Surly Horns Official 🇺🇸 2024 Election Day 🇺🇸

[chainsaw 9765]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

It’s just odd…

- Last night Dems were delighted, and saw their internals showing a Harris victory

- Racist republicans were in disarray because they saw a trump defeat coming full steam ahead

- Elmo, Kirk, miller—all of them were panicking.

 

Then magically, everything shifted to the right?

This could be copium, or maybe sour grapes, but I agree with you. It's not adding up.

[Anastasis 23260]

15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So was openly embracing every Republican willing to campaign against him.

Running out Liz and Dick Fucking Cheney was a masterful political strategy. Real finger on the pulse shit. 

[DaysOff 7724]

It was her race and gender. You don’t want to admit that because you know how it looks.
 
I’ve told this website before that parts of the Longhorn fan base are no different from A&M. This is one of the examples. 

He's not wrong. I wouldn't attempt a candidate like this until at least 2044.

[boilerhorn 1281]

14 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Agreed. I’m surprised the Dems didn’t have the foresight to see that Biden was a 1 term president. 

This.  It seemed to me he was in 2020.

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

The problem was that Biden's people didn't shut it down discretely, and the media covered for his cognitive decline right up until it was completely untenable to continue to do so. 

I read that Biden's people enjoyed the adulation, the experience, etc. of being president, so they did their best to hide/ignore his cognitive decline until it was no longer possible.

D's did nothing strategic in 2020. A potato could have beaten Trump that year...

[Incredulity 11279]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

 

Do you have these breakouts for 2020 and 2016 as well?  Would also be interested in seeing a generation-gender stratification across those timeframes.  

Media reported last might Trump was doing greater than 15pts better with black men and around 10 with black women.  Thats top of head and from a moment in time.  It isn’t clear what time period above chart references

[Pancho 43921]

A reporter on twitter is at the Atlanta ICE office talking to migrants. She’s saying most of the people there would have voted for trump because they believe trump won’t deport them because they are there to work and aren’t criminals. Most of those people admitted they crossed over illegally.

 

Dems have a huge problem.

[Skipper 5997]

10 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

It’s not Harris’ fault.  Her party panicked when Joe flopped in the debate.  Voters were disenfranchised given that party leaders made the decision to push her out front. 

I don't even think it was that.  She actually ended up being a better candidate than I thought she would.  Doubtful she wins in a true primary process but i'm not convinced anyone could have done much better.  I think it came down to 2 things that I previewed last year and was shit all over in this forum.   Rapid inflation over last 4 years (which was inevitable regardless of executive control but that doesn't matter as party in charge will always get the blame) which was the biggest problem, combined with the now 'fact' that progressive ideas/PC culture are just flat out losers.  MAGA made it a culture war and it worked.  Nobody wants to hear it or accept it but it's the truth.  For example, not being able to just flat out say unequivocally "biological men should not play women's sports" is a loser.  It doesn't matter if it's not happening in reality (we know it's not).

This was a referendum on the economy and 'woke' culture in a social media algorithm driven world and there aren't enough educated voters who have retained the ability to critically analyze issues left to make a difference.   This is an era of low information voters across all age groups and demographics, and regardless how much I didn't want to believe it would actually happen, it swung the way I felt it might for the past 2 years (although I never thought it would be a full popular vote shift).  I'm going to retire away from the cloak room again, but I'll be fascinated to see WTF the D party does when the dust settles because this was a shock to the system.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18895]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

She was.  Especially after Tulsi ended her in that debate.  Biden saw that evisceration yet still picked her.  Maybe pick someone who can pass the bar exam on the first try.  

Holding water for a known Russian asset.  Awesome. Keep being you.

[immamac 42258]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

This could be copium, or maybe sour grapes, but I agree with you. It's not adding up.

Yeah people didn't show up to vote who they thought were gonna show up and vote. 

 

1 minute ago, boilerhorn said:

This.  It seemed to me he was in 2020.

I read that Biden's people enjoyed the adulation, the experience, etc. of being president, so they did their best to hide/ignore his cognitive decline until it was no longer possible.

D's did nothing strategic in 2020. A potato could have beaten Trump that year...

What if I told you one did? 

[Red Five 40558]

Well, I guess Ann Seltzer isn't a thing anymore. Only off 16 points. 

[Pancho 43921]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

This is a bit, correct?

?

[Chopper 17036]

The media covered for Trump's decline. And they still do. 

[Hank Kingsley 20421]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

It would probably look a lot like Harris desperately trying to win Georgia and NC.  And like Trump winning the election by cutting into the margins in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

Try to look further back and bigger picture instead of what happened in this election cycle. I'll wait. 

 

 

[linux 1537]

We need economic accelerationsm, Democrats are absolutely incapable of going to war for  manufacturing jobs, so we need the reality of what eternal manufacturing slumber means. Shock therapy will affect the administrative state which will then trickle down to the gig economy. Economic collapse is the only thing that will ever and mean ever convince voters that Republicans are not the party of "the economy stupid" Clinton could not solve this either since he was a NAFTA creator, he was for free trade that demanufactured the US. Don't get me wrong it was inevitable 100% tariffs will only mean more expensive goods, those jobs are not coming back, but the idiots in their infinite wisdom still think it will

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I'm out for a couple of weeks.  Need to detox.

Everything sucks, etc. etc. This country is cooked.

Hopefully Texas can win out in football. 

Time to go call Quinn a pussy so I can read some funny replies to take my mind of the election 

[B00M 6182]

2 hours ago, huge said:

Looks like 15M fewer votes for Harris than Biden?  That's more than propaganda...

That covidstimulus the dems passed early in Bidens term, shortly after trumps stimulus, was clearly a mistake. Who knows how much it actually impacted the headline inflation, but it eliminated deniability. 

[boilerhorn 1281]

Just now, immamac said:

What if I told you one did? 

Subtly my point

[Longhorn_Fan68 33768]

I keep reading about 20M missing votes. Is this wishcasting or something real?

[boilerhorn 1281]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Mechanically the campaign was good and likely effective. I don't think it was a good campaign because it missed the mark entirely. 

I believe @immamac's point: They executed a shitty strategy to perfection.  This is the outcome.

[immamac 42258]

Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I keep reading about 20M missing votes. Is this wishcasting or something real?

They aren't missing. They stayed fucking home. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18895]

1 hour ago, alincoln said:

And this is how the Ds intentionally carved up the electorate beginning in 2016.  Decided they would rather have Penelope W. as a reliable supporter instead of rust belt union workers because she could them a table at her private dining club.  Brilliant strategy 

LOL.  This shows how little you know about me or my voting history.  I disagree with the Democrats on a lot of things.  Big tent. Maybe the reality is we need more parties becuase the big tent isn't working.

[DaysOff 7724]

Saying the sarcastic “it must be racism” then following it up with the racist rhetoric of saying she was a DEI pick is peak radical republican.
 

Well, he's a Christian, so...

[Helobious 9454]

Ironically Selzer had the most inaccurate poll of anyone. All those other polls that were positive for trump were pretty accurate

[Hookah Horns 3037]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

A reporter on twitter is at the Atlanta ICE office talking to migrants. She’s saying most of the people there would have voted for trump because they believe trump won’t deport them because they are there to work and aren’t criminals. Most of those people admitted they crossed over illegally.

 

Dems have a huge problem.

Just have to laugh at this point. 

Not sure I believe in democracy anymore. People now are generally too stupid and consume too much disinformation. I really think me being king would be best for everyone. 

[Chopper 17036]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

a)Rapid inflation over last 4 years (which was inevitable regardless of executive control but that doesn't matter as party in charge will always get the blame) which was the biggest problem,

 

b) combined with the now 'fact' that progressive ideas/PC culture are just flat out losers. 

a) Better economic record in the US than in ANY OTHER OECD country. A story uncovered by our failed media.

b) Democratic policies are viewed much more favorably by the electorate compared to repulikkkan. Many in the electorate are too stupid and uninformed about who favors which policies.

[Red Five 40558]

Harris sitting on 14 million fewer votes than Biden got during a fucking pandemic is absolutely amazing. 

[6th Street 6323]

0-2 with females. Need to run a clean cut middle aged white man next time. 

[chainsaw 9765]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Yeah people didn't show up to vote who they thought were gonna show up and vote. 

Wouldn't the internals and turnout data have foretold all this, though? Journos are pretty good at knowing who's feeling confident behind the scenes and why. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk and Pee Wee German were freaking the fuck out, especially about the gender gap.

This wasn't just a polling miss, it was an everything miss.

[Hookah Horns 3037]

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Well, I guess Ann Seltzer isn't a thing anymore. Only off 16 points. 

I'd say I got hacked if I was her. 

[Pancho 43921]

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I keep reading about 20M missing votes. Is this wishcasting or something real?

It’s picking up steam on social media. The media media won’t ask about it though.

Biden should resign today

[chainsaw 9765]

Just now, 6th Street said:

0-2 with females. Need to run a clean cut middle aged white man next time. 

The biggest "winner" is Gavin Newsom. Kept his powder dry, was a good soldier, and he will be leading up the "resistance" for four years

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18895]

I find it funny that all the Daily Texan posters are now in the Cloak Room gloating. Absolute bunch of cowards you all are.

[Ojo Rojo 1825]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Except inflation isnt bad and has been going down for over 2 years

You and your facts.  Hmph.

[Kel Varnsen 8374]

2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Just have to laugh at this point. 

Not sure I believe in democracy anymore. People now are generally too stupid and consume too much disinformation. I really think me being king would be best for everyone. 

[aggie08 20978]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The problem was that Biden's people didn't shut it down discretely, and the media covered for his cognitive decline right up until it was completely untenable to continue to do so. 

I'm sorry, but this is revisionist history. The White House absolutely covered for him and need to own that. Though, not sure what you do when the POTUS is adamant about running again, and his family isn't stepping in.

But every third story was asking if Biden was too old for reelection. Or "How severe is Biden's cognitive decline? Dissect this 30 second clip and decide." What else could they say? Make medical declarations from afar?

[Red Five 40558]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

The biggest "winner" is Gavin Newsom. Kept his powder dry, was a good soldier, and he will be leading up the "resistance" for four years

Oh hey there Secretary Mayor Pete. 

[linux 1537]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Wouldn't the internals and turnout data have foretold all this, though? Journos are pretty good at knowing who's feeling confident behind the scenes and why. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk and Pee Wee German were freaking the fuck out, especially about the gender gap.

This wasn't just a polling miss, it was an everything miss.

I am still in shock about this, how could they have not known that the microtargeting was off? how could they have not been panicking about turnout, Hillary was panicking what the fuck was Kamala doing yesterday?

[aggie08 20978]

3 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

0-2 with females. Need to run a clean cut middle aged white man next time. 

Not a gay one either. Or one from California. Or Jewish. Well, shit.

[Pancho 43921]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Wouldn't the internals and turnout data have foretold all this, though? Journos are pretty good at knowing who's feeling confident behind the scenes and why. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk and Pee Wee German were freaking the fuck out, especially about the gender gap.

This wasn't just a polling miss, it was an everything miss.

 

Yes. 

Even Fox was starting to concede Harris was going to win leading up to Election Day because everyone’s internals were saying that. If they weren’t, that is a major news story that every media outlet would have been reporting on.

[Honeysucklerose 956]

That was a butt kicking.

[chainsaw 9765]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Oh hey there Secretary Mayor Pete. 

He's a gay though. 55% of the country think there's something wrong with that (NTTAWWT)

[wildcat09 28955]

I somehow doubt many voters would've actually given a shit about Biden's age. They clearly didn't care about Trump's.

[EuroHorn 3193]

13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s just odd…

- Last night Dems were delighted, and saw their internals showing a Harris victory

- Racist republicans were in disarray because they saw a trump defeat coming full steam ahead

- Elmo, Kirk, miller—all of them were panicking.

 

Then magically, everything shifted to the right?

You’re starting to sound like a 2020 republican

[immamac 42258]

Just now, chainsaw said:

Wouldn't the internals and turnout data have foretold all this, though? Journos are pretty good at knowing who's feeling confident behind the scenes and why. Meanwhile Charlie Kirk and Pee Wee German were freaking the fuck out, especially about the gender gap.

This wasn't just a polling miss, it was an everything miss.

Exit poll vote attribution is also not 100% accurate. We know how many and from where. 

How many is a smaller number than Kamala Harris and everyone needed and the where was EVERYWHERE not just the swing states. This was blanket low enthusiasm and under performance 

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

It’s picking up steam on social media. The media media won’t ask about it though.

Biden should resign today

What? Stop doing conspiracy theory nonsense. 

[aggie08 20978]

7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The biggest "winner" is Gavin Newsom. Kept his powder dry, was a good soldier, and he will be leading up the "resistance" for four years

The GOP just kicked ass on a liberals are too radical and out of touch about the economy platform. Nominating a slick-hair from "Commiefornia" ain't the answer.

Edited 16 hours ago by aggie08

[David Dennison 18168]

16 minutes ago, linux said:

Obama in 2008 and 2012 did, but manufacturing jobs anger is key. The economy was objectively doing great, but manu jobs are what murdered the blue wall

The prices that remain high even though inflation has returned to normal is what smashed the blue wall.

[chainsaw 9765]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

I somehow doubt many voters would've actually given a shit about Biden's age. They clearly didn't care about Trump's.

We're numb to everything and anything Trump does.

But we were not prepared to see Biden look as frail and doddering as he looked that fateful night.

[Texasborn91 888]

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

A reporter on twitter is at the Atlanta ICE office talking to migrants. She’s saying most of the people there would have voted for trump because they believe trump won’t deport them because they are there to work and aren’t criminals. Most of those people admitted they crossed over illegally.

 

Dems have a huge problem.

Why do we have to cater to the opinions of people who are here illegally?  I live in a very red county and used to have a job in the AG industry. Obviously, tons of illegals at the work force. Many times illegals were pulled over and given speeding tickets and sent on their way despite no license/ registration/ legal ID. Now the ones that were arrested on violent charges were gone. Immigrants are needed in the work force for plenty of varying jobs. But it should still be done legally and by OUR process of obtaining a visa through a thorough background check. 

[Pancho 43921]

1 minute ago, EuroHorn said:

You’re starting to sound like a 2020 republican

Okay.

[Anastasis 23260]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I'm sorry, but this is revisionist history. The White House absolutely covered for him and need to own that. Though, not sure what you do when the POTUS is adamant about running again, and his family isn't stepping in.

But every third story was asking if Biden was too old for reelection. Or "How severe is Biden's cognitive decline? Dissect this 30 second clip and decide." What else could they say? Make medical declarations from afar?

I don't think that I am the one engaging in revisionism here. We can agree to disagree on the particular point wrt the media. I think that we agree on the broader issue here.