Surly Horns Official 🇺🇸 2024 Election Day 🇺🇸

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24 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He didn’t link to his source but the one link in his c&p was to Fox Business so that may have been his source which, unsurprisingly, would’ve been slanted and biased.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Biden’s 2021 stimulus caused inflation but Trump’s 2020 stimulus wasn’t a factor. (Or how Trump’s $28 Billion giveaway to farmers to offset the cost of his tariffs wasn’t socialism but that’s beside the point…sort of.)

I’ve never understood how we completely ignore the fact that inflation was global post pandemic.  I get that politics is laying blame for everything at the other parties feet, but how do you not just show really simple graphical information like below. 

https://www.cfr.org/tracker/global-inflation-tracker

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On 11/9/2024 at 7:40 PM, Pancho said:

Another House flip for Dems as Whitesides defeats R incumbent Garcia in CA27

GOP with 214 called and with leads in 8 of the remaining races.

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42 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He didn’t link to his source but the one link in his c&p was to Fox Business so that may have been his source which, unsurprisingly, would’ve been slanted and biased.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Biden’s 2021 stimulus caused inflation but Trump’s 2020 stimulus wasn’t a factor. (Or how Trump’s $28 Billion giveaway to farmers to offset the cost of his tariffs wasn’t socialism but that’s beside the point…sort of.)

I don't believe facts or anything real controlled the outcome of this election.

The things that seems to matter these days are people's perception of reality, their feelings and vibes, and messaging.  It isn't about policies or what actually happened in the past.  It is about what people feel happened in the past and people's vibes on a candidate. Maybe that has always been true to a certain extent, but today's propaganda tools have turned it up to 11.

Elections these days are controlled by the billions in dark money unleashed by Citizens United and the use of that money to maximize the effectiveness of algorithms and AI to target voters to craft alternative realties and nudge voting blocks in various directions - to turn up at the polls or to suppress turnout.  There is a reason Elon purchased twitter.  It wasn't so he could turn a profit. It was to exert power within our democracy. 

Hopefully, democrats aren't too far behind in being able to exert influence within all the information bubbles out there.  The fact that inflation was working so hard against Harris gives me some hope. The notion that Trump somehow is a generational con man and when he is gone MAGA will die, gives me a glimmer of hope. But when I look at how buffoonish Trump is, at how obviously corrupt he is, and how morally bankrupt MAGA is, and the fact Dems couldn't use all of that effectively to win, makes me think Dems might be too far behind to catch up.  

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Republican wins Colorado 8th district; knocking out incumbent Democrat. A recently created district that was drawn with zero partisan split. Imagine that, letting the voters choose their representative instead of creating a gerrymandered piece of shit. 

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I don't believe facts or anything real controlled the outcome of this election.
The things that seems to matter these days are people's perception of reality, their feelings and vibes, and messaging.  It isn't about policies or what actually happened in the past.  It is about what people feel happened in the past and people's vibes on a candidate. Maybe that has always been true to a certain extent, but today's propaganda tools have turned it up to 11.
Elections these days are controlled by the billions in dark money unleashed by Citizens United and the use of that money to maximize the effectiveness of algorithms and AI to target voters to craft alternative realties and nudge voting blocks in various directions - to turn up at the polls or to suppress turnout.  There is a reason Elon purchased twitter.  It wasn't so he could turn a profit. It was to exert power within our democracy. 
Hopefully, democrats aren't too far behind in being able to exert influence within all the information bubbles out there.  The fact that inflation was working so hard against Harris gives me some hope. The notion that Trump somehow is a generational con man and when he is gone MAGA will die, gives me a glimmer of hope. But when I look at how buffoonish Trump is, at how obviously corrupt he is, and how morally bankrupt MAGA is, and the fact Dems couldn't use all of that effectively to win, makes me think Dems might be too far behind to catch up.  

There is no worse of a candidate that could be run. And he fucking won bigly. The reality is we are fucked for at least 50 years.

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We were watching a show tonight that we dvr'd last Monday. Zipped through commercials, many of which were election ones. Even going through quickly they gave me ptsd.

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18 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He didn’t link to his source but the one link in his c&p was to Fox Business so that may have been his source which, unsurprisingly, would’ve been slanted and biased.

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how Biden’s 2021 stimulus caused inflation but Trump’s 2020 stimulus wasn’t a factor. (Or how Trump’s $28 Billion giveaway to farmers to offset the cost of his tariffs wasn’t socialism but that’s beside the point…sort of.)

Trump's CARES ACT absolutely was bigger than needed and contributed to inflation.  Why wouldn't the Dems doubling down with the American Rescue Act after that be held against them?