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[BurntOrange&White 39090]

You people keep saying the economy is fine is looking at the economy like government officials do, not the average person.

[Captainant 27103]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

You people keep saying the economy is fine is looking at the economy like government officials do, not the average person.

And I'm not sure how Republican policy is going to help anything, except for exacerbating that problem. 

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

And I'm not sure how Republican policy is going to help anything, except for exacerbating that problem. 

It doesn't matter really....what the average person sees that has been posted here numerous times is gas prices, grocery bill, utlity bills, interest rates, etc. That is what the average person thinks the economy is and that is why they voted the way they did in 2024.

Edited 12 hours ago by BurntOrange&White

[Firemans4Horn 17669]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You people keep saying the economy is fine is looking at the economy like government officials do, not the average person.

💯 

look at Jimmy Carter for an example. American’s hate inflation (whether it was Biden’s fault is another discussion) and that was always a weight around the incumbents neck. 

[linux 1537]

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No, they really really don't. That is why these young guys cannot get laid.

I play a lot of video games and hang out in video game forums, young men are not getting laid because

A) don't interact with women in third spaces anymore

B) If they don't interact with women sexual selection is done by women picking men for looks (dating apps).

C) They have adopted what they call the black pill which is essentially 100% defeatism, which leads to MAGA validation propaganda which is borderline wanting to see the world burn.

 

I was atheist praying that women would save us, but 45% still love the orange misoginist.

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[Chopper 17036]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It doesn't matter really....what the average person sees that has been posted here numerous times is gas prices, grocery bill, utlity bills, etc. That is what the average person thinks the economy is and that is why they voted the way they did in 2024.

Perhaps BUT gas prices were handled by Biden. They are low. Please tell me what the nazi plan is to bring down utility bills and grocery prices?

[cattail 112]

Racist republicans already saying Project 2025 is the agenda 
Blacks this morning are done with Latinos lol

Yup. Barbershop talk had lots of anger and “send them back then”

[wildcat09 28955]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It doesn't matter really....what the average person sees that has been posted here numerous times is gas prices, grocery bill, utlity bills, interest rates, etc. That is what the average person thinks the economy is and that is why they voted the way they did in 2024.

That shit won't be changing, but I guarantee you the media coverage the moment Trump is inaugurated will begin gloating over what a great job he's done with the economy just like they did in 2017 and the opinion of every Republican on how good the economy is doing will do a 180.

[Sbbruin 21636]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

How does a candidate lose on the economy while in the land of reality the economy is incredibly strong? There's absolutely nothing she or Biden could've done differently  -  okay, one thing and maybe that would've worked is if Biden had put in a different chairperson of the Fed Reserve 3 or 4 years ago. Powell allowed interest rates to climb in order to cool the economy down. 

I think the economy was handled about as well as possible, and I think Powell was the right person to navigate it.  Yes, inflation was historically high, but that is economics 101.  Flood the system with money and the supply/demand pendulum swings wildly in favor of demand.  But the alternative was MUCH worse.  We could've had a recession that may have bordered on a depression.  Unemployment would've skyrocketed.  People would've been much worse.  

But all these goofballs see is "my milk and egg prices have shot up.  I'm blaming the current administration."  She couldn't escape that stink.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

That shit won't be changing, but I guarantee you the media coverage the moment Trump is inaugurated will begin gloating over what a great job he's done with the economy just like they did in 2017 and the opinion of every Republican on how good the economy is doing will do a 180.

Yup, exactly.

[Pancho 43921]

 

[27-25 2035]

So we can look forward to Trump presiding over the country's 250th birthday.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Anecdotal but I am from rural area(Milam Co) so I have a lot women on my FB feed that range from 25-55 and a ton of them are posting pro trump stuff today. 

[Texas Flood 1354]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Anecdotal but I am from rural area(Milam Co) so I have a lot women on my FB feed that range from 25-55 and a ton of them are posting pro trump stuff today. 

"Cougars ate my face" party

[horncyclist 1384]

Did anyone ever answer the House outcome question? I'm still seeing NY Times showing very easy path to control for the dems. That would provide some protection for the next two years at least. Followed by the typical mid-term losses for party in the Whitehouse. It'd provide some oversight to the insanity that's about to come and block the worst of government dismantling. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18890]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Feelers versus thinkers.

That is one of the most sexist things you have ever fucking said, and that is really saying something.

Your rampant misogyny should result in you taking a time out.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Just now, Texas Flood said:

"Cougars ate my face" party

Some of the cougars could sit on my face though.

[C-Man 26867]

10 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I remember after Dobbs, there was a poll that said like 25% of the people blamed Biden for abortion going away.

Some voters really are that stupid.

I heard Gordon on the Musers this morning cite a report that a not-insignificant number of voters were not aware Joe Biden wasn't on the ballot UNTIL they went into the voting booth! Unfuckingbelievable.

[G650 13552]

13 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Dems have a real problem because they just assume people know what is going on. People need to have issues explained to them like children so they can understand. It’s like people who don’t teach their children how to bathe themselves and wipe their asses right. Yeah it seems like common sense to know how to wash yourself, but some people need to have it explained to them so they don’t walk around smelling like shit. 

This is true, and one reason the Trump talking like a 5th grader works. It's lies, but it's so simple people get it.

[Valmy77 13046]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You people keep saying the economy is fine is looking at the economy like government officials do, not the average person.

Sure. I agree with that. A lot of work needs to be done to make sure the economy benefits the people, not just stock investors. I thought we did some important work here in the last administration, but obviously a lot of work still needs to be done.

But Trump and the Republicans will insist it is fine and point to those same measures and everybody will go along with it. At least that is what happened in 2017. The propaganda was things were great back then, but all the same problems still existed.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That is one of the most sexist things you have ever fucking said, and that is really saying something.

Your rampant misogyny should result in you taking a time out.

Your attitude is why masculinity feels attacked. You are epitomizing what I was referencing. 

[linux 1537]

At the end of the day women are 51% of the electorate, they live in every swing state, and were our only final shot at victory, that they refused to back a woman candidate over a male candidate, and that the orange misoginist is unchanged is a worse indictment than latino men mostly because they are a small voting slice and even less in the blue wall.

[BurntOrange&White 39090]

Just now, Valmy77 said:

Sure. I agree with that. A lot of work needs to be done to make sure the economy benefits the people, not just stock investors. I thought we did some important work here in the last administration, but obviously a lot of work still needs to be done.

But Trump and the Republicans will insist it is fine and point to those same measures and everybody will go along with it. At least that is what happened in 2017. The propaganda was things were great back then, but all the same problems still existed.

They're 100% about to take credit for everything that happens from today on....no matter who implemented what....but I guess the old saying to the victor goes the spoils.

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[InkaUtexas 25077]

29 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

If anyone cares I will not be at Chili's.

Taking the dog to the park instead 

I was going to go meet you. But going to the park sounds better so off to the river.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18890]

1 hour ago, linux said:

Exactly stroke fucking egos is how women got suffrage in the first place, to loop it back around Disney movies taught women how to dull edgy men, but we are reaching an inflection where zero contact with women is causing men to get edgier and edgier.

You are treading into blame the woman for getting raped territory.  

Edited 11 hours ago by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Balcones 455]

38 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Let me guess, all those NC Dem winners were white right?

No. 

[Frank Drebin 5482]

4 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That is one of the most sexist things you have ever fucking said, and that is really saying something.

Your rampant misogyny should result in you taking a time out.

I don't give one single fuck about what you think.  Fuck off.  Hope you enjoyed last night.  I did.

[G650 13552]

14 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You people keep saying the economy is fine is looking at the economy like government officials do, not the average person.

I mean, I look at it like a construction worker.

[Captainant 27103]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Your attitude is why masculinity feels attacked. You are epitomizing what I was referencing. 

Wait, you're saying that women not wanting to be labeled as "feelers not thinkers" is attacking masculinity?

What in the manufactured grievance is that? 

[Frank Drebin 5482]

3 minutes ago, linux said:

At the end of the day women are 51% of the electorate, they live in every swing state, and were our only final shot at victory, that they refused to back a woman candidate over a male candidate, and that the orange misoginist is unchanged is a worse indictment than latino men mostly because they are a small voting slice and even less in the blue wall.

Trump got almost the exact same number as he did in 2020, only he won. Why did 15 million less democrats show up to support kamala?

[Captainant 27103]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

I don't give one single fuck about what you think.  Fuck off.  Hope you enjoyed last night.  I did.

I bet you've said that to more than a handful of women after you're done with them

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18890]

43 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

You've only got to go back 50-60 years to get to a point where no fault divorce was illegal, women could not have independent banking or credit accounts, there were no protections or rights with regard to reproductive healthcare, and public universities were male-only (whoop!).

I guess I don't know whether you'd define that as sexual enslavement but it's certainly second class citizenship, and it's very obviously the goal. The edgy ones in the GOP sphere don't eve bother talking around it anymore.

This. 

[troph 24335]

11 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Perhaps BUT gas prices were handled by Biden. They are low. Please tell me what the nazi plan is to bring down utility bills and grocery prices?

take credit for the past 3 years of falling rates of inflation.  If inflation stabilizes which most economists think it will then in about 2 years people will have absorbed the newer higher prices and will tolerate modest increases as they come. that's the entirety of the plan, unless inflation creeps back in then dunno.

[Chopper 17036]

8 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I think the economy was handled about as well as possible, and I think Powell was the right person to navigate it.  Yes, inflation was historically high, but that is economics 101.  Flood the system with money and the supply/demand pendulum swings wildly in favor of demand.  But the alternative was MUCH worse.  We could've had a recession that may have bordered on a depression.  Unemployment would've skyrocketed.  People would've been much worse.  

But all these goofballs see is "my milk and egg prices have shot up.  I'm blaming the current administration."  She couldn't escape that stink.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Our economy -- for now -- is the envy of the world. Powell could have lowered interest rates 6 months earlier and that would have been the correct thing to do. But otherwise there is nothing Biden or Harris could have done differently. People are too stupid and judging by what's said here they're talking about utility prices and grocery prices. As if there was anything that could be done. And worse, as if the nazis they voted for aren't going to make those prices A SHIT TON worse. 

[linux 1537]

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

You are trending into blame the woman for getting raped territory.  

I am sorry, I really am, I really wanted a woman to win more than anything else in this world, men are misoginists and I can't do anything about it, but reality is reality you were the majority, you are there in every swing state, you could decide everything, that you could not convince your mom and grandma to vote for Kamala is the #1 reason we lost assuming the above. 

Egos must be massaged, men are to blame but blaming men is only like 55% of the blame. And blaming men more will just lead them to Andrew Tate.

[bangkok 88]

in response to comments about the weak candidacy of kamala, there were virtually no questions asked after biden bowed out.

it was like, yea let biden spend his twilight years crocheting scarves in delaware, and lets immediately rally around a candidate none of us voted for.

she was next in line, but she wasn’t the most qualified, most likeable, most policy oriented, or best positioned to beat trump.

there wasn’t any real substance behind it, no agenda other than beat trump, it was all manufactured and it felt fake.

even on surly, it felt like contrary opinions weren’t acceptable.

the fact that any dissent wasn’t open to discussion was the nail in the coffin. 

i think we’ve learned that you can’t skip the primary process. 

we’re preaching democracy but democrats, independents and swing voters didn’t get that from either party in this cycle.

somehow, trump honestly spewing his hate, racism, and lies connected better with voters than the biden/harris puppet show.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18890]

38 minutes ago, linux said:

Women need to massage egos, they are not convincing their mom and grandma to save them

Dating apps need to be banned as well, all they do is turbo magnify shame.

Sadly I see war on the horizon we are all going to pay the price of edgy men wanting to burn the world down.

Seriously, STOP.

 

35 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

The same men who regularly post in the cloak room and toss around the word “misogyny” are more than happy to objectify women on another forum on this same board. 

You all suck. That is a reason a lot of women are done with you all. 

[Old Freak Nasty 815]

We should stop saying economy really.  It's just the price of milk, eggs, cereal, and junk food.

A good chunk of his supporters have nothing in the bank account week after week, and a smaller, but still massive number have no retirement savings or securities.  The messaging has to start from how Democratic policies can lift people out of living paycheck to paycheck, not some far-flung abstract concept of "retirement".  None of these voters could ever dream of a retirement in the conventional manner.

Stop talking about retirement and economy.  Simplify it to the core.

Edited 11 hours ago by Old Freak Nasty

[MissingInAction 24650]

6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I was going to go meet you. But going to the park sounds better so off to the river.

Being in a Chili's right now would just reinforce the despair.

It's a lovely day out.

[Valmy77 13046]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

They're 100% about to take credit for everything that happens from today on....no matter who implemented what....but I guess the old saying to the victor goes the spoils.

I am just saying the claim the economy is strong is in that context.

But I agree that the strong economy does not work everybody and that is a problem.

[Aqua Buddha 14449]

Who wants to tell him?

 

[MissingInAction 24650]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Seriously, STOP.

 

You all suck. That is a reason a lot of women are done with you all. 

It's easy to see who the incels are today.

Guess what you dickless losers?

Dotard being in office will NOT get you laid.

[troph 24335]

43 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

Hmmmm

I don't sole source here brah. and the sources are varied from twitter first person to various news outlets, shit there's a thread for fox news, tucker carlson. Go to Daily Texas and the Business forum and you get other view points. if you think this place is the prime example of an echo chamber I don't know what to tell you. This place is more of an aggregator . incessant scrolling of fb and tik tok is much, much worse (on both sides but especially on the 18-30 male demo).

[Chopper 17036]

2 minutes ago, bangkok said:

in response to comments about the weak candidacy of kamala, there were virtually no questions asked after biden bowed out.

it was like, yea let biden spend his twilight years crocheting scarves in delaware, and lets immediately rally around a candidate none of us voted for.

she was next in line, but she wasn’t the most qualified, most likeable, most policy oriented, or best positioned to beat trump.

there wasn’t any real substance behind it, no agenda other than beat trump, it was all manufactured and it felt fake.

even on surly, it felt like contrary opinions weren’t acceptable.

the fact that any dissent wasn’t open to discussion was the nail in the coffin. 

i think we’ve learned that you can’t skip the primary process. 

we’re preaching democracy but democrats, independents and swing voters didn’t get that from either party in this cycle.

somehow, trump honestly spewing his hate, racism, and lies connected better with voters than the biden/harris puppet show.

This is a stupid take. There was a convention. Democrats - thousands of them from across the country - voted for her. It wasn't a coronation. She had it wrapped up because she's a shrewd, smart and excellent politician. There was no alternative so go get fucked. 

[immamac 42255]

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Seriously, STOP.

 

You all suck. That is a reason a lot of women are done with you all. 

Yall need to go do some other shit for a few days and figure out wtf actually matters. Arguing over the internet with strangers isn't gonna change how you feel or make you feel better. 

There's no good news for you if you want good news in the form of answers explanations or the results changing. Just go do something else

[Frank Drebin 5482]

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Seriously, STOP.

 

You all suck. That is a reason a lot of women are done with you all. 

I doubt many man want anything to do with you.  Thus why you're single and miserable.  And a leftist.  All connected.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18890]

26 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Dems have a real problem because they just assume people know what is going on. People need to have issues explained to them like children so they can understand. It’s like people who don’t teach their children how to bathe themselves and wipe their asses right. Yeah it seems like common sense to know how to wash yourself, but some people need to have it explained to them so they don’t walk around smelling like shit. 

This is 100% accurate. Americans are, as a whole, woefully stupid.

[Pancho 43921]

Centre County, PA

[immamac 42255]

Also I've had a bunch of people cancel burnt ends stuff. Do you guys not understand that doesn't cost me anything? It costs the players. I was never keeping any of that money. People are so emotional and stupid they can't even do basic thinking

[troph 24335]

Just now, immamac said:

Yall need to go do some other shit for a few days and figure out wtf actually matters. Arguing over the internet with strangers isn't gonna change how you feel or make you feel better. 

There's no good news for you if you want good news in the form of answers explanations or the results changing. Just go do something else

weaning of politics is like weaning of benzos it's a hard fucking withdrawal. i'm doing it but slowly. we all should. what matters is relationships, people, doing human things like laughing, loving, being out doors, working, taking care of your people, being kind to others. we need more of that.