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[satyanash 14473]

57 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Inflation is bad, immigration is a problem, let’s give someone else a chance to fix it because Biden/Harris didn’t do much about it.

Trump literally told GOP senators to shoot down a bipartisan border security bill, so he could continue to push anti-immigration rhetoric.

This is how the voters in Texas rewarded him:

Edited November 7 by satyanash

[GW Hayduke 1953]

19 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

on the trans issue, I'm just not sure what the Dems could do other than agree about sports which they effectively do as a group. I'm just uncertain how a political ad would communicate that. 

I don’t know what Dems should do either. I just know the GOP used it to totally fuck Dems. 
 

The potential exists that it might not matter what the actual policies or issues are. The possibility exists that the GOP has perfected the use of social media targeting tools and combined it with billions of dollars in dark money and now have the whole population control thing perfected with AI or something.  I’m looking for answers

[Frank Drebin 5659]

That last minute bill was a piece of shit.  Biden and Harris fucked the border by revoking Trump EOs on day one and encouraged illegal immigration.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13508]

Just now, GW Hayduke said:

I don’t know what Dems should do either. I just know the GOP used it to totally fuck Dems. 
 

The potential exists that it might not matter what the actual policies or issues are. The possibility exists that the GOP has perfected the use of social media targeting tools and combined it with billions of dollars in dark money and now have the whole population control thing perfected with AI or something.  I’m looking for answers

I agree. It’s difficult to constantly play from behind where your message is that the other side is lying or misrepresenting your belief. It’s like that I don’t see the GOP with an ad that they’re not fascists. 

[Bottlecap 1523]

Public school teachers who vote for trump are a special kind of idiot. I’m aware there are a few; I’ve been the public ed sector for 23 years, but miss me with that narrow minded trad wife shit. Our kids need allies to navigate them through all of life’s curveballs and she’s on the front line of mental health. Is she aware what plans trump has for the DOE? Your wife is a moron.

Edited November 7 by Bottlecap

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

1 minute ago, Bottlecap said:

Public school teachers who vote for trump are a special kind of idiot. I’m aware there are a few and I’ve been the public ed sector for 23 years, but miss me with that narrow minded trad wife shit. Our kids need allies to navigate them through all of life’s curveballs and she’s on the front line of mental health. Is she aware what plans trump has for the DOE? Your wife is a moron.

A bunch of rural public school teachers do though....it's a much bigger chunk than you'd think.

[Sawbonz 27538]

16 minutes ago, G650 said:

One could, if one were so inclined.

One would have to bring back pipe smoking as well, if one wanted a chance at success

[linux 1660]

9 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

I don’t know what Dems should do either. I just know the GOP used it to totally fuck Dems. 
 

The potential exists that it might not matter what the actual policies or issues are. The possibility exists that the GOP has perfected the use of social media targeting tools and combined it with billions of dollars in dark money and now have the whole population control thing perfected with AI or something.  I’m looking for answers

If it makes you feel any better it did not work with the population, don't get me wrong it filled air time, and it was wood for the raging fire that is the alt right so like 30% of the GOP were inflamed but 50% of Republican voters were embarrassed. The economic fundamentals were soo off, people were pissed about poverty and decline in manu jobs, not in inflation per say, Biden needed to do handouts even if they caused inflation because real wages for the poorest is what has worked worldwide, I get that it is unsustainable see Argentina, but they kept away the boogie man for 20 years, he is back with a new face but he is cratering in popularity

[Leeroy Jenkins 2399]

2 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

The Democrat party is Trump one huge narcissistic circle jerk.  The first rule about that is that it is you and not them. 

The Democrat party  Trump is wildly attractive to people with mental illnesses, especially narcissists. All you have to look at is the core traits that make someone a narcissist.

1. No ability for self reflection. If they get a negative response, it's on the other person. Not them. They are perfect.

2. No ability for accountability. Ties in to #1.

3. Narcissists LOVE echo chambers. They have no ability to receive and process thoughts other than their own. 

 

FIFY

[Pancho 44709]

[linux 1660]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

We should have known this, we should have done something about misinformation 4 years ago even if the optics sucked, god damn it Biden you soft ass.

[aggie08 21489]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Welp. This can't be fixed.

[Chad Fuck 17659]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

We live in a post factual world.  Being factually correct does not win.  

The winning play is make something up (boys playing as girls!  too many "others" crossing the border!) Then beat the shit out of it, true or not.

The Big Lie won.  The electorate was too stupid, or indifferent, to tell the difference.  

That's the game now. 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

We live in a post factual world.  Being factually correct does not win.  

The winning play is make something up (boys playing as girls!  too many "others" crossing the border!) Then beat the shit out of it, true or not.

The Big Lie won.  The electorate was too stupid, or indifferent, to tell the difference.  

That's the game now. 

Instead of saying "we want to protect your reproductive rights" the message should be "they're killing your pregnant wives with radical policy", as an example. 

Edited November 7 by BurntOrange&White

[Nice Guy Eddie 13508]

4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

We live in a post factual world.  Being factually correct does not win.  

The winning play is make something up (boys playing as girls!  too many "others" crossing the border!) Then beat the shit out of it, true or not.

The Big Lie won.  The electorate was too stupid, or indifferent, to tell the difference.  

That's the game now. 

KellyAnne Conway will go down somewhat in history for popularizing if not creating the term, alternative facts. We all understand there can be spin on facts and stats can tell different stories but a fact is a fact. The opposite of which is a lie.

[JBJ 3654]

43 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I agree. It’s difficult to constantly play from behind where your message is that the other side is lying or misrepresenting your belief. It’s like that I don’t see the GOP with an ad that they’re not fascists. 

I said this earlier, but taking an adversarial interview or townhall is the best way to do this.  Being afraid to have your ideas confronted is not a way to win an election.

Edited November 7 by JBJ

[B00M 6414]

1 hour ago, elguapo said:

Trump and his team of oligarchs and know nothings are going to buttfuck the economy over the next 4 years, Dems should have an easy time in '28.

And back and forth we go, about as much fun as getting and reversing a vasectomy over and over and…

[B00M 6414]

51 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

That last minute bill was a piece of shit.  Biden and Harris fucked the border by revoking Trump EOs on day one and encouraged illegal immigration.  

Last minute bill? Wasn’t the Oklahoma republican negotiating for months? 

[Incredulity 11652]

9 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I said this earlier, but taking an adversarial interview or townhall is the best way to do this.  Being afraid to have your ideas confronted is not a way to win an election.

She did 24min with Brett Bair!!!!!

[aggie08 21489]

1 minute ago, B00M said:

Last minute bill? Wasn’t the Oklahoma republican negotiating for months? 

Johnny speaks in 100% pure, uncut propaganda. He literally can't help himself. Show some sympathy.

[aggie08 21489]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

She did 24min with Brett Bair!!!!!

You guys are so fucking hypocritical with this shit. When is the last time Trump did an unfriendly interview that he didn't literally walk out of?

[Incredulity 11652]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

You guys are so fucking hypocritical with this shit. When is the last time Trump did an unfriendly interview that he didn't literally walk out of?

Enjoy

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13508]

14 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I said this earlier, but taking an adversarial interview or townhall is the best way to do this.  Being afraid to have your ideas confronted is not a way to win an election.

agree. Any and everything is obviously fair game for criticism because Harris lost, but Dems need to do more than the GOP to get out messaging because the other side lies too much. It shouldn't be this way but it is.

I think there is a flaw with in-person rallies. They're full of people who are voting for you. In some cases, people are waiting hours to hear you speak. You think an undecided voter is taking a day off to hear you talk? You don't think someone spending all day to hear you isn't already a motivated voter?

You need to do rallies but you need to go where the undecided voters are or even voters on the other side. I understand declining some podcast or "tv" shows especially if the host is a criminal or other type of asshole but you can't ignore them if they have a large audience. Some of whom might be open to voting for you.

Worse case you soften someone's approach to you or your policies.

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

agree. Any and everything is obviously fair game for criticism because Harris lost, but Dems need to do more than the GOP to get out messaging because the other side lies too much. It shouldn't be this way but it is.

I think there is a flaw with in-person rallies. They're full of people who are voting for you. In some cases, people are waiting hours to hear you speak. You think an undecided voter is taking a day off to hear you talk? You don't think someone spending all day to hear you isn't already a motivated voter?

You need to do rallies but you need to go where the undecided voters are or even voters on the other side. I understand declining some podcast or "tv" shows especially if the host is a criminal or other type of asshole but you can't ignore them if they have a large audience. Some of whom might be open to voting for you.

Worse case you soften someone's approach to you or your policies.

Republicans are really good at flipping narratives....look at the eating the dogs stuff. 

 

Their social media machine made it into a meme song/memes and took the blowback off of it. The PR garbage thing where Biden fucked up and called them garbage and they all dressed in garbage bags took attention away from the PR comments made at their big rally. 

Edited November 7 by BurntOrange&White

[aggie08 21489]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Enjoy

 

Uhhhhhh. He quite literally cut that one short and walked out.

[Incredulity 11652]

4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Uhhhhhh. He quite literally cut that one short and walked out.

Uhhhh… you’re wrong. Watch the end of the video.

[aggie08 21489]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Uhhhh… you’re wrong. Watch the end of the video.

Ohhhhhhh, apologies. Someone from the Trump team cut it short, then he walked out. Thank you for correcting my laissez-faire usage of the word literally.

[DigglerontheHoof 21178]

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Trump literally told GOP senators to shoot down a bipartisan border security bill, so he could continue to push anti-immigration rhetoric.

This is how the voters in Texas rewarded him:

Boy will they be happy when their families are ripped apart by deportations.  I'll giggle my motherfucking head off. 

[SimonBolivar 10957]

The caudillo spirit is strong in Latin America.

[WinningIsHard 4027]

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Boy will they be happy when their families are ripped apart by deportations.  I'll giggle my motherfucking head off. 

One might take you for a Christian with that attitude, can never be too careful around here. 

[Incredulity 11652]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Ohhhhhhh, apologies. Someone from the Trump team cut it short, then he walked out. Thank you for correcting my laissez-faire usage of the word literally.

Lol,  figured as much.

 

[aggie08 21489]

3 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Lol,  figured as much.

 

I feel like I have to ask you this literally every time we engage: do you even know what you're arguing anymore? 

Fine, I'll reword: when was the last time Trump sat through an entire combative interview without walking out or his team pulling the plug (not literally) early out of fear of what he'd say next?

[Incredulity 11652]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I feel like I have to ask you this literally every time we engage: do you even know what you're arguing anymore? 

Fine, I'll reword: when was the last time Trump sat through an entire combative interview without walking out or his team pulling the plug (not literally) early out of fear of what he'd say next?

What am I arguing?  You made the claim Trump walks out of every adversarial interview.  I posted video of an adversarial interview he didn’t walk out of.  You doubled down on stupid and said he walked out even though I provided video of him most definitely not walking out.

you want to provide a bunch of videos of him walking out of interviews besides the 60 min interview of 4 years ago?

[Chad Fuck 17659]

52 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I said this earlier, but taking an adversarial interview or townhall is the best way to do this.  Being afraid to have your ideas confronted is not a way to win an election.

It can be, but it could just as easily go terribly sideways.

[Chad Fuck 17659]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Ohhhhhhh, apologies. Someone from the Trump team cut it short, then he walked out. Thank you for correcting my laissez-faire usage of the word literally.

It isn't a clip, it's a magazine.  Makes all the difference.  Words matter. Except when certain people say them.

[aggie08 21489]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

What am I arguing?  You made the claim Trump walks out of every adversarial interview.  I posted video of an adversarial interview he didn’t walk out of.  You doubled down on stupid and said he walked out even though I provided video of him most definitely not walking out.

you want to provide a bunch of videos of him walking out of interviews besides the 60 min interview of 4 years ago?

Are you fucking serious right now? You don't consider your team cutting something short and leaving in a rush "walking out"? The fuck is wrong with you? That was the actual interview I was thinking of when I made my initial comment.

[Incredulity 11652]

Just now, aggie08 said:

Are you fucking serious right now? You don't consider your team cutting something short and leaving in a rush "walking out"? The fuck is wrong with you? That was the actual interview I was thinking of when I made my initial comment.

He sat there smiling and waiving to the crowd.  “Leaving in a rush”. My lord.

[aggie08 21489]

Just now, Incredulity said:

He sat there smiling and waiving to the crowd.  “Leaving in a rush”. My lord.

He. Left. Early. And. Abruptly. You're being ridiculous. 

Try this thought exercise: imagine what your response would have been had Kamala been struggling through some tough questions (which she did) and her handlers got into Baier's ear and told him she was done, no more questions.

[hobbes2702 13029]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

He sat there smiling and waiving to the crowd.  “Leaving in a rush”. My lord.

Dude he didn’t finish the interview. What are you talking about 

[JBJ 3654]

12 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

It can be, but it could just as easily go terribly sideways.

"You play to win the game."

-Herm Edwards

[royiv 9253]

8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

He. Left. Early. And. Abruptly. You're being ridiculous. 

Try this thought exercise: imagine what your response would have been had Kamala been struggling through some tough questions (which she did) and her handlers got into Baier's ear and told him she was done, no more questions.

And the interview started late because Trump and his handlers were didn’t want him to be fact checked. They wanted him to be able to spew lies without consequences. 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

17 hours ago, ulukinatme said:

I'm gonna guess you're going to say a conservative. Do you have proof? Were you around when the first internet bros were talking politics online?

Your opinion is not fact, no matter how much you want it to be. Take a break from propaganda for a bit, touch grass, talk with some regular people offline that have different opinions than you. I promise they're not all fascists.

How old are you?

This way precedes the internet and social media.  Rush Limbaugh is the one that started calling liberals or Democrats communists, Marxists, socialists, and mentally ill back in the early 90s.

At first, I think it was just for the lulz, mocking the ridiculousness of some progressive positions, but when they saw it seriously worked among the culture war types, it became commonplace.

In the early going, I thought Limbaugh was another PJ ORourke, who made fun of liberals,  and government generally, but maintained a respect for the opposition.  He is the one that said "Republicans campaign on the idea that government doesn't work, get elected and prove it."

 

Edited November 7 by TwiceHorn

[royiv 9253]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

A bunch of rural public school teachers do though....it's a much bigger chunk than you'd think.

Does your wife also support Abbott? 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

Just now, royiv said:

Does your wife also support Abbott? 

no and she thinks calling him hot wheels is funny

[royiv 9253]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

no and she thinks calling him hot wheels is funny

How the fuck does she square that? There are some serious mental gymnastics going on in her head. 

[Sbbruin 21829]

Did anyone actually go to Chili's yesterday?

[aggie08 21489]

1 minute ago, Sbbruin said:

Did anyone actually go to Chili's yesterday?

I believe there were a couple who felt the need to punish themselves further.

[Iceman 2693]

10 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Did anyone actually go to Chili's yesterday?

what's the story there?

( sorry if I missed the back story)

[aggie08 21489]

Just now, Iceman said:

what's the story there?

( sorry if I missed the back story)

Long story short: extreme anxiety, trepidation, and anticipation during election week led to multiple ridiculous thread derails. One was how inflation hasn't hit Chili's as hard as other "fast food" and listing everyone's favorite menu item from the last time the went there a decade ago ensued. Dragging your wife/family on Wednesday to a victory Chili's dinner became the Surly celebration consensus. Then it got way less funny.

[ChickenSandwich 9826]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Statistics.  How you ask the question is key.

 

 

1.Violent crime is up under Biden.  Near all time highs?  No. 

We still don't have the revised numbers from 23 or 24

"To give people an idea of the size of the change, when the 2022 data came out in September 2023, they initially reported that violent crime had fallen by 2.1% in 2022.… That's the final data, supposedly, for 2022. The revision of that final data that came out last month (October 2024), now claims that rather than the 2.1% drop, that there was actually a 4.5% increase in violent crime that occurred in 2022. That's a 6.6 percentage point change there," Lott told Fox News Digital. 

2. Inflation has declined to near historic averages after 3 years of historic highs. 

Average Year-Over-Year Inflation Biden vs Trump 5.2% vs 1.9 %

An average of the year-over-year inflation rate for all months of each presidential term.

Carter 1977 - 1981

9.9%

Ford 1974 - 1977

8%

Biden 2021 -

5.2%

Nixon 1969 - 1974

5.7%

Reagan 1981 - 1989

4.6%

H.W. Bush 1989 - 1993

4.3%

W. Bush 2001 - 2009

2.8%

LBJ 1963 - 1969

2.6%

Clinton 1993 - 2001

2.6%

Trump 2017 - 2021

1.9%

Obama 2009 - 2017

1.4%

Eisenhower 1953 - 1961

1.4%

JFK 1961 - 1963

 

3. Stock Market - about the only thing working the last 4 years, I have no idea what the gains look like when adjusted for inflation

 

4. "over the last few months" - before an election, not the past 4 years