Surly Horns Official 🇺🇸 2024 Election Day 🇺🇸

[linux 1662]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

I somehow doubt many voters would've actually given a shit about Biden's age. They clearly didn't care about Trump's.

Hey that is my theory! that said the fundamentals are tanking manu jobs are king, and as long as people remember what they lost we will never see a true democratic party fix, let Musk burn it all down. Lets see how people like what they vote for.

[SpiralOut 1818]

I posted this back in July and got downvoted.  

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Having a reputation as being rather unpleasant to work with, to put it mildly:

https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-former-staffer-soul-destroying-criticism-aides-report-2021-12?op=1

Fair or not, the allegations she slept her way to the top which will resonate with a lot of (white) people in those midwest swing states.

And the fact that she's a woman and black.  I mean, you know where you live, right?  That's going to cost her votes.  

Tell me what is substantially different about 2024 Kamala from the 2020 version who managed to snag 1% of the vote.  She did a whole lot of nothing as VP.  Hid her in a closet and the one time they let her out to deal with the border it didn't go well.  She's not Donald Trump and she's not a walking, ice cream eating corpse.  Those are her positives.  If this wasn't a literal battle for the future of democracy in this country we'd want just about anyone else to be running.  Since it is a literal battle for the future of democracy, KAMALA 4 PRESIDENT!

Unfortunately in this country you have two choices.  One side are literal fascists who have completely gone through the looking glass into absolute insanity.  And the other side are Center-Right corporate stooges who pretend to give a shit while rolling over and counting their money.  I'm still waiting for an actual liberal party, hell, just a Center-Left party to emerge in American politics.  I doubt I'll see it in my lifetime and Kamala for sure ain't going to start it.  But I'll absolutely take the Corpocrats brand of do-nothing politics over the people trying to turn this country into the Handmaid's Tale.  

I thought she might have actually turned the corner considering all the news we'd seen in the past few weeks.  No one wanted her as the Dem pick.  Anointing her as the candidate with no primary after Biden refused to drop out for weeks was the death knell for this election cycle.  Dems really are the Aggy of politics.  

 

[immamac 43172]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Okay.

You are here saying there's missing votes? What does that sound like? 

Are you saying that 10s of millions of voters couldn't vote even though they tried because of some registration stuff? That's pretty easy to find out. 

[B00M 6471]

7 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Harris sitting on 14 million fewer votes than Biden got during a fucking pandemic is absolutely amazing. 

There were also 6M fewer Americans in 2020

[David Dennison 18951]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Yes. 

Even Fox was starting to concede Harris was going to win leading up to Election Day because everyone’s internals were saying that. If they weren’t, that is a major news story that every media outlet would have been reporting on.

Democrats lost bigly. She was obviously an ineffective campaigner.

There's no conspiracy.

Democrats need to dust themselves off and do better next time.

 

[Js1 85601]

18 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

Take care of yourself! We have Softball and WBB to look forward to as well!

Only going political blackout - I can't go 100% with WBB and MBB and football going on

[chainsaw 9878]

Just now, aggie08 said:

The GOP just kicked ass on a liberals are too radical and out of touch about the economy. Nominating a slick-hair from "Commiefornia" ain't the answer.

I disagree. The "big tent" strategy no longer works. If it's true that Harris failed at the one thing she needed to do (drive up turnout) then we should gather as much data as we can about the people who stayed home. I have a feeling they didn't stay home because she was from California.

If the racism/misogyny theory holds, then a bold Gavin Newsom who stands up to Trump could energize the people who had stayed home.

[6th Street 6508]

7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Not a gay one either. Or one from California. Or Jewish. Well, shit.

Andy Beshear, southern Democrat from Kentucky

[David Dennison 18951]

5 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Why do we have to cater to the opinions of people who are here illegally?  I live in a very red county and used to have a job in the AG industry. Obviously, tons of illegals at the work force. Many times illegals were pulled over and given speeding tickets and sent on their way despite no license/ registration/ legal ID. Now the ones that were arrested on violent charges were gone. Immigrants are needed in the work force for plenty of varying jobs. But it should still be done legally and by OUR process of obtaining a visa through a thorough background check. 

It's easier to exploit them and suppress wages under the current system. 

[wildcat09 29420]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

Andy Beshear, southern Democrat from Kentucky

Pretty good candidate there for our next Clinton. Too bad we won't be allowed to have a competitive election in 2028. 

[linux 1662]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I disagree. The "big tent" strategy no longer works. If it's true that Harris failed at the one thing she needed to do (drive up turnout) then we should gather as much data as we can about the people who stayed home. I have a feeling they didn't stay home because she was from California.

If the racism/misogyny theory holds, then a bold Gavin Newsom who stands up to Trump could energize the people who had stayed home.

Even if Gavin won it was only 4 years, the fundamentals are devastating, people really believe the Trump is good for the economy bit and nothing will change that, except the cold water of reality, once the administrative state is dismantled, once millions of people are fired from the state, once all handouts are halted and we do pure austerity which will also kill the gig economy people are paycheck to paycheck on, maybe then will this change after people suffer reality, the US is in a slow decline economically, way better than the OECD, but weaker than China, and that is what is allowing Trump to win razor thin margins in the blue wall.

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Nah.  Run another far left San Francisco liberal.

[linux 1662]

End the fillibuster, accelerationsm is a bad idea for elections, but it is obvious being schackled and schakling idiots is not fixing reality.

[SpiralOut 1818]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Democrats need to dust themselves off and do better next time.

Wait, there's going to be a next time?  The MAGA fascists have packed the Supreme Court with their stooges and have already essentially made the President a king.  Trump has already promised that his followers won't have to vote again.  He's absolutely going to stuff MAGA loyalists into every position in government while getting rid of anyone who isn't.  The Republicans own the House and Senate now, too.

So why do we all think there will actually be another election?  Just one little pesky rule saying Presidents can only serve two terms.  Easy to get rid of that.  And if you think that's too crazy to happen, look at where the fuck we are.  A rapist, a convicted felon, who sold American secrets to our enemies, who tried to overthrow the election four years ago, is now President again.  This is the darkest timeline, friends.  The American Reich is here.   

[DigglerontheHoof 21254]

The Dems need to find their own "Trump".  Someone who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is white, a chronic liar, clinically narcissistic, spoiled, stupid, fat and utterly clueless about...well, everything, to run for POTUS.

The Reps have the only one I can think of. 

[6th Street 6508]

This is the bench:

Gavin Newsom, CA

Andy Beshear, KY

Josh Shapiro, PA

Ruben Gallego, AZ

Roy Cooper, NC

Mark Kelly, AZ

[Mdhorn 5989]

20 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The biggest "winner" is Gavin Newsom. Kept his powder dry, was a good soldier, and he will be leading up the "resistance" for four years

Oh yeah, ‘cause Republicans won’t fuck with voting at all. 

[aggie08 21553]

1 minute ago, linux said:

End the fillibuster, accelerationsm is a bad idea for elections, but it is obvious being schackled and schakling idiots is not fixing reality.

At least go back to a standing filibuster. I'd have no issue whatsoever if the GOP enacted that Day 1. You think you have great actual policies for America that now the majority think they want? Let's see 'em. You've got two years.

[Ojo Rojo 1979]

35 minutes ago, Pancho said:

[C-Man 27282]

15 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Why do we have to cater to the opinions of people who are here illegally?  I live in a very red county and used to have a job in the AG industry. Obviously, tons of illegals at the work force. Many times illegals were pulled over and given speeding tickets and sent on their way despite no license/ registration/ legal ID. Now the ones that were arrested on violent charges were gone. Immigrants are needed in the work force for plenty of varying jobs. But it should still be done legally and by OUR process of obtaining a visa through a thorough background check. 

Except that people who employ them in great numbers don't want any of that. It gets more expensive. Immigration is the ultimate red herring and I doubt we see anything beyond maybe the bill that Donald quashed in the spring might fly through now that the R's will control both houses and the presidency. If Pee Wee German wants to round up and deport 20M illegal immigrants, be my fucking guest. I'm in a let-the-motherfucker-burn-down territory now.

[6th Street 6508]

Fucking putos 

[South Austin 52628]

At least on Saturday Quinn Ewers will show us he’s back to his A game and will lead Texas to the championship, right?  . . .  Right?

[immamac 43172]

White people rock. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21254]

Anyone thinking there will be any kind of free and fair POTUS election in 4 years is kidding themselves. 

[Ojo Rojo 1979]

41 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The problem was that Biden didn't have the foresight to see that he was a one term president.  After the midterms, he should have announced he wasn't going to run and they'd have a resulting primary.  My guess is Whitmer would have won that.

The problem is that Beau Biden died and Joe didn't run in 2016.

[DigglerontheHoof 21254]

Just now, South Austin said:

At least on Saturday Quinn Ewers will show us he’s back to his A game and will lead Texas to the championship, right?  . . .  Right?

He'll suck. 

[Red Five 40897]

Oh good, W put out a statement congratulating Dotard. And complimenting the high turnout! Get fucked asshole. 

[chainsaw 9878]

I'm sure they will immediately reform the tax code to match the campaign promises about tips and overtime.

[BurntOrange&White 40044]

Bingo

[Pam Cummings 9683]

5 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The Dems need to find their own "Trump".  Someone who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, is white, a chronic liar, clinically narcissistic, spoiled, stupid, fat and utterly clueless about...well, everything, to run for POTUS.

The Reps have the only one I can think of. 

Didn't Clinton check like half of those boxes? Republicans would love that guy!

[EuroHorn 3271]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

At least on Saturday Quinn Ewers will show us he’s back to his A game and will lead Texas to the championship, right?  . . .  Right?

Not sure you want predictions from this board. 

[linux 1662]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

At least go back to a standing filibuster. I'd have no issue whatsoever if the GOP enacted that Day 1. You think you have great actual policies for America that now the majority think they want? Let's see 'em. You've got two years.

We need shock therapy, people need to suffer reality, maybe after 40% GDP drop after dozens of millions of people are fired by Musk and 100% tariffs drive prices up the wall maybe then people will understand how good they had it. Frankly I don't think the Biden Kumbaya would even win in 2028 assuming elections are free then.

[C-Man 27282]

This is total Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Walz wound up not helping much. We all fell in love with the guy but in retrospect, Beshear or Shapiro would've been better choices, I think.

[Brian Fantana 6691]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

It wasn't fumbles. It was 7 nazi billionaires spending 800billion $$ of bullshit to feed idiots and fuck up with their algorithms. It was the media. She ran a great campaign.

Yeah sure. Classic Dem shit blaming everyone but themselves for running out a shitty lib neocon candidate. Can't wait to repeat this shit in another 4 years.

[chainsaw 9878]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bingo

 

The part I agree with is that "Trump Bad" is a losing message. I voiced my concerns about this many times in the other threads, about how all these clapback and snark videos were implementing the wrong strategy. I didn't want to be right, though.

[South Austin 52628]

3 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Not sure you want predictions from this board. 

Shit, should I ask Helobious?

[DigglerontheHoof 21254]

The problem is America is populated by selfish, bigoted, under-educated, willfully ignorant assholes. 

[linux 1662]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

This is total Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Walz wound up not helping much. We all fell in love with the guy but in retrospect, Beshear or Shapiro would've been better choices, I think.

This is the only thing I disagree, Walz was the best option, being murdered by "its the economy stupid" vote is what killed us. And Bill Clinton is to blame for demanufacturin we are just paying the price 20 years later.

[Hook1997 5404]

20 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I disagree. The "big tent" strategy no longer works. If it's true that Harris failed at the one thing she needed to do (drive up turnout) then we should gather as much data as we can about the people who stayed home. I have a feeling they didn't stay home because she was from California.

If the racism/misogyny theory holds, then a bold Gavin Newsom who stands up to Trump could energize the people who had stayed home.

You literally couldn’t pick a worse person to run if you want to actually win.  Someone viewed as far left would have 0 chance to win. 

[immamac 43172]

I watched trumps celebration speech. I don't think he's the right guy, but it was noticeably different without all the negative parts - he kept the message positive which is somewhat new for him. 

[chainsaw 9878]

1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

You literally couldn’t pick a worse person to run if you want to actually win.  Someone viewed as far left would have 0 chance to win. 

Biden has been the most progressive president of our lifetimes and he holds the all-time record for the most votes.

[Pancho 45059]

Russia is celebrating

 

[linux 1662]

Just now, immamac said:

I watched trumps celebration speech. I don't think he's the right guy, but it was noticeably different without all the negative parts - he kept the message positive which is somewhat new for him. 

Same thing happened in 2016, it lasted 0 days in office

[G650 14278]

Just now, chainsaw said:

Biden has been the most progressive president of our lifetimes and he holds the all-time record for the most votes.

Yep

[Ojo Rojo 1979]

3 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The problem is America is populated by selfish, bigoted, under-educated, willfully ignorant assholes. 

You forgot misogynistic.

[aggie08 21553]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This is total Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Walz wound up not helping much. We all fell in love with the guy but in retrospect, Beshear or Shapiro would've been better choices, I think.

Yeah, the VP pick likely wouldn't have mattered enough, but probably couldn't have hurt to have one truly gifted orator between the 4 candidates.

[Pam Cummings 9683]

Just now, G650 said:

Yep

Good thing we freaked out and replaced him

[Frank Drebin 5654]

1 minute ago, linux said:

Same thing happened in 2016, it lasted 0 days in office

You guys were calling to impeach him before he even took office and spent 4 years with the Russia collusion hoax.

[SpiralOut 1818]

4 minutes ago, linux said:

Same thing happened in 2016, it lasted 0 days in office

Yup.

Dude doesn't care about governing.  He's going to hand the reins over to the real Nazis and go golfing.  

Edited November 6 by SpiralOut

[aggie08 21553]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

I watched trumps celebration speech. I don't think he's the right guy, but it was noticeably different without all the negative parts - he kept the message positive which is somewhat new for him. 

I take it you missed 2016. He can fake magnanimous for 24 hours.