Trump’s America

[David Dennison 19315]

23 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

Sadly, I don't give a fuck anymore.

[CO Horn 171]

14 hours ago, Pancho said:

Huh?

Well if Mexico and Canada become states they will definitely be blue and the Electoral College will flip.

[Biff Tannen 45952]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

 

Yes THIS will be the thing that makes them finally realize. I’m sure of it. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:16 AM by Biff Tannen

[BevoAbyss 2135]

What is Trump's America?

According to Jane Goodall, we're seeing the rise of the Planet of the Apes!  

FYI: Jane Goodall's utterly revolutionary research with apes makes her easily Top 5 among most important scientists of the 20th Century.

Published in the Washington Post on election day 2024.

________________

By  Jane Goodall

November 5, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EST

Jane Goodall has spent nearly 65 years studying the social and family interactions of wild chimpanzees. She is the founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and a United Nations messenger of peace.

If you are younger than 80, you likely have not seen war on your home soil. The rare period of relative peace and prosperity enjoyed by recent generations is similar to the time of accord that existed among the chimpanzee communities of the Gombe Stream Research Center in Tanzania when I arrived to begin my study in 1960. I saw the chimpanzees in “our” community using and making tools and greeting one another with kisses and embraces. I saw close bonds among family members, enduring friendships, infants learning through observation, and examples of true altruism. I came to believe that the chimpanzees, with whom we humans share 98.6 percent of our DNA, were so like us, but rather nicer.

My awakening to the chimps’ dark side began in 1970, when one of our researchers observed a brutal attack by a group of our males on a female of a neighboring chimpanzee community. They hit and stamped on her and even seized and killed her infant. The violence was instigated by the alpha Humphrey, whom I and other researchers referred to as something of a psychopath because he had been abusive to females in his own community.

In 1974, our chimp community divided in two, splitting territory that once was shared. This marked the beginning of a series of savage attacks by males of the northern, larger group, led by Humphrey, on males and adult females in the south. From 1974 to 1977, we witnessed the northern males commit what among humans would be called atrocities, including cupping and drinking the blood pouring from the nose of one victim, ripping strips of flesh from another and attempted dismembering. Particularly distressing was seeing one of the males, Rodolf, stand upright to hurl a four-pound rock at young Godi’s prostrate body, and Figan charge and hit, again and again, the mortally wounded, quivering Goliath, who had been his childhood hero.

Virtually all mammals have primal, aggressive drives — mostly linked to survival. However, virtually everywhere they have been observed, the chimps — our closest animal cousins, with brains that are smaller but structurally identical to ours, and who are capable of reasoned thought, abstraction and generalization — also commit deliberate atrocities and exhibit cruelty.

Our species observably shares this dark side. But because of the explosive development of human intellect, ours can be far worse than the chimpanzees’. We have devised and deployed weapons that can inflict massive-scale death and extinguish human civilization.

For the survival of our species, the better aspects of our intellect have also developed sophisticated methods of controlling our aggressive behavior, and of resolving territorial and other conflicts through debate and dialogue — at the ballot box, in the halls of a congress or parliament, or around a negotiating table. Our differences have many times been resolved through cooperation, and our violent conduct constrained by the guardrails put in place with the rule of law. It has not worked in every case. But where democracy has flourished, war has receded.

Living among us today are human versions of Humphrey, alphas who would unravel this progress, to rule us and send us into conflict to feed their lust for power and wealth. As the Gombe chimps formed political coalitions to support an alpha male, wealthy and powerful humans support such leaders in hopes of benefiting materially under a violent and even cruel leader.

I was recently given Mary Wald’s new book, “Sowing Hate and Chaos: How Propaganda Is Used to Destroy Democracy.” In the foreword, Nobel Peace Prize laureate and President of Timor-Leste José Ramos-Horta reiterates that an end to civil discourse and dialogue sets the stage for civil conflict, and calls Wald’s book “an invaluable exposé of psychological techniques that have been used to manipulate populations into just that — an end to the argument, an end to democracy, and a violent end to rights and freedoms.”

According to French neuropsychiatrist Roger Mucchielli and other psychologists mentioned in the book, purposely aggravating the primitive drives among humans, or “lighting the fires of these ‘exploitable feelings,’ can create emotional reactions deep enough to cause the person to act in ways he or she would not otherwise act. Knowing how to do this allows someone to direct another’s behavior. And it can be done without the person even knowing it is being done.” Among the techniques they describe is painting false realities around groups and populations to purposely stimulate fear of imminent destruction of one’s family and community by “others,” stimulating the same instinctual aggression that drove horrific violence in the Gombe chimps.

“Sowing Hate and Chaos” cites four instances of these manipulative techniques being used to incite wars and genocides of the past century, by leaders who can only be described as psychopathic and who used the resulting chaos to rise to power. The chimps’ aggression brought death and suffering to only a few individuals; the pernicious use of mass manipulation of these primal human drives has led to the deaths of millions of people.

I believe that, like our chimpanzee cousins, most people are decent and peace-loving. If we hope to ensure for following generations the peaceful existence many of us have enjoyed, we need leaders and active citizens in all levels of our societies who will stimulate the compassionate and cooperative instincts we share with other primates, who encourage us to find the best in ourselves and work together to tackle the formidable problems we face.

TLDR: The original 1968 version of Planet of the Apes is proving philosophically prophetic. Anti-science idiocy, denial of evolution, violent domination, the social devolution, a future in reverse. It's happening ...  fast. 

Edited Tuesday at 11:05 AM by BevoAbyss

[hookem2010 2675]

Question: My wife was born in the US to a non-citizen, although I believe she was here legally. She was adopted right after birth. How much should we be personally worried about this birthright citizenship bullshit?

[hookem2010 2675]

Currently a citizen herself, obviously. But is there any way in this fucked up country that they would attempt to revoke citizenship?

[Longhorn_Fan68 34046]

7 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Question: My wife was born in the US to a non-citizen, although I believe she was here legally. She was adopted right after birth. How much should we be personally worried about this birthright citizenship bullshit?

 

Just now, hookem2010 said:

Currently a citizen herself, obviously. But is there any way in this fucked up country that they would attempt to revoke citizenship?

none of us know at this point. it could be a lot of bluster or they could be serious. might want to start doing some prepping just in case. 

[TexasHooch 5162]

4 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Question: My wife was born in the US to a non-citizen, although I believe she was here legally. She was adopted right after birth. How much should we be personally worried about this birthright citizenship bullshit?

Short answer?

[mdmost 43723]

I'd recommend she keep a copy of her passport on hand at all times. 

[CooterBrown 18244]

46 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Currently a citizen herself, obviously. But is there any way in this fucked up country that they would attempt to revoke citizenship?

If you're a glass half full kind of guy, think of it as an opportunity to upgrade the wife.

If you're a glass half empty kind of guy, you may get prison for aiding and abetting an illegal alien. 

 

[Pancho 45941]

In turnips America, Moscow Mitch is in a wheelchair 

 

[Hermanator 7519]

10 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

What is Trump's America?

According to Jane Goodall, we're seeing the rise of the Planet of the Apes!  

FYI: Jane Goodall's utterly revolutionary research with apes makes her easily Top 5 among most important scientists of the 20th Century.

Published in the Washington Post on election day 2024.

________________

By  Jane Goodall

November 5, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EST

Jane Goodall has spent nearly 65 years studying the social and family interactions of wild chimpanzees. She is the founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and a United Nations messenger of peace.

If you are younger than 80, you likely have not seen war on your home soil. The rare period of relative peace and prosperity enjoyed by recent generations is similar to the time of accord that existed among the chimpanzee communities of the Gombe Stream Research Center in Tanzania when I arrived to begin my study in 1960. I saw the chimpanzees in “our” community using and making tools and greeting one another with kisses and embraces. I saw close bonds among family members, enduring friendships, infants learning through observation, and examples of true altruism. I came to believe that the chimpanzees, with whom we humans share 98.6 percent of our DNA, were so like us, but rather nicer.

My awakening to the chimps’ dark side began in 1970, when one of our researchers observed a brutal attack by a group of our males on a female of a neighboring chimpanzee community. They hit and stamped on her and even seized and killed her infant. The violence was instigated by the alpha Humphrey, whom I and other researchers referred to as something of a psychopath because he had been abusive to females in his own community.

In 1974, our chimp community divided in two, splitting territory that once was shared. This marked the beginning of a series of savage attacks by males of the northern, larger group, led by Humphrey, on males and adult females in the south. From 1974 to 1977, we witnessed the northern males commit what among humans would be called atrocities, including cupping and drinking the blood pouring from the nose of one victim, ripping strips of flesh from another and attempted dismembering. Particularly distressing was seeing one of the males, Rodolf, stand upright to hurl a four-pound rock at young Godi’s prostrate body, and Figan charge and hit, again and again, the mortally wounded, quivering Goliath, who had been his childhood hero.

Virtually all mammals have primal, aggressive drives — mostly linked to survival. However, virtually everywhere they have been observed, the chimps — our closest animal cousins, with brains that are smaller but structurally identical to ours, and who are capable of reasoned thought, abstraction and generalization — also commit deliberate atrocities and exhibit cruelty.

Our species observably shares this dark side. But because of the explosive development of human intellect, ours can be far worse than the chimpanzees’. We have devised and deployed weapons that can inflict massive-scale death and extinguish human civilization.

For the survival of our species, the better aspects of our intellect have also developed sophisticated methods of controlling our aggressive behavior, and of resolving territorial and other conflicts through debate and dialogue — at the ballot box, in the halls of a congress or parliament, or around a negotiating table. Our differences have many times been resolved through cooperation, and our violent conduct constrained by the guardrails put in place with the rule of law. It has not worked in every case. But where democracy has flourished, war has receded.

Living among us today are human versions of Humphrey, alphas who would unravel this progress, to rule us and send us into conflict to feed their lust for power and wealth. As the Gombe chimps formed political coalitions to support an alpha male, wealthy and powerful humans support such leaders in hopes of benefiting materially under a violent and even cruel leader.

I was recently given Mary Wald’s new book, “Sowing Hate and Chaos: How Propaganda Is Used to Destroy Democracy.” In the foreword, Nobel Peace Prize laureate and President of Timor-Leste José Ramos-Horta reiterates that an end to civil discourse and dialogue sets the stage for civil conflict, and calls Wald’s book “an invaluable exposé of psychological techniques that have been used to manipulate populations into just that — an end to the argument, an end to democracy, and a violent end to rights and freedoms.”

According to French neuropsychiatrist Roger Mucchielli and other psychologists mentioned in the book, purposely aggravating the primitive drives among humans, or “lighting the fires of these ‘exploitable feelings,’ can create emotional reactions deep enough to cause the person to act in ways he or she would not otherwise act. Knowing how to do this allows someone to direct another’s behavior. And it can be done without the person even knowing it is being done.” Among the techniques they describe is painting false realities around groups and populations to purposely stimulate fear of imminent destruction of one’s family and community by “others,” stimulating the same instinctual aggression that drove horrific violence in the Gombe chimps.

“Sowing Hate and Chaos” cites four instances of these manipulative techniques being used to incite wars and genocides of the past century, by leaders who can only be described as psychopathic and who used the resulting chaos to rise to power. The chimps’ aggression brought death and suffering to only a few individuals; the pernicious use of mass manipulation of these primal human drives has led to the deaths of millions of people.

I believe that, like our chimpanzee cousins, most people are decent and peace-loving. If we hope to ensure for following generations the peaceful existence many of us have enjoyed, we need leaders and active citizens in all levels of our societies who will stimulate the compassionate and cooperative instincts we share with other primates, who encourage us to find the best in ourselves and work together to tackle the formidable problems we face.

TLDR: The original 1968 version of Planet of the Apes is proving philosophically prophetic. Anti-science idiocy, denial of evolution, violent domination, the social devolution, a future in reverse. It's happening ...  fast. 

And these republican mongoloids still don't want to believe in evolution.

It's so transparent it's embarrassingly dimwitted and stupid to fall for it. Especially from a clown like trump. But the majority of humans are nothing more than slightly elevated chimps, wallowing day to day in their own pity and self victimhood, completely unaware of a higher level of conscious existence. Just pawns waiting to be manipulated. 

[BillyBadAss 196]

3 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

Currently a citizen herself, obviously. But is there any way in this fucked up country that they would attempt to revoke citizenship?

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution, 14th amendment. You should not be worried at all.

[wildcat09 29509]

1 minute ago, BillyBadAss said:

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution, 14th amendment. You should not be worried at all.

And there are at least 3 SCOTUS justices (and many lower court judges) who would rule that children of illegal immigrants are excepted from that due to the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" language and will soon have a case to review. 

The bigger concern, though, is that we already deport citizens "by mistake."  Scaling up deportations will scale up wrongful deportations as well, and they'll likely become a larger percentage of total deportations when ICE officials are implicitly told that they won't be reprimanded for doing so. 

[DDD Dad 14542]

4 hours ago, mdmost said:

I'd recommend she keep a copy of her passport on hand at all times. 

Hell, depending on her country of origin he might look into what's required for his own citizenship or residency status there.

[RDCanecutter 26772]

4 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

Question: My wife was born in the US to a non-citizen, although I believe she was here legally. She was adopted right after birth. How much should we be personally worried about this birthright citizenship bullshit?

Keep bribe money handy. Cash, not card.

[Brisketexan 106287]

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution, 14th amendment. You should not be worried at all.

They want to void the 14th because they contend it wasn’t properly ratified (the former confederate states were “under duress”). I am not kidding.

[RDCanecutter 26772]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They want to void the 14th because they contend it wasn’t properly ratified (the former confederate states were “under duress”). I am not kidding.

I descend from half the Confederate Army, and even I think that's weasely.

[Brisketexan 106287]

57 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I descend from half the Confederate Army, and even I think that's weasely.

Perhaps you missed the memo...."weasely" is the new "patriotic."

Oh....and realize that also means that the 13th Amendment is not valid, either.  And yes, they support kicking that one out too.  

MAKE SLAVERY GREAT AGAIN.

[Snake Diggity 4678]

https://www.newsweek.com/birth-rate-population-timebomb-education-project-2025-1998690
 

“We need less education to avoid demographic collapse” is quite the platform.  Fuck me running.

[TwiceHorn 31869]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

And there are at least 3 SCOTUS justices (and many lower court judges) who would rule that children of illegal immigrants are excepted from that due to the "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" language and will soon have a case to review. 

The bigger concern, though, is that we already deport citizens "by mistake."  Scaling up deportations will scale up wrongful deportations as well, and they'll likely become a larger percentage of total deportations when ICE officials are implicitly told that they won't be reprimanded for doing so. 

Think how fucking hard it is to gather the shit to renew a Texas DL.  Most of that is citizenship and residency related.  And right now, they take a birth certificate as evidence of citizenship.  If being born here no longer counts, then  . . . . .

[mchookem 16685]

25 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

https://www.newsweek.com/birth-rate-population-timebomb-education-project-2025-1998690
 

“We need less education to avoid demographic collapse” is quite the platform.  Fuck me running.

 

[mchookem 16685]

i mean i'm pretty sure the entire fucking earth would benefit tremendously if there were fewer but smarter humans. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26718]

Just now, mchookem said:

i mean i'm pretty sure the entire fucking earth would benefit tremendously if there were fewer but smarter humans. 

Two men enter, one man leaves

[Leeroy Jenkins 2452]

So Trump’s tariff threat to Canada is apparently causing concern up here ( currently up here for work).  Looks like people are freaking out and there are moves being made to work on improving the monitoring and patrol of the northern boarder.  

[Chad Fuck 18034]

https://www.newsweek.com/birth-rate-population-timebomb-education-project-2025-1998690
 
“We need less education to avoid demographic collapse” is quite the platform.  Fuck me running.

I don’t think “overconsumption of schooling” is really the problem we have.

[TwiceHorn 31869]

Just now, Chad Fuck said:

I don’t think “overconsumption of schooling” is really the problem we have.

I think what it probably is is that seeking education, by and large, means delaying gratification.  And that, then, leads to more rational choices, which may actually reduce the welfare state.

[Bookman 4753]

44 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So Trump’s tariff threat to Canada is apparently causing concern up here ( currently up here for work).  Looks like people are freaking out and there are moves being made to work on improving the monitoring and patrol of the northern boarder.  

"up here"? Are you in Dallas or something? 

[Biff Tannen 45952]

1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

So Trump’s tariff threat to Canada is apparently causing concern up here ( currently up here for work).  Looks like people are freaking out and there are moves being made to work on improving the monitoring and patrol of the northern boarder.  

Yeah, I mentioned it in another thread, but the GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO took out an ad during a football game the other day begging Americans to realize they are a big trading partner of ours and to not fuck over that relationship. It was wild. 

[Chad Fuck 18034]

I think what it probably is is that seeking education, by and large, means delaying gratification.  And that, then, leads to more rational choices, which may actually reduce the welfare state.

I could’ve said all that. And it would not have entertained me nearly as much as what I did say.

But yes all true.

[Leeroy Jenkins 2452]

35 minutes ago, Bookman said:

"up here"? Are you in Dallas or something? 

I am currently in Ottawa.  

[DDD Dad 14542]

20 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

I am currently in Ottawa.  

You misspelled Oklahoma. 

[Willfully Horn 8155]

Current, and future, shit show brought to you by our Republican voting ass-sucks.

[RDCanecutter 26772]

I dunno, over-education helped me waste some years when I could have been actually going to the places I studied maybe 20 years earlier than I did, have 3 or 4 wives who didn't know about each other kicking out babies on the reg, and of course I'd die young from stress so there's that too.

[tx 3 putt 78275]

8 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution, 14th amendment. You should not be worried at all.

 

they want to deport anchor babies 

[mchookem 16685]

4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, I mentioned it in another thread, but the GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO took out an ad during a football game the other day begging Americans to realize they are a big trading partner of ours and to not fuck over that relationship. It was wild. 

i mean bless their hearts, but...what exactly do they expect 'Americans' to do about it now? it's kinda too late, eh. the shitass won, the inmates are running the place now (possibly for good), they're gonna do whatever the fuck they want to do to whoever the fuck they want to do it to, both inside and outside our borders. sorry my bros but the rest of us literally can't do anything about it anymore. 

 

[Underdog 29004]

How soon till his birthday is deemed a National holiday? 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13628]

3 hours ago, Underdog said:

How soon till his birthday is deemed a National holiday? 

as soon as Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks to propose it. What Republican would actually vote against it even the few who thought it was a mistake.

[aggie08 21680]

There's going to be statues in no less than a half dozen states. Mark it down.

[Brisketexan 106287]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

There's going to be statues in no less than a half dozen states. Mark it down.

Including Texas.  Hell, it may be done during this upcoming legislative session.

[Pancho 45941]

The worst part will be schools named after turnip

[MissingInAction 25427]

18 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution, 14th amendment. You should not be worried at all.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34046]

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

The worst part will be schools named after turnip

lol, wait till it becomes the DJT National Education System and every school is named DJT High School #9707

[wood 11702]

 

[YChang 3525]

Well fuck you Mitch, there was something you coulda done about this

[Brisketexan 106287]

1 minute ago, wood said:

 

Fuck you, you stupid fucking motherfucker.  You had the chance to put a stop to this.  You had a fucking DUTY to do so, a duty imposed by the Constitution establishing the Senate as a failsafe, and you actively SABOTAGED it.  You don't get to sink the fucking ship and then decry the lack of lifeboats, you craven treasonous lump of shit.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34046]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck you, you stupid fucking motherfucker.  You had the chance to put a stop to this.  You had a fucking DUTY to do so, a duty imposed by the Constitution establishing the Senate as a failsafe, and you actively SABOTAGED it.  You don't get to sink the fucking ship and then decry the lack of lifeboats, you craven treasonous lump of shit.

I think a better analogy is he removed the regulations for lifeboats and now everyone is looking at him as to why there are no lifeboats on the sinking ship.

[Walser 1115]

Would it be accurate to describe our incoming govt the love child of oligarchy and kakistocracy? Did Russia actually win the Cold War?

[TexArcher 38784]

Oh, now you're gonna fight back.  Cool.  Just in time.

[BillyBadAss 196]

The guy was asking if he should be worried if his wife might have her citizenship revoked. Some of you seriously believe that's a worry? Seems hyperbolic.

I realize who/what we are dealing with in the incoming administration, but there is soooo much more lower hanging fruit than trying to peel back well established parts of the constitution - especially to apply retroactively. And if we get to that point, there are larger worries. 

To boot, the guy is married to this woman - pretty easy to gain residency and citizenship via marriage anyway. There are plenty of things to worry about right now, but I don't think that poster needs to seriously worry about his citizen wife being abruptly deported, personally.