Trump’s America

[DigglerontheHoof 20,816]

Just now, WBT said:

The Dem will almost surely win in 28.  People will get sick of Trump's shit again.

He'll be dictator for life by then. 

[Hank Kingsley 20,418]

Clearly it's not just one thing, but hopefully the state of MSM, internet, and social media will be taken more seriously. People are consuming two completely different and fully separated sets of information. 

 

[A’Dam Psycho 1,458]

11 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

No, Trump is all that 100%. It's a matter of believing 100% of supporters voted for him because of that and not in spite of that.

If you vote for a known proven racist, criminal, sexual abuser, homophobic, felon, because you want cheaper eggs and milk then you lose benefit of doubt from me personally. Those things should be automatic disqualifications

[Constant 6,639]

Nazi propaganda and messaging wins once more. I hate everything. 

[TexArcher 37,346]

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

The Dem will almost surely win in 28.  People will get sick of Trump's shit again.

There probably isn't going to be an election in 2028.

And even if there is, so many "intellectual elitists leftists" are going to leave that the Democrats can't win.

I expect that by about 2040, this entire country will look like Mississippi.  Everyone smarter than that will be gone.

And a bunch of Republicans would smile at that notion.

[hpslugga 4,018]

26 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

I wish I could sugar coat this but the next four years are gonna be an absolute unmitigated disaster.

Unemployment right now is 4.2 after reaching a low of 3.5. That’s gonna skyrocket 

Rich donors are gonna get tax breaks in record numbers

Project 25 will be inacted

Obamacare will be destroyed with no play to replace it

Bipartisan border bill will not be passed 

The low to middle class will be absolutely destroyed. 
 

But hey, Milk & Eggs will be a dollar cheaper….maybe

There’s also going to be the tariffs that Trump’s followers honestly believe are paid for by the “offending” country. That shit is going to reignite inflation, and it’s just further proof that Americans are by and large financially illiterate. Blame Biden for gas prices, blame Biden for inflation, yada yada. Meanwhile, we literally went through this experiment already in 2019 when it really was the Trump economy by that point. He couldn’t take credit for Obama’s successes anymore, and it was a drastic failure. The yield curve inverted, and gold/silver going up while copper went down, and all that was before any of you motherfuckers knew what coronavirus even was, and yet we’ve got sniveling little dickheads telling us that the bigger problem is people like me pointing that out. 

Edited 17 hours ago by hpslugga

[TwiceHorn 30,912]

8 minutes ago, WBT said:

The Dem will almost surely win in 28.  People will get sick of Trump's shit again.

That's the other shocking thing, people's memories of how things were under Trump, and Trump himself, are so bad.  I really thought more people were sick of his shit than this.

Tangentially related thought.  I didn't much like Harris back in 2018-2019, I liked Warren and was ultimately ok with Biden, but given the circumstances, I thought she ran a fantastic campaign and was a genuine, likeable candidate.  If you vote for the person, not the policies, or against the person, she seemed to be a winner.

I am guilty of casual misogyny, but I don't think even deep down I am a misogynist.  It barely entered my mind to consider it a negative that she is a woman, or a person of color. My only thought there was "it's about time" and that it would be historic.

I think a problem for Democrats is that traditional government appears to have failed a lot of people, or they perceive it that way.  But I don't really see how Democrats can campaign except on more or less traditional government grounds.  Are they going to have to campaign as more benevolent dictators?  What the fuck.

And, I had hoped that a Harris win would maybe start undoing some of the shit we've got going on in Texas, which is going to be a long, slow process, regardless.  Fucking fuck.  Ken Paxton is going to be our governor.

Edited 16 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[aggie08 20,975]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

And even if there is, so many "intellectual elitists leftists" are going to leave that the Democrats can't win.

It's already been happening, but the migration to more culturally aligned states is going to rapidly increase. It's not a question I want to think about right now, but I'm betting it fucks the Electoral College for Dems even harder, because of course it will.

[TexArcher 37,346]

5 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

There’s also going to be the tariffs that Trump’s followers honestly believe are paid for by the “offending” country. That shit is going to reignite inflation, and it’s just further proof that Americans are by and large financially illiterate. Blame Biden for gas prices, blame Biden for inflation, yada yada. Meanwhile, we literally went through this experiment already in 2019 when it really was the Trump economy by that point. He couldn’t take credit for Obama’s successes anymore, and it was a drastic failure. The yield curve inverted, and gold/silver going up while copper went down, and all that was before any of you motherfuckers knew what coronavirus even was, and yet we’ve got sniveling little dickheads telling us that the bigger problem is people like me pointing that out. 

Yeah, but don't worry -- war with China should stimulate the economy.  And of course we'll be on our own since we'll have left NATO.

[DigglerontheHoof 20,816]

About the only choice I have is to gtfo of Texas.  I'll probably move to New Mexico or Colorado.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3,087]

13 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We will deport some brown people. 

Apparently quite a few of those brown people voted for Trump so....

 

[Incredulity 11,281]

6 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

The stock market will crash tomorrow.

[G650 13,552]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

It's already been happening, but the migration to more culturally aligned states is going to rapidly increase. It's not a question I want to think about right now, but I'm betting it fucks the Electoral College for Dems even harder, because of course it will.

I think that is the most immediate effect, increasing internal migration

[Ghost of LL 15,321]

@Brisketexan will tell you that I pour very good whisky out here on the ledge.

[softlynow 1,699]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's the other shocking thing, people's memories of how things were under Trump, and Trump himself, are so bad.  I really thought more people were sick of his shit than this.

How much contact do you have with lower and middle income folks? I see a steady parade of Trump and Let’s Go Brandon shit, so I wasn’t totally surprised. My hope was that it was different outside Montgomery County, Texas. Now I know it’s not so different elsewhere. We are a loathsome people.

We are on a course more towards Elysium than Star Trek. I think civilization and humanitarian progress peaked in the Obama years. . 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,043]

3 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Apparently quite a few of those brown people voted for Trump so....

 

Trumps Hispanic vote being better than Bush's... Damn..

 

 

[wildcat09 28,953]

What’s going to happen is there’s going to be another pandemic, but this time they’ll lock up anyone who even talks about needing a vaccine.

[hpslugga 4,018]

5 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Yeah, but don't worry -- war with China should stimulate the economy.  And of course we'll be on our own since we'll have left NATO.

I swear, right now this feels like the South Park episode where Steve Jobs keeps fucking with those people who don’t read the User Terms

[softlynow 1,699]

5 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

About the only choice I have is to gtfo of Texas.  I'll probably move to New Mexico or Colorado.

They’ll be safe for a while. Western Europe needs to ramp up their militaries if there’s to be any liberal democracies left. 

[DigglerontheHoof 20,816]

Just now, softlynow said:

They’ll be safe for a while. Western Europe needs to ramp up their militaries if there’s to be any liberal democracies left. 

I agree, within a few years, it won't matter.  States rights will be dead.  At least I'm 58, so I won't have to live the majority of my life in an oligarchy.

[G650 13,552]

1 minute ago, softlynow said:

How much contact do you have with lower and middle income folks? I see a steady parade of Trump and Let’s Go Brandon shit, so I wasn’t totally surprised. My hope was that it was different outside Montgomery County, Texas. Now I know it’s not so different elsewhere. We are a loathsome people.

We are on a course more towards Elysium than Star Trek. I think civilization and humanitarian progress peaked in the Obama years. . 

I will say I'm not remotely surprised either, I had a feeling this was the outcome. But it's really not the working class, it's middle class people. They know a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of this, but they don't care, because, reasons.

[Bateshorn 9,851]

2 minutes ago, softlynow said:

They’ll be safe for a while. Western Europe needs to ramp up their militaries if there’s to be any liberal democracies left. 

Liberal Democracy is over.

Victor Orban out front should a told ya.

[TwiceHorn 30,912]

Just now, G650 said:

I will say I'm not remotely surprised either, I had a feeling this was the outcome. But it's really not the working class, it's middle class people. They know a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of this, but they don't care, because, reasons.

Oh, I don't think they do.  I think they like the idea of it, but they obviously don't know-know.

[MirrOlure 14,514]

For a second there, I was like “oh no you didn’t, Wordle!!!!”

[wildcat09 28,953]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oh, I don't think they do.  I think they like the idea of it, but they obviously don't know-know.

Yup. They’ll all be shocked when it actually happens and try to absolve themselves of any responsibility because how could they have possibly known?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,353]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

up. They’ll all be shocked when it actually happens and try to absolve themselves of any responsibility because how could they have possibly known?

Lol every alarm bell was rang… they chose to ignore.  

[956 Worldwide 34,141]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yup. They’ll all be shocked when it actually happens and try to absolve themselves of any responsibility because how could they have possibly known?

Lol, no one is going to act shocked anymore.  It’s what they want. 

[hpslugga 4,018]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Yup. They’ll all be shocked when it actually happens and try to absolve themselves of any responsibility because how could they have possibly known?

“Cuz we can’t fuckin listen, and we can’t pay attention to history, and we only half-assed fuckin pay attention and listen”

-Mike Leach

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

5 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I'm approaching work about an expat move to London. I'm done.

Good.  Bye.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,508]

1 hour ago, Newy25 said:

If you openly hate the people you want to convince to vote for you, get used to losing. 

Russia literally sent in bomb threats against Americans on election night in support of a candidate who stated he wants to use the military against Americans who don't support him and this is your janky gaslighting take away.

[A’Dam Psycho 1,458]

20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's the other shocking thing, people's memories of how things were under Trump, and Trump himself, are so bad.  I really thought more people were sick of his shit than this.

Tangentially related thought.  I didn't much like Harris back in 2018-2019, I liked Warren and was ultimately ok with Biden, but given the circumstances, I thought she ran a fantastic campaign and was a genuine, likeable candidate.  If you vote for the person, not the policies, or against the person, she seemed to be a winner.

I am guilty of casual misogyny, but I don't think even deep down I am a misogynist.  It barely entered my mind to consider it a negative that she is a woman, or a person of color. My only thought there was "it's about time" and that it would be historic.

I think a problem for Democrats is that traditional government appears to have failed a lot of people, or they perceive it that way.  But I don't really see how Democrats can campaign except on more or less traditional government grounds.  Are they going to have to campaign as more benevolent dictators?  What the fuck.

And, I had hoped that a Harris win would maybe start undoing some of the shit we've got going on in Texas, which is going to be a long, slow process, regardless.  Fucking fuck.  Ken Paxton is going to be our governor.

It’s clear to me that the GOP and Democratic Party operate by a different set of rules. I’ve accepted a while back that Dems are always gonna be the party that wins when the republicans fuck up or at least perceived to fuck up.
 

I literally watched the Democratic Party run Howard Dean clear out of the primary race for getting too excited on stage during a rally and going on to lose the election with John Kerry to a C avg student from Yale. Dems are the cleanup crew and I just don’t see that changing. The only positive is Dems will absolutely win in 2028 regardless of who they put forward because the orange baboon will absolutely hammer us for four years

[TwiceHorn 30,912]

So, the GOP has had to kowtow to Trump to win elections.  One way or another, Trump is not going to stand for an election again.

He's also going to go out sooner rather than later and I think we agree his unique brand of populism is irreplaceable.

How much does the GOP continue to kowtow to him?

Edited 16 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[G650 13,552]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Lol, no one is going to act shocked anymore.  It’s what they want. 

Exactly

[SubliminalHorn 6,496]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, the GOP has had to kowtow to Trump to win elections.  One way or another, Trump is not going to stand for an election again.

How much does the GOP continue to kowtow to him?

He will still hold the base under his spell. They’ll need him until his body is lying in state in the capitol rotunda 

[Brew 2,952]

Trump’s America is who we have become, that much is clear now.

That in and of itself brings on this sense of hopelessness I have this morning. 

There was hope that the next generation wasn’t as bad as the outgoing generation and they would help save us. Yeah, nope.

There was hope that with defeat, the GOP would be able to move on from Trumpism and maybe move a different direction. Yeah, nope.

Trump may have a Senate, House, and SC and more than half the voters supporting his plan. Hopeless, that’s what I see for the future. My oldest daughter is already exploring semester abroad programs, she will likely look further at more permanent solutions.

[TwiceHorn 30,912]

2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

He will still hold the base under his spell. They’ll need him until his body is lying in state in the capitol rotunda 

See my edit.  They're going to have to do something other than Trump in the near future.  What will it be?  Yes they need his base, but I don't think they can hold it without the man himself.

People don't seem to understand christofacism out in the open (as opposed to a crypto-platform).  JD Vance wasn't winning shit without being attached to Trump.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[aggie08 20,975]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, the GOP has had to kowtow to Trump to win elections.  One way or another, Trump is not going to stand for an election again.

How much does the GOP continue to kowtow to him?

After yesterday? As much as he damn well pleases, whenever he damn well pleases. Ain't no one with the balls or political capital to stand up to him.

[Hank Kingsley 20,418]

With the understanding and concern for all marginalized people in the country, the only "positive" I see with this result is that it was clear and indisputable. 

The government and media are not going to unite this country. We're gonna have to do it all by ourselves, one conversation at a time. And grace will be needed. 

 

[dieucla98 2,886]

Is Vance a safer option for the country? As in, should I be rooting for McDs to win? 

This is what it's come to.

[Chuckie Finster 22,525]

So, the GOP has had to kowtow to Trump to win elections.  One way or another, Trump is not going to stand for an election again.
He's also going to go out sooner rather than later and I think we agree his unique brand of populism is irreplaceable.
How much does the GOP continue to kowtow to him?

It’s the party of JD Vance now. He’s cleaned up a lot of the awkwardness that plagued him at first. He’ll step in and carry the torch without missing a beat.

[Incredulity 11,281]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

And grace will be needed. 

 

Zero point zero chance this happens 

[Goofyboy 3,050]

I give Trump 3-6 months before they have him removed.

[softlynow 1,699]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, the GOP has had to kowtow to Trump to win elections.  One way or another, Trump is not going to stand for an election again.

He's also going to go out sooner rather than later and I think we agree his unique brand of populism is irreplaceable.

How much does the GOP continue to kowtow to him?

What world are you living in? You keep acting like rules and norms mean something anymore. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,353]

Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

It’s the party of JD Vance now. He’s cleaned up a lot of the awkwardness that plagued him at first. He’ll step in and carry the torch without missing a beat.

It’s really a handful of tech billionaires that want to play god with all their money.  Vance and Trump are just stooges, the next guy will be too.  It’s the Christian nationalists that worry me because the only thing at the end of their road is a bunch of dead people. It’s like one of the biggest cautionary tales in history. 

[aggie08 20,975]

3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

I give Trump 3-6 months before they have him removed.

How and why?

[Hank Kingsley 20,418]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Zero point zero chance this happens 

Ok.

Also I think it's important for Trump supporters to see how this plays out today and coming days. 

- Kamala will concede

- Outside of the fringe, no one is going to say the election is rigged

- You will see a lot of sadness, not violence. 

I hope they absorb this and reflect, however unlikely. 

[Bateshorn 9,851]

I know I’m stating the obvious: this is who America is. We were always a fundamentally center right country, and we are moving further right.  This isn’t a bunch of dumb people who got tricked into a second Trump term. The country does not agree with the Democratic Party. 
 

He won a landslide. This is about as close to the 1932 election in reverse as you are likely to get. The Democrats need to look at who they are.

Edited 16 hours ago by Bateshorn

[aggie08 20,975]

Just now, Bateshorn said:

The country fundamentally does not agree with the Democratic Party. 

Do you think we'd still be saying this if people viewed the economy as good? I don't know, maybe.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,043]

I'm going to try and look past my random music playlist starting with with "REM - It's the end of The World As We Know It" this morning...

[G650 13,552]

Just now, Bateshorn said:

I know I’m stating the obvious: this is who America is. We were always a fundamentally center right country, and we are moving further right.  This isn’t a bunch of dumb people who got tricked into a second Trump term.

 

While I agree with the first point wholeheartedly, the second is incorrect, at least partially. They weren't tricked.