Trump’s America

[bluto 4912]

1 hour ago, Brew said:

I’m not giving you my “feels”. I’m telling you what my construction clients are seeing in their futures pricing. G650 is telling you what he is seeing/expecting in materials pricing. The guys on my side have all been in the industry a long-time and they are making plans for increased/unstable material costs and are not locking in long-term contract pricing. You have a short window to accept and a short window to pay for/purchase materials. 

Now, my steel guys are falling all over themselves with the proposed increase in the tariffs. Their numbers will go through the roof because their prices increase substantially with tariffs. They can charge more because of foreign material pricing. The end customer pays similar to what he would for imported tariffed steel (xx% higher than without tariffs) and the steel guys here just make a much larger spread. They love it.

why is steel different from the material costs in the first paragraph?

[Goofyboy 3269]

as West Virginia heavily depends on federal assistance programs like Social Security, Medicaid, and SNAP, with 37% of the state’s income tied to these sources. lololol
fafo going to hit those hillbillies hard 
 

I hope they get exactly what they voted for.

[Bullneck 19070]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Trump is a traitor to the country and tried to overthrow the Democratic rule of the United States government. That was the line in the sand for the Cheneys.   The fact you think what you think - means only that you are also supportive of your candidate being a traitor to the constitution and his oath. It doesn’t bother you because you are worthless traitorous scum.

You don’t realize that every post you make makes you look worse - while in your feeble giddy-with-victory brain you think you’re making points.   

 

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

oh noes - she could not not sway the stupid bros - the least informed part of the electorate in the country - nor cure their long earned ignorance and toxic bro personalities in an hour while talking policy to a human vegetable.  What a condemnation!! 

Forget it, Jake.  It's Trumptown.

[closetohumping 17434]

Anecdotal friend of a friend stuff.  My buddy’s Mexican friend went to a bar/restaurant in ft worth and a white patron with five of his buddies as backup.  told him to leave. Apparently waitress said he should leave as to not cause trouble 

[Bullneck 19070]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Anecdotal friend of a friend stuff.  My buddy’s Mexican friend went to a bar/restaurant in ft worth and a white patron with five of his buddies as backup.  told him to leave. Apparently waitress said he should leave as to not cause trouble 

Could you be more specific?  Should he leave:

a. the bar

b. Foat Worth

c. The US of A

[closetohumping 17434]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Could you be more specific?  Should he leave:

a. the bar

b. Foat Worth

c. The US of A

A.  B and C likely implied

[Sawbonz 27537]

6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Anecdotal friend of a friend stuff.  My buddy’s Mexican friend went to a bar/restaurant in ft worth and a white patron with five of his buddies as backup.  told him to leave. Apparently waitress said he should leave as to not cause trouble 

Joe T Garcia’s?

[InkaUtexas 25861]

9 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Anecdotal friend of a friend stuff.  My buddy’s Mexican friend went to a bar/restaurant in ft worth and a white patron with five of his buddies as backup.  told him to leave. Apparently waitress said he should leave as to not cause trouble 

Sadly that shit happened before the election and all over the country. Walked into a bar with some friends from Cape Verde up in Boston. All heads turned towards us and we were politely told we might want to find another establishment.

It is in our soul as a nation. Sucks, but it is not just this election.

[closetohumping 17434]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Sadly that shit happened before the election and all over the country. Walked into a bar with some friends from Cape Verde up in Boston. All heads turned towards us and we were politely told we might want to find another establishment.

It is in our soul as a nation. Sucks, but it is not just this election.

Wow

[InkaUtexas 25861]

2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Wow

Shit, my Rural relatives in Mass (vote D) are some real racists shits. Did not like my ex-wife. She is part Dominican. Did not like me speaking Spanish. Did not like anything that was not Yankee redneck. If you had a good friend who was hispanic or black, well he was one of the good ones. The rest, nope. Fuck em.

 

[Bullneck 19070]

53 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

as West Virginia heavily depends on federal assistance programs like Social Security, Medicaid, and SNAP, with 37% of the state’s income tied to these sources. lololol

fafo going to hit those hillbillies hard 

Well, in the North of Carolina, way back in the hills
Me and my old pappy and he had him a still
He brewed white lightnin' 'til the sun went down
And then you'd fill him a jug and he'd pass it around
Mighty, mighty pleasin', pappy's corn squeezin'
Sh, white lightnin'

 

[tx 3 putt 76870]

lol

 

[Brew 3049]

49 minutes ago, bluto said:

why is steel different from the material costs in the first paragraph?

Steel has worldwide tariffs with exemptions for Canada/Mexico, it wasn’t just a specific tariff directed at China. There are also targeted tariffs on Chinese steel outside of the overall tariffs. Numerous studies have shown the steel tariffs specifically to be detrimental to the consumer from a cost perspective, but there are also issues around the push for production of “clean” steel/aluminum that drive those tariffs as well.

[hayden_horn 11362]

43 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Anecdotal friend of a friend stuff.  My buddy’s Mexican friend went to a bar/restaurant in ft worth and a white patron with five of his buddies as backup.  told him to leave. Apparently waitress said he should leave as to not cause trouble 

i mean one of yall should've told him that Yolanda shirt was a fucking terrible idea

[gmr548 16576]

5 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

 

Honestly man maybe just log out of Surly for a few days. I think it would be good for you.

You have been on here just spamming nearly non-stop for days on end. I've tried to engage you on why we're all deranged betas way too deep in our feelings and get a feel for what we should really expect from the admin but that hasn't held your attention. Most of what you post is either stuff like this - basically the $9.95 fall practice reports for hardcore political partisans - or just releasing a crazy, downright weird amount of rage against political opponents in the abstract or even other posters.

I'm not saying this because I'm offended or annoyed or whatever, and you can consider me owned if it makes you feel good. I'm saying it because your current mental state is pretty clearly not good for you or anyone else, and both you and the people around you in your life would almost certainly be better if you just cooled down a bit. Go watch some football, get a workout in, camp in the woods, try to get laid, whatever. 

Edited November 10 by gmr548

[Hermanator 7032]

18 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Honestly man maybe just log out of Surly for a few days. I think it would be good for you.

You have been on here just spamming nearly non-stop for days on end. I've tried to engage you on why we're all deranged betas way too deep in our feelings and get a feel for what we should really expect from the admin but that hasn't held your attention. Most of what you post is either stuff like this - basically the $9.95 fall practice reports for hardcore political partisans - or just releasing a crazy, downright weird amount of rage against political opponents in the abstract or even other posters.

I'm not saying this because I'm offended or annoyed or whatever, and you can consider me owned if it makes you feel good. I'm saying it because your current mental state is pretty clearly not good for you or anyone else, and both you and the people around you in your life would almost certainly be better if you just cooled down a bit. Go watch some football, get a workout in, camp in the woods, try to get laid, whatever. 

Just put that fucker on ignore. Same with the others. That way no one has to see their garbage. 

With time the hate will eat him alive and he'll kill over or 

[mchookem 16321]

he's working on his sermon for tomorrow anyway

[tx 3 putt 76870]

lol

[ChiTownDoc 21143]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

We were told that Gen Z was going to save us. 

We are all just jealous of their virtual gf’s.  

[MissingInAction 25008]

No amount of smashing our phones will make fuck all difference.

Vote in every single election while we still can.

[tx 3 putt 76870]

2 hours ago, mchookem said:

he's working on his sermon for tomorrow anyway

 

[Thatguy 8678]

5 hours ago, Anastasis said:

American politics is a game played on the margins. But I am sure that aligning and sitting on stage with the worst war mongers of the Cheney clan helped.  

First, when Johnny Sack is the pos rep you get for this you know you missed. About 100 things happened between Jan 21, 2021 and Nov 5, 2024 that helped Trump get the Whitehouse back and none of them were the Cheneys. You could start with April 14, 2022. That's when Elon Musk acquired Twitter and started his effort to buy the Presidency. You could end with September 26, 2024. That's when Hurricane Helene made landfall. The Harris campaign was picking up steam, that storm hit, and Rs were able to lay the blame squarely at the feet of the Ds and Harris. IMO, that storm handed Georgia and NC to Trump. I still hear where is FEMA and $750 dollars ringing in my ears.

[BevoAbyss 2058]

Nietzsche saw it coming. A single sentence to summarize the fanatical religious fascist cult of Trump.

[Gatorubet 30185]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

American politics is a game played on the margins. But I am sure that aligning and sitting on stage with the worst war mongers of the Cheney clan helped.  

if you think that agreeing with the Cheaneys that January 6 was treason Is the reason Kamala lost the election, you are a bigger idiot than I think you are.  And if by some magic you are actually correct, then certainly our country deserves to become known as the shit hole of all shit holes with the stupidest population of voting public in the world. 

I’ve had a lot of time to think about it and I’ve come to the conclusion that America needs a deep long depression with massive human suffering and misery so that even the stupidest people will eventually be able to open their eyes and see the things that are important.   When you can’t feed your family, owning libs is less important -  then you might listen to a progressive.    Everyone is too stupid and happy right now to worry about anyone but themselves in the most superficial fashion.   Fortunately, Trump is about to fix that.

[Sawbonz 27537]

8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Walked into a bar with some friends from Cape Verde up in Boston

Boston is probably the most racist city in the country 

Edited November 10 by Sawbonz
ETA not in terms of percentage of racists, but the racists they have are really fucking racist

[pacman 7355]

Quote

 “The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products valued at approximately $380 billion in 2018 and 2019, amounting to one of the largest tax increases in decades,” wrote Erica York for the Tax Foundation. Tariffs, she continued, “lead to a net loss in production and jobs and lower levels of income.” They are also notably regressive, burdening poor consumers more than rich ones.

Caused a $625 in annual tax increase per family

Caused $61 billion in bailout aid for farmers

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxnotes/2024/07/01/take-trump-seriously-when-he-says-tariffs-will-pay-for-tax-reform/

Iowa St studied its affect on Iowa extensively. Of course, Trump won Iowa so it must not have been too bad for them or must not "hurt enough".

https://www.card.iastate.edu/products/policy-briefs/display/?n=1281

https://dr.lib.iastate.edu/entities/publication/45bd07e0-18bc-4cfa-b6d5-8db6ea9cb7a2

Average loss in soybean of $545 million

Corn loss average $333 million

Pork loss average of $776 million

All resulting in labor income loss of roughly $484 million, upper range, without federal offsets

Has been laughable to see Trump talk about Biden's inflation only to win with policy that will reverse the current downward trend and send it higher.

But, the only truth for Trump voters is Trump, one of the most prolific liars in the world.

[Anastasis 23459]

1 minute ago, Goofyboy said:

No one likes Cheney clan.

Dem Insiders Begged Team Harris Not to Campaign With Liz Cheney

“People don’t want to be in a coalition with the devil,” says a Democratic source who was appalled by Harris’ embrace of Dick Cheney

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/harris-cheney-democrats-campaign-trump-election-2024-1235158805/

Kamala Harris’ 2024 campaign started out fun. It opened with the politics of joy, and a hearty dose of mockery aimed at Donald Trump and his running mate, J.D. Vance. The campaign quickly adopted a different tack — attempting to project strength and leadership, while courting support from Republicans concerned about the threat posed by Trump. 

That approach culminated with Harris campaigning with former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney and touting an endorsement from her father, former Vice President and Iraq War architect Dick Cheney. The pitch bombed with Republicans, as Democrats’ share of moderates and independents fell and overall Democratic support crumbled, too. 

Now, several Democratic operatives and insiders tell Rolling Stone they tried to convince the Harris campaign and her allies that palling around with the Cheneys was a bad idea with little upside — and could harm Harris’ support among disaffected Democratic voters. The sources requested anonymity to discuss sensitive intraparty matters.

One source close to the Harris campaign tells Rolling Stone they reached out to several staffers in and around the campaign to voice concerns about the candidate embracing Dick and Liz Cheney. 

“People don’t want to be in a coalition with the devil,” says the source, speaking about Dick Cheney. They say a Harris staffer responded that it was not the staff’s role to challenge the campaign’s decisions. 

A Democratic strategist says they warned key Harris surrogates and top-level officials at the Democratic National Committee that campaigning with Liz Cheney — and making the campaign’s closing argument about how many Republicans were supporting Harris — was highly unlikely to motivate any new swing voters, and risked dissuading already-despondent, infrequent Democratic voters who had supported Biden in 2020. The strategist says they also attempted to have big donors and battleground state party chairs convey the same argument to the Harris campaign.  

Another Democratic operative close to Harrisworld says they sent memos and data to Harris campaign staffers underscoring how, among other things, Republican voters, believe it or not, vote Republican — and that the data over the past year screamed that Democrats instead needed to reassure and energize the liberal base and Dem-leaning working class in battleground states. “We were told, basically, to get lost, no thank you,” says the operative. 

A Harris spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Following the Harris campaign’s crushing loss to Trump, there’s an argument to be made that Democrats never really stood a chance this election cycle, given Joe Biden’s unpopularity and Americans’ unhappiness with a brutal economy. 

But Harris exerted far more effort attempting to appeal to Republicans, moderates, and independents than the Democratic base — which has been demoralized, in part, by Biden’s continued support for Israel’s brutal war in Gaza. 

Exit polls suggest Democrats had major turnout issues; the portion of the 2024 electorate that identified as Democrat declined significantly compared to past presidential elections.

Former White House Press Secretary and MSNBC host Jen Psaki said Friday on Morning Joe that Democrats had spent too much time listening to and lifting up Republicans who left Trump and the Never Trump movement.

 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

21 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Boston is probably the most racist city in the country 

Yeah it is, but I wonder why.

On the one hand, there's a lot of money there and a lot of education/educated.  But same is true of NYC and Philly, just using east coast cities.

One thing that maybe stands out, from WWII to present, it has gone from 96.6% white to 44.7%.

I suppose the other standout demographic feature is that its largest white ethnic population is Irish at 14%.

The wealth gap is huge, but I suspect no different than NYC or Philly.

[Bullneck 19070]

7 hours ago, gmr548 said:

I'm not saying this because I'm offended or annoyed or whatever, and you can consider me owned if it makes you feel good. I'm saying it because your current mental state is pretty clearly not good for you or anyone else, and both you and the people around you in your life would almost certainly be better if you just cooled down a bit. Go watch some football, get a workout in, camp in the woods, try to get laid, whatever. 

I think I have diagnosed the problem

8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Sadly that shit happened before the election and all over the country. Walked into a bar with some friends from Cape Verde up in Boston. All heads turned towards us and we were politely told we might want to find another establishment.

It is in our soul as a nation. Sucks, but it is not just this election.

"Howdy boys, can I get you a drink?  You don't look like you're from around here"

"Do you have Windhoek Lager?  We're from Cape Verde"

"Cape Verde!? The place that spawns those Category 5 hurricanes?  Git the hell out my bar!"

 

 

Edited November 10 by Bullneck

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

10 hours ago, Incredulity said:

 No. Republicans and MAGA control the mainstream media. 

[Incredulity 11650]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 No. Republicans and MAGA control the mainstream media. 

Uh-huh….how might that be exactly?

[TwiceHorn 31438]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Uh-huh….how might that be exactly?

When you take away "mainstream" meaning the big networks and look at what's actually out there on the internet, you see the dominance of right-wing sources.

Anytime I saw some dubious claim repeated here, or elsewhere, I'd have to wade through a dozen or two, at least, right wing sites repeating the same thing from the same series of sources.  On the second or third page of search results, I might find something exposing the facts that form the basis for the dubious claim.

A whole lot of people a) don't have the critical thinking skills to immediately recognize something that is badly spun if not an outright fabrication and b) to drill down and discover the actual facts.

Does this happen with left-wing sources sometimes?  You bet your fur.  But you don't have to wade through two pages of search engine results before you find factual reporting.

[Incredulity 11650]

Oh cool, a gotcha based on redefining words.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Uh-huh….how might that be exactly?

Um, in what we don't they? I'm just making a statement of fact. 
 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Oh cool, a gotcha based on redefining words.  

No. I'm saying based on the most straightforward definitions, what you meant when you said it. Republicans control the mainstream media. They dominate it financially, editorially, and narratively. They also control the major alternatives, such as podcasts and talk radio. In what way do they not control it?

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

When you take away "mainstream" meaning the big networks and look at what's actually out there on the internet, you see the dominance of right-wing sources.

No, I meant it the way he meant it, except with Republicans. They control the mainstream media. 

[Sawbonz 27537]

Most media consumption is online, and it would be hard to argue that mainstream online media platforms are leftist.
 

The legacy media - OTA stations, cable news, and print media - are mosty owned and controlled by conservative billionaires. CNN has taken a sharp turn to the right under the new ownership. Washington Post and LA Times were forbidden by their oligarch owners from endorsing a presidential candidate. 
 

 

[Bullneck 19070]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

if you think that agreeing with the Cheaneys that January 6 was treason Is the reason Kamala lost the election, you are a bigger idiot than I think you are.  And if by some magic you are actually correct, then certainly our country deserves to become known as the shit hole of all shit holes with the stupidest population of voting public in the world. 

I’ve had a lot of time to think about it and I’ve come to the conclusion that America needs a deep long depression with massive human suffering and misery so that even the stupidest people will eventually be able to open their eyes and see the things that are important.   When you can’t feed your family, owning libs is less important -  then you might listen to a progressive.    Everyone is too stupid and happy right now to worry about anyone but themselves in the most superficial fashion.   Fortunately, Trump is about to fix that.

Preach.

Muricans are PISSED that eggs are $1.00 more than they were.  Or gas is more expensive and can't reason through the cause and effect of the Covid shutdown and the fact that CEOs set prices, not the government.

What I believe you're alluding to a truly massive resetting of perspective.  Instead of the middle of America thinking "I can't go on vacation three times a year, only two" they are going to grapple with "we need to sell our stock to pay our mortgage."  Hopefully a year or two into the next Trump term people will be smart enough to realize it isn't Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton to blame.  

EDIT:  I got killed financially in the 2008 meltdown, so I know what's coming.  It took me 15 years to recover - sort of - and hopefully we'll be strong enough financially to make it through the Trump Depression.  All we really have to worry about is nuclear war.

Edited November 10 by Bullneck

[TwiceHorn 31438]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Most media consumption is online, and it would be hard to argue that mainstream online media platforms are leftist.
 

The legacy media - OTA stations, cable news, and print media - are mosty owned and controlled by conservative billionaires. CNN has taken a sharp turn to the right under the new ownership. Washington Post and LA Times were forbidden by their oligarch owners from endorsing a presidential candidate. 
 

 

There's that too.  And the quality of reporting has deteriorated in such a way that it is impossible to determine where facts end and opinion begins.  You really have to drill down to find that.  AP and Reuters can be helpful on that, NPR too.

[Incredulity 11650]

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, I meant it the way he meant it, except with Republicans. They control the mainstream media. 

Go ahead and expand on Republican editorial and narrative control of ABC, NBC(Comcast broadly) and CBS.  Cause you have me flummoxed.

[burntorangebongos 10710]

On 11/8/2024 at 10:18 AM, wildcat09 said:

Only kid here, with a disabled mom (though she can mostly still take care of herself), plenty of student loan debt and a mortgage I gotta pay. Kamala's proposal to have medicare cover home health care would've been a fucking godsend. Honestly, no fucking clue what I'm going to do now when my mom can no longer take care of herself. 

Seriously, Look into an organization to provide her with home care that come in a couple of hours or so a day. There is one that is a non-profit and bases the hourly cost on what you can afford. I don't recall the name of it, sorry. Also, look into Meal-on-wheels for her.
Maybe it would be a good thing to move your mother's assets out of her name to help her qualify for services that her assets might keep her out of? Things like this is how you will have to prepare her for the help she needs.  

[Sawbonz 27537]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Go ahead and expand on Republican editorial and narrative control of ABC, NBC(Comcast broadly) and CBS.  Cause you have me flummoxed.

Are you arguing that more people consume content from ABC NBC and CBS than from the other sources mentioned between BC’s, Twice’s and my posts?

[Incredulity 11650]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Are you arguing that more people consume content from ABC NBC and CBS than from the other sources mentioned between BC’s, Twice’s and my posts?

I’m responding directly to BC.  Read the posts 

[Sawbonz 27537]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

I’m responding directly to BC.  Read the posts 

So you agree that most people get their news from sources other than NBC ABC and CBS?

Quote

Dictionary

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

Mainstream

noun

the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts.

"companies that are bringing computers to the mainstream of American life"

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Go ahead and expand on Republican editorial and narrative control of ABC, NBC(Comcast broadly) and CBS.  Cause you have me flummoxed.

That's a funny way to define mainstream media, in that you skipped financial control and those three are the fourth, fifth and ninth most cited source for political coverage, for a total of 11% of respondents to Pew. But it's not even arguable that all three gave Trump more coverage than Biden in 2020 or Biden/Harris in 2024. So it's not even an arguable point that events surrounding the campaign were covered from POV with Trump and Republicans at the center. That's the definition of narrative control - GOP events, GOP people, GOP actions, GOP language - what they are saying, doing and so on. 

Edited November 10 by Bozo_Casanova

[InkaUtexas 25861]

56 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah it is, but I wonder why.

On the one hand, there's a lot of money there and a lot of education/educated.  But same is true of NYC and Philly, just using east coast cities.

One thing that maybe stands out, from WWII to present, it has gone from 96.6% white to 44.7%.

I suppose the other standout demographic feature is that its largest white ethnic population is Irish at 14%.

The wealth gap is huge, but I suspect no different than NYC or Philly.

They are from outside Boston. In the city, like others, it is tribalism based on where you grew up. But these fucks have money, are educated, and live the good life. They choose to embrace the old Irish ways. Fuck you if not my clan.

The outliers are my uncle (Educated, a Harvard man) and Cousin (USMC). But they will fall into group speak when the family gets together on Sundays. 

[Incredulity 11650]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That's a funny way to define mainstream media, in that you skipped financial control and those three are the fourth, fifth and ninth most cited source for political coverage, for a total of 11% of respondents to Pew. But it's not even arguable that all three gave Trump more coverage than Biden in 2020 or Biden/Harris in 2024. So it's not even an arguable point that events surrounding the campaign were covered from POV with Trump and Republicans at the center. That's the definition of narrative control - GOP events, GOP people, GOP actions, GOP language - what they are saying, doing and so on. 

Ok whatever.  Completely disingenuous and you know it.

editorial and narrative control are directly from your post here

23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Republicans control the mainstream media. They dominate it financially, editorially, and narratively.

Sure, they covered Trump vastly more, you want to try and sell me that wasn’t with the motivation of trying to harm him?  Give me a fucking break.  “Trump is a fascist felon” is Republican language?  Really?

[Sawbonz 27537]

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That's a funny way to define mainstream media, in that you skipped financial control and those three are the fourth, fifth and ninth most cited source for political coverage, for a total of 11% of respondents to Pew. But it's not even arguable that all three gave Trump more coverage than Biden in 2020 or Biden/Harris in 2024. So it's not even an arguable point that events surrounding the campaign were covered from POV with Trump and Republicans at the center. That's the definition of narrative control - GOP events, GOP people, GOP actions, GOP language - what they are saying, doing and so on. 

How dare you use data to refute his misunderstanding of what the word “mainstream” means. 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

8 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Ok whatever.  Completely disingenuous and you know it.

editorial and narrative control are directly from your post here

Sure, they covered Trump vastly more, you want to try and sell me that wasn’t with the motivation of trying to harm him?  Give me a fucking break.  “Trump is a fascist felon” is Republican language?  Really?

Well, it's factual anyway.

And, conventional media didn't label him fascist much, if ever, and certainly not enough.

Edit to Add:  I duckduckgo'ed "Trump fascist felon" and got a lot of hits discussing his felony convictions in a pretty balanced light.  The word fascist was not applied directly to Trump in any of the articles.  Meaning, things like this:

Edited November 10 by TwiceHorn

[Goofyboy 3269]

Elon Musk owns Twitter. That is mainstream media online. His market share dwarfs everything else.