politics is deeply warped now and the reason is the Electoral College. If we had a popular vote we wouldn't have these extreme differences. 

 

 

 

[linux 1,537]

Dems needed a white guy but the way the mood of the electorate is headed it is not enough, he would have won 2024 but lost 2028, the decline of the manufacturing industry is coming home to roost, we need Trumps 100% tariffs and shock therapy, too many people dreaming of the single home 1950s when China is impossible to overtake on manufacturing.

[immamac 42,258]

Just now, David Dennison said:

And yet she couldn't convince the American electorate that she's a better choice than Donald Trump.

I'm not sure that's the sign of an effective campaigner.

I think the campaign they ran was well run. The mechanics of the campaign were sound.

The strategy of the campaign failed and clearly missed the mark entirely. There is an obvious enthusiasm gap here. 

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I have no idea if it would have mattered, but running against a convicted felon awaiting sentencing, as well as a few other trials, and not making it a part of your campaign, was certainly a choice. 

The majority of Americans believe those were all political proceedings.  The Banana Republic lawfare brought in deep blue areas that would make Roland Freisler blush just backfired bigly.  Like many said it would.

[heso 2,747]

53 minutes ago, immamac said:

I'm also trying to figure this out. 

Where were all the Joe Biden voters? They just decided to sit this one out? 

There are two houses in my area that drew my attention. One was in a massive sign war with his Trumper neighbor in 2020. Nothing this year. The other was a guy that had a couple Biden signs in his yard next door to a Trump house until Biden dropped out. Never replaced them for Harris. 

My precinct moved 2% towards Harris from 2020, but clearly enough of this state felt the same way as these two people that almost every county shifted a couple points to the right and flipped the state. 

And it looks like those reasons are several and play out differently in different parts of the state. Inflation, immigration, racism, misogyny, disinformation. 

Im sure the shift in central Philly, suburban Pittsburgh, Latino Allentown, and rural central PA all saw it a little differently, but they all shifted right a little bit. 

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[linux 1,537]

1 minute ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

In talking to a lot of blue collar Latinos in Texas I really don't think Kamala Harris ever had a chance with them. Especially since Biden was not out in front of a camera every week bragging about his accomplishments. 90% of people have no idea anything good Biden did.

 

Things I heard:

1) Inflation or everything is more expensive than it was a few years ago

2) I'm living to paycheck to paycheck, whats up with all this free money to poor people / other countries?

3) A lot of them dislike undocumented Latinos for making them "look bad".

4) Trump is macho / sexism

 

~85% of people made up their mind before Kamala even entered the race.

Believing Liz & Dick Cheney were awesome endorsements was stupid but don't think she really had a chance.

Obama won 2x so don't agree with a candidate has to be white but yeah, sexism is on the rise.

Obama is long over, not even he could win today, people are angry they no longer have manufacturing jobs, those are never coming back but we will see how they like shock therapy where they won't even have gig economy jobs.

[Spankytoes 1,721]

4 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Tell this to your Medicare kidneys 

Got me fucker!

[Aqua Buddha 14,450]

8 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Agreed. I’m surprised the Dems didn’t have the foresight to see that Biden was a 1 term president. Then it was reactionary panic when he shit the bed when I think it was obvious waaay before that. 

The problem was that Biden didn't have the foresight to see that he was a one term president.  After the midterms, he should have announced he wasn't going to run and they'd have a resulting primary.  My guess is Whitmer would have won that.

[Hank Kingsley 20,421]

And whew, echo chambers are a real problem these days. I don't know how we solve that crisis. 

 

[Red Five 40,558]

By about midnight last night, I actually started to laugh at Steve Kornacki showing every single fucking county drifting towards Trump. "Ok lets take a look at Smith County here in Georgia. Trump promised to nuke this county on multiple occasions, but as you see here he is running four points ahead of Biden's 2020 numbers...."

[WBT 20,333]

10 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Agreed. I’m surprised the Dems didn’t have the foresight to see that Biden was a 1 term president. Then it was reactionary panic when he shit the bed when I think it was obvious waaay before that. 

It's shocking really that they thought they could weekend at bernie's (not that one) it to re-election

[immamac 42,258]

1 minute ago, linux said:

Obama is long over, not even he could win today, people are angry they no longer have manufacturing jobs, those are never coming back but we will see how they like shock therapy where they won't even have gig economy jobs.

Obama would have mopped the floor with Trump. He eviscerated him every time he spoke. 

Obama had more votes than Kamala did this year. 

Trump lost some voters, but Kamala lost A TON of voters. The data is there look for yourself. 

[linux 1,537]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

And whew, echo chambers are a real problem these days. I don't know how we solve that crisis. 

 

Accelerationism, I hate it, I fight against it during election season but that is over, but we need accelerationsim, let them do shock therapy, lets see if midwest voters enjoy pining for jobs that will never come back.

[DaysOff 7,724]

Is immamac telling us all to quit our jobs in retaliation?

I do like money, and I was going to get richer the next 4 years regardless. I also don't have a uterus, so why worry.

[Pancho 43,921]

[linux 1,537]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Obama would have mopped the floor with Trump. He eviscerated him every time he spoke. 

Obama had more votes than Kamala did this year. 

Trump lost some voters, but Kamala lost A TON of voters. The data is there look for yourself. 

Obama in 2008 and 2012 did, but manufacturing jobs anger is key. The economy was objectively doing great, but manu jobs are what murdered the blue wall

[Anastasis 23,260]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The problem was that Biden didn't have the foresight to see that he was a one term president. 

The problem was that Biden's people didn't shut it down discretely, and the media covered for his cognitive decline right up until it was completely untenable to continue to do so. 

[Ojo Rojo 1,825]

3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

House, senate, president and popular vote all lost. Soul searching needs to be done by dem strategists big time. Need to quit trying to play nice guy and not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings and actually fight fire with fire. It’s obvious facts don’t matter. 

I don't know what political strategy would make a difference other than become more like the Republicans.  Abandon women, minorities, working people, pro-choice, immigrants, etc.?  At what point do you politically strategize yourself into becoming what it was you were fighting in the first place?

[Anastasis 23,260]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Do you have these breakouts for 2020 and 2016 as well?  Would also be interested in seeing a generation-gender stratification across those timeframes.  

[chainsaw 9,765]

These numbers are really no different from what I expected from Biden if he'd stayed in. Allowing him to run for re-election in the first place was a massive miscalculation by the party. What shocks me is that none of the 2016-style alarm bells were going off, and all the favorability numbers and conventional wisdom were saying this would either be a close race or a blowout in Harris's favor.

Taylor Swift getting all those new registrations? All these records being shattered in big cities? Fewer Trump signs and people falling asleep at his rallies? The Dobbs effect? Her massive cash advantage and all these field offices and organized ground game?

Was all of that a big lie?

The only thing I knew to be true going into last night was that Mexican-Americans have absolutely abandoned the Democrats, perhaps forever. I sensed it on a recent trip to the RGV, and last night's results confirmed it. Hillary Clinton won Starr County by nearly 80 percent, Biden barely held onto it, and this year it went red by a lot. "Fun" Fact: Starr County is the first place where a DA prosecuted a woman for having an abortion, before Dobbs.

Harris also lost the population centers of McAllen and Brownsville. That was unthinkable twenty years ago. RGV has now become a mini West Virginia, where only incumbent Dems with strong name recognition have any chance.

I think Harris ran a near-perfect campaign. She did not make the mistakes Hillary made. This one's on the voters.

[Pancho 43,921]

It’s just odd…

- Last night Dems were delighted, and saw their internals showing a Harris victory

- Racist republicans were in disarray because they saw a trump defeat coming full steam ahead

- Elmo, Kirk, miller—all of them were panicking.

 

Then magically, everything shifted to the right?

[Kel Varnsen 8,374]

17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I'm out for a couple of weeks.  Need to detox.

Everything sucks, etc. etc. This country is cooked.

Hopefully Texas can win out in football. 

Take care of yourself! We have Softball and WBB to look forward to as well!

[Chopper 17,036]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

Obama in 2008 and 2012 did, but manufacturing jobs anger is key. The economy was objectively doing great, but manu jobs are what murdered the blue wall

dotard did a great job in his 4 years bringing them back. So much progress was made. Their campaign targeted white men with total bullshit and white men either voted for a nazi or they didn't vote. 

[aggie08 20,978]

Just now, Pancho said:

It’s just odd…

- Last night Dems were delighted, and saw their internals showing a Harris victory

- Racist republicans were in disarray because they saw a trump defeat coming full steam ahead

- Elmo, Kirk, miller—all of them were panicking.

 

Then magically, everything shifted to the right?

This is a bit, correct?

[immamac 42,258]

Just now, chainsaw said:

These numbers are really no different from what I expected from Biden if he'd stayed in. Allowing him to run for re-election in the first place was a massive miscalculation by the party. What shocks me is that none of the 2016-style alarm bells were going off, and all the favorability numbers and conventional wisdom were saying this would either be a close race or a blowout in Harris's favor.

Taylor Swift getting all those new registrations? All these records being shattered in big cities? Fewer Trump signs and people falling asleep at his rallies? The Dobbs effect? Her massive cash advantage and all these field offices and organized ground game?

Was all of that a big lie?

The only thing I knew to be true going into last night was that Mexican-Americans have absolutely abandoned the Democrats, perhaps forever. I sensed it on a recent trip to the RGV, and last night's results confirmed it. Hillary Clinton won Starr County by nearly 80 percent, Biden barely held onto it, and this year it went red by a lot. "Fun" Fact: Starr County is the first place where a DA prosecuted a woman for having an abortion, before Dobbs.

Harris also lost the population centers of McAllen and Brownsville. That was unthinkable twenty years ago. RGV has now become a mini West Virginia, where only incumbent Dems with strong name recognition have any chance.

I think Harris ran a near-perfect campaign. She did not make the mistakes Hillary made. This one's on the voters.

Mechanically the campaign was good and likely effective. I don't think it was a good campaign because it missed the mark entirely. 

[Gap03 3,223]

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

it's cute you don't think they're just gonna remove the filibuster anyways

I hadn't paid attention to the Senate races overnight, but if the Senate really ends up 53-47 or 54-46, none of the normie Rs are even going to bother to put up resistance on the worst judicial candidates and the federal judiciary is going to be absolutely gutted for a generation (even more than it already is).  The GQP won't need to be bother cramming cases through Amarillo or Cannon's court pretty soon.

[WBT 20,333]

12 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Imagine what policies and rhetoric would look like if Dem Presidential candidates actually tried to get votes from SEC states and rural areas. And if Republican candidates tried to curry favor in West Coast states and big cities. 

It would probably look a lot like Harris desperately trying to win Georgia and NC.  And like Trump winning the election by cutting into the margins in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.