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[Red Five 40845]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I think one of Kamala’s fatal mistakes was not supporting a single payer Medicare for All. Where did that talk go all of a sudden? Don’t you want to energize people? Did she ever talk about continuing the Biden fight for student loan forgiveness? Then her vague fracking and price fixing answers. 

Considering who just won the presidency, I don't think policy matters anymore. She should have talked more about windmill shark cancer and Hannibal Lector. 

[Chopper 17230]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I think one of Kamala’s fatal mistakes was not supporting a single payer Medicare for All. Where did that talk go all of a sudden? Don’t you want to energize people? Did she ever talk about continuing the Biden fight for student loan forgiveness? Then her vague fracking and price fixing answers. 

This is the way the election was tilted. The media would demand, "how ya gonna pay for that!" "isn't that socialism, are you a socialist???" meanwhile Orange Dipshit is promising more free private planes and yachts for the billionaires without even a peep.

[Pancho 44712]

5 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I think one of Kamala’s fatal mistakes was not supporting a single payer Medicare for All. Where did that talk go all of a sudden? Don’t you want to energize people? Did she ever talk about continuing the Biden fight for student loan forgiveness? Then her vague fracking and price fixing answers. 

Her fatal mistake was being born a Black woman.

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Chopper said:

This is the way the election was tilted. The media would demand, "how ya gonna pay for that!" "isn't that socialism, are you a socialist???" meanwhile Orange Dipshit is promising more free private planes and yachts for the billionaires without even a peep.

I think we need to run a campaign ignoring the MSM, do interviews but make them combatitive, we need a populist on the dem side and we will never have it because people want to go back to before Trump, that genie is out of the bottle, vote or me or vote for him screw you journos!

Again assuming elections are free again which I highly doubt.

[aggie08 21490]

37 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

That Palestinian organizer lady who said danced on Kamala's grave last night with a "That's what you get, bitch" is having a pretty immediate"when keeping it real goes wrong" moment.

Edited November 7 by aggie08

[Brian Fantana 6680]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Her fatal mistake was being born a Black woman.

 

Two things can be true, America is not going to be inclined to elect a black woman president and said black woman's campaign make fatal and totally available mistakes that alienated previously staunch D voting blocs.

 

[Chopper 17230]

36 minutes ago, linux said:

I think we need to run a campaign ignoring the MSM, do interviews but make them combatitive, we need a populist on the dem side and we will never have it because people want to go back to before Trump, that genie is out of the bottle, vote or me or vote for him screw you journos!

Again assuming elections are free again which I highly doubt.

Apparently wishcasting for reporters to be killed is very popular these days. The next Democratic candidate should wishcast for Bezos and Sulzberger and Musk and the Koch Bros to be lined up with 9 guns pointed at each of their heads. 

Edited November 7 by Chopper
clarity

[DixonHur 11294]

46 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Goddamn I cant wait till leopards start eating faces

[Chopper 17230]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

Two things can be true, America is not going to be inclined to elect a black woman president and said black woman's campaign make fatal and totally available mistakes that alienated previously staunch D voting blocs.

 

The palestinian issue did not lose her the election. The election will however decisively terminate all of the palestinian issues.

[Pancho 44712]

5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

 

Two things can be true, America is not going to be inclined to elect a black woman president and said black woman's campaign make fatal and totally available mistakes that alienated previously staunch D voting blocs.

 

 

Specifically, which mistakes did she make that alienated D voting blocs because I’m not seeing any. You can’t fault her campaign for Latino Males saying they just don’t want a woman President. Trump did worse with White Women so he lost ground there. Blacks were essentially right in line. She lost the presidency by 175000 votes across the blue wall, so that isn’t a blowout. 

 

So I’m curious what fatal mistake did her campaign make in 100 days?

 

And I actually would like to see if America would elect a Black woman if we could go back 12 years before trumps rise and had been able to properly educate Americans on the things dems were really doing and not doing. 

[JBJ 3654]

11 minutes ago, linux said:

I think we need to run a campaign ignoring the MSM, do interviews but make them combatitive, we need a populist on the dem side and we will never have it because people want to go back to before Trump, that genie is out of the bottle, vote or me or vote for him screw you journos!

Again assuming elections are free again which I highly doubt.

Honestly, I think having a friendly media actually hurt Kamala.  She had very few opportunities to parse out policy positions and answer tough questions.

[SubliminalHorn 6786]

18 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Her fatal mistake was being born a Black woman.

Ok yes I agree. But we have to figure out where she went wrong in her messaging as well

[linux 1660]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Honestly, I think having a friendly media actually hurt Kamala.  She had very few opportunities to parse out policy positions and answer tough questions.

It was a friendly media because she was the establisment candidate, had she gone populist they would have been vicious, but it was the only answer, she should have pivoted hard after the convention to populism, god damnit so little margin for victory I hate hate hate democrats being big tent. That nets no votes, but shackles, always.

[SubliminalHorn 6786]

22 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Considering who just won the presidency, I don't think policy matters anymore. She should have talked more about windmill shark cancer and Hannibal Lector. 

Well Democrats need to figure out how to speak to and energize their base. Work for things people want. Yes the CHIPS Act and infrastructure are great and important. But how does that translate to the average working class voter? 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

24 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Her fatal mistake was being born a woman.

FIFY

[Pancho 44712]

4 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok yes I agree. But we have to figure out where she went wrong in her messaging as well

 

I agree here. I said the problem is with Dem leadership, not necessarily Kamala’s campaign. 

Dem leadership is the issue. They are out of touch. 

[Chopper 17230]

Omg "she had a friendly media" is such a dumb take. 

[linux 1660]

9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Omg "she had a friendly media" is such a dumb take. 

Its not that she had a friendly media, is that people hate the media and her bing chummy by extension hated her, had she been more aggressive to show how she is not establishment. Then maybe. The margins are so thin god damnit Biden.

[Frank Drebin 5659]

38 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Her fatal mistake was being born a Black woman.

But it also got her the VP job.  

[Chopper 17230]

20 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Ok yes I agree. But we have to figure out where she went wrong in her messaging as well

It wasn't a problem with messaging. She got slaughtered by hundreds of billions of dollars in lying, grotesque attack/scare/false ads on every media. Aimed at stupid people who are easily frightened because they have limited understanding of how the world works. Knocking on doors wasn't able to overcome it and enthusing large crowds wasn't enough to overcome it. 

[Red Five 40845]

You've chosen to ignore content by Frank Drebin.

[Chopper 17230]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

Its not that she had a friendly media, is that people hate the media and her bing chummy by extension hated her, had she been more aggressive to show how she is not establishment. Then maybe. The margins are so thin god damnit Biden.

She had to be positive and smiling for the most part. But she damned sure also showed she was tough and smart and knew how to cut a bitch. She'd have been a great President. She had a current role as the Vice President and that job comes with responsibilities she had to uphold. She couldn't be out attacking Joe Biden ffs. 

[Hookah Horns 3083]

3 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Yeah, and at no point was she ever kicking his ass in the polls because of any of that.

She should've been.  But, she wasn't.

And Donald Trump has always had a silent voting bloc that doesn't show up in the polls, but they do show up on Election Day.

Yes, this country is THIS stupid.  I can't wait to see what supervillain we pick next.  Vivek, maybe?  God dammit.

Right now I'd put my money on a Trump failson doing a bad impression of their hopefully dead father. Americans love dynasties. 

[ulukinatme 1763]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

It's almost like you don't realize Democrats will be in power again.

Truth. Such is the way of things, such is the cycle.

A lot of people talked about dismantling the Electoral College and have claimed the GOP would never win another Presidency, but last night turned that idea on it's head. In truth, even if Trump didn't win the popular vote, if the EC was dismantled it would never be straight Democrats for the rest of time. Election strategy would just change. Instead of doing 100 rallies in Pennsylvania and a few swing states you'd see candidates expanding their reach. GOP would hit California and New York, Democrats would hit Texas and Florida, etc. Not a bad idea in theory, but it would probably result in a lot more chaos that politicians don't really want to deal with I'm guessing. Easier to try and win 4-7 states as oppose to 25+.

I think a lot of people don't understand how the two party system works and how it's nothing but a construct to keep both sides divided. It's why the established politicians take separate sides on every issue and refuse to agree on anything. If they all agreed, then there would be no one to blame when shit inevitably hits the fan (And it always hits the fan at some point). That's why anytime a party is in power for a period of time there's an eventual blowback. The losing party moves closer to center, runs on "change," and they find themselves back in power. We do this dance till the end of time.

[Michael Knight 12977]

51 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Her fatal mistake was being born a Black woman.

Then choosing to be indian

[JBJ 3654]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

Its not that she had a friendly media, is that people hate the media and her bing chummy by extension hated her, had she been more aggressive to show how she is not establishment. Then maybe. The margins are so thin god damnit Biden.

Nah.  It's a purely partisan thing.  She could have done Rogan or even WSJ and had good interviews. 

She did CNN, The View, and 60 minutes.  She gets credit for Bret Baiar but that didn't go well.

[linux 1660]

11 minutes ago, Chopper said:

She had to be positive and smiling for the most part. But she damned sure also showed she was tough and smart and knew how to cut a bitch. She'd have been a great President. She had a current role as the Vice President and that job comes with responsibilities she had to uphold. She couldn't be out attacking Joe Biden ffs. 

The sad part is that Biden did "handouts" in debt relief he did increase tariffs something no dem president has ever done in so long, but the inability to push these as priority #1 by Kamala will haunt me probably for the rest of my life. This is so much worse than Hillary Dems knew what was at stake and fumbled they returned to normal when they had all the power god damnit.

[ulukinatme 1763]

14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

It wasn't a problem with messaging. She got slaughtered by hundreds of billions of dollars in lying, grotesque attack/scare/false ads on every media. Aimed at stupid people who are easily frightened because they have limited understanding of how the world works. Knocking on doors wasn't able to overcome it and enthusing large crowds wasn't enough to overcome it. 

Kamala far outraised Trump in campaign funds. There were no shortage of propaganda ads about the Project 2025 Boogeyman, along with other horrors Trump would bring during a second term that he never touched during his first. Both sides used fear mongering and propaganda to manipulate sheep, it's what they do. The gullible ones eat it up and vote accordingly.

[linux 1660]

should have paired studend debt relief with plumber debt relief or something, spend all that god damn money! Of course Donny is going to be the handout president, assuming he plans to actually run, who knows if he is going stolen election only mode starting day 1

1 minute ago, ulukinatme said:

Kamala far outraised Trump in campaign funds. There were no shortage of propaganda ads about the Project 2025 Boogeyman, along with other horrors Trump would bring during a second term that he never touched during his first. Both sides used fear mongering and propaganda to manipulate sheep, it's what they do. The gullible ones eat it up and vote accordingly.

Funny I remember J6 happening on his first term.

[Hookah Horns 3083]

52 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Shit like this pisses me off to no end. If you can't be bothered to pay the smallest amount of attention or do the most basic research on the candidates, keep your ass away from the voting booth. 

[6th Street 6390]

On a more positive front, that 3 for $10.99 Smashburger and triple dipper were amazing. 

 

[ulukinatme 1763]

3 minutes ago, linux said:

Funny I remember J6 happening on his first term.

Yeah, that deadly insurrection you guys like to clutch pearls over. Buncha Boomers were going to usurp the government with the most powerful military in the world! All while wielding selfie sticks and flag poles. We really dodged a bullet.

[Kermit 3156]

1 minute ago, ulukinatme said:

Yeah, that deadly insurrection you guys like to clutch pearls over. Buncha Boomers were going to usurp the government with the most powerful military in the world! All while wielding selfie sticks and flag poles. We really dodged a bullet.

Some gentle hijinks.

[Hookah Horns 3083]

3 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Kamala far outraised Trump in campaign funds. There were no shortage of propaganda ads about the Project 2025 Boogeyman, along with other horrors Trump would bring during a second term that he never touched during his first. Both sides used fear mongering and propaganda to manipulate sheep, it's what they do. The gullible ones eat it up and vote accordingly.

Yeah, if he didn't do it in his first term, it stands to reason he won't do it in his second. Brilliant analysis. 

Your calling p25 a "boogeyman" and labeling alarms about it "fear mongering" implies that it's not a realistic concern. Is that what you think, and if so, why? 

4 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Yeah, that deadly insurrection you guys like to clutch pearls over. Buncha Boomers were going to usurp the government with the most powerful military in the world! All while wielding selfie sticks and flag poles. We really dodged a bullet.

Oh I see. You're a dumbass. 

[Chopper 17230]

8 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Kamala far outraised Trump in campaign funds. There were no shortage of propaganda ads about the Project 2025 Boogeyman, along with other horrors Trump would bring during a second term that he never touched during his first. Both sides used fear mongering and propaganda to manipulate sheep, it's what they do. The gullible ones eat it up and vote accordingly.

The way you say "Project 2025 Boogeyman" makes me think you're a full-on regard. Dotard created that group. He gave 'em a speech on their inaugural meeting. His top staffers were deeply tied, as were JV Vance's. You're so fucking stupid I guess you'll be surprise the minute they start rolling out that nazi shit. As far as money, yes she outraised him from SMALL DONORS. That doesn't include the money the billionaires gave Dotard. Something like $700 BILLION, with which they did shit a regulated political campaign could never do and kept it secret. 

[linux 1660]

9 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Yeah, that deadly insurrection you guys like to clutch pearls over. Buncha Boomers were going to usurp the government with the most powerful military in the world! All while wielding selfie sticks and flag poles. We really dodged a bullet.

Just because it was incompetent does not mean it did not happen you idiot, the next one will not be incompetent.

[Hookah Horns 3083]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Not entirely surprising 

 

Well, like 45% of them did vote for her, but the point about it being an issue with them is valid. 

[ulukinatme 1763]

Just now, Hookah Horns said:

Yeah, if he didn't do it in his first term, it stands to reason he won't do it in his second. Brilliant analysis. 

Your calling p25 a "boogeyman" and labeling alarms about it "fear mongering" implies that it's not a realistic concern. Is that what you think, and if so, why? 

Trump talks a big game, but he doesn't really follow through on threats. He said he was going to lock up Hillary, there was no such attempt. That's how he operates.

The fear mongering is typical election drama that every politician uses. We were told Trump would launch nukes day 1 before his last term, never happened. It was a relatively peaceful 4 years by most Presidential standards. P25 is more of that, it's not part of his platform, but it was used as a Boogeyman to scare voters all the same.

All the doom and gloom we're seeing in this thread is a repeat of 2016. Everyone survived those 4 years, everyone will survive the next 4. Anyone suggesting anything different is not rationale, they're thinking emotionally and not logically.

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Hookah Horns said:

Well, like 45% of them did vote for her, but the point about it being an issue with them is valid. 

Also Latinas drifted to Trump over Biden, not as dramatically as a 34 point shift though but damn 

[chainsaw 9858]

Just now, linux said:

Also Latinas drifted to Trump over Biden, not as dramatically as a 34 point shift though but damn 

They watch the same social media

3 minutes ago, ulukinatme said:

Everyone survived those 4 years

This is a bit, right?

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, ulukinatme said:

Trump talks a big game, but he doesn't really follow through on threats. He said he was going to lock up Hillary, there was no such attempt. That's how he operates.

The fear mongering is typical election drama that every politician uses. We were told Trump would launch nukes day 1 before his last term, never happened. It was a relatively peaceful 4 years by most Presidential standards. P25 is more of that, it's not part of his platform, but it was used as a Boogeyman to scare voters all the same.

All the doom and gloom we're seeing in this thread is a repeat of 2016. Everyone survived those 4 years, everyone will survive the next 4. Anyone suggesting anything different is not rationale, they're thinking emotionally and not logically.

COVID, Jan6, BLM, oh boy what an awesome survival, Dems asleep at the fucking wheel Fuck Biden for wanting to return to pre 2016, now we get that amazing First Trump run where NOTHINGtm happened.

[Tailgate 3021]

It’s time to stop using race and gender as shields and start focusing on policies and leadership.

[linux 1660]

Just now, Tailgate said:

It’s time to stop using race and gender as shields and start focusing on policies and leadership.

I agree white men only hopefully one that speaks spanish, assuming we get free elections, hell even with rigged elections.

Edited November 7 by linux

[Hook1997 5351]

Is Kamala alive?  Why have we not heard from her at all?  Odd as hell, has anyone not given a speech after losing before?  

[Kermit 3156]

1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

Is Kamala alive?  Why have we not heard from her at all?  Odd as hell, has anyone not given a speech after losing before?  

She gave her concession speech.

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Hook1997 said:

Is Kamala alive?  Why have we not heard from her at all?  Odd as hell, has anyone not given a speech after losing before?  

She already did, pay attention you are thinking of Trump that never conceeded.

[Hook1997 5351]

5 minutes ago, Kermit said:

She gave her concession speech.

Yea I missed that sorry.  Google didn’t show shit either but I haven’t been infront of a tv the last few hours.  

Edited November 7 by Hook1997

[ulukinatme 1763]

1 minute ago, linux said:

COVID, Jan6, BLM, oh boy what an awesome survival, Dems asleep at the fucking wheel Fuck Biden for wanting to return to pre 2016, now we get that amazing First Trump run where NOTHINGtm happened.

COVID was happening regardless who was in office. You could have had FDR, Lincoln, or Kennedy in office, the people that died were still going to die. That's how global pandemics work, they tend to transcend politics. Viruses don't care who you vote for. Again, more died by September of 2021 under Biden than under Trump in 2020, despite Biden having the jab at the start of his term. This argument goes nowhere.

The people that died on Jan6 died of heart attacks and an overdose, other than Babbitt who was shot by police. Do you care about those "insurrectionists" that died?

What about BLM? They did millions in property damage over the riots. I was told property is meaningless.

[Kermit 3156]

1 minute ago, ulukinatme said:

COVID was happening regardless who was in office. You could have had FDR, Lincoln, or Kennedy in office, the people that died were still going to die. That's how global pandemics work, they tend to transcend politics. Viruses don't care who you vote for. Again, more died by September of 2021 under Biden than under Trump in 2020, despite Biden having the jab at the start of his term. This argument goes nowhere.

The people that died on Jan6 died of heart attacks and an overdose, other than Babbitt who was shot by police. Do you care about those "insurrectionists" that died?

What about BLM? They did millions in property damage over the riots. I was told property is meaningless.

Some schoolyard antics. Just exploring the capital, looking for loot.

[satyanash 14475]

3 hours ago, Pancho said:

Not entirely surprising