Trump’s America

[G650 13,553]

8 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

You literally said it was uneducated young people 18 to whatever just dismissing it and making an excuse, there in lies the problem. It’s the looking down on common people that the democrats do, just look at the talk in this forum about that segment of people. That’s the vote that’s missing. I’m not making this up look at the numbers.  The common people do not connect to the Democratic Party these days at all.  

The Democrats are literally the only ones looking out for the common people, but whatever

[troph 24,337]

5 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

You literally said it was uneducated young people 18 to whatever just dismissing it and making an excuse, there in lies the problem. It’s the looking down on common people that the democrats do, just look at the talk in this forum about that segment of people. That’s the vote that’s missing. I’m not making this up look at the numbers.  The common people do not connect to the Democratic Party these days at all.  

it's a messaging problem then because on a factual basis, policy by policy, neither party has a lock on every issue, but the democrats have practical policies and platforms that help the most. the amount of voting against one's self-interest is staggering. I mean DJT said it in broad daylight, he's here for the billionaire class and the common people vote for him.

in the end it's tribalism and religion that I think is driving most of his votes. both of those are deeply ingrained in the human psyche and he has galvanized it better than just about anyone can.

[Dbeasy 14,878]

33 minutes ago, Balcones said:

This is fake news.

His attorney General, his Secretary of Defense, his Secretary of State, his Vice President,... the list is extensive and easily verified by a simple Google search.  Your statement is pathetic.

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

4 minutes ago, G650 said:

The Democrats are literally the only ones looking out for the common people, but whatever

Clearly.  That's why the cost of living is low and the wealth gap is so small in blue states.

[Balcones 456]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

His attorney General, his Secretary of Defense, his Secretary of State, his Vice President,... the list is extensive and easily verified by a simple Google search.  Your statement is pathetic.

The majority of America believes he is fit for office.  You are pathetic.  

 

[Hook1997 5,250]

7 minutes ago, G650 said:

The Democrats are literally the only ones looking out for the common people, but whatever

 

7 minutes ago, troph said:

it's a messaging problem then because on a factual basis, policy by policy, neither party has a lock on every issue, but the democrats have practical policies and platforms that help the most. the amount of voting against one's self-interest is staggering. I mean DJT said it in broad daylight, he's here for the billionaire class and the common people vote for him.

in the end it's tribalism and religion that I think is driving most of his votes. both of those are deeply ingrained in the human psyche and he has galvanized it better than just about anyone can.

While I understand what y’all are saying. The message doesn’t come across that way to most people these days.  It is viewed as the Democratic Party is looking down at lower income, uneducated people and a lot of that was started by Trump riling everyone up but they fed into it exactly like he wanted and the comments on national media and here portray that view of that segment of people.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Hook1997

[Davis Lane 5,519]

9 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

You literally said it was uneducated young people 18 to whatever just dismissing it and making an excuse, there in lies the problem. It’s the looking down on common people that the democrats do, just look at the talk in this forum about that segment of people. That’s the vote that’s missing. I’m not making this up look at the numbers.  The common people do not connect to the Democratic Party these days at all.  

Ok, you win.

Remember when Trump was a democrat?

Maybe that's where his looking down on people started and thus initiated his base of, according to multiple outlets, uneducated white males ages 18 - 29.

[David Dennison 18,168]

4 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Clearly.  That's why the cost of living is low and the wealth gap is so small in blue states.

It's not much better in the red states. 

See: Texas.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,043]

14 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

You literally said it was uneducated young people 18 to whatever just dismissing it and making an excuse, there in lies the problem. It’s the looking down on common people that the democrats do, just look at the talk in this forum about that segment of people. That’s the vote that’s missing. I’m not making this up look at the numbers.  The common people do not connect to the Democratic Party these days at all.  

Agreed, polling indicates that this was an economy driven win for Republicans:

Reuters Exit poll info:

bigger ones:

* 31% of voters nationwide said the economy mattered most in deciding how to vote in the presidential election. 11% said immigration, 14% abortion, 35% the state of democracy, 4% foreign policy.
* 45% of voters nationwide said their family's financial situation was worse off than it was four years ago, compared to 20% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 24% said they were better off than they were four years ago, compared to 41% in 2020. 30% said their financial situation was unchanged.

* Trump wins 42% of voters age 18-29 nationwide; Harris wins 55%. Trump's share is up six percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of Hispanic men voters nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up 18 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 37% of Hispanic women voters nationwide; Harris wins 61%. Trump's share is up seven percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 51% of voters age 45+ nationwide; Harris wins 47%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 53% of voters under age 45 nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

All:

Spoiler

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-nevada-exit-poll-us-presidential-election-2024-11-05/

Nov 6 (Reuters) - Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris in the U.S. presidential election, capping a remarkable comeback four years after he was voted out of the White House.
Following are preliminary results from an exit poll conducted by Edison Research. Results will be updated as additional poll responses are gathered.
* Harris wins 54% of women voters nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 55% of white voters nationwide; Harris wins 43%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 86% of Black voters nationwide; Trump wins 12%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 45% of Hispanic voters nationwide; Harris wins 53%. Trump's share is up 13 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 47% of white women voters nationwide; Trump wins 52%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 78% of Black men voters nationwide; Trump wins 20%. Trump's share is up one percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 92% of Black women voters nationwide; Trump wins 7%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of Hispanic men voters nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up 18 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 37% of Hispanic women voters nationwide; Harris wins 61%. Trump's share is up seven percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 42% of voters age 18-29 nationwide; Harris wins 55%. Trump's share is up six percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 50% of voters age 65+ nationwide; Trump wins 49%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 51% of voters age 45+ nationwide; Harris wins 47%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 53% of voters under age 45 nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of voters without a college degree nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up four percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 57% of voters with college degrees nationwide; Trump wins 41%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* 44% of voters nationwide said they had a favorable view of Trump, compared to 46% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 54% viewed him unfavorably, compared to 52% in 2020.
* 48% of voters nationwide said they had a favorable view of Harris, compared to 52% who said the same of Biden in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 51% viewed her unfavorably, compared to 46% who viewed Biden that way in 2020.
* 31% of voters nationwide said the economy mattered most in deciding how to vote in the presidential election. 11% said immigration, 14% abortion, 35% the state of democracy, 4% foreign policy.
* 45% of voters nationwide said their family's financial situation was worse off than it was four years ago, compared to 20% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 24% said they were better off than they were four years ago, compared to 41% in 2020. 30% said their financial situation was unchanged.
* 51% of voters nationwide said they trust Trump more to handle the economy. 47% said they trust Harris more.
* 39% of voters nationwide said most undocumented immigrants in the United States should be deported to the countries they came from. 56% said they should be offered a chance to apply for legal status.
* 50% of voters nationwide said they trust Harris more to handle the issue of abortion. 44% said they trust Trump more.
* 32% of voters nationwide said U.S. support for Israel is too strong. 30% said it's not strong enough and 31% said it's about right.
* 73% of voters nationwide said they think democracy in the U.S. is threatened. 25% said it is secure.
* 57% of voters nationwide said they didn't have a college degree, compared to 59% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 43% had a degree, compared to 41% in 2020.
* 53% of voters nationwide were women, compared to 52% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 47% were men, compared to 48% in 2020.
* 71% of voters nationwide were white, compared to 67% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 11% were Black, compared to 13% in 2020. 12% were Hispanic, compared to 13% in 2020.
* 34% of voters nationwide were white men, compared to 35% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 37% were white women, compared to 32% in 2020.
* 5% of voters nationwide were Black men, compared to 4% in 2020. 7% were Black women, compared to 8% in 2020.
* 6% of voters nationwide were Hispanic men, compared to 5% in 2020. 6% were Hispanic women, compared to 8% in 2020.
Exit polling reflects just a slice of the tens of million of people who have voted, both before and on Election Day, and the preliminary results are subject to change through the course of the night as more people are surveyed.
National exit-poll results provide an important window into the thinking of the nation, but may not directly align with the seven battleground states expected to decide the presidential election.
Exit polls capture variations among turnout in various demographic groups, such as men vs. women voters or college-educated vs. non-college-educated voters, and can provide insights into how turnout has changed from past elections.
One key advantage of exit polls is all the people surveyed, by definition, are people who cast ballots in this election.

 

[Frank Drebin 5,484]

2 minutes ago, Davis Lane said:

Ok, you win.

Remember when Trump was a democrat?

Maybe that's where his looking down on people started and thus initiated his base of, according to multiple outlets, uneducated white males ages 18 - 29.

The shifts of Latinx and black males won this for Trump.  Along with white married women going back to their roots of voting GOP.  Single unmarried women -- the Reddit demographic -- will never vote GOP.  Too much angst, mental illness, and anger in that group.  

[Helobious 9,454]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

The shifts of Latinx and black males won this for Trump.  Along with white married women going back to their roots of voting GOP.  Single unmarried women -- the Reddit demographic -- will never vote GOP.  Too much angst, mental illness, and anger in that group.  

Reddit is overwhelmingly male.

[David Dennison 18,168]

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

The shifts of Latinx and black males won this for Trump.  Along with white married women going back to their roots of voting GOP.  Single unmarried women -- the Reddit demographic -- will never vote GOP.  Too much angst, mental illness, and anger in that group.  

The black vote didn't change, even if black men shifted.

If those numbers are accurate, Hispanic voters won this election for Trump.

 

[Zonahorn 8,055]

3 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Agreed, polling indicates that this was an economy driven win for Republicans:

Reuters Exit poll info:

bigger ones:

* 31% of voters nationwide said the economy mattered most in deciding how to vote in the presidential election. 11% said immigration, 14% abortion, 35% the state of democracy, 4% foreign policy.
* 45% of voters nationwide said their family's financial situation was worse off than it was four years ago, compared to 20% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 24% said they were better off than they were four years ago, compared to 41% in 2020. 30% said their financial situation was unchanged.

* Trump wins 42% of voters age 18-29 nationwide; Harris wins 55%. Trump's share is up six percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of Hispanic men voters nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up 18 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 37% of Hispanic women voters nationwide; Harris wins 61%. Trump's share is up seven percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 51% of voters age 45+ nationwide; Harris wins 47%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 53% of voters under age 45 nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

All:

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-nevada-exit-poll-us-presidential-election-2024-11-05/

Nov 6 (Reuters) - Republican Donald Trump defeated Democrat Kamala Harris in the U.S. presidential election, capping a remarkable comeback four years after he was voted out of the White House.
Following are preliminary results from an exit poll conducted by Edison Research. Results will be updated as additional poll responses are gathered.
* Harris wins 54% of women voters nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 55% of white voters nationwide; Harris wins 43%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 86% of Black voters nationwide; Trump wins 12%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 45% of Hispanic voters nationwide; Harris wins 53%. Trump's share is up 13 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 47% of white women voters nationwide; Trump wins 52%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 78% of Black men voters nationwide; Trump wins 20%. Trump's share is up one percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 92% of Black women voters nationwide; Trump wins 7%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of Hispanic men voters nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up 18 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 37% of Hispanic women voters nationwide; Harris wins 61%. Trump's share is up seven percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 42% of voters age 18-29 nationwide; Harris wins 55%. Trump's share is up six percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 50% of voters age 65+ nationwide; Trump wins 49%. Trump's share is down three percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 51% of voters age 45+ nationwide; Harris wins 47%. Trump's share is unchanged from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 53% of voters under age 45 nationwide; Trump wins 44%. Trump's share is up two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 54% of voters without a college degree nationwide; Harris wins 44%. Trump's share is up four percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 57% of voters with college degrees nationwide; Trump wins 41%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* 44% of voters nationwide said they had a favorable view of Trump, compared to 46% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 54% viewed him unfavorably, compared to 52% in 2020.
* 48% of voters nationwide said they had a favorable view of Harris, compared to 52% who said the same of Biden in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 51% viewed her unfavorably, compared to 46% who viewed Biden that way in 2020.
* 31% of voters nationwide said the economy mattered most in deciding how to vote in the presidential election. 11% said immigration, 14% abortion, 35% the state of democracy, 4% foreign policy.
* 45% of voters nationwide said their family's financial situation was worse off than it was four years ago, compared to 20% who said so in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 24% said they were better off than they were four years ago, compared to 41% in 2020. 30% said their financial situation was unchanged.
* 51% of voters nationwide said they trust Trump more to handle the economy. 47% said they trust Harris more.
* 39% of voters nationwide said most undocumented immigrants in the United States should be deported to the countries they came from. 56% said they should be offered a chance to apply for legal status.
* 50% of voters nationwide said they trust Harris more to handle the issue of abortion. 44% said they trust Trump more.
* 32% of voters nationwide said U.S. support for Israel is too strong. 30% said it's not strong enough and 31% said it's about right.
* 73% of voters nationwide said they think democracy in the U.S. is threatened. 25% said it is secure.
* 57% of voters nationwide said they didn't have a college degree, compared to 59% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 43% had a degree, compared to 41% in 2020.
* 53% of voters nationwide were women, compared to 52% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 47% were men, compared to 48% in 2020.
* 71% of voters nationwide were white, compared to 67% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 11% were Black, compared to 13% in 2020. 12% were Hispanic, compared to 13% in 2020.
* 34% of voters nationwide were white men, compared to 35% in Edison Research's 2020 exit poll. 37% were white women, compared to 32% in 2020.
* 5% of voters nationwide were Black men, compared to 4% in 2020. 7% were Black women, compared to 8% in 2020.
* 6% of voters nationwide were Hispanic men, compared to 5% in 2020. 6% were Hispanic women, compared to 8% in 2020.
Exit polling reflects just a slice of the tens of million of people who have voted, both before and on Election Day, and the preliminary results are subject to change through the course of the night as more people are surveyed.
National exit-poll results provide an important window into the thinking of the nation, but may not directly align with the seven battleground states expected to decide the presidential election.
Exit polls capture variations among turnout in various demographic groups, such as men vs. women voters or college-educated vs. non-college-educated voters, and can provide insights into how turnout has changed from past elections.
One key advantage of exit polls is all the people surveyed, by definition, are people who cast ballots in this election.

 

The Hispanic men and women who helped Trump win the presidency are going to get deported, amazing.

[MissingInAction 24,650]

10 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Clearly.  That's why the cost of living is low and the wealth gap is so small in blue states.

What do paint chips taste like?

[956 Worldwide 34,142]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The black vote didn't change, even if black men shifted.

If those numbers are accurate, Hispanic voters won this election for Trump.

 

There is a theory, which I subscribe to, that American Hispanics are for the most part going to get absorbed into “White” in a similar way that all the White ethnics did.  It takes time and honestly only continual immigration has meant it isn’t noticed. But it’s happening. 

[Balcones 456]

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

What do paint chips taste like?

Have you ever enjoyed liberal tears?  It takes a lot like that.

[bad_teammate 13,045]

8 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

While I understand what y’all are saying. The message doesn’t come across that way to most people these days.  It is viewed as the Democratic Party is looking down at lower income, uneducated people and a lot of that was started by Trump riling everyone up but they fed into it exactly like he wanted and the comments on national media and here portray that view of that segment of people.  

What is underlined is actually the complete and total truth. What is in bold is bullshit.

Trump's horseshit resonates because the underlying truth, "the liberal/DC elites think you're trash", is true. Look at how far beneath us (we Internet liberals) we consider basically this entire country. Look at our patronizing ideology and our refusal to LISTEN to what this nation is telling us over and over and over and over again. Look at our dogged determination to write it all as a story about our Noble Open-Minded Beliefs vs their craven hatred and bigotry and ignore a $7.75 minimum wage, unattainable housing, and unaffordable healthcare.

Maybe Trump didn't win because America is ready to don one giant Klan hood and lynch every minority. Maybe Trump won because his competition has nothing to offer America.

[hpslugga 4,019]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

Have you ever enjoyed liberal tears?  It takes a lot like that.

14 minutes ago, Balcones said:

The majority of America believes he is fit for office. 

You think you’re making good points

[Balcones 456]

1 minute ago, hpslugga said:

You think you’re making good points

I assume you aren't partaking in sipping the tears?

[Chad Fuck 17,406]

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There is a theory, which I subscribe to, that American Hispanics are for the most part going to get absorbed into “White” in a similar way that all the White ethnics did.  It takes time and honestly only continual immigration has meant it isn’t noticed. But it’s happening. 

I've noticed this for a long time.  Certainly whether they check "hispanic" on a form somewhere, those whose families have been here a while have essentially assimilated into the larger population and reflect that same variety of ideas.  It's what those of us who live with hispanic/latin communities have been saying forever.  It isn't a monolithic culture with monolithic thoughts.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2,765]

Everyone have a good day.  Been spending lots of time walking the younger daughter off the ledge, trying to convince her today is not a good day to stop being friends with everyone who you suspect might have voted for Trump.  Especially her brother in law. 

She just let us know she signed up for some volunteer opportunities at the local Planned Parenthood.  Not a bad way to do some constructive cooling off.

[David Dennison 18,168]

4 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Have you ever enjoyed liberal tears?  It takes a lot like that.

I've enjoyed conservative tears, as recently as 2020.

I'm looking forward to enjoying them again. Given Donald Trump's track record as president, I'm guessing it won't be all that long of a wait.

[Brisketexan 104,056]

I really don't want to participate in this thread - or any others - very much.  BUT, I do think it's important to do something before he takes power: create a scorecard.  And I invite Trump supporters to contribute to this scorecard.  It is a list of things that Trump says he will do, or will not do.

For example:

Will not do:

1) Implement Project 2025 plans, because "he's never heard of it."

Will do:

1) Mass deportation, on day one, of all people here illegally, and many here legally.

2) Bring prices down on everything.

3) "End the war in Ukraine in 24 hours."

4) Protect women.

5) Leave abortion to the states.

 

There's plenty more.  Just stuff he actually said he will/won't do.  Then, let's keep score, shall we?  Building the scorecard today eliminates any fudging or revisionism later.  Those of you who voted for him, I presume that you expect him to follow through on his promises, right?  So this not only shouldn't bother you, it should excite you.  Finally, a leader who will follow through on his promises, no more bullshit.  

So, add to this, then we'll make a master list and maybe sticky it somewhere.  To watch over the next four years.

 

 

[HornPhD 1,354]

4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

In 2016, I was shocked that he won but instantly became more plugged into politics and there was an underlying desire to fight against Trump and his policies.

I get that it’s still fresh, but this time I just kind of want to unplug and get away. What’s the point?

I feel the same. Last night, I deleted my facebook and twitter accounts. Glad that I live in CA and am mostly shielded from the shit about to happen. 

[Ghost of LL 15,321]

2 hours ago, hpslugga said:

“Cuz we can’t fuckin listen, and we can’t pay attention to history, and we only half-assed fuckin pay attention and listen”

-Mike Leach

Mike Leach is so fucking lucky that he got to die before this shitshow came to pass.

[G650 13,553]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What is underlined is actually the complete and total truth. What is in bold is bullshit.

Trump's horseshit resonates because the underlying truth, "the liberal/DC elites think you're trash", is true. Look at how far beneath us (we Internet liberals) we consider basically this entire country. Look at our patronizing ideology and our refusal to LISTEN to what this nation is telling us over and over and over and over again. Look at our dogged determination to write it all as a story about our Noble Open-Minded Beliefs vs their craven hatred and bigotry and ignore a $7.75 minimum wage, unattainable housing, and unaffordable healthcare.

Maybe Trump didn't win because America is ready to don one giant Klan hood and lynch every minority. Maybe Trump won because his competition has nothing to offer America.

Joe Biden is literally the only president of my lifetime to see the working class gain.

[HornPhD 1,354]

12 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

The Hispanic men and women who helped Trump win the presidency are going to get deported, amazing.

That will be fun to watch 

[hpslugga 4,019]

5 minutes ago, Balcones said:

I assume you aren't partaking in sipping the tears?

Nor are you. 

Edited 16 hours ago by hpslugga

[wildcat09 28,955]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

What is underlined is actually the complete and total truth. What is in bold is bullshit.

Trump's horseshit resonates because the underlying truth, "the liberal/DC elites think you're trash", is true. Look at how far beneath us (we Internet liberals) we consider basically this entire country. Look at our patronizing ideology and our refusal to LISTEN to what this nation is telling us over and over and over and over again. Look at our dogged determination to write it all as a story about our Noble Open-Minded Beliefs vs their craven hatred and bigotry and ignore a $7.75 minimum wage, unattainable housing, and unaffordable healthcare.

Maybe Trump didn't win because America is ready to don one giant Klan hood and lynch every minority. Maybe Trump won because his competition has nothing to offer America.

Biden offered progressive economic policies that have actually borne fruit and Harris was promising to continue them and expand upon them. Nobody gave a shit.  

[RomaVicta 29,635]

"Common people" is a euphemism for the Trump voter. They're no more common than the 70 million who vote Dem.

The demographic in question here isn't unhappy because the Dems don't "get" them. They're unhappy with the Dems because they are not the only group being catered to. Ironically, these young un-college educated white males feel entitled to more than their share. 

Hate radio nurtured this into resentment of ebil libs who want to do fancy things like protect the environment, tolerate those whom are different, and not recognize what we all know about the superiority of the white race. These insecure fuckwads have to believe in some terrible threat hiding in the people they insist are pussies and snowflakes. Thus: guns out the ass. Thus: easy appeals to racsism because your nigras are driving around in white neighborhoods and demanding not to be shot for speeding.

These very specific "common" people do not connect to the Democratic Party for good reason. They're intolerant dickheads without a clue.

[Davis Lane 5,519]

15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The black vote didn't change, even if black men shifted.

If those numbers are accurate, Hispanic voters won this election for Trump.

 

Bingo.

[DigglerontheHoof 20,818]

3 minutes ago, HornPhD said:

That will be fun to watch 

I'm really starting to warm up to the idea. 

[Zonahorn 8,055]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'm really starting to warm up to the idea. 

A problem that will solve itself

[MissingInAction 24,650]

13 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Have you ever enjoyed liberal tears?  It takes a lot like that.

Woohoo! Another idiot arises!

 

[hpslugga 4,019]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

Joe Biden is literally the only president of my lifetime to see the working class gain.

They’ve made slight gains and I think the problem is that the working class collectively believes it’s not coming fast enough. Look, there’s a lot of truth to the statement that there’s barely any difference between the R’s and the D’s. I’ve been saying that for 17 years. But two things:

1. There are small differences and small differences have a way of translating into large outcomes for the exact people you’re talking about.

2. The rare few times those small differences have shown up to the benefit of the working class has certainly been when the Democrats were the policymakers.

[Balcones 456]

3 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Nor are you. 

You are correct.  Im not sipping them, I am chugging!

 

[troph 24,337]

26 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

 

While I understand what y’all are saying. The message doesn’t come across that way to most people these days.  It is viewed as the Democratic Party is looking down at lower income, uneducated people and a lot of that was started by Trump riling everyone up but they fed into it exactly like he wanted and the comments on national media and here portray that view of that segment of people.  

I said at the beginning it's a messaging problem. republicans are literally anti union without apology and yet union members vote for Trump. it's nuts. Trump says mass deportations and owners of trade businesses employ illegal immigrants because they are the only ones willing to do the work, and yet those business owners vote for Trump. Trump literally says Israel should be able to do whatever it wants and muslim voters in Dearborn vote for Trump. The list can go on. It's just nuts.

[wildcat09 28,955]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

"Common people" is a euphemism for the Trump voter. They're no more common than the 70 million who vote Dem.

The demographic in question here isn't unhappy because the Dems don't "get" them. They're unhappy with the Dems because they are not the only group being catered to. Ironically, these young un-college educated white males feel entitled to more than their share. 

Hate radio nurtured this into resentment of ebil libs who want to do fancy things like protect the environment, tolerate those whom are different, and not recognize what we all know about the superiority of the white race. These insecure fuckwads have to believe in some terrible threat hiding in the people they insist are pussies and snowflakes. Thus: guns out the ass. Thus: easy appeals to racsism because your nigras are driving around in white neighborhoods and demanding not to be shot for speeding.

These very specific "common" people do not connect to the Democratic Party for good reason. They're intolerant dickheads without a clue.

Esto. It's not that we look down on them. It's that we don't baby them.  We couldn't possibly look down on them more than Trump does, but he also flatters them with the idea that they're the only people who society should value. 

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Just now, Balcones said:

You are correct.  Im not sipping them, I am chugging!

 

Chugging... Oh yea chug it .

Is that what your customers say at the truck stops?

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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I really don't want to participate in this thread - or any others - very much.  BUT, I do think it's important to do something before he takes power: create a scorecard.  And I invite Trump supporters to contribute to this scorecard.  It is a list of things that Trump says he will do, or will not do.

For example:

Will not do:

1) Implement Project 2025 plans, because "he's never heard of it."

Will do:

1) Mass deportation, on day one, of all people here illegally, and many here legally.

2) Bring prices down on everything.

3) "End the war in Ukraine in 24 hours."

4) Protect women.

5) Leave abortion to the states.

 

There's plenty more.  Just stuff he actually said he will/won't do.  Then, let's keep score, shall we?  Building the scorecard today eliminates any fudging or revisionism later.  Those of you who voted for him, I presume that you expect him to follow through on his promises, right?  So this not only shouldn't bother you, it should excite you.  Finally, a leader who will follow through on his promises, no more bullshit.  

So, add to this, then we'll make a master list and maybe sticky it somewhere.  To watch over the next four years.

 

 

I'm sure the world will be shocked when he's found to be lying. Again.

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Just now, Balcones said:

You are correct.  Im not sipping them, I am chugging!

 

You’re not doing that either.

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7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Biden offered progressive economic policies that have actually borne fruit and Harris was promising to continue them and expand upon them. Nobody gave a shit.  

It's not me the Democrats are trying to convince. They've got me. If what you're saying is true and the Democrats actually do care about working America and actually do help them, why, with all their billions and experts, are they so bad at convincing them?

Is there an answer that doesn't involve us inflating our own sense of self and superiority?

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2 minutes ago, troph said:

I said at the beginning it's a messaging problem. republicans are literally anti union without apology and yet union members vote for Trump. it's nuts. Trump says mass deportations and owners of trade businesses employ illegal immigrants because they are the only ones willing to do the work, and yet those business owners vote for Trump. Trump literally says Israel should be able to do whatever it wants and muslim voters in Dearborn vote for Trump. The list can go on. It's just nuts.

I think I answered my own question, it has to be the online echo chamber. I don't know what they are getting in their feeds, I honestly don't know but it has to be that, nothing else makes any sense. Republicans here think this board is an echo chamber, well views are predominately pro-democrats that's true but the variety of news sources on this board make it decidedly not an echo chamber of news and supposed facts. the online stream that some have, however, is an echo chamber of news and supposed facts. I think that is the fundamental problem. It has to be, there is no other logical explanation.

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I hope some of the predictions on this thread are as accurate as those on the football board.

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Just now, ClubWhatever said:

I hope some of the predictions on this thread are as accurate as those on the football board.

The cloak room is awesome at predictions.  Like 13-0 BrandingIron good.

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1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

It's not me the Democrats are trying to convince. They've got me. If what you're saying is true and the Democrats actually do care about working America and actually do help them, why, with all their billions and experts, are they so bad at convincing them?

Is there an answer that doesn't involve us inflating our own sense of self and superiority?

The answer to that question is a combination of oligarch propaganda that favors Republicans (both MSM and social media), shitty Dem messaging (they need to hire some fucking marketing majors and not just policy dorks), and yes, lots of stupid voters.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

The list can go on. It's just nuts.

My personal favorite is the whole "repeal obamacare" thing. The main reason that plans on the public market ended up being so expensive is because of all the capitulations that Obama's team had to make to the R's to get the thing passed, most notably the lack of a public option "because socialism." By not being willing to share the risk amongst all US citizens, R's ensured that those who needed coverage the most would be doomed to continue to pay rates set by the insurers, who are fucking FOR PROFIT companies. 

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10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Biden offered progressive economic policies that have actually borne fruit and Harris was promising to continue them and expand upon them. Nobody gave a shit.  

 

Oh the middle class gave a shit, and was vehemently against the working class succeeding.

 

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

They’ve made slight gains and I think the problem is that the working class collectively believes it’s not coming fast enough. Look, there’s a lot of truth to the statement that there’s barely any difference between the R’s and the D’s. I’ve been saying that for 17 years. But two things:

1. There are small differences and small differences have a way of translating into large outcomes for the exact people you’re talking about.

2. The rare few times those small differences have shown up to the benefit of the working class has certainly been when the Democrats were the policymakers.

 

I don't disagree obviously, but as to the first sentence, I mean, after 40 years of no gains at all, seeing some light at the end of the tunnel has to be better than the darkness that Turnip is offering.

 

Just go look how the votes breakdown by income.

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My oldest sent me this text along with a few others: “It is that bad it shows every girl everywhere that she can’t be successful in the face of a rapist felon man.”

My only response is that they still vote for him. It’s crazy.

 

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2 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

My personal favorite is the whole "repeal obamacare" thing. The main reason that plans on the public market ended up being so expensive is because of all the capitulations that Obama's team had to make to the R's to get the thing passed, most notably the lack of a public option "because socialism." By not being willing to share the risk amongst all US citizens, R's ensured that those who needed coverage the most would be doomed to continue to pay rates set by the insurers, who are fucking FOR PROFIT companies. 

If I had a genie that gave me one policy wish, it would be single payer healthcare, no questions asked.