Trump’s America

[Brisketexan 105057]

33 minutes ago, immamac said:

Serious question, what if DJT does a good job? Are any of you going to be capable of not doomcasting every fucking thing he does and automatically making it something negative?

I will fall to my knees in gratitude.  Dead serious.  Shit, I heard a snippet of his remarks last night, and he mentioned that we need to heal.  If he makes ANY meaningful effort at trying to heal the toxic, destructive (and I believe fatal) division in this country, I will be incredibly grateful.

I will always think he is a horrible, broken, shitty human.  But someone like that can be capable of doing good things, whether accidentally or on purpose, I don't much care.  

And don't get me wrong, I have NO hope that he will do much of anything good, and even a few small things that may be good will be vastly outweighed by the pain and suffering he will cause.  But if he does X thing that's good, I'm more than happy to acknowledge it.  I'm sure there are some serial killers out there who are really nice neighbors and are considerate and don't park their car in the street to block their neighbor's driveway and such.  That's nice.  It doesn't make up for the fact that he's a serial killer, but at least he's a decent neighbor.

But knowing him and his character.....yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.

[wildcat09 29339]

19 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I am not glad Kamala lost. It's unforgivable what Bibi was willing to do to influence this election. But at a certain point I just want the killing to stop.

Not yet. First I want Bibi to die.

[Old Freak Nasty 821]

There's a small part of me that has hope, likely misguided, that he's now vindicated in his mind about the 2020 election with the size of this victory and potentially the popular vote.  And that his grievances of being a victim are satisfied.  Then the question becomes what does he want the most?

It's always most about money and power and now he has those two in ways even he could have never dreamed of since he's clearly of the mindset to using the office to enrich himself.  Then there was going to prison.  That problem is solved.  Then I think it becomes a personality consideration.  He likes to be both the victim and the villain.  But what if he's too tired to be the villain now and doesn't have a whole lot of standing to be the victim anymore.  Is he docile and just plays golf and counts his money all day?  He doesn't care about legislation.  Will he rebuff the Millers of the world, telling him there's no reason to make people mad since he's got everything he's ever wanted?

I don't really believe anything I've just wrote honestly.  But maybe he's too lazy to govern or take any slight bit of backlash anymore.  He's transactional.  Who's to say he won't tell the Project 2025 guy or Musk to go fuck off.  After all, it's more powerful to his ego to tell guys like that to fuck off than deport people or whatever else.

But even if that reality comes to pass, it will birth a number of American super-oligarchs by blind eye so it wouldn't be all good.

Occam's razor suggests he's going to find something to be the victim of and then again after that.  It'll probably be on day 1 at his inauguration size.

If he's a good or non-destructive president, then great.  I'll take it.

[nbmishoid 949]

46 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Outside of the liberal echo chamber, people don't seem too concerned about the horrors he may or may not unleash. If Democrats and pundits hoped to convince America that Trump poses an existential threat to either democracy or individuals, they failed spectacularly.

 

It will take more than a few hours to unfold, you spectacular moral failure

[bad_teammate 13185]

49 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Outside of the liberal echo chamber, people don't seem too concerned about the horrors he may or may not unleash. If Democrats and pundits hoped to convince America that Trump poses an existential threat to either democracy or individuals, they failed spectacularly.

It's an especially difficult thing to envision since we already had Trump as president and democracy did not, in fact, die. Or even mildly suffer.

Maybe, when Trump finally dies, the Democrats can be issues-focused?

Dare to dream.

[Gandalfish 346]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's an especially difficult thing to envision since we already had Trump as president and democracy did not, in fact, die. Or even mildly suffer.

Maybe, when Trump finally dies, the Democrats can be issues-focused?

Dare to dream.

Extremely small dick energy.

[B00M 6413]

27 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

If in fact that all Bibi was aiming for by killing all those civilians was to get Trump elected and now he will stop now that Trump has won well...good for all those people who would have died if Kamala won I guess.

 

I don’t read it as “he will stop now” … unless I’m missing something, Trump just wants bibi to wrap up the genociding by January 20. If anything, I’d expect an increase in violence so Israel can have a “stable” situation sorted by late January. Then in exchange for israel getting to freely genocide without the threat of the US cutting military aid (the path Biden was finally on as he attempted to thread his political needle), Trump gets to pretend to be a tough guy and “make” israel and Hamas agree to a cease fire. I don’t think it actually amounts to fewer dead people. Hopefully I’m wrong!

[wildcat09 29339]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's an especially difficult thing to envision since we already had Trump as president and democracy did not, in fact, die. Or even mildly suffer.

Maybe, when Trump finally dies, the Democrats can be issues-focused?

Dare to dream.

You're really living up to your name today. Democracy suffered a shitload under his first term and you know it did. 

ETA: you really shouldn't be gloating today, given that we've pretty conclusively disproven the progressive left's theory of electoral politics. Biden prioritized wages and employment over inflation and enacted the largest domestic spending package in decades, which prioritized projects and a lot of blue collar jobs in rural areas. And it was a complete fucking failure in terms of gaining electoral support from workers.  Congratulations, you're gloating that everyone has just learned that neoliberal economics is the only electorally viable option. 

Edited November 6 by wildcat09

[chainsaw 9856]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Outside of the liberal echo chamber, people don't seem too concerned about the horrors he may or may not unleash. If Democrats and pundits hoped to convince America that Trump poses an existential threat to either democracy or individuals, they failed spectacularly.

 

90% of Americans aren't paying attention because they're too exhausted trying to eke out a living or they're too distracted by stupid bullshit. Either way, we're in Idiocracy.

Edited November 6 by chainsaw

[linux 1660]

Trump is term limited, in normal times it would be a relief, in real time it means he has a ticking clock to end democracy, he deeply regrets leaving last time.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

4 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

The 2030 census is going to send the democrats to the moon. They are going to lose their minds when California and New York lose as many as 6 Electoral College votes while Florida and Texas pick them up.

LOL. Hurricanes and home insurance will make whole parts of Texas and Florida uninhabitable. Also, I think a number of women will be leaving both states.  I know you think it is overblown, but women dying due to lack of healthcare is real. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/03/health/texas-fetal-demise-propublica/index.html

 

[4th&Five 41506]

[Brisketexan 105057]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

LOL. Hurricanes and home insurance will make whole parts of Texas and Florida uninhabitable. Also, I think a number of women will be leaving both states.  I know you think it is overblown, but women dying due to lack of healthcare is real. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/03/health/texas-fetal-demise-propublica/index.html

 

My daughter is never coming back to Texas.  And likely never coming back to the United States, both for political and personal reasons.  She's a woman, and there are other things about her personal life that make her a target of Christian Nationalists.  My son isn't super keen on returning either.

You know, in case any of y'all were wondering whether it's personal.  My family had a pretty good run in the US.  Seems it will be coming to an end.

[Hank_Hill 18789]

16 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 

when Trump finally dies, 

Yea talk dirty to me

[chainsaw 9856]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

My daughter is never coming back to Texas.  And likely never coming back to the United States, both for political and personal reasons.  She's a woman, and there are other things about her personal life that make her a target of Christian Nationalists.  My son isn't super keen on returning either.

You know, in case any of y'all were wondering whether it's personal.  My family had a pretty good run in the US.  Seems it will be coming to an end.

Where would you recommend someone relocate to

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Don't forget this one:

It is so telling that you are offended by this. Which triggers you more?  Black Lives Matter or Women's Rights are Human Rights?

Edited November 6 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[TexArcher 37761]

[GenXer 2850]

8 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

They can’t see it.  They are blind. This place is just the other side of the coin of Texags political board.  It’s hilarious.  
 

No one is more hateful than leftists.  Miserable lost people with a lot of mental illness thrown in. 

Republicans have actively worked against my healthcare for three decades. Their policy made it impossible for me to buy health insurance on the free market. They actively campaigned against it.

Now we’re gonna have brainworms in charge of healthcare.

I’ve been a type 1 diabetic since I was 17.

I’m genuinely concerned about how these stupid fucksticks are gonna fuck with my healthcare. My concerns are not “mental illness”.

 

[Updawg 2266]

There will be a lot of brain drain from Texas and the US

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

23 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

democracy did not, in fact, die. Or even mildly suffer.

Millions were convinced  that the election was stolen in 2020.  Millions still don’t believe in the accuracy of our election systems. That is suffering, at least. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21175]

1 minute ago, GenXer said:

Republicans have actively worked against my healthcare for three decades. Their policy made it impossible for me to buy health insurance on the free market. They actively campaigned against it.

Now we’re gonna have brainworms in charge of healthcare.

I’ve been a type 1 diabetic since I was 17.

I’m genuinely concerned about how these stupid fucksticks are gonna fuck with my healthcare. My concerns are not “mental illness”.

 

He's rich.  Eat cake. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

3 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Illegal aliens should be deported.  We need to stop incentivizing rule breaking.

We also need a robust guest worker program that allows migrant workers to be vetted and to legally work here.  Many would be happy to work here seasonally and then return home if they could do so without hassle.  Like the old bracero program.

You mean like the one that George W Bush tried to get passed, but that the religious right watered down and then was defeated?  You mean like that Guest Worker program?

 

[aggie08 21481]

If there's one thing that we take away from all this, can it please be to never, ever care about political rally crowd size again? They're not the voters you're trying to attract. Normal people do not go to political rallies. The lunatics from your base following your every move go to political rallies.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

7 hours ago, scottsins said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/election-trump-rfk-jr-vaccines-fluoride

Let’s not read an article when you can hear what he has to say (don’t know if posting links to X is allowed?, if not, sorry):

 

Edited November 6 by pearlandhorn

[Cousin Strawberry 1261]

52 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I will fall to my knees in gratitude.  Dead serious.  Shit, I heard a snippet of his remarks last night, and he mentioned that we need to heal.  If he makes ANY meaningful effort at trying to heal the toxic, destructive (and I believe fatal) division in this country, I will be incredibly grateful.

I will always think he is a horrible, broken, shitty human.  But someone like that can be capable of doing good things, whether accidentally or on purpose, I don't much care.  

And don't get me wrong, I have NO hope that he will do much of anything good, and even a few small things that may be good will be vastly outweighed by the pain and suffering he will cause.  But if he does X thing that's good, I'm more than happy to acknowledge it.  I'm sure there are some serial killers out there who are really nice neighbors and are considerate and don't park their car in the street to block their neighbor's driveway and such.  That's nice.  It doesn't make up for the fact that he's a serial killer, but at least he's a decent neighbor.

But knowing him and his character.....yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.

Tim McVeigh's  friend testified at his trial that "other than the bombing, Tim was a good guy."

[Balcones 317]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

My daughter is never coming back to Texas.  She's a woman.

Thank you for clarifying this. You cant be too certain these days.

 

 

[capnamerca 571]

I couldn't chime in earlier, but I'm so fucking sick of the whole "well, if the democrats were just nicer and didn't talk down to people, blah blah." Total bullshit coming from the party of people that willingly voted for a guy who made fun of a handicapped journalist live on national television. This right here, all the way back in 2015, should have been the fucking end of it.

 

The GOP has spent the better part of a decade dehumanizing anyone who doesn't toe the line. Crooked Hillary, Let's Go Brandon, Lyin' Kamala ... these came not from local activist agitators but direct from the mouth (er, fingertips) of the guy you just put in office. 

 

So kindly fuck off with your "democrats are the mean ones." Even if we cowtowed ALL THE WAY OVER and put the backs of our heads on the pavement, you assholes would find something else to fight about. Because you aren't negotiating in good faith basically ever. Every accusation is an admission; the soul of the GOP can't comprehend legitmate compromise, empathy, a desire to actually help folks who might disagree with them, and so they just assume everyone else feels the same way. He's not going to reach across the aisle because he doesn't know how, and he doesn't care to learn. HIs goal isn't compromise, his goal isn't noble, his goal isn't helping those less fortunate. I don't particularly know what his goal IS, other than chaos and personal enrichment, but along the way he's putting people in positions of power with very clear goals that will serve to hurt people. 

Fuck you and your both-sides bullshit. It's never in good faith, and it never has been.

[Balcones 317]

2 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

I couldn't chime in earlier, but I'm so fucking sick of the whole "well, if the democrats were just nicer and didn't talk down to people, blah blah." Total bullshit coming from the party of people that willingly voted for a guy who made fun of a handicapped journalist live on national television. This right here, all the way back in 2015, should have been the fucking end of it.

 

The GOP has spent the better part of a decade dehumanizing anyone who doesn't toe the line. Crooked Hillary, Let's Go Brandon, Lyin' Kamala ... these came not from local activist agitators but direct from the mouth (er, fingertips) of the guy you just put in office. 

 

So kindly fuck off with your "democrats are the mean ones." Even if we cowtowed ALL THE WAY OVER and put the backs of our heads on the pavement, you assholes would find something else to fight about. Because you aren't negotiating in good faith basically ever. Every accusation is an admission; the soul of the GOP can't comprehend legitmate compromise, empathy, a desire to actually help folks who might disagree with them, and so they just assume everyone else feels the same way. He's not going to reach across the aisle because he doesn't know how, and he doesn't care to learn. HIs goal isn't compromise, his goal isn't noble, his goal isn't helping those less fortunate. I don't particularly know what his goal IS, other than chaos and personal enrichment, but along the way he's putting people in positions of power with very clear goals that will serve to hurt people. 

Fuck you and your both-sides bullshit. It's never in good faith, and it never has been.

What do y'all call Gov. Abbott again?

[chainsaw 9856]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

What do y'all call Gov. Abbott again?

Way to completely miss the point, which is: You don't get to clutch pearls.

[capnamerca 571]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

What do y'all call Gov. Abbott again?

It's not about what I call him ... if you're drawing parallels,  I'm 100% CERTAIN that Colin Allred never called Abbot anything derogatory on the campaign trail, or encouraged his supporters to vote against the ADA.

[SimonBolivar 10957]

2 minutes ago, Balcones said:

What do y'all call Gov. Abbott again?

Good God, I hope nobody ever attempts to vote for someone from Surly. 

[ChiTownDoc 21139]

1 hour ago, Gandalfish said:

Trump literally says all the time that he doesn't accept election results as legitimate unless he wins them

That isn't democracy.

Maybe he won't be able to tear it all down, but he literally has stated on many occasions he wants to.

I hate Trump and he’s a POS but you definitely can’t take him at his word for what he says.  He’s a reactionary fool with malignant narcissistic personality disorder.  
He has zero interest in digging down and actually governing and to put a lot of these lunatic policies in place, he would definitely need to govern or have a competent team that will on his behalf.  
Well, one he doesn’t know many competent people and two, he rarely lets anyone do anything on his behalf.  
I said it last night, this sucks for those wanting civility and good, in politics, but it’s certainly not sending us careening towards the end of the republic.  

[Hagbard Celine 10848]

4 minutes ago, Balcones said:

What do y'all call Gov. Abbott again?

Texasgruppenführer

[Evil Bill Obrien 3257]

20 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

It is so telling that you are offended by this. Which triggers you more?  Black Lives Matter or Women's Rights are Human Rights?

I bet its the kindness part, saw countless "Fuck your Feelings" Trump/MAGA signs and flags over the last 8+ years

[Celery Man 20931]

3 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Good God, I hope nobody ever attempts to vote for someone from Surly. 

🦄

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19100]

2 hours ago, G650 said:

The fact people still use FB is mind bottling

Deactivated this morning.

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

lol npr reporting bibi looking at ending the war “as a gesture to trump”

 

you can’t make this shit up

 (Pancho, this fuck you is to Bibi)

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Serious question, what if DJT does a good job? Are any of you going to be capable of not doomcasting every fucking thing he does and automatically making it something negative? 

I am still hoping for less bad than before. Pre-covid he was finally shutting the fuck up and getting off of social media and things weren't perfect but they werent exactly headed towards disaster. He was especially bad on COVID, but tbh I think almost anyone would have been bad, just not as bad as him because he's an idiot. 

What Brisken says here.  Key is the last line...

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I will fall to my knees in gratitude.  Dead serious.  Shit, I heard a snippet of his remarks last night, and he mentioned that we need to heal.  If he makes ANY meaningful effort at trying to heal the toxic, destructive (and I believe fatal) division in this country, I will be incredibly grateful.

I will always think he is a horrible, broken, shitty human.  But someone like that can be capable of doing good things, whether accidentally or on purpose, I don't much care.  

And don't get me wrong, I have NO hope that he will do much of anything good, and even a few small things that may be good will be vastly outweighed by the pain and suffering he will cause.  But if he does X thing that's good, I'm more than happy to acknowledge it.  I'm sure there are some serial killers out there who are really nice neighbors and are considerate and don't park their car in the street to block their neighbor's driveway and such.  That's nice.  It doesn't make up for the fact that he's a serial killer, but at least he's a decent neighbor.

But knowing him and his character.....yeah, wish in one hand and shit in the other.

When he won in 2016, I gave him 100 days.  By the 110th day, I knew we were fucked. And this time there are zero adults or checks and balances to hold him in check. 

Edited November 6 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Hagbard Celine 10848]

stage 1 of the mass deportation will be violent criminals here illegally per one of his heads on cnn just now

does anyone know how many there are?

stage 2 they will figure out "in 2 weeks"

[capnamerca 571]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

but it’s certainly not sending us careening towards the end of the republic.  

It's not Trump. It's the people he's going to end up putting into positions of power that will careen us towards the end of the republic. Conservative judges by the hundreds if not thousands. Stated lunatics that want to abolish the NWS, FEMA, the Department of Education. Even scarier lunatics in his inner circle with publicly stated sympathies with white nationalists, etc. And christ, possibly two more SC judges.

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

stage 1 of the mass deportation will be violent criminals here illegally per one of his heads on cnn just now

does anyone know how many there are?

stage 2 they will figure out "in 2 weeks"

Stage2 comes right after infrastructure week.

[dcbc 14465]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

stage 1 of the mass deportation will be violent criminals here illegally per one of his heads on cnn just now

does anyone know how many there are?

stage 2 they will figure out "in 2 weeks"

But that's infrastructure week?

[GenXer 2850]

14 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

Let’s not read an article when you can hear what he has to say (don’t know if posting links to X is allowed?, if not, sorry):

 

Honest question: how does the annual flu vaccine fit into this? I get it every year in Sept/oct timeframe.

I assume that it won’t be an 8 year process to approve a yearly vaccine that’s designed to combat the handful of predominant strains in the given year.

[dcbc 14465]

1 minute ago, capnamerca said:

It's not Trump. It's the people he's going to end up putting into positions of power that will careen us towards the end of the republic. Conservative judges by the hundreds if not thousands. Stated lunatics that want to abolish the NWS, FEMA, the Department of Education. Even scarier lunatics in his inner circle with publicly stated sympathies with white nationalists, etc. And christ, possibly two more SC judges.

Stage2 comes right after infrastructure week.

Damn it!  Quick draw!

[956 Worldwide 34697]

Can I ask, what does it mean for DJT to do a “good” job.  Because if we define it as successfully doing most of the things he says he wants to do, I will be super unhappy.

On the other hand, he is sui generis as a candidate in that even his supporters often say he won’t ever do the things he talks about all the time.  So maybe that is what a “good” job looks like. 
 

All his supporters really want him to do is feed the hate machine and fertilize their grievances, and I think he will do a good job at that. 

Edited November 6 by 956 Worldwide

[Gandalfish 346]

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I hate Trump and he’s a POS but you definitely can’t take him at his word for what he says.  He’s a reactionary fool with malignant narcissistic personality disorder.  
He has zero interest in digging down and actually governing and to put a lot of these lunatic policies in place, he would definitely need to govern or have a competent team that will on his behalf.  
Well, one he doesn’t know many competent people and two, he rarely lets anyone do anything on his behalf.  
I said it last night, this sucks for those wanting civility and good, in politics, but it’s certainly not sending us careening towards the end of the republic.  

When you are the most powerful single human being on the planet, what you say actually does matter a whole hell of a lot.

Whether he means it or not, his words have consequences.

[Balcones 317]

12 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

 I'm 100% CERTAIN that Colin Allred never called Abbot anything derogatory on the campaign trail, or encouraged his supporters to vote against the ADA.

Colin Allred disparaged all transgender girls when he put an ad out that said,  “So let me be clear. I don’t want boys playing girls’ sports."  

You are only outraged with a R says stuff like that.

Allred’s ad has sparked outrage from LGBTQ+ activists. Erin Reed, an award-winning transgender journalist, posted on X (formerly Twitter), “Democratic candidate Colin Allred becomes the first Democratic candidate to capitulate to anti-trans ads and jump into targeting trans people as a result of anti-trans advertisements. Very shortsighted and a stinging betrayal for his potential future LGBTQ constituents.”

Ari Drennen, LGBTQ program director at Media Matters for America, was equally frustrated, sarcastically writing, “So glad that this is what he’s lighting all that money on fire for.” She added, “The trans folks I know (me included!) are very, very nervous that, given the pressure they are under, Dems will go the way of [Britain’s] Labour [Party] on trans rights. I do not think that will happen, but it feels like lots of campaign reporters are trying to manifest that outcome right now.”

Edited November 6 by Balcones
Adding the outrage

[GenXer 2850]

6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

stage 1 of the mass deportation will be violent criminals here illegally per one of his heads on cnn just now

does anyone know how many there are?

stage 2 they will figure out "in 2 weeks"

Concept of a plan

[pearlandhorn 3269]

1 minute ago, GenXer said:

Honest question: how does the annual flu vaccine fit into this? I get it every year in Sept/oct timeframe.

I assume that it won’t be an 8 year process to approve a yearly vaccine that’s designed to combat the handful of predominant strains in the given year.

Honest answer: your guess is as good as mine. I’m not a doctor but I believe the flu shot is dead flu strains that the CDC believes will be the predominant strains based on cases in Australia or southern hemisphere countries. These dead strains are added to the base vaccine and administered accordingly.

Again, no idea exactly. But we will find out soon enough and that’s exciting.

[Hagbard Celine 10848]

with a plurality across the board he doesn't have any institutional enemies to pivot against

 

[chainsaw 9856]

Without career servants, they won't know how to govern.

Imagine what Elon did to twitter, happening to all branches of the federal government.

[ChiTownDoc 21139]

4 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

It's not Trump. It's the people he's going to end up putting into positions of power that will careen us towards the end of the republic. Conservative judges by the hundreds if not thousands. Stated lunatics that want to abolish the NWS, FEMA, the Department of Education. Even scarier lunatics in his inner circle with publicly stated sympathies with white nationalists, etc. And christ, possibly two more SC judges.

Stage2 comes right after infrastructure week.

I think we agree on a lot of points.  Trump is just the symptom here.  Things will be mostly fine for the next 75 years imo then get bad, fast.  But the next 4-8 years won’t have us on the verge of a civil war.  
Also what country are these people that are so frustrated going to?  Honest question.  I travel frequently and I still don’t see a country where some dirt poor minority has even close to the same chance to become a damn billionaire or whatever the fuck else they please to become.  

[ChiTownDoc 21139]

3 minutes ago, Gandalfish said:

When you are the most powerful single human being on the planet, what you say actually does matter a whole hell of a lot.

Whether he means it or not, his words have consequences.

Sure they do.  Still doesn’t mean he will do whatever he says.  I stand by my point.  And see my post above.  Lmk where we going…