Surly Horns Official 🇺🇸 2024 Election Day 🇺🇸

[bangkok 89]

i think the biggest issue (and there were several), was a lack of a primary. voters didn’t choose the democratic candidate. kamala was often viewed as an underperformer as vp.

and that issue came from biden, his handlers, the dnc, anyone that could have stepped in and said yo, you’re too old for another term. when there was plenty of time and opportunity to do exactly that.

it was too little, too late.

even so it’s still an utter shock.

probably moreso than 2016.

even trump supporters seemed not to believe in his chances and were ready to claim voter fraud or whatever the fuck.

you’ll hear no comments of voter fraud today after they spent months of diminishing and questioning the legitimacy of our electoral process.

[Red Five 40558]

1 minute ago, bangkok said:

you’ll hear no comments of voter fraud today after they spent months of diminishing and questioning the legitimacy of our electoral process.

*years

[South Austin 51884]

13 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This is total Monday Morning Quarterbacking but Walz wound up not helping much. We all fell in love with the guy but in retrospect, Beshear or Shapiro would've been better choices, I think.

I don’t think the VP pick mattered one bit. 

So far for me, an NPR commentator said it best. It was a vibe or feeling election, but not like we thought. A lot of Trump voters who were polled expressed nothing more than a “feeling” that a Trump presidency would bring change. For the past two years they’ve felt the difficulty in buying homes, cars, groceries, and other items, and simply felt like a vote for the other party would be the best way to somehow change that, without any ability to articulate something they’ve heard from Trump that would specifically bring about that change. They don’t even understand the tariff argument. And some said they didn’t even believe the no-tax-tips thing.

The voters who swung for Trump simply looked at their own personal financial situation, felt a pinch over the past couple years, and felt like putting the other party in power could change that. For those voters, if it was the other way around and a Republican was the incumbent, they would’ve voted for the other guy.

Beshear or Shapiro wouldn’t have changed that.

Edited 16 hours ago by South Austin

[Evil Bill Obrien 3087]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

I watched trumps celebration speech. I don't think he's the right guy, but it was noticeably different without all the negative parts - he kept the message positive which is somewhat new for him. 

I've got some ocean front property to sell you in Tajikistan if you believe that will last at all... no low ball offers I know what I got

[aggie08 20978]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

Good thing we freaked out and replaced him

C'mon guys. Biden wasn't winning this thing with his approval rating, having to be in the public eye daily, and widely unpopular economic views.

[linux 1537]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

Good thing we freaked out and replaced him

Speaking as someone that was freaking out about the freak out, he is Andrew Johnson, his inability to guide the ship after the war was won in 2020 is inexcusable. Instead he maintained course.

Gen Z men also lied about who they were voting for, prepare for the incel invasion, only true hardship will end the bubble of "he is not that bad" "we survived last time"

[Ghost of Shag 2559]

19 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Wait, there's going to be a next time?  The MAGA fascists have packed the Supreme Court with their stooges and have already essentially made the President a king.  Trump has already promised that his followers won't have to vote again.  He's absolutely going to stuff MAGA loyalists into every position in government while getting rid of anyone who isn't.  The Republicans own the House and Senate now, too.

14 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Anyone thinking there will be any kind of free and fair POTUS election in 4 years is kidding themselves. 

 

This is the kind of paranoia that causes the dems to throw everything against the wall (Russia!) and see what sticks. Throw in a bunch of fake prosecutions, hammer identity politics and sprinkle in some Nazi references and… voila…another Republican victory! 

The democrats didn’t run to win. When they pulled Joe, they ran to not lose.

What a strategy. 

[GreenspointTexas 9463]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

I don’t think the VP pick mattered one bit. 

So far for me, an NPR commentator said it best. It was a vibe or feeling election, but not like we thought. A lot of Trump voters who were polled expressed nothing more than a “feeling” that a Trump presidency would bring change. For the past two years they’ve felt the difficulty in buying homes, cars, groceries, and other items, and simply felt like a vote for the other party would be the best way to somehow change that, without any ability to articulate something they’ve heard from Trump that would specifically bring about that change. They don’t even understand the tariff argument.

The voters who swung for Trump simply looked at their own personal financial situation, felt a pinch over the past couple years, and felt like putting the other party in power could change that. For those voters, if it was the other way around and a Republican was the incumbent, they would’ve voted for the other guy.

Beshear or Shapiro wouldn’t have changed that.

This

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Some guy on CNN said it best with  males like 40 and below….they feel like they don’t have recognition with the current platform of the Democratic Party. 

Edited 16 hours ago by BurntOrange&White

[Pancho 43921]

A lot more Gen Z are further to the right than people realize. Dems either need to find a way to get the Rogans, Vons, and twitch bros to like them or create their own space for that because that’s absolutely where people are today. 

Dems think traditional campaigning is what America wants and wants to go back to and America is repeatedly telling them that’s not what they want. Dems don’t listen.

there’s also an age problem with Dem leadership 

[Hook1997 5250]

8 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Biden has been the most progressive president of our lifetimes and he holds the all-time record for the most votes.

Did I mention Biden?  Run Newsome next time and it will be the same results.  They need a candidate that is viewed as more central to have a chance to win.  

[linux 1537]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Some guy on CNN said it best with young males like 40 and below….they feel like they don’t have recognition with the current platform of the Democratic Party. 

Gen Z men are trending conservative hard, they probably voted for anti abortion legislation, women shaming men has to be the most ineffective strategy in the history of all strategies. Like I can't think of anything worse than that over say getting fired.

[DanTheHorn 4878]

12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The biggest "winner" is Gavin Newsom. Kept his powder dry, was a good soldier, and he will be leading up the "resistance" for four years

When is the last time a candidate from California won a national election on behalf of the Dems? I heard Dems doing self analysis like yours this morning and they get it wrong they don't even come close to seeing it. Listen to Joe Scarborough and Bill Maher they have been giving dems the answers for years they just don't care to listen. 

 

[6th Street 6323]

Ruben Gallego is a nice non-PC ex military guy that should get a long hard look.

[Pancho 43921]

Welp Latinos…

 

[Pancho 43921]

1 minute ago, linux said:

Gen Z men are trending conservative hard, they probably voted for anti abortion legislation, women shaming men has to be the most ineffective strategy in the history of all strategies. Like I can't think of anything worse than that over say getting fired.

Some random White lady tried to warn the public (mostly tried to warn other Whites) about what she was seeing with her son because of YouTube and what he was watching. She wrote a really great article. It got a few thousand retweets. She was spot on though.

[G650 13553]

8 minutes ago, South Austin said:

The voters who swung for Trump simply looked at their own personal financial situation, felt a pinch over the past couple years, and felt like putting the other party in power could change that.

I believe this is the case, but I will never not think it's absolute insanity. It's just incomprehensible. But it's definitely true, and the lack of critical thinking is why so many people just absolutely tread water in life.

[troph 24337]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Some random White lady tried to warn the public (mostly tried to warn other Whites) about what she was seeing with her son because of YouTube and what he was watching. She wrote a really great article. It got a few thousand retweets. She was spot on though.

I have gen z sons and the number one thing to do with gen z men is get them off social media. it's toxic for them in ways we aren't really discussing. we talk about toxicity for girls with insta bullshit but it's just as bad for the boys. our number one civic duty as parents is to keep them out of an echo chamber.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18895]

52 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Ironically Selzer had the most inaccurate poll of anyone. All those other polls that were positive for trump were pretty accurate

Well, even an idiot squirrel like you gets the nut on occasion. 

[MrBig 5215]

23 minutes ago, South Austin said:

At least on Saturday Quinn Ewers will show us he’s back to his A game and will lead Texas to the championship, right?  . . .  Right?

The Dems walked into Tuesday thinking they were gonna kick ass the same way Texas walked into DKR and got their shit pushed in by Georgia. All hype in the media doesn’t mean shit because Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama and Quinn Ewers is no Vince Young. The big rallies and consecutive completions stats don’t mean shit if your leader’s performance creates divisions from within and they can’t even take a few questions from the media when shit gets real. 

[linux 1537]

Just now, G650 said:

I believe this is the case, but I will never not think it's absolute insanity. It's just incomprehensible. But it's definitely true, and the lack of critical thinking is why so many people just absolutely tread water in life.

That is why shock therapy is needed these people need to learn that treading water was a best case scenario for them, once economic collapse happens and it always happens during shock therapy that Musk is horny about, only then will they learn how good they had it. The slow decline is unmanageable.

[DanTheHorn 4878]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Welp Latinos…

 

Sean Hannity said that the republican party was going to have to pass immigration legislation after the 2008 loss to Obama in order to win again. Who knew that calling Mexicans criminals and rapist was an opening winning line back in those days. This morning no one knows where things will go or need to go with the Dems in order for them to win again.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Masculinity has been attacked by democrats for at least 10 years now where as republicans embrace masculinity. 

[South Austin 51884]

1 minute ago, MrBig said:

The Dems walked into Tuesday thinking they were gonna kick ass the same way Texas walked into DKR and got their shit pushed in by Georgia. All hype in the media doesn’t mean shit because Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama and Quinn Ewers is no Vince Young. The big rallies and consecutive completions stats don’t mean shit if your leader’s performance creates divisions from within and they can’t even take a few questions from the media when shit gets real. 

[Hookah Horns 3037]

16 minutes ago, bangkok said:

i think the biggest issue (and there were several), was a lack of a primary. voters didn’t choose the democratic candidate. kamala was often viewed as an underperformer as vp.

and that issue came from biden, his handlers, the dnc, anyone that could have stepped in and said yo, you’re too old for another term. when there was plenty of time and opportunity to do exactly that.

it was too little, too late.

even so it’s still an utter shock.

probably moreso than 2016.

even trump supporters seemed not to believe in his chances and were ready to claim voter fraud or whatever the fuck.

you’ll hear no comments of voter fraud today after they spent months of diminishing and questioning the legitimacy of our electoral process.

Not sure how one could possibly underperform as a VP. It's pretty much a do nothing job. People generally just flat out didn't like Kamala. 

[Born to Run 6414]

53 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

0-2 with females. Need to run a clean cut middle aged white man next time. 

We are more backwards and machismo than/ checks notes/ Mexico. Yay! good job fellas.

[Hookah Horns 3037]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Masculinity has been attacked by democrats for at least 10 years now where as republicans embrace masculinity. 

How have democrats attacked masculinity? 

[South Austin 51884]

Just now, Hookah Horns said:

How have democrats attacked masculinity? 

You’re a fucking pansy for asking that.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18895]

49 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Why do we have to cater to the opinions of people who are here illegally?  I live in a very red county and used to have a job in the AG industry. Obviously, tons of illegals at the work force. Many times illegals were pulled over and given speeding tickets and sent on their way despite no license/ registration/ legal ID. Now the ones that were arrested on violent charges were gone. Immigrants are needed in the work force for plenty of varying jobs. But it should still be done legally and by OUR process of obtaining a visa through a thorough background check. 

If you really believe this, then hold the party you just elected accountable.  FYI, they won't do anything. They had a President and majorities in Congress in 2017 and kicked the can down the road.  You know why? Becuase they know people like you will continue to vote for them when they tell you it is a problem.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

I have gen z sons and the number one thing to do with gen z men is get them off social media. it's toxic for them in ways we aren't really discussing. we talk about toxicity for girls with insta bullshit but it's just as bad for the boys. our number one civic duty as parents is to keep them out of an echo chamber.

Good luck with that it’s a losing battle in the scheme of life. Trying to detach kids from new media and ways of consuming information in this modern digital world and the AI world moving forward is a lost cause. For every person like you that tries it there are countless more just letting their kids be iPad kids and growing up within that realm

[EuroHorn 3193]

6 minutes ago, troph said:

I have gen z sons and the number one thing to do with gen z men is get them off social media. it's toxic for them in ways we aren't really discussing. we talk about toxicity for girls with insta bullshit but it's just as bad for the boys. our number one civic duty as parents is to keep them out of an echo chamber.

Well don’t let them post on this board

[linux 1537]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Masculinity has been attacked by democrats for at least 10 years now where as republicans embrace masculinity. 

I don't disagree, but it was masculinity that defeated Hitler. 

 

Just now, Hookah Horns said:

Not sure how one could possibly underperform as a VP. It's pretty much a do nothing job. People generally just flat out didn't like Kamala. 

No more women candidates, I am sorry please I can't take it anymore women you are right it is misoginy, but women were supposed to save us after Dodds, they were supposed to be afraid of being turned to birthing factories, they did not, they never can and never will, women's fate is decided by men from the begining of time, even when you have equal voice this never changed 55% voting for Kamala after what that misoginist has said and done means women are more to blame than latino men and I have been shitting on them all night

[Born to Run 6414]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

And yet she couldn't convince the American electorate that she's a better choice than Donald Trump.

I'm not sure that's the sign of an effective campaigner.

I don't really have much to complain about her campaign, unlike Hillary.  Our media is broken and to blame and that's not getting unfucked. Top to bottom fuck you NPR for normalizing Trump and Fuck you Fox News for sucking his tiny dick.

[bangkok 89]

4 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Not sure how one could possibly underperform as a VP. It's pretty much a do nothing job. People generally just flat out didn't like Kamala. 

the general sentiment after biden flubbed the debate was ah shucks! i guess it could be kamala. and yes people clearly didn’t like her, but that was pushed aside and all was forgiven.

[Red Five 40558]

Just now, Born to Run said:

I don't really have much to complain about her campaign, unlike Hillary.  Our media is broken and to blame and that's not getting unfucked. Top to bottom fuck you NPR for normalizing Trump and Fuck you Fox News for sucking his tiny dick.

How long have we been making NYT/CNN "Here's how Trump saying he'll shred the constitution is bad for Harris" jokes? If you're tuning into the "news" chances are you're either going to see him getting his dick sucked or you're going to see both sides/normalization of all the insanity. 

[DaysOff 7724]

Holding water for a known Russian asset.  Awesome. Keep being you.

It's so bizarre. The party of Reagan openly cheering and voting for Russian assets. Of course, Trump will leave this world like Ronnie, shitting himself and never remembering he was president.

[linux 1537]

Women shaming men is the death of civilization full stop, you create Rogan Bros and still can't fuckin vote more than 55 god damn percent for Kamala.

I was terrified of the Michelle Obama speech in Michigan and it was not even that bad, women love toxic masculinity 45% don't lie.

Edited 16 hours ago by linux

[EuroHorn 3193]

1 minute ago, DaysOff said:

It's so bizarre. The party of Reagan openly cheering and voting for Russian assets. Of course, Trump will leave this world like Ronnie, shitting himself and never remembering he was president.

Biden is already there.  Hence why Harris was propped up 

[DanTheHorn 4878]

6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Masculinity has been attacked by democrats for at least 10 years now where as republicans embrace masculinity. 

Attacking men started on Disney. I use to tell my daughters (no pics) you guys are in for a rude awaking because men are not moronic and whinny. They grew up and guess what the rude awaking was mine most gen Z men are whinny morons be they conservatives or democrats. The thing is they don't like being reminded of it, they like their egos stroked without earning it. I blame Disney for the men we have today.

[Red Five 40558]

Harris to speak at 3:00 central. She will call Dotard to concede before then and is currently "working on her speech". That's just great. 

[linux 1537]

Just now, DanTheHorn said:

Attacking men started on Disney. I use to tell my daughters (no pics) you guys are in for a rude awaking because men are not moronic and whinny. They grew up and guess what the rude awaking was mine most gen Z men are whinny morons be they conservatives or democrats. The thing is they don't like being reminded of it, they like their egos stroked without earning it. I blame Disney for the men we have today.

It is indirect, Gen Z women are not sleeping with Gen Z men (well they are but for the absolute top men, leaving an incel army) that is a nuclear level meltdown powder keg, but that is a problem for 3-4 generations from now, manufacturing job failures are today's problem.

[G650 13553]

17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Masculinity has been attacked by democrats for at least 10 years now where as republicans embrace masculinity. 

Wat. I've never seen a bigger bunch of sissies than the modern Republican party.

[linux 1537]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Harris to speak at 3:00 central. She will call Dotard to concede before then and is currently "working on her speech". That's just great. 

I still can't believe this was a fucking shock to her, it was not a fucking shock to Hillary and she was blindsided by the demographic change, what in the fuck has happened, all my notion of reality is shot.

[GenXer 2655]

43 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm sure they will immediately reform the tax code to match the campaign promises about tips and overtime.

The logistics of this will be comical. Companies forced to break out pay checks with these different columns.

Looks like ADP developers have some work to do.

[chainsaw 9765]

24 minutes ago, Pancho said:

A lot more Gen Z are further to the right than people realize. Dems either need to find a way to get the Rogans, Vons, and twitch bros to like them or create their own space for that because that’s absolutely where people are today. 

Dems think traditional campaigning is what America wants and wants to go back to and America is repeatedly telling them that’s not what they want. Dems don’t listen.

there’s also an age problem with Dem leadership 

Here's the problem I see with Gen Alpha, Gen Z, and Millennial men: there's no way to change them. They are driven by entitlement. The have been force-fed propaganda about how they're failures unless they have trad wives and nuclear family to rule over. This has fundamentally changed who they are deep down and what their values are.

Once the GOP accomplished that, the only thing they needed to do was make clear appeals to those values. The details never mattered. Trump is the guy who "fights" for those values, and everyone standing in his way is the enemy.

They don't know or care what Project 2025 is, and the few who did look into it said "that sounds great!"

[DaysOff 7724]

This country has a white people problem. Isn't 2042 the year the demographics flip such that America looks like what we think America looks like.

[chainsaw 9765]

1 minute ago, GenXer said:

ADP developers

I think you just described Initech

[DaysOff 7724]

At least on Saturday Quinn Ewers will show us he’s back to his A game and will lead Texas to the championship, right?  . . .  Right?

[Fico 1728]

Just something I found helpful/comforting via Rebecca Solnit:

 

They want you to feel powerless and to surrender and to let them trample everything and you are not going to let them. You are not giving up, and neither am I. The fact that we cannot save everything does not mean we cannot save anything and everything we can save is worth saving.  You may need to grieve or scream or take time off, but you have a role no matter what, and right now good friends and good principles are worth gathering in. Remember what you love. Remember what loves you. Remember in this tide of hate what love is.

 

You can be heartbroken or furious or both at once; you can scream in your car or on a cliff; you can also get up tomorrow and water the flowerpots and call someone who's upset and check your equipment for going onward. A lot of us are going to come under direct attack, and a lot of us are going to resist by building solidarity and sanctuary. Gather up your resources, the metaphysical ones that are heart and soul and care, as well as the practical ones.

 

People kept the faith in the dictatorships of South America in the 1970s and 1980s, in the East Bloc countries and the USSR, women are protesting right now in Iran and people there are writing poetry. There is no alternative to persevering, and that does not require you to feel good. You can keep walking whether it's sunny or raining. Take care of yourself and remember that taking care of something else is an important part of taking care of yourself, because you are interwoven with the ten trillion things in this single garment of destiny that has been stained and torn, but is still being woven and mended and washed.

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14450]

5 minutes ago, linux said:

It is indirect, Gen Z women are not sleeping with Gen Z men (well they are but for the absolute top men, leaving an incel army) that is a nuclear level meltdown powder keg, but that is a problem for 3-4 generations from now, manufacturing job failures are today's problem.

Correct.  I keep saying this.