Trump’s America

[Goofyboy 3,249]

The military not being beholden to the President might actually come to a head. Leaders of the military might stand up to Trump at some point. They swear their oath to the constitution. Start bullshit treason stuff against military folks and that might not go well.

This is going to be a shit show.

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

39 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wait wut?  The withdrawal that he blamed on Biden?  

It's a pretext to fuck over Milley.  

I realize the legal system may be precarious at this point, but I'm hoping it holds long enough to keep these fuckers at bay.

And, there's that damn pesky definition of treason coming to the rescue again.

Also UCMJ does not contain a crime of treason.  It has mutiny for rebellion against military authority and sedition for civil authority.  Neither of which would apply here.

Edited 17 hours ago by TwiceHorn

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20 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Lots blame it on Biden. As if Doha accords and that little thing like wanting to invite the Taliban to camp david never happened.

 

5D chess 

[tx 3 putt 76,600]

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,380]

9 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

I realize the legal system may be precarious at this point

“May?”

[Brisketexan 104,791]

“May?”

Yeah…as someone who has had to materially adjust his entire professional approach to account for “I know what the law says, but they’re gonna do whatever Newsmax tells em to”….sing it, brother.

[softlynow 1,798]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“May?”

It’s still sending poor non-violent offenders to prison for long stretches, and doing nothing* to set them on a better path after release so it’s still working as intended. 

*Well, they do wring as much money out of they families through privatized phone services and commissary sales of luxuries like soap and toothbrushes, so they are learning that corporations are their masters and that trying to better themselves is likely futile, so they do get a better real world education than their crumbling public school could manage. 

[Bookman 4,626]

I'm all in at this point. MAGA baby. Tax cuts for the rich! Let oil companies pollute all they want! Deport all the brown people! Let's put Jesus back in the schools! Total power for the executive branch!

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

1 minute ago, softlynow said:

It’s still sending poor non-violent offenders to prison for long stretches, and doing nothing* to set them on a better path after release so it’s still working as intended. 

*Well, they do wring as much money out of they families through privatized phone services and commissary sales of luxuries like soap and toothbrushes, so they are learning that corporations are their masters and that trying to better themselves is likely futile, so they do get a better real world education than their crumbling public school could manage. 

That's the status quo ante.  And that's not the legal system, that's more at the feet of the legislative branch.  

And, like it or not, the legal system was working as intended w/r/to Trump.  Those pesky due process things SHOULD work just fine for the actually innocent who are suffering political prosecution.

This board is going to become big fans of official immunity and motions to dismiss indictments as politically motivated.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,380]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's the status quo ante.  And that's not the legal system, that's more at the feet of the legislative branch.  

And, like it or not, the legal system was working as intended w/r/to Trump.  Those pesky due process things SHOULD work just fine for the actually innocent who are suffering political prosecution.

This board is going to become big fans of official immunity and motions to dismiss indictments as politically motivated.

Anatole France was right about the bread. Here's why that's a good thing.

- Twicehorn

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

One thing we have learned (and lawdogs already knew) is that the system is slow.  It's not just Trump that can drag things out.

So, one might expect any cases brought to linger out well past the midterms and very likely until the end of Trump's term.  This will apply to political persecutions as well as other things.

The "inefficiency" or deliberativeness of American government and justice is likely to make things rather difficult for Trump and his sycophants, at least in the early going.

[Pato del Muerto 52,397]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing we have learned (and lawdogs already knew) is that the system is slow.  It's not just Trump that can drag things out.

So, one might expect any cases brought to linger out well past the midterms and very likely until the end of Trump's term.  This will apply to political persecutions as well as other things.

The "inefficiency" or deliberativeness of American government and justice is likely to make things rather difficult for Trump and his sycophants, at least in the early going.

These other folks have 70 million people bankrolling them to whatever attorney costs they wish to incur?

[Sawbonz 27,468]

37 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

the system is slow

The system was slow. What have you seen from this bunch that makes you think the system still applies?

[Thatguy 8,585]

53 pages and we still aren't two weeks removed yet

[David Dennison 18,759]

7 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

The system was slow. What have you seen from this bunch that makes you think the system still applies?

They aren't magic.

[softlynow 1,798]

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They aren't magic.

Neither is the about to be moot Constitution. 

Power and the will to use it make everything but sufficient power and will to resist irrelevant. The only group situated to resist are Dems. Keep pretending we aren’t completely fucked if it makes you feel better. 

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

These other folks have 70 million people bankrolling them to whatever attorney costs they wish to incur?

You actually don't have to spend that much money to invoke your rights and delay the system.  Most especially when your assertions of rights have merit.

Where it gets expensive is when your assertions are mostly utter bullshit and you have to assert every single one, no matter how farfetched or trivial.

[Biff Tannen 45,578]

Gotta admire Twice’s commitment in the face of reality. 

[Captainant 27,521]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Where it gets expensive is when your assertions are mostly utter bullshit and you have to assert every single one, no matter how farfetched or trivial.

Unless you've packed the judiciary with sympathetic judges who don't give a shit about facts or evidence or precedent 

[Chopper 17,192]

14 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

The military not being beholden to the President might actually come to a head. Leaders of the military might stand up to Trump at some point. They swear their oath to the constitution. Start bullshit treason stuff against military folks and that might not go well.

This is going to be a shit show.

Or they may just resign from the military. Which is the likely goal - make sure all the leaders are loyal to the fascists. 

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

13 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Unless you've packed the judiciary with sympathetic judges who don't give a shit about facts or evidence or precedent 

Even still.  Criminal venue is narrow.  It's going to be hard/impossible to venue any of these cases in Amarillo or Fort Pierce.  It takes time to get to the Supreme Court, no matter what.

The shoe is about to be on the other foot.

Edited 3 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[Bozo_Casanova 26,380]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing we have learned (and lawdogs already knew) is that the system is slow.  It's not just Trump that can drag things out.

Exactly. The majesty of our legal system is that any very rich and powerful person can act with impunity.

Edited 2 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 26,380]

27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Unless you've packed the judiciary with sympathetic judges who don't give a shit about facts or evidence or precedent 

If only there were some sort of professional association that could oversee and weed out unethical legal practitioners before they were appointed to the bench.

[David Dennison 18,759]

1 hour ago, softlynow said:

Neither is the about to be moot Constitution. 

Power and the will to use it make everything but sufficient power and will to resist irrelevant. The only group situated to resist are Dems. Keep pretending we aren’t completely fucked if it makes you feel better. 

Do you think you're completely fucked?

[Bullneck 19,036]

 

[InkaUtexas 25,611]

4 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

 

He is one of our representatives. let that sink in.

[wildcat09 29,307]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing we have learned (and lawdogs already knew) is that the system is slow.  It's not just Trump that can drag things out.

So, one might expect any cases brought to linger out well past the midterms and very likely until the end of Trump's term.  This will apply to political persecutions as well as other things.

The "inefficiency" or deliberativeness of American government and justice is likely to make things rather difficult for Trump and his sycophants, at least in the early going.

Bookmarking this for your future post 2-3 years from now where you're like "yeah everyone knew or should've known that political prosecutions would be shockingly fast." 

Edited 1 hour ago by wildcat09

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22 hours ago, G650 said:

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I'm openly antagnostic to the middle class, have been for a long time. They have enabled the rise of people like Elon Musk while keeping poor Americans poorer.

 

Interestingly enough when you use descriptives of who you are thinking of in terms of these voting blocks, you never describe middle class people.

This you?

 

[Chopper 17,192]

I don't know that a conviction of any single individual is the end goal as much as using the government to attack them, harm them mentally, and drive them towards bankruptcy due to attorney fees, plus the resulting silence or acquiescence from the public who'd want to avoid that type of retribution. 

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

50 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I don't know that a conviction of any single individual is the end goal as much as using the government to attack them, harm them mentally, and drive them towards bankruptcy due to attorney fees, plus the resulting silence or acquiescence from the public who'd want to avoid that type of retribution. 

Yeah, the rap/ride problem persists.  This guy thinks Biden ought to pardon them all. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/11/presidential-pardon-trump-critics/680627/

[TwiceHorn 31,360]

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[UpperWestside 6,143]

On 11/16/2024 at 2:38 PM, Captainant said:

Price gouging is a hell of a thing, man

I see price gouging in grocery stores here that is just incredible. 18 dollars for a frozen pizza just makes me laugh. I can go to a chain pizza place and get two pizzas cheaper than that.

[Chad Fuck 17,593]

I don't know that a conviction of any single individual is the end goal as much as using the government to attack them, harm them mentally, and drive them towards bankruptcy due to attorney fees, plus the resulting silence or acquiescence from the public who'd want to avoid that type of retribution. 

This is the goal.

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

I don't know that a conviction of any single individual is the end goal as much as using the government to attack them, harm them mentally, and drive them towards bankruptcy due to attorney fees, plus the resulting silence or acquiescence from the public who'd want to avoid that type of retribution. 

He also thrives on conflict and on inflicting persistent unease on the American public.  Dragging out cases and engaging in a constant drip of successes versus setbacks in a long-running war against internal “enemies” deflects from what will be a complete failure to actually deliver anything and allows him to continue to posture as the outsider eternally in conflict with ever shifting deep staters and globalists.  It will look a lot like Orban or Erdogan than Putin. 

[InkaUtexas 25,611]

Toss in a bit of Maduro and Lukashenko as his long term goals. Complete power, but hidden in his palace.

And our elections will look like theirs.

Edited 26 minutes ago by InkaUtexas

[UpperWestside 6,143]

17 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

The military not being beholden to the President might actually come to a head. Leaders of the military might stand up to Trump at some point. They swear their oath to the constitution. Start bullshit treason stuff against military folks and that might not go well.

This is going to be a shit show.

I am a very ardent supporter of the people in our military. I believe they take that oath they took to the Constitution seriously. Push comes to shove I am of the belief that our military will tell him to kick rocks on harming American citizens. For me the historical perspective comes from looking at how the Japanese were sworn to protect the Emperor. Not the people, but the Emperor and their honor first. It was not an oath to a document of ideas for the country. It was an oath to defend their Emperor to their very last breath and then it was off to Yasukuni Shrine. 

[Bullneck 19,036]