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[UpperWestside 6134]

11 hours ago, Pancho said:

Congratulations to Grand Canyon University on the great lessons they are teaching to their students.

I feel like this response was cherry-picked for this article due to giving the dumbest possible answer. 

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

I know there are still a lot of votes to count, so it's not really fair to compare 2020 to 2024 vote totals quite yet, but there was a steep decline in overall turnout. That's really surprising considering the total number of eligible voters should rise every year as population increases. Really makes you wonder how 10 million+ people would sit out an election after seemingly voting against the same guy 4 years ago.  

Can’t remember if this graph has been posted on here, but it should be pinned to the top of every page.

People are globally unhappy with the state of the economy. That’s what determined this election, period. There are many things the Democratic Party can and should do to correct its messaging, which I’ve detailed in the Jamie Harrison thread, but it would not have made a substantial difference this year. Anyone, on here or otherwise, trying to convince you that there is something uniquely wrong with the American Democratic Party or the specific candidate chosen is merely gaslighting you while taking a victory lap.

[Anastasis 23393]

32 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Anyone, on here or otherwise, trying to convince you that there is something uniquely wrong with the American Democratic Party or the specific candidate chosen is merely gaslighting you while taking a victory lap.

Well that’s a bold strategy for the future. 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Well that’s a bold strategy for the future. 

I hope they never change. 

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

Well that’s a bold strategy for the future. 

I hope they never change. 

I wrote like a thousand words on things that need changing. There’s plenty of stuff obviously not working. My point is that in THIS election, going on Rogan and cutting the T out of LQBTQ would not have been enough to overcome what incumbents are currently facing.

[David Dennison 18652]

3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I wrote like a thousand words on things that need changing. There’s plenty of stuff obviously not working. My point is that in THIS election, going on Rogan and cutting the T out of LQBTQ would not have been enough to overcome what incumbents are currently facing.

 

Republicans think most people in this country agree with their ideology and that their policies are popular.

I hope they never change.

Edited November 8 by David Dennison

[SimonBolivar 10911]

10 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I want him to keep up with his Veep style cringe while doing as little harm as possible.

 

Well he's going to have those Veep moments where he hasn't heard of a country or where he clearly didn't read the daily briefing and all that. He's not becoming a different person suddenly where he's a hard working intellectually curious 78 year old. 

 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Republicans think most people in this country agree with their ideology and that their policies are popular.

I hope they never change.

We both apparently like our current party’s respective positions.  
 

And damn. I absolutely detest white leftists equal or more than you guys detest me and other deplorable MAGATs.  I don’t believe there is anything more malignant in this country than the white liberal progressive which have captured most of our institutions and is aiding a slow march to Marxism, the most destructive ideology of my lifetime.  But your tone deafness, smugness, and inability to self reflect almost makes up for it.  

[Dnaguy 11770]

2 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We both apparently like our current party’s respective positions.  
 

And damn. I absolutely detest white leftists equal or more than you guys detest me and other deplorable MAGATs.  I don’t believe there is anything more malignant in this country than the white liberal progressive which have captured most of our institutions and is aiding a slow march to Marxism, the most destructive ideology of my lifetime.  But your tone deafness, smugness, and inability to self reflect almost makes up for it.  

This is something.

i mean, wow.

 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

3 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This is something.

i mean, wow.

 

We don’t like each other.  That’s okay.  I do appreciate white liberals turning Hispanics toward the GOP.  They also don’t like your woke shit. Or being called Latinx.  Texas is now redder than New York is blue. And we only have white leftists to thank for that.  
 

The Dems have got to be shitting themselves right now. They thought that the Latino vote would be locked up for them forever. Now they are swinging hard right as they have been established in our country for a couple of generations.

[DaysOff 7851]

So bizarre seeing Sack and the other right wing loons spiking the football. I know they have wives and daughters that know dad voted for a rapist and serial sexual assaulter of women. Did anyone see Ted Cruz's daughter reaction during his speech? Maybe the women in their lives are into the whole Trad wife thing because of the invisible man that lives in the sky.

When these guys kick it and the grandkids are cleaning out the attic garage and find the Maga shit, they'll realize granddaddy was a bit of a nazi. But they already knew that.

[David Dennison 18652]

9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We both apparently like our current party’s respective positions.  
 

And damn. I absolutely detest white leftists equal or more than you guys detest me and other deplorable MAGATs.  I don’t believe there is anything more malignant in this country than the white liberal progressive which have captured most of our institutions and is aiding a slow march to Marxism, the most destructive ideology of my lifetime.  But your tone deafness, smugness, and inability to self reflect almost makes up for it.  

You are the mirror image of that which you detest. You embody the same tone deafness, smugness, and inability to self reflect.

[DigglerontheHoof 21053]

14 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We both apparently like our current party’s respective positions.  
 

And damn. I absolutely detest white leftists equal or more than you guys detest me and other deplorable MAGATs.  I don’t believe there is anything more malignant in this country than the white liberal progressive which have captured most of our institutions and is aiding a slow march to Marxism, the most destructive ideology of my lifetime.  But your tone deafness, smugness, and inability to self reflect almost makes up for it.  

This describes Jesus pretty well.  You know the diety you pretend to worship and believe in?  You'd have been nailing him to the cross. 

You're nothing more than straight-up KKK.  

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

So bizarre seeing Sack and the other right wing loons spiking the football. I know they have wives and daughters that know dad voted for a rapist and serial sexual assaulter of women. Did anyone see Ted Cruz's daughter reaction during his speech? Maybe the women in their lives are into the whole Trad wife thing because of the invisible man that lives in the sky.

When these guys kick it and the grandkids are cleaning out the attic garage and find the Maga shit, they'll realize granddaddy was a bit of a nazi. But they already knew that.

Lets be honest? Why wouldn't they be spiking the football? They completely kicked the shit out of the left in house, senate, president, and popular vote. A complete fucking beat down....

 

Lefts rhetoric with calling the average people who voted for Trump is just as pathetic as the rights rhetoric about the left. You're literally calling normal Americans Nazis and fascist. 

Edited November 8 by BurntOrange&White

[DaysOff 7851]

Because it's embarrassing to travel abroad as an American with Trump as president.

[DigglerontheHoof 21053]

Just now, DaysOff said:

Because it's embarrassing to travel abroad as an American with Trump as president.

A German colleague told me a joke this morning.

What borders on stupidity?

Mexico and Canada

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

1 minute ago, DaysOff said:

Because it's embarrassing to travel abroad as an American with Trump as president.

Really hits home with the middle and working class. 

[David Dennison 18652]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Lets be honest? Why wouldn't they be spiking the football? They completely kicked the shit out of the left in house, senate, president, and popular vote. A complete fucking beat down....

Let's be honest. If the 21st century has taught us anything about democracy in America, it's that the same thing will happen to them sooner rather than later. 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Lets be honest? Why wouldn't they be spiking the football? They completely kicked the shit out of the left in house, senate, president, and popular vote. A complete fucking beat down....

 

Lefts rhetoric with calling the average people who voted for Trump is just as pathetic as the rights rhetoric about the left. You're literally calling normal Americans Nazis and fascist. 

Damn right.  If the shoe was on the other foot, they would be talking plenty of shit. 

Suck it up, buttercups.

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Let's be honest. If the 21st century has taught us anything about democracy in America, it's that the same thing will happen to them sooner rather than later. 

Not if democrats don't decide to make big changes and go back to be the party of the working class. 

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Damn right.  If the shoe was on the other foot, they would be talking plenty of shit. 

Suck it up, buttercups.

I don't like you either for the reasons they don't but I just don't like how they're acting no better than you in defeat.

[Frank Drebin 5616]

2 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

A German colleague told me a joke this morning.

What borders on stupidity?

Mexico and Canada

Tell those Euros Daddy is back and is no longer going to be subsidizing their defense. Time for them to pay their fair share.  We might sell them LNG if Russia cuts them off and they ask nice enough.

[Frank Drebin 5616]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not if democrats don't decide to make big changes and go back to be the party of the working class. 

I don't like you either for the reasons they don't but I just don't like how they're acting no better than you in defeat.

I can accept that.  I really don't want them to like me.  I feel like white liberals are bad people.  They feel the same about me.  I am okay with that. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21053]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Tell those Euros Daddy is back and is no longer going to be subsidizing their defense. Time for them to pay their fair share.  We might sell them LNG if Russia cuts them off and they ask nice enough.

You're a Russian-loving cunt.  Keep showing us how good Christians are, you fucking piece of shit.

[David Dennison 18652]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Tell those Euros Daddy is back and is no longer going to be subsidizing their defense. Time for them to pay their fair share.  We might sell them LNG if Russia cuts them off and they ask nice enough.

And while you're at, tell them that we're totally going to continue subsidizing their defense even if they don't pay their fair share.

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

I can accept that.  I really don't want them to like me.  I feel like white liberals are bad people.  They feel the same about me.  I am okay with that. 

IMO there is no difference in far left white liberal and far right white conservative. Different side of the same coin.

[WBT 20415]

11 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Texas is now redder than New York is blue

I was just looking over the map and the margins for each state.  Other than Harris only winning NJ by 5, one thing that stood out the most was that Trump had more excess votes in TX and FL than Harris did in CA and NY.  That may not hold as CA funishes counting but if this overall trend holds, I predict a lot of people are suddenly going to reverse their deeply held philosophical feelings about the electoral college.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2389]

18 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Did anyone actually go to Chili's yesterday?

Chili's is for winners.  

[Frank Drebin 5616]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

I was just looking over the map and the margins for each state.  Other than Harris only winning NJ by 5, one thing that stood out the most was that Trump had more excess votes in TX and FL than Harris did in CA and NY.  That may not hold as CA funishes counting but if this overall trend holds, I predict a lot of people are suddenly going to reverse their deeply held philosophical feelings about the electoral college.

Trump was closer to winning New York, New Jersey, and Illinois than the Democrats were to winning Texas. The Democratic Party spend a ton of money thinking that they could unseat Ted Cruz. Cruz won by 10 points, and one all but 10 counties in the entire State of Texas.  The Democrats also spent way more money on Ads in all the swing states.  But legacy media -- which has for decades been in the tank for the left -- is dead.  It's why they hate Elon so, so much.  He broke their stranglehold on Big Tech.

[Dnaguy 11770]

12 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

We don’t like each other.  That’s okay.  I do appreciate white liberals turning Hispanics toward the GOP.  They also don’t like your woke shit. Or being called Latinx.  Texas is now redder than New York is blue. And we only have white leftists to thank for that.  
 

The Dems have got to be shitting themselves right now. They thought that the Latino vote would be locked up for them forever. Now they are swinging hard right as they have been established in our country for a couple of generations.

I don’t know you.

You may not like me, but I can’t say how I feel about you as a person.

I don’t agree with your anger though.

And I can’t understand a world where you could hate a something like a whole group as large as white liberals.

I never hated conservatives. I didn’t agree with the policies, but I never hated them.

[Captainant 27442]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

IMO there is no difference in far left white liberal and far right white conservative. Different side of the same coin.

I think there's a difference in thinking gay marriage should be legal, and thinking we should denaturalize people because a relative committed a crime 

[David Dennison 18652]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not if democrats don't decide to make big changes and go back to be the party of the working class. 

They should have ditched the neoliberal bullshit a long time ago.

[Frank Drebin 5616]

Just now, Captainant said:

I think there's a difference in thinking gay marriage should be legal, and thinking we should denaturalize people because a relative committed a crime 

I think gay marriage should be legal too.  I have thought so for 22 years.  Long before even Democrat presidential candidates expressed that belief.  I am okay with plural marriages also.  Consenting adults should be able to associate in marriage however they choose.

(I don't want my church doing either, but that is a separate discussion).

[royiv 9149]

18 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Because it's embarrassing to travel abroad as an American with Trump as president.

Absolutely true. Would love to know the % of Trump voters that even possess a passport. I bet it’s a very low number. These people have a very limited worldview.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

39 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

I wrote like a thousand words on things that need changing. There’s plenty of stuff obviously not working. My point is that in THIS election, going on Rogan and cutting the T out of LQBTQ would not have been enough to overcome what incumbents are currently facing.

 

 

35 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Republicans think most people in this country agree with their ideology and that their policies are popular.

I hope they never change.

The majority of Americans don’t agree with the issues that the democratic party chose to focus on in this election cycle. Those issues (abortion, LGBT, government intervention in everything) are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party. Say what you want, but the majority of country wants to put their family needs like grocery prices, border security, illegal immigration, and simply have the “American dream” that their parents had. These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime. 

When you segregate your entire electorate to ethnic, gender, class, and generational groups and don’t broadly approach eligible voters, you alienate the majority of Americans. 

People calling the electorate uneducated, misinformed, misogynistic, racist, is what got democrats this result. The Republicans pounced on that and built their campaign on appealing to the broad electorate. 

 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

4 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

 

The majority of Americans don’t agree with the issues that the democratic party chose to focus on in this election cycle. Those issues (abortion, LGBT, government intervention in everything) are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party. Say what you want, but the majority of country wants to put their family needs like grocery prices, border security, illegal immigration, and simply have the “American dream” that their parents had. These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime. 

When you segregate your entire electorate to ethnic, gender, class, and generational groups and don’t broadly approach eligible voters, you alienate the majority of Americans. 

People calling the electorate uneducated, misinformed, misogynistic, racist, is what got democrats this result. The Republicans pounced on that and built their campaign on appealing to the broad electorate. 

 

What should scare the democrats to death is that in 2030 we will have a new census. OIt is projected that the 2030 census will see at a minimum a 12 point swing in Electoral Collage votes from safe blue states to Texas, Florida, and swing states that lean GOP. Had the 2020 census been performed accurately then Trump wouldn't have even needed to win PA, Wisconsin, or Michigan to win the White House. 

[G650 14086]

10 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime. 

What they want is unobtainable period, which I noted the other day.

[David Dennison 18652]

11 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

The majority of Americans don’t agree with the issues that the democratic party chose to focus on in this election cycle. Those issues (abortion, LGBT, government intervention in everything) are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party. Say what you want, but the majority of country wants to put their family needs like grocery prices, border security, illegal immigration, and simply have the “American dream” that their parents had. These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime.

And when they become even less attainable under Republican leadership, as per usual, Democrats will take advantage.

Rinse, repeat.

 

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

3 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

 

The majority of Americans don’t agree with the issues that the democratic party chose to focus on in this election cycle. Those issues (abortion, LGBT, government intervention in everything) are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party. Say what you want, but the majority of country wants to put their family needs like grocery prices, border security, illegal immigration, and simply have the “American dream” that their parents had. These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime. 

When you segregate your entire electorate to ethnic, gender, class, and generational groups and don’t broadly approach eligible voters, you alienate the majority of Americans. 

People calling the electorate uneducated, misinformed, misogynistic, racist, is what got democrats this result. The Republicans pounced on that and built their campaign on appealing to the broad electorate. 

 

I'll push back on the abortion thing.....

 

Arizona, passed(went to Trump)
Colorado, passed(went to Kamala)
Florida, failed (went to Trump)
Maryland, passed(went to Kamala)
Missouri, passed(went to Trump)
Montana, passed(went to Trump)
Nebraska, passed/failed(went to Trump)
Nevada, passed(went to Trump)
New York, passed(went to Kamala)
South Dakota, failed(went to Trump)

 

5/7 states that went to Trump passed measures to protect.

Florida had 57% which is a majority of the state supporting protection, unfortunately Florida requires 60% which is kind of bogus.

Nebraska protected the 12 week timeline they have which is less restrictive than Florida/South Dakota. They failed at extending it to 24-26 weeks.

South Dakota just rejected it. 



 

[hobbes2702 12799]

37 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Lets be honest? Why wouldn't they be spiking the football? They completely kicked the shit out of the left in house, senate, president, and popular vote. A complete fucking beat down....

 

Lefts rhetoric with calling the average people who voted for Trump is just as pathetic as the rights rhetoric about the left. You're literally calling normal Americans Nazis and fascist. 

You keep saying this for some reason as though they didn’t vote for a Nazi and fascist. 

[Frank Drebin 5616]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I'll push back on the abortion thing.....

 

Arizona, passed(went to Trump)
Colorado, passed(went to Kamala)
Florida, failed (went to Trump)
Maryland, passed(went to Kamala)
Missouri, passed(went to Trump)
Montana, passed(went to Trump)
Nebraska, passed/failed(went to Trump)
Nevada, passed(went to Trump)
New York, passed(went to Kamala)
South Dakota, failed(went to Trump)

 

5/7 states that went to Trump passed measures to protect.

Florida had 57% which is a majority of the state supporting protection, unfortunately Florida requires 60% which is kind of bogus.

Nebraska protected the 12 week timeline they have which is less restrictive than Florida/South Dakota. They failed at extending it to 24-26 weeks.

South Dakota just rejected it. 



 

It's how it should be.  A state issue that has nothing to do with the federal government or federal elections.  Roe was wrongly decided.  People can feel free to vote for Trump and against restrictive abortion bans.  It's called federalism, and there is not enough of it.

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

6 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's how it should be.  A state issue that has nothing to do with the federal government or federal elections.  Roe was wrongly decided.  People can feel free to vote for Trump and against restrictive abortion bans.  It's called federalism, and there is not enough of it.

Disagree completely....and I think Walz had the best quote about it with regards to rights to women shouldn't be dictated by geography. A woman's rights isn't a state issue it is a national issue. Also a huge issue is Texas suing to get access to private medical records is ridiculous and I think you’d agree 

Edited November 8 by BurntOrange&White

[BurntOrange&White 39620]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep saying this for some reason as though they didn’t vote for a Nazi and fascist. 

You calling the voters that is no different than a right winger calling someone who voted for Obama or Kamala a N word lover. 

[hobbes2702 12799]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It's how it should be.  A state issue that has nothing to do with the federal government or federal elections.  Roe was wrongly decided.  People can feel free to vote for Trump and against restrictive abortion bans.  It's called federalism, and there is not enough of it.

Right to privacy in medical decision shouldn’t be a states issue. That makes no fucking sense lol

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You calling the voters that is no different than a right winger calling someone who voted for Obama or Kamala a N word lover. 

Is this really how your brain works?

[Chuckie Finster 22598]

24 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

 

The majority of Americans don’t agree with the issues that the democratic party chose to focus on in this election cycle. Those issues (abortion, LGBT, government intervention in everything) are the cornerstone of the Democratic Party. Say what you want, but the majority of country wants to put their family needs like grocery prices, border security, illegal immigration, and simply have the “American dream” that their parents had. These things are seen as unobtainable with the current regime. 

When you segregate your entire electorate to ethnic, gender, class, and generational groups and don’t broadly approach eligible voters, you alienate the majority of Americans. 

People calling the electorate uneducated, misinformed, misogynistic, racist, is what got democrats this result. The Republicans pounced on that and built their campaign on appealing to the broad electorate. 

 

Politics can mirror a romantic relationship.  When you are happy, you don't care much about the little things.  When you are unhappy, you decide that the way she smacks when she eats, snores at night, etc. are suddenly dealbreakers.  The American people wanted out, therefore they decided that the Democratic platform (the same platform that hasn't lost a popular vote in 20 years) was a dealbreaker.

There are plenty of things the Democratic party can and should adjust, but if the Republican party ignores the external factors that influenced this election and concludes that the American public has made a permanent rightward shift socially, it will only hasten the Democratic party's rise back to power.  

Well, that, and the fact that a platform that is essentially "own the libs" hits much less hard when you run all three branches of government.

Edited November 8 by Chuckie Finster

[Frank Drebin 5616]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Disagree completely....and I think Walz had the best quote about it with regards to rights to women shouldn't be dictated by geography. A woman's rights isn't a state issue it is a national issue. 

I do not believe the Constitution was ever meant to protect the right to kill the unborn.  States traditionally -- from ratification up until the Warren Court -- had the right to have whatever laws they saw fit on abortion. 

If Mr. Walz is correct about what "should" be, then there can either be a constitutional amendment or some sort of federal codification of the right.  Nothing stopped Democrats from doing so when they had a filibuster proof majority under Obama.  They never even tried.

Geography controls all sorts of rights for women and men, so I do not understand that logic.  States have different laws on plenty of stuff.  In one state, you will go to prison for a long time and be a registered sex offender if you have sex with a 17 year old.  In others the age of consent is 18.  And others it is 16.  States have various criminal codes for what drugs you choose to ingest. 

[GreenspointTexas 9559]

Again, yall are diving wayyyy too deep into the average voter

 

The average voter voted with their wallet. End of story. And also, a large chunk of people dont like women in power, especially women of color

 

That was it. That was the election. All of these deep dives on messaging and focus and other stuff is just bullshit. The average voter had very little clue/care about either parties position on most of what yall are bringing up

[Captainant 27442]

Just now, Frank Drebin said:

I do not believe the Constitution was ever meant to protect the right to kill the unborn.  States traditionally -- from ratification up until the Warren Court -- had the right to have whatever laws they saw fit on abortion. 

It's moreso that women are being left to die while miscarrying for days until the nonviable fetus' heart stops. These are not women who want to kill babies. They desperately want to be mothers, but unfortunately miscarried. 

Why do you think those women deserve death?

[Frank Drebin 5616]

5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Right to privacy in medical decision shouldn’t be a states issue. That makes no fucking sense lol

Is this really how your brain works?

Pass an amendment then.  Roe was shit.  Even RBG thought so.  Or use politics.  You will probably win most of those battles in today's age. Even in red states.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I'll push back on the abortion thing.....

 

Arizona, passed(went to Trump)
Colorado, passed(went to Kamala)
Florida, failed (went to Trump)
Maryland, passed(went to Kamala)
Missouri, passed(went to Trump)
Montana, passed(went to Trump)
Nebraska, passed/failed(went to Trump)
Nevada, passed(went to Trump)
New York, passed(went to Kamala)
South Dakota, failed(went to Trump)

 

5/7 states that went to Trump passed measures to protect.

Florida had 57% which is a majority of the state supporting protection, unfortunately Florida requires 60% which is kind of bogus.

Nebraska protected the 12 week timeline they have which is less restrictive than Florida/South Dakota. They failed at extending it to 24-26 weeks.

South Dakota just rejected it. 



 

Noted and fair point. The repealing of Roe has essentially taken the issue off the federal level and regulated it to the states, where it should be in my opinion. Vote in local and state elections to have your voice heard. Trump won multiple states that ratified abortion (states you noted). To me, this shows that there are national issues that should be addressed at the national level, and state issues that should be addressed at the state level.

It’s a brilliant move by the Republicans as it completely becomes irrelevant in national election. Trump has said multiple times that he will not institute a national abortion ban. If people want to be around like minded people, move to NY, CA, MN…states that allow for abortion up to point of birth (which is mind boggling to me). The fear mongering MSM has done this election cycle is outlandish.

In the end, I think the majority of Americans are fed up with being told how to live. The government, particularly the federal government, just needs to leave us the fuck alone and let people live their lives, not tell us how to live.

[GreenspointTexas 9559]

Most voters were looking around in a post covid world saying things like “damn things are expensive” and “i cant buy a house.”

 

so instead of voting for the party that is currently in power, they went back to the guy that was in power when things were cheaper