Trump’s America

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

So I was born in San Antonio, and went to a high school that at one time had one of the largest FFA groups in the country -- lot of kickers.  We all wore wranglers. 

Now I live in Dallas and wear chacos most of the time.

I was talking to my brother in Helotes and he's always talking about going to ranch parties.  He's a lot more comfortable with Trump's America.  I never go to ranch parties.

In Trumps America, I think we all need to go to more ranch parties.

I've asked him to include me on the ranch parties and I'll drive down.  Hopefully I can get by with Levis and Red Wings.

I figure I'll just smile and say "Ain't that the truth." or "You gotta laugh to keep from cryin'." or "Man that's good brisket."

[pacman 7355]

18 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Hard agree

 

You feel this feeling is unique to Republicans?

Seems all democrats are labeled some acronym of "evil" and seemingly under a constant threat of violence 

[InkaUtexas 25859]

@Pancho

Miller as Deputy CoS for Policy.

Edited November 11 by InkaUtexas

[InkaUtexas 25859]

This is not good right? Is this the correct thread for this?

Trump tariffs since 2018 hit some $300 billion of Chinese imports, sparking retaliation that targeted key farm products like soybeans and caused such exports to fall.

US farmers relied on subsidies to get by at the time and say China has since reduced its reliance on American agriculture products.

Trump has suggested tariffs on all imports this time -- with an especially high rate on China -- making many farm owners jittery of a return to trade tensions.

But this comes even as Trump's Republican party saw wide support in rural areas during this year's election, with many farmers supporting him despite the financial hit in the trade war. The hope is for economic conditions to improve.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241110-us-farmers-gird-for-trade-wars-on-trump-tariff-pledges

[David Dennison 18849]

23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh....my sweet summer child.

Let me change that for you, so you realize how foolish it looks:

You are not paying attention.  The "Christo" is just the wrapping paper around the rank turd that is fascist authoritarianism.  We WANT authoritarianism.  We just voted for it.  We are absolutely going to take it, we are going to cheer it on.  The Trumpkins on here who are currently mocking us for pointing out where this is going will either be totally silent when it comes, or will be here to justify it, telling us "well, he HAS to suspend the rule of law to take our country back!  That's what patriots do!"

You fucking know how this goes.  You don't want to know it.  You don't want to acknowledge it.  But...you know.

This isn't interwar Germany no matter how much you want to make that analogy fit.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

12 minutes ago, pacman said:

You feel this feeling is unique to Republicans?

The user name, Incredulity, checks out. 

Keep that in mind and his posts make total sense. 

[Chad Fuck 17659]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

This is not good right? Is this the correct thread for this?

Trump tariffs since 2018 hit some $300 billion of Chinese imports, sparking retaliation that targeted key farm products like soybeans and caused such exports to fall.

US farmers relied on subsidies to get by at the time and say China has since reduced its reliance on American agriculture products.

Trump has suggested tariffs on all imports this time -- with an especially high rate on China -- making many farm owners jittery of a return to trade tensions.

But this comes even as Trump's Republican party saw wide support in rural areas during this year's election, with many farmers supporting him despite the financial hit in the trade war. The hope is for economic conditions to improve.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241110-us-farmers-gird-for-trade-wars-on-trump-tariff-pledges

"Hope" doing a heavy lift here.

[Brisketexan 105061]

27 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

This isn't interwar Germany no matter how much you want to make that analogy fit.

Oh, there are definitely differences.  The biggest one being that the German population was ripe for ethnonationalist populist bullshit because of their extreme economic hardship.  Our "extreme economic hardship" is nowhere even close to what they were experiencing.....yet, stupidly enough, the outrage, emotion, and anger in response to it is emotionally nearly identical.

And no, we don't have a burning desire for local conquest.  That's largely a function of our geography -- we simply don't have the history of European continental power struggles.  So, our bout with fascism is not likely to be as externally militaristic as Germany's.

We are not doing, and are not going to do, things EXACTLY the same as Germany did.

The saying exists because it's true: “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”

[David Dennison 18849]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, there are definitely differences.  The biggest one being that the German population was ripe for ethnonationalist populist bullshit because of their extreme economic hardship.  Our "extreme economic hardship" is nowhere even close to what they were experiencing.....yet, stupidly enough, the outrage, emotion, and anger in response to it is emotionally nearly identical.

And no, we don't have a burning desire for local conquest.  That's largely a function of our geography -- we simply don't have the history of European continental power struggles.  So, our bout with fascism is not likely to be as externally militaristic as Germany's.

We are not doing, and are not going to do, things EXACTLY the same as Germany did.

The saying exists because it's true: “History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”

Until the Unites States Congress passes the equivalent of the Enabling Act, I consider it to be blank verse.

[wildcat09 29345]

That reminds me, I need to create a mutelist of the posters who refuse to recognize reality even as it's punching us in the face.

[Brisketexan 105061]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Until the Unites States Congress passes the equivalent of the Enabling Act, I consider it to be blank verse.

THAT...is the fucking bar that has to be cleared?  The "oh, it's definitely too late now, the only path forward is armed resistance" type of bar?  Jesus fucking christ, you wouldn't call a wildfire a wildfire worthy of concern until your house is fully consumed.  And that is EXACTLY how we end up in a fucking horrific place.

The time to respond to the advancing wildfire is while it is advancing.....not once your fucking home is in flames.  But, here we are.  Believe me, I hear you.  Yours is the dominant way of thinking.  Which is exactly how we end up where we are.

[David Dennison 18849]

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

That reminds me, I need to create a mutelist of the posters who refuse to recognize reality even as it's punching us in the face.

What are you doing to plan for inevitable Christo-Fascist state? 

Edited November 11 by David Dennison

[Chad Fuck 17659]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Until the Unites States Congress passes the equivalent of the Enabling Act, I consider it to be blank verse.

They don't need to at the moment.  But if there looks to be any change in the House/Senate make up in 2026, they definitely will do it walking out the door.  

[David Dennison 18849]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

THAT...is the fucking bar that has to be cleared?  The "oh, it's definitely too late now, the only path forward is armed resistance" type of bar?  Jesus fucking christ, you wouldn't call a wildfire a wildfire worthy of concern until your house is fully consumed.  And that is EXACTLY how we end up in a fucking horrific place.

The time to respond to the advancing wildfire is while it is advancing.....not once your fucking home is in flames.  But, here we are.  Believe me, I hear you.  Yours is the dominant way of thinking.  Which is exactly how we end up where we are.

What are you doing besides giving up?

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

38 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

This is not good right? Is this the correct thread for this?

Trump tariffs since 2018 hit some $300 billion of Chinese imports, sparking retaliation that targeted key farm products like soybeans and caused such exports to fall.

US farmers relied on subsidies to get by at the time and say China has since reduced its reliance on American agriculture products.

Trump has suggested tariffs on all imports this time -- with an especially high rate on China -- making many farm owners jittery of a return to trade tensions.

But this comes even as Trump's Republican party saw wide support in rural areas during this year's election, with many farmers supporting him despite the financial hit in the trade war. The hope is for economic conditions to improve.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241110-us-farmers-gird-for-trade-wars-on-trump-tariff-pledges

So I was talking with my dad and some other Trump voters in individual conversations over the weekend and my conclusion is that many Trump 2024 voters simply don’t believe the campaign’s policies will be executed. 
 

When I brought up across the board tariffs, and how that’s not going to help food prices go down, the response was “that’s not going to happen”. Instead he believes some responsible “targeted tariffs” will be what happens- despite all evidence to the contrary. 
 

Same for Obamacare. “He won’t get rid of protections for pre-existing conditions”.  And Medicare changes? “he won’t touch Medicare”

lol ok. There’s no point in arguing policy because I think a lot of Trump voters are similar. Thinking they were just voting for a change at the White House, but not actually believing that Trump will pursue the few policies he ran on. 
 

I will be watching this thread. 

[InkaUtexas 25859]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

What are you doing besides giving up?

hopefully fleecing two rich fucks who want to sue each other while sipping a nice bourbon and cleaning his mossberg. Of course, while sitting on the ledge.

[David Dennison 18849]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

hopefully fleecing two rich fucks who want to sue each other while sipping a nice bourbon and cleaning his mossberg. Of course, while sitting on the ledge.

Hey, if we're gonna be Gilead, might as well make some money, amiright?

[Brisketexan 105061]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What are you doing besides giving up?

Nothing.

I have tried, plenty.  Nobody listens, nobody cares, everyone thinks it will all be magically different and awesome this time.  Remember how we all used to make fun of the pseudo-"communists" on campus who would spout their idiocy about how true communism had never been tried, and they have all the ideas about how it will be awesome if we try it and "this time, it would be different!"???  I remember.  And now we get to have the same thought about the people masturbating to the idea of how THIS authoritarian government will be awesome, just you wait and see!

Why should I expend any more effort on people who don't fucking want anything but where we are and where we're headed?

I have one job now: make as much fucking money as I can, however I can, to insulate me and mine from the worst of it.  That's it.  We've chosen "fuck you, every man for himself" as our national creed, and engraved it in stone.  I'd be a fool not to live by it now.

[Thatguy 8677]

2 hours ago, softlynow said:

“Things move faster.” Got that right. As soon as Trumps people notice they’re becoming unpopular he just issues an executive order that he fills all congressional seats by appointment, no more federal elections necessary. SCOTUS affirms the dismissal of lawsuit under the political question doctrine. In Jan 2027, there will be no opposition to his whims  

These fucks don’t play by rules. Stop pretending there is anything standing between us and total oligarchic hegemony other than the particulars. 

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh....my sweet summer child.

Let me change that for you, so you realize how foolish it looks:

You are not paying attention.  The "Christo" is just the wrapping paper around the rank turd that is fascist authoritarianism.  We WANT authoritarianism.  We just voted for it.  We are absolutely going to take it, we are going to cheer it on.  The Trumpkins on here who are currently mocking us for pointing out where this is going will either be totally silent when it comes, or will be here to justify it, telling us "well, he HAS to suspend the rule of law to take our country back!  That's what patriots do!"

You fucking know how this goes.  You don't want to know it.  You don't want to acknowledge it.  But...you know.

Let me remind you what color I am and what I said earlier. There will be blood and suffering. There is no doubt in my mind that people are going to suffer. Black people suffered for a century. I think we will revolt a lot sooner than that particularly because the Johnny Sacks of the world will be done with owning the libs and will tire of THEIR money and THEIR rights being impacted. It's all fun and games until it's happening to you. I don't know how long that will take. A decade? Two? But it's going to happen.

This was needed in order to course correct. No disrespect but the white male has been running the show for too long and nothing was going to change that unless the world started doing what it is doing. People have to get really really tired of it before it was going to change.

[Brisketexan 105061]

7 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

lol ok. There’s no point in arguing policy because I think a lot of Trump voters are similar. Thinking they were just voting for a change at the White House, but not actually believing that Trump will pursue the few policies he ran on. 
 

I will be watching this thread. 

This.  This is the fascinating thing.

They SIMULTANEOUSLY don't believe he'll do what he says he'll do.....yet they love him because "no more bullshit" and "promises made, promises kept!"  The fucking cognitive dissonance is as 180 degree perfect as I've ever seen.  Truly, I couldn't write a fictional scenario with such perfect dissonance.

[Thatguy 8677]

8 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

So I was talking with my dad and some other Trump voters in individual conversations over the weekend and my conclusion is that many Trump 2024 voters simply don’t believe the campaign’s policies will be executed. 
 

When I brought up across the board tariffs, and how that’s not going to help food prices go down, the response was “that’s not going to happen”. Instead he believes some responsible “targeted tariffs” will be what happens- despite all evidence to the contrary. 
 

Same for Obamacare. “He won’t get rid of protections for pre-existing conditions”.  And Medicare changes? “he won’t touch Medicare”

lol ok. There’s no point in arguing policy because I think a lot of Trump voters are similar. Thinking they were just voting for a change at the White House, but not actually believing that Trump will pursue the few policies he ran on. 
 

I will be watching this thread. 

And this is what has to happen. Old white guys need to get punched in the mouth several times.

[David Dennison 18849]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Nothing.

I have tried, plenty.  Nobody listens, nobody cares, everyone thinks it will all be magically different and awesome this time.  Remember how we all used to make fun of the pseudo-"communists" on campus who would spout their idiocy about how true communism had never been tried, and they have all the ideas about how it will be awesome if we try it and "this time, it would be different!"???  I remember.  And now we get to have the same thought about the people masturbating to the idea of how THIS authoritarian government will be awesome, just you wait and see!

Why should I expend any more effort on people who don't fucking want anything but where we are and where we're headed?

I have one job now: make as much fucking money as I can, however I can, to insulate me and mine from the worst of it.  That's it.  We've chosen "fuck you, every man for himself" as our national creed, and engraved it in stone.  I'd be a fool not to live by it now.

I hope we get the same cabin at camp. 

[David Dennison 18849]

Just now, Thatguy said:

And this is what has to happen. Old white guys need to get punched in the mouth several times.

Fox News will just tell them it's Democrats' fault. And it will work.

[WinningIsHard 4026]

Just now, David Dennison said:

I hope we get the same cabin at camp. 

This thread has aids lol. Nazi germany, white people in power for too long, and time for every man for himself. Bingo will never be the same. 

[wildcat09 29345]

17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What are you doing to plan for inevitable Christo-Fascist state? 

What are you, some sort of cop? You've got to tell us if you are, it's in the Constitution.  

[wildcat09 29345]

8 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

Let me remind you what color I am and what I said earlier. There will be blood and suffering. There is no doubt in my mind that people are going to suffer. Black people suffered for a century. I think we will revolt a lot sooner than that particularly because the Johnny Sacks of the world will be done with owning the libs and will tire of THEIR money and THEIR rights being impacted. It's all fun and games until it's happening to you. I don't know how long that will take. A decade? Two? But it's going to happen.

 

I generally agree with this, except that Johnny Sack will never tire of owning the libs. He'd gladly let Trump take every possession he has except for a computer and modem so he could keep dunking on libs online. But he's just one guy.  

[mchookem 16321]

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

People will put up with a lot if they still have cheap food and cheap entertainment.

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

5 minutes ago, mchookem said:

It's the reason no one seriously touches welfare, food stamps, etc.  It sells good to bitch about but as long as the masses are pacified, they'll put up with most anything.

[G650 14233]

48 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What are you doing besides giving up?

I mean, I'm not speaking for brisket, but for me, not much.

[TexArcher 37762]

1 hour ago, pacman said:

 

You'll do zero of those things, you fake tough guy fucking loser.

[Incredulity 11650]

Just now, TexArcher said:

tough guy

[Chad Fuck 17659]

40 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I generally agree with this, except that Johnny Sack will never tire of owning the libs. He'd gladly let Trump take every possession he has except for a computer and modem so he could keep dunking on libs online. But he's just one guy.  

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

[Pancho 44703]

[TexArcher 37762]

44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  This is the fascinating thing.

They SIMULTANEOUSLY don't believe he'll do what he says he'll do.....yet they love him because "no more bullshit" and "promises made, promises kept!"  The fucking cognitive dissonance is as 180 degree perfect as I've ever seen.  Truly, I couldn't write a fictional scenario with such perfect dissonance.

This.

Their ability to hold two contradictory positions without seeing the problem is staggering to anyone with an IQ over 80.

See also: Joe Biden is a senile old man who can't string together a sentence, and Joe Biden masterminded a rigged election in front of 330 million people and didn't get caught.

See also: Donald Trump is a brilliant businessman, even though he managed to bankrupt a casino, of all things.

Etc.

These are truly stupid people.  All of them.

[David Dennison 18849]

2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

This.

Their ability to hold two contradictory positions without seeing the problem is staggering to anyone with an IQ over 80.

See also: Joe Biden is a senile old man who can't string together a sentence, and Joe Biden masterminded a rigged election in front of 330 million people and didn't get caught.

See also: Donald Trump is a brilliant businessman, even though he managed to bankrupt a casino, of all things.

Etc.

These are truly stupid people.  All of them.

But mainly, it was inflation.

[Incredulity 11650]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

But mainly, it was inflation.

If only Kamala had campaigned on double coupons, brown bagging lunch and buying close dated milk she could have ran away with it.  Shame.

[Pancho 44703]

This is…interesting

 

[mchookem 16321]

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

11 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

This.

Their ability to hold two contradictory positions without seeing the problem is staggering to anyone with an IQ over 80.

See also: Joe Biden is a senile old man who can't string together a sentence, and Joe Biden masterminded a rigged election in front of 330 million people and didn't get caught.

See also: Donald Trump is a brilliant businessman, even though he managed to bankrupt a casino, of all things.

Etc.

These are truly stupid people.  All of them.

 

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

This is…interesting

 

 

 

i ended up reading more about Bonhoeffer's theory after @NWBuck shared this video yesterday. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

The AOC responses make sense.  If the enemy of great is good or okay or the status quo, then wanting to blow shit up is completely and totally understandable. 

You gotta break some constitutional norms to make an omelet.

So get with it.  This is going to be a ride.  

 

[Pancho 44703]

[Evil Bill Obrien 3258]

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

This is…interesting

 

The Trump - AOC crossover voter was not on my bingo card...

[Red Five 40836]

7 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I remember reading probably six months ago that Trump was leading people who don't follow news/politics at all by something like 30 points. 

Cool, cool, cool. 

[Hermanator 7032]

37 minutes ago, Pancho said:

[The Original Greaser Bob 2822]

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

Left needs to get beyond being angry about it. And while Biden did some great things in terms of infrastructure, climate, etc., they didn't on the border and they obviously aren't tight with Isreal and they couldn't get past their own identify politics. Those are big fucking deals and the optics on those were bad. 

Lesson has to be a whole lot more than "they never had a chance because of inflation".  Shit, they could have made some lemonade out of the infrastructure bill and full employment in an argument about inflation and they didn't. 

  

[Hermanator 7032]

24 minutes ago, Pancho said:

This is…interesting

 

[immamac 42835]

1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

Left needs to get beyond being angry about it. And while Biden did some great things in terms of infrastructure, climate, etc., they didn't on the border and they obviously aren't tight with Isreal and they couldn't get past their own identify politics. Those are big fucking deals and the optics on those were bad. 

Lesson has to be a whole lot more than "they never had a chance because of inflation".  Shit, they could have made some lemonade out of the infrastructure bill and full employment in an argument about inflation and they didn't. 

  

The majority of the electorate didn't vote. 

If air was a candidate they would have won 538 to 0 

[Hermanator 7032]

1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

Left needs to get beyond being angry about it. And while Biden did some great things in terms of infrastructure, climate, etc., they didn't on the border and they obviously aren't tight with Isreal and they couldn't get past their own identify politics. Those are big fucking deals and the optics on those were bad. 

Lesson has to be a whole lot more than "they never had a chance because of inflation".  Shit, they could have made some lemonade out of the infrastructure bill and full employment in an argument about inflation and they didn't. 

  

It's definitely not any kind of policy issue. It's an ignorance issue. 

And more than anything, it's a social media issue. 

[Hermanator 7032]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

The majority of the electorate didn't vote. 

If air was a candidate they would have won 538 to 0 

There's about 265 million adult citizens in the US. About 71 million voted for Harris. 

Not voting for Harris in this election is the exact same thing as condoning fascism. 73% of the United States wanted fascism whether they realized it or not. 

It's a people that's broken beyond repair

[RDCanecutter 26381]

8 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So the majority of the electorate is ill informed at best.  And many of those ill-informed are indeed stupid. 

How is this anything other than a marketing issue?  It certainly isn't a policy issue.  It just is.  

For a start, fire all NPR announcers and replace them with ex-Drill Sergeants. I know you will NOT touch that dial, maggots.

[linux 1660]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This isn't interwar Germany no matter how much you want to make that analogy fit.

Why are you so against the analogy? it might not turn out that way because we will fight like hell but the slide is irreversible, remember the poem? in his first term he went against foreign immigrants now he is going about internal immigrants, even legal immigrants, there is an undeniable slide into neo nazism that people have to be hyper vigilant about not just go gee wizzz like Biden did.