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[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, Captainant said:

This is a lie and work of fiction. School nurses aren't sneaking kids into gender reassignment surgeries. They can't even give out fucking advil without a form.

 

Great example of a lie that's been repeated so much that people believe it to be true

You still don't get it....but that's okay. Just keep giving ammo to republicans and making it easy to negative ad bomb you.

[G650 14437]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I voted for Kamala, my wife(a public school teacher) voted for Trump....is she a fascist? Your whole fucking argument is just complete bullshit and you're shitting on a huge block of average people some of which are good kind people and some that could be not so good. To lump them into the same category is fucking pathetic and sad coming from the "open minded" left.

I mean, my grandmother voted Trump. I still love her, but it certainly means she is less good as a person, there is no way around that. And I'm not saying this as someone of "the left" or whatever that means.

[Captainant 28530]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I voted for Kamala, my wife(a public school teacher) voted for Trump....is she a fascist?

Well she certainly voted for someone who checks all the boxes of being a fascist. Trumps policies are fascist policies. I can't imagine how an informed public school teacher would think trump's policies will help her personally or professionally.

[Sawbonz 28218]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

my wife(a public school teacher) voted for Trump....is she a fascist

She’s an enabler of fascism. The families of women dying from miscarriages may find that a distinction without a difference 

[linux 1787]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

to me that was the platform. I didn't see Kamala call for more trans women in women's sports. 

The issue is that Kamala is paying the price for decisions made in 2012. I sounded the alarms back then and nobody listened was lumped along side the alt right before this even metastisized.

[Captainant 28530]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

You still don't get it....but that's okay. Just keep giving ammo to republicans and making it easy to negative ad bomb you.

Help me understand something that isn't fucking happening. Where are schools giving kids gender-affirming medical care? 

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

She’s an enabler of fascism. The families of women dying from miscarriages may find that a distinction without a difference 

We had a miscarriage in 2023 and she still voted for Trump. She's not a fascist...she loves being a public educator and love teaching the children. 

[Billy Pilgrim 2078]

Good lord- where the hell were you people 2016-2020? The world didn’t turn into some post-apocalyptic wasteland. It really didn’t change all that much from the Obama administration and the Biden administration wasn’t all that different than Trump’s. Inflation is bad, immigration is a problem, let’s give someone else a chance to fix it because Biden/Harris didn’t do much about it.

[hobbes2702 13469]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I voted for Kamala, my wife(a public school teacher) voted for Trump....is she a fascist? Your whole fucking argument is just complete bullshit and you're shitting on a huge block of average people some of which are good kind people and some that could be not so good. To lump them into the same category is fucking pathetic and sad coming from the "open minded" left.

I mean she supports fascism. Whether that makes her a fascist or not I guess is up to yall. But with her votes she supports fascism. 
She needs to either get more educated on the candidates or she’s ok with fascism.

[elguapo 4620]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

She's not a fascist...she loves being a public educator and love teaching the children. 

She voted for one though.

[linux 1787]

Just now, Billy Pilgrim said:

Good lord- where the hell were you people 2016-2020? The world didn’t turn into some post-apocalyptic wasteland. It really didn’t change all that much from the Obama administration and the Biden administration wasn’t all that different than Trump’s. Inflation is bad, immigration is a problem, let’s give someone else a chance to fix it because Biden/Harris didn’t do much about it.

Did Trump fix it? and for the record 2020 was a giga disaster year.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, Captainant said:

Help me understand something that isn't fucking happening. Where are schools giving kids gender-affirming medical care? 

You're falling into the democrat trap you dumb mother fucker. You're trying to get too fucking technical on a topic that is surface level not popular at all. Same trap democrats fell into about the economy as looking at it from a too technical point of view than what average people view it as. 

 

Most people agree trans in sports is bad

Most people agree abortion should be a right

 

It's little topics like that which give so much ammunition to each side. 

[G650 14437]

1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

The world didn’t turn into some post-apocalyptic wasteland.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

3 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

She’s an enabler of fascism. The families of women dying from miscarriages may find that a distinction without a difference 

What about the families of women who died due to Biden/Harris' open border?

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

I mean she supports fascism. Whether that makes her a fascist or not I guess is up to yall. But with her votes she supports fascism. 
She needs to either get more educated on the candidates or she’s ok with fascism.

Average people aren't going to get more educated on politicians. That's not how this is working anymore....just stop with your holistic idea of what elections can be and wake up to the new reality of elections that has been going on for 3-4 cycles now.

[aggie08 21796]

Just now, Captainant said:

Help me understand something that isn't fucking happening. Where are schools giving kids gender-affirming medical care? 

Listen, I know the popular refrain around here is "don't give oxygen to they're lies" but that's outdated, and it's why we are where we are. You calmly address their propaganda, explain why it's absolutely bullshit, then ridicule them relentlessly for it.

[Billy Pilgrim 2078]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Help me understand something that isn't fucking happening. Where are schools giving kids gender-affirming medical care? 

Help me understand something that isn’t fucking happening. What fascist policies did Trump enact during his first administration?

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

She voted for one though.

That's fine but to call everyone who voted for him fascist is fucking idiotic, that is my whole argument.

[elguapo 4620]

3 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Good lord- where the hell were you people 2016-2020? The world didn’t turn into some post-apocalyptic wasteland. It really didn’t change all that much from the Obama administration and the Biden administration wasn’t all that different than Trump’s. Inflation is bad, immigration is a problem, let’s give someone else a chance to fix it because Biden/Harris didn’t do much about it.

So vote for the guy that already had a chance and failed, and is also a fascist and criminal. Brilliant

What I have learned most in the past 8+ years is that the USA is irredeemably sexist and stupid.

Edited November 7 by elguapo

[B00M 6733]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I voted for Kamala, my wife(a public school teacher) voted for Trump....is she a fascist?

TBD. What was her reasoning? 

[Red Five 41735]

Help me understand something that isn’t fucking happening. What fascist policies did Trump enact during his first administration?

Well he attempted to stay in office after he was voted out.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

Just now, elguapo said:

So vote for the guy that already had a chance and failed, and it also a fascist and criminal. Brilliant

What I have learned in the past 8+ years is that USA is irredeemably sexist and stupid.

81 million Dems voted for Biden.  A big hunk of that group did not show up to vote for a black woman.  If she had gotten 81 million, she wins in a landslide.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, B00M said:

TBD. What was her reasoning? 

She looks at economy must like everyone else with regards to the last few years I'd assume. We typically don't talk details of politics together as it is better for both our mental health and marriage. 

[aggie08 21796]

Just now, Red Five said:

Well he attempted to stay in office after he was voted out.

Besides that though.

[elguapo 4620]

2 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Help me understand something that isn’t fucking happening. What fascist policies did Trump enact during his first administration?

He had police and the national guard tear gas peaceful protesters so he could go have a photo op in front of a church.

[hobbes2702 13469]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Average people aren't going to get more educated on politicians. That's not how this is working anymore....just stop with your holistic idea of what elections can be and wake up to the new reality of elections that has been going on for 3-4 cycles now.

Ok. She still made a choice to support fascism. I’m sorry that your wife seems to make bad choices or is generally uninformed. That’s not an excuse and the people who’s lives will be negatively effected won’t accept it. And they shouldn’t. 
Your entire argument is that people shouldn’t be accountable for their choices because they choose to be ignorant.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We had a miscarriage in 2023 and she still voted for Trump. She's not a fascist...she loves being a public educator and love teaching the children. 

She sounds like she’s an idiot.

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

81 million Dems voted for Biden.  A big hunk of that group did not show up to vote for a black woman.  If she had gotten 81 million, she wins in a landslide.

The USA is irredeemably stupid and sexist, that includes many Dems.

[UTGrad98 2332]

I spoke to our pharmacist who oversees our infusion business remotely. She is 76 and lives in NC. She said she stayed up on election night until 3am, she normally goes to bed at 9, because for her it was the most important election of our lifetime. She is a conservative but she always makes the caveat she is not a Trumper when she talks to me. And holy hell is she passionate about it. 2 worlds, both entrenched and diametrically opposed in their beliefs. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13729]

4 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

She sounds like she’s an idiot.

come on man. no need for that.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Ok. She still made a choice to support fascism. I’m sorry that your wife seems to make bad choices or is generally uninformed. That’s not an excuse and the people who’s lives will be negatively effected won’t accept it. And they shouldn’t. 
Your entire argument is that people shouldn’t be accountable for their choices because they choose to be ignorant.

My entire argument is you labeling the people what you are makes you no different than the other party.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

That's fine but to call everyone who voted for him fascist is fucking idiotic, that is my whole argument.

At this point laugh at them, tell them to go fuck themselves, and move on. Let them be miserable. Calling voters garbage, racists, Hitler, and telling them they voted wrong is definitely the play get them to vote for you or understated your opinion. Keep it up libs, see how far it gets you.

Edited November 7 by Frank Drebin

[bolverk 30323]

10 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Help me understand something that isn’t fucking happening. What fascist policies did Trump enact during his first administration?

Muslim ban

[hobbes2702 13469]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My entire argument is you labeling the people what you are makes you no different than the other party.

Im not labeling anyone. They did that with their votes. 
Look at the people who agree with you on this.

Edited November 7 by hobbes2702

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Im not labeling anyone. They did that with their votes.

sure sure....

[Sawbonz 28218]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

We had a miscarriage in 2023 and she still voted for Trump. She's not a fascist...she loves being a public educator and love teaching the children. 

I’m glad it was uncomplicated. My wife did as well over 20 years ago. And a few days later she needed a D&C and got it no questions asked. Had she needed one the day of the miscarriage it would have been the same  

That’s no longer the reality thanks to voters like your wife and several of my friends and family members.

Several women have died so far and more will. Your wife’s and my daughters’ lives are at risk like this was the 1800’s and that is not hyperbole  

If there is a fetal heartbeat, unless the woman is hemorrhaging (life threatening) or in florid sepsis (likely to lose uterus if not actually die from multisystem organ failure), they can’t get a D&C or any other pregnancy terminating care. Hospitals are ending their L&D programs and physicians are giving up their OB  privileges or moving out of Texas. 

Public education in Texas and nationwide is about to be gutted. 
 

Medicare and SS are about to be gutted 

Birth control and travel across state lines  for abortion are likely to be made illegal

Mass deportations are going to commence soon

I’ll be fine and better off financially than I  would be under a democratic admin. 
 

But my daughters are scared and pissed and I am furious that things have come to this

 

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

At this point laugh at them, tell them to go fvck themselves, and move on.

You should take your own advice. Fuck off and move on.

[royiv 9783]

23 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Conservatives are less likely to admit they need treatment.

Because conservatives have stigmatized mental health. You obviously know this, but I’m just pointing it out because it’s so obvious by Sack’s own condescension about mental health. It’s the false bravado and machismo that has pervaded people of his ilk to make acknowledging, discussing and promoting mental health as some sort of woke agenda instead of the science that it is. In his world, I guess we should just shut down all medical training in the field of psychiatry and end all scientific research in the field of mental health.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

come on man. no need for that.

You’re right, my bad.

she sounds really hot!

[aggie08 21796]

9 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Good lord- where the hell were you people 2016-2020? The world didn’t turn into some post-apocalyptic wasteland. It really didn’t change all that much from the Obama administration and the Biden administration wasn’t all that different than Trump’s. Inflation is bad, immigration is a problem, let’s give someone else a chance to fix it because Biden/Harris didn’t do much about it.

I'm not a doomsayer, but do you think this term is going to closely resemble his last in terms of restraint and competent appointees (not that there was a ton last time, but enough)?

If you think so, you've literally chosen to ignore all of his actual words. Finding generals who obey without question, RFKjr gets to run all health and science apparatus, deporting generations of immigrants, etc., etc. Which is fine if you don't believe he and his sycophants. We've all realized this long ago that literally nothing out of his mouth matters except for the words that his voters like.

[hobbes2702 13469]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

sure sure....

For whatever her reasons are, she supports fascism with her votes. Maybe yall need to have a talk because she’s enabling fascism and you’re enabling her ignorance 

Edited November 7 by hobbes2702

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

You’re right, my bad.

she sounds really hot!

to be fair she does have pointy elbows...severe flaw which I had to overlook when we met 

Edited November 7 by BurntOrange&White

[GW Hayduke 1957]

27 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

to me that was the platform. I didn't see Kamala call for more trans women in women's sports. 

This is bigger than what just Kamala did. This is about the what the democratic party needs to do.

[Billy Pilgrim 2078]

11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

come on man. no need for that.

User name checks out

[elguapo 4620]

1 minute ago, GW Hayduke said:

This is bigger than what just Kamala did. This is about the what the democratic party needs to do.

Trump and his team of oligarchs and know nothings are going to buttfuck the economy over the next 4 years, Dems should have an easy time in '28.

[BurntOrange&White 41848]

Just now, elguapo said:

Trump and his team of oligarchs and know nothings are going to buttfuck the economy over the next 4 years, Dems should have an easy time in '28.

Very much so but they still need to completely shift how the approach, simplifying their message, embrace modern media, and actually bring a gun to the gun fight. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13729]

on the trans issue, I'm just not sure what the Dems could do other than agree about sports which they effectively do as a group. I'm just uncertain how a political ad would communicate that. 

[elguapo 4620]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Very much so but they still need to completely shift how the approach, simplifying their message, embrace modern media, and actually bring a gun to the gun fight. 

The dems didn't run a perfect campaign, but Trump is a terrible candidate and beat 2 women, when he ran against a generic old white guy he lost pretty badly. We have never elected a woman president, don't overthink this.

[Sawbonz 28218]

49 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Ad-hoc changes to the English language/syntax/grammer with losing your job as a consequence of error is completely Orwellian.

I’m sorry but insisting on being referenced as a plural pronoun in instances where a singular is grammatically correct is fucking absurd.

I’ll gladly refer to anyone who wants to be referred to he or she as they desire.
 

“They” was becoming acceptable as a third person singular neuter pronoun when I took upper division English Grammar at UT 35 years ago. It wasn’t in any style books yet, but English is dominated by descriptive not prescriptive rules for grammar and syntax: otherwise we would all be speaking French.

Of course one could use “one” instead, but who other than William F Buckley could really pull that off?

 

 

[G650 14437]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Of course one could use “one” instead, but who other than William F Buckley could really pull that off?

One could, if one were so inclined.