Trump’s America

[DigglerontheHoof 21,178]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

How nice and bigoted of you.

It's not bigotry when it's proven every minute of every day.  Now, continue to prove me right, fuckface. 

[David Dennison 18,850]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

No it fucking isn't you moron. The people he is hiring are racist true believers and are absolutely rabidly dedicated to deporting and/or simply murdering as many immigrants as they can.

Not if it crashes the economy. Money wins.

[Pancho 44,710]

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

Where did you run across this? It went out to all Clemson students? Just curious — my wife went there and I wanted more context before sharing with her.

 

No only certain students are getting the plantation text messages, not all. It’s also being reported the texts were sent to students in Tennessee and Ohio as well.

[aggie08 21,489]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Who the fuck is this dude? That is some Hall-of-Fame level white privilege to sit there and casually spell all that out while eating and being recorded with zero fear of getting your ass kicked or your life ruined by the video.

[wildcat09 29,346]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Not if it crashes the economy. Money wins.

Jesus fucking christ, oligarchs love it when the economy crashes. They've been trying to crash it themselves for the past 3 years! 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,178]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Who is this white piece of shit?

[David Dennison 18,850]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

Jesus fucking christ, oligarchs love it when the economy crashes. They've been trying to crash it themselves for the past 3 years! 

We'll see what happens. I don't buy it, but you could be right.

[Frank Drebin 5,659]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

fantastic post

i would add zero discussion about the woefully criminally uninformed electorate, specifically genZ

raised and educated with no knowledge of the 20th-century paradigm we take for granted as a baseline reality, addicted to their phones and brainwashed by social, the entire dem message sounded like charlie brown parents voice to them: unintelligible, incomprehensible, based on concepts and vocabulary entirely foreign to their understanding

then the flip side of that: genZ has zero ability to hear the dotard and his hate engine and process what they say - here in the post-truth future the drone class has emerged - and the christofascists will be impossible to stop until they age out - the boomers in the '30s and genX in the '40s

can't remember who wrote it yesterday - the only thing that will stop this vector is another great depression - otherwise we're looking at 2050 before the electorate regains enough intelligence to think, not just critically, but think, at all

the drones are here

You don't think the left gets misinformed by the media on topics?

You remember when Morning Joe talked about Biden's mental acuity?

Or liberals thinking Covid had something like a 30% mortality rate?

Or this after George Floyd:

 

We have a very misinformed electorate.  That shit ain't limited to the GOP.  How many idiot democrats on Tuesday had to Google whether Joe Biden was still on the ballot?

[wildcat09 29,346]

Just now, David Dennison said:

We'll see what happens. I don't buy it, but you could be right.

I know you weren't, but this is peak Trump voter shit right here.

[WinningIsHard 4,027]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

No only certain students are getting the plantation text messages, not all. It’s also being reported the texts were sent to students in Tennessee and Ohio as well.

Trolling. Awful for sure but that's just some hacker asshole trolling people. is this somehow being tied in with the election? this whole world has lost it's mind. 

[Mdhorn 5,947]

Once everything crashes jenga style, as it always does, a lot of non voters and idiots are going to be without a job and a house with high food and gas prices.  Not going to say I told you so, but you're welcome.  Reality will bite especially hard those that don't subscribe to it.  Good luck, and I mean it, because we already know what comes next.  

More than anything, I really hope we don't have another global epidemic.  Wait, I already mostly work from home.  Carry on then. 

Edited November 7 by Mdhorn

[Mdhorn 5,947]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Jesus fucking christ, oligarchs love it when the economy crashes. They've been trying to crash it themselves for the past 3 years! 

Free money for the too big to fail types.

[tx 3 putt 76,870]

4 hours ago, linux said:

Millei is a good example they are already turning on him a year later, he did the same song and dance, and people actually voted for it, they never voted for Musk creating austerity, I really really hope it happens we need accelerationism now, I literally woke up last night as an accelerationist because it is better than the establishment party at fighting back against fascim, you will be remembered as Andrew Johnson was Joe Biden, maybe even worse because it was immediate, going soft on fascism and wanting the establishment way was a losing strategy.

 

52.9 % poverty and growing

his assault on the lower middle class is impressive 

wealthy have remained untouched 

[WinningIsHard 4,027]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

We'll see what happens. I don't buy it, but you could be right.

I think it's lunacy too, Trump talks a lot of shit and it obviously works. He stirs people up, but he didn't do a sixteenth of the stuff he said he would do the first 4 years. There will be some positives, some negatives, and then I hope he goes away for good. 

[David Dennison 18,850]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I know you weren't, but this is peak Trump voter shit right here.

Thinking they won't engage in mass deportation is peak Trump voter shit?

Wat?

[Sawbonz 27,539]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

[C-Man 27,187]

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

No only certain students are getting the plantation text messages, not all. It’s also being reported the texts were sent to students in Tennessee and Ohio as well.

Confirmed on a neighborhood Dem FB board that a neighbor has three Clemson student kids -- two graduated and one is a current student -- and they confirmed that the messages are in fact going out to some Clemson students.

[wildcat09 29,346]

10 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

Free money for the too big to fail types.

And it allows them to swallow up competitors and competitors' assets on the cheap.

[wildcat09 29,346]

8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Thinking they won't engage in mass deportation is peak Trump voter shit?

Wat?

"Oh he says a lot of thing but he won't be that bad" is how half his voters justified their vote for him. 

[aggie08 21,489]

7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You don't think the left gets misinformed by the media on topics?

Oh, absolutely. It obviously happens on this forum often. Way too often with Twitter. Though, I'd argue the difference between misinformation and disinformation, but I don't want to right now.

But, as a whole, who do you think gets closer to the truth/facts of the matter? You'll deflect, but we both know it's not even a fair fight.

I'm not a "you have to go to college to be successful/smart" drum beater, but one thing that college does teach is when not to cite a shit source on your term paper. The right's base is more ill-equipped to siphon through the garbage and, as we've seen, often choose to cling to the lie when presented with new information.

 

[David Dennison 18,850]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

"Oh he says a lot of thing but he won't be that bad" is how half his voters justified their vote for him. 

I bet it's way more than half. A whole shit ton of Americans voted for him because they made it through his last term without their world falling apart. In their mind that happened after Biden took office and prices shot up.

[B00M 6,414]

31 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

well, every economist said it too.

Unless the MAGA guy does the analysis himself, he’ll never believe analysis he disagrees with. Also, he’s way too busy to do the analysis himself. He’s not too busy to argue with you about it using shit poster 1-liners. 

[TwiceHorn 31,438]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

What you should be concerned about the incoming administration actually fires 75,000 lifetime, professional civil servants who will be replaced by people who have to pass a loyalty test to Trump, as outlined in Project 2025.

Well what will be interesting there is that Heritage doesn't contemplate loyalty to Trump, rather loyalty to the "program."

I'm not sure that the two overlap all that much.

But, Trump is incompetent to vet or even direct vetting of those people.  So it depends on whether a John McEntee type does it, or someone more politically/governmentally sophisticated.

[wildcat09 29,346]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well what will be interesting there is that Heritage doesn't contemplate loyalty to Trump, rather loyalty to the "program."

I'm not sure that the two overlap all that much.

But, Trump is incompetent to vet or even direct vetting of those people.  So it depends on whether a John McEntee type does it, or someone more politically/governmentally sophisticated.

That vetting is done man, it's been happening for the last 3+ years. 

[B00M 6,414]

22 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Who is this white piece of shit?

Holy shit he even has the classic rich guy accent. This has gotta be fake, right? 

[Pancho 44,710]

24 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Who is this white piece of shit?

Well, he’s a noted white supremacist lol

[royiv 9,253]

51 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

One of my big concerns about Trump America is that there are a lot of people like Johnny Sack and HellesBier who have been somewhat subdued for the past few years, but putting an asshole back in office will give them a license to resume being openly hateful. This post is a prime example. What kind of a person talks like that?

JD Vance

[royiv 9,253]

22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

52.9 % poverty and growing

his assault on the lower middle class is impressive 

wealthy have remained untouched 

But Sack is so generous with the generational wealth that he did nothing to earn. Haven’t you heard about everything he does for the downtrodden? 

[GenXer 2,850]

19 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Confirmed on a neighborhood Dem FB board that a neighbor has three Clemson student kids -- two graduated and one is a current student -- and they confirmed that the messages are in fact going out to some Clemson students.

They’ve been given license once again to be the irredeemable pieces of shit they truly are

[4th&Five 41,513]

[LCHorn 2,615]

Well, kudos to whoever stole my Harris/Waltz sign that was still up as of yesterday evening, along with the rest of our neighbors' signs. 

Probably teen pranks but it does put a fitting capstone on the end of the Biden presidency and probably a fitting reminder of the courtesy to expect over the next four years. 

[aggie08 21,489]

Just now, LCHorn said:

Well, kudos to whoever stole my Harris/Waltz sign that was still up as of yesterday evening, along with the rest of our neighbors' signs. 

Probably teen pranks but it does put a fitting capstone on the end of the Biden presidency and probably a fitting reminder of the courtesy to expect over the next four years. 

What the fuck is the point of stealing the signs after the election? You'd think they'd want us to have to wear our defeat. But they're not too bright. Thanks for the free trash pickup, I guess.

[tx 3 putt 76,870]

interesting ….

 

[mchookem 16,321]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

He's right.  This map is a "we want change" map, not a referendum on a specific candidate.

holy shit CO really is the only state that actually went more blue 😮

am i a wizard? 😄

 

[WBT 20,561]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Seems legit

[C-Man 27,187]

51 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

He sure did separate thousands of children from their parents at the border, including breastfeeding infants. Oh and so many were never reunited.  

I have no doubt that they'll do this all over again. But the rich dudes have no interest in solving the immigration problem. Hell, there are wealthy GOP'ers whose entire business model relies on immigrant labor. They'll make America inhospitable enough to tamp down numbers of people coming here but they're gonna do fuck-all otherwise except peformative, cruel shit on the borders. John Oliver's piece two weeks ago was the idea of the mass deportation of 20M people and the price tag was staggering at nearly $1T over 10 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/oct/28/john-oliver-trump-immigration

Quote

On the latest Last Week Tonight, John Oliver looked into the practical implications of Donald Trump’s promise to enact mass deportations of undocumented people, which has been a cornerstone of his campaign. Some version of the idea has support among roughly 54% of Americans, and 86% of Republicans. “Trump supporters will tell you they love the idea of mass deportation – even if they haven’t thought much about the details,” said Oliver. “The fact is, a lot of people seem to be supporting something right now whose implications they may not fully understand.”

Oliver went into the logistics of how mass deportation would work, but “for the record, the morality of it is despicable”, he said. “Immigrants are human beings, no matter what McDonald’s worst employee says.”

The sheer size of what Trump is proposing is staggering – removing about 13 million people, more than the population of Ohio, many of whom have lived here for decades. Deportation would involve arrest, detention and legal processing, requiring the government to hire an estimated 220,000 to 409,000 new employees and law enforcement officers. As for the detention, “think for a second what it would entail to detain 13 million people,” especially as the entire US prison and jail population stands at 1.9 million people. “And we have a lot of prisons and jails in this country. They are kinda our thing,” said Oliver. “If we had a slogan, it should probably be ‘America: Home of Jails and the KFC Doubledown’.”

To deport “just” a million people a year – as JD Vance callously suggested in an interview with Bill O’Reilly touting a “bite-by-bite” approach – would cost an estimated $88bn annually, with the majority of that going toward building detention camps. Over a decade, that would cost nearly $1tn. “And to be clear here, my biggest problem with ‘we’d spend nearly $1tn on building detention camps for immigrants is not the trillion-dollar part,” said Oliver. “But I do think it’s worth recognizing the extent to which Trump and Vance are full of shit from a practical standpoint, as well as a moral one.”

For the sake of argument, Oliver pretended that mass deportation was a realistic policy. “It still wouldn’t solve the problems the Trump campaign is claiming it would,” he said, breaking down Republicans’ arguments on how deportation would help the economy, housing costs and crime.

Mass deportation would not decrease unemployment; in fact, records from the Obama years show that for every 500,000 undocumented workers forced out of the country, 44,000 fewer jobs were held by US-born workers, as companies that rely on immigrants for either their customer base or their workforce end up shutting down. Additionally, removing 13 million people who spend money in their communities would hurt the economy. Oliver cited estimates that such a move would lead to a loss of somewhere between 4.2 and 6.8% of GDP, on par with the Great Recession.

As for housing, Oliver disputed an argument put forth by Vance at a campaign stop, that housing was “simple supply and demand, my friends … we’ve got to build more houses and we’ve got to deport the illegal aliens so that American homes go to American citizens.”

“Even if that wasn’t total bullshit, JD Vance’s very existence is proof that supply and demand doesn’t always work,” Oliver countered. “There was no demand for a business-pilled bearded sycophant that gets routinely ignored by Trump. We already have two of those,” cue photos of Eric and Don Jr, “and we barely even use them, and yet here we are with an unnecessary third.”

In truth, many economists have testified that mass deportations could make the housing crisis worse, since undocumented people are a key part of the construction industry. Trump’s proposal, should it stand, would result in the removal of 1.5 million construction workers, including more than one in three roofers, ceiling tilers, stucco masons, plasterers and drywall installers. Oliver quoted one economist who stated bluntly: “In the long run, immigrants are the solution to the housing crisis. Without immigrants, you can’t increase the supply of housing.”

“And for what it’s worth, JD Vance, that is actually supply and demand in action,” he said. “Not just some bullshit you dreamed up between drafts of your next memoir, Dingus Sonata, where I’m guessing you’ll solve poverty by comparing it to a turkey fucking reuben.”

Finally, mass deportation would not decrease violent crime. For one, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the US, and according to FBI data, violent crime has decreased since 2020. “It’s one of the good decreases since then, along with the amount of Zoom family dinners and the number of alive Henry Kissingers,” Oliver joked.

But that hasn’t stopped Trump and his ilk, including Stephen Miller, from inciting false panics over “immigrant invasions” of places like Aurora, Colorado, and Springfield, Ohio, which residents of both have vociferously refuted.

Trump has referred to Aurora as a “war zone”, despite opposition from Aurora’s Republican mayor. “And that specific language points to what his real endgame here might look like,” said Oliver. “Because while Trump can’t deport 13 million or even 1 million people overnight, and mass deportation won’t fix any of the problems he says it will, he could still use Aurora-style panics to give himself a ton of power,” such as invoking the Illegal Aliens Act to turbocharge deportations without due process.

Besides, obviously, voting for Kamala Harris, Oliver advocated for talking to people in one’s life who are inclined to vote for Trump about what they would actually like to see with immigration, given that data “suggests that when people genuinely understand what these policies look like, they tend to choose the less punitive”, he said. “And I do believe the vast majority want to do what is right for the immigrants they know. The task is to extend the same humanity to those they don’t.

“And that is a task that both parties would do well to adopt,” he added, noting that Obama holds the record for most deportations in a single year, and Biden’s immigration policies have been “haphazard at best”.

“Immigrants are not the ones who broke this system,” he concluded. “On the contrary, they’re making the most of the splintered shards we’ve given them, and continuing to build lives, communities and this country into something better, richer and stronger. And the very least we can do for them is to go out on November 5 and not pick a president who demonizes their existence, advocates for their suffering and has proven multiple times that he is, to put it mildly, a bad fucking hombre.”

 

[Brisketexan 105,066]

Somebody please explain to me how 7 million people will be deported. Let’s forget that no one ever asked Trump how he’s going to pay for his policies, let’s just start with who will be making arrests. The military? Local police? The FBI? And how is this going to work- SWAT teams roll into an immigrant rich neighborhood with cops demanding to see proof of citizenship or visa papers for every brown person on the street? 
 
Next, I’d like to hear about how our backlogged immigration courts are going to hear and process 7 million deportation orders. 
 
Where is the government going to house and feed these 7 million people while their cases are decided?
My prediction is that they will make as much progress with these deportations as they did on building the fucking wall

“Courts.” You’re adorable.
They’re going with Operation Wetback 2.0. Grab them, ship them across the border within hours. No process, no courts.

[Thatguy 8,679]

6 hours ago, aggie08 said:

You say that, but I don't think you fully realize just how bad it would have to get for these guys to admit fault for their vote and blame Donald Trump for literally anything. $10 eggs and $6 gas? "Oh, this is just the temporary pain before utopia begins."

It's never going to be as satisfying as we hope.

It has to happen in order for people to finally be rid of this dickhead. I am down for it. I will pay 100 per carton of eggs to be rid of fascism.

[Brisketexan 105,066]

What the fuck is the point of stealing the signs after the election? You'd think they'd want us to have to wear our defeat. But they're not too bright. Thanks for the free trash pickup, I guess.

Because being assholes is the point. Look at the Trumpists posting here: they have the green light to be unrestrained assholes. That’s the foundation of the entire movement: license to be your worst self.

I, for one, say we should embrace it.

[tx 3 putt 76,870]

RFK jr will never see the inside of the white house. he’s talking too much and getting too much press

 

now this …

why’s does he think he’s in charge ?

Edited November 7 by tx 3 putt

[DaysOff 7,947]

I bet it's way more than half. A whole shit ton of Americans voted for him because they made it through his last term without their world falling apart. In their mind that happened after Biden took office and prices shot up.

Until people address covid trauma, they'll never mentally heal.

[Sawbonz 27,539]

9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I have no doubt that they'll do this all over again. But the rich dudes have no interest in solving the immigration problem. Hell, there are wealthy GOP'ers whose entire business model relies on immigrant labor. They'll make America inhospitable enough to tamp down numbers of people coming here but they're gonna do fuck-all otherwise except peformative, cruel shit on the borders. John Oliver's piece two weeks ago was the idea of the mass deportation of 20M people and the price tag was staggering at nearly $1T over 10 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/oct/28/john-oliver-trump-immigration

 

Why are people assuming these deportations will follow any type of due process?

[WinningIsHard 4,027]

37 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Oh, absolutely. It obviously happens on this forum often. Way too often with Twitter. Though, I'd argue the difference between misinformation and disinformation, but I don't want to right now.

But, as a whole, who do you think gets closer to the truth/facts of the matter? You'll deflect, but we both know it's not even a fair fight.

I'm not a "you have to go to college to be successful/smart" drum beater, but one thing that college does teach is when not to cite a shit source on your term paper. The right's base is more ill-equipped to siphon through the garbage and, as we've seen, often choose to cling to the lie when presented with new information.

 

a&m puts out a lottttttt of college graduates man. There are a ton of universities in America, claiming all college kids vote blue is a little wild. 

[abuelo gringo 321]

20 hours ago, pacman said:

What am I missing here? This is not a reduction bill.

The bill repeals two provisions that reduce the amount of benefits paid to them. By removing them, citizens will see an increase in benefits. This is a spending bill to the tune of an estimated $186 million over 4 years.

Yes.  This eliminates the "double dipping" provisions enacted years ago.  People with Civil Service Retirement System and similar pensions used to be able to collect SS benefits also.  35-40 years ago they offset the other pension amount against the SS earnings.  This bill would reinstate the retiree receiving full benefits from both.

I didn't have enough quarters in to qualify for SS, but many did, but weren't able to.

Edited November 7 by abuelo gringo

[aggie08 21,489]

Just now, WinningIsHard said:

a&m puts out a lottttttt of college graduates man. There are a ton of universities in America, claiming all college kids vote blue is a little wild. 

Is that what I said? Obviously no one is a monolith. I'm talking about bases. You'd agree that non-college educated is his, correct? They break for him at 63%.

[4th&Five 41,513]

12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

RFK jr will never see the inside of the white house. he’s talking too much and getting too much press

 

now this …

why’s does he think he’s in charge ?

it'll be another revolving door, i'm sure. this time we're not starting with actual adults though and we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrell on day one.

[skeeter 454]

Damn … early eviction of JB before the holidays?  Let the war on Xmas begin!

[Todd Gack 432]

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

“Courts.” You’re adorable.
They’re going with Operation Wetback 2.0. Grab them, ship them across the border within hours. No process, no courts.

yep.  remember those scenes from Handmaids Tale where they grabbed women and stuck them in the back of police cars and vans to take to Gilead?  I'd imagine Trump-style mass deportations would be closer to that than any type of detainment and due process.

[C-Man 27,187]

51 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

"Oh he says a lot of thing but he won't be that bad" is how half his voters justified their vote for him. 

It does for sure. Can't tell you how many times I saw shit-posting that was basically, "I sure miss those mean Tweets" as if that was the only thing he did wrong in his first term.

 

50 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Oh, absolutely. It obviously happens on this forum often. Way too often with Twitter. Though, I'd argue the difference between misinformation and disinformation, but I don't want to right now.

But, as a whole, who do you think gets closer to the truth/facts of the matter? You'll deflect, but we both know it's not even a fair fight.

I'm not a "you have to go to college to be successful/smart" drum beater, but one thing that college does teach is when not to cite a shit source on your term paper. The right's base is more ill-equipped to siphon through the garbage and, as we've seen, often choose to cling to the lie when presented with new information.

 

I hate this argument so much. I've said it multiple times on this board but turnip's biggest lasting legacy -- to this point anyway -- is complete destruction of the idea of a free press in the US. Social media has a hand as well but the complete destruction of the old guard of journalism is never going to get fixed. Anybody with any brains, or none at all really, can pay a couple of bucks and build a professional looking "news" site and spew all kinds of untrue garbage that is taken as truth by gullible people. The legacy media still has checks and balances and does not print or air outright lies. There are repercussions if they do shit like that.

[WinningIsHard 4,027]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

He sure did separate thousands of children from their parents at the border, including breastfeeding infants. Oh and so many were never reunited.  

I am almost positive that during Obama's tenure the "cages" were created. I could be wrong though. After the first 4 years Obama was heavily criticized and he softened his stance on the border and deportations. The point is I don't think we are going to see 7 million people deported.