Trump’s America

[Rex Kramer 1535]

25 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Dammit. Here I go again agreeing with you. 
 

With age and experience one can only hope Quinn will learn. Hell. I did. 
 

im gonna cut these college boys/men some slack. They’re a product of their parents. Quinn grew up in fucking Southlake and went to Carroll. That’s gonna take some time to outgrow. 

I grew up in Westlake and live in HP. All someone has to do is a) have some life experience and b) open their eyes. 

6 minutes ago, safe sex said:

I've been cutting straight young white men slack my whole fucking life, and all I've gotten from it are lost rights and a threatened existence

I won’t try and pretend to know your life, but I won’t apologize for what I and more importantly Quinn didn’t do. Hatred begets hatred. 

[royiv 9777]

Wearing the name of a politician as part of your suit is weird. 

[Bookman 4758]

2 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Quinn could eat cats with J.D. Vance and party with Don Jr and Elon for all I care as long as he wins football games.  

Eating cats is a bit much. 

[TwiceHorn 32072]

3 hours ago, Stros121 said:

 

Quinn is a dufus for

a) unironically wearing a tie bar in the year of our Lord 2024; and

b) a tie bar with anyone's name on it;  that it's Trump just takes it to 11.

And, it's not really surprising that doltish 18-22 year-olds vote Trump.  The distressing part is the actual grown adults.

[Sawbonz 28202]

24 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Eating cats is a bit much. 

 

[Anastasis 23716]

Yall wilding in here lol. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

I've been cutting straight young white men slack my whole fucking life, and all I've gotten from it are lost rights and a threatened existence

I understand what you’re saying. It’s certainly true that their identity has been a lever to separate you from your rights, and even though they haven’t gained anything from your loss, your loss is real and more existential than theirs. 

But (and I’m not defending anybody here) it’s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of straight young white men have worse prospects and a more impoverished existence on almost every level than you do. And unless people like you can find the empathy to separate the pimps from the tricks, you’re going to wind up contributing to your own marginalization, or at best not making it better.

Edited 10 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[safe sex 11986]

51 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I grew up in Westlake and live in HP. All someone has to do is a) have some life experience and b) open their eyes. 

I won’t try and pretend to know your life, but I won’t apologize for what I and more importantly Quinn didn’t do. Hatred begets hatred. 

No one asked you to. 

[DDD Dad 14644]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Yall wilding in here lol. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13725]

Has a president-elect ever had as many losses as Trump has experienced the past few weeks?  He may be looked at as lame duck before he is even inaugurated.

[safe sex 11986]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But (and I’m not defending anybody here) it’s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of straight young white men have worse prospects and a more impoverished existence on almost every level than you do. And unless people like you can find the empathy to separate the pimps from the tricks, you’re going to wind up contributing to your own marginalization, or at best not making it better.

Why do you think I continue to cut them slack? I'm not stupid. This is a message board. 

One of the very few things keeping me above SOME young white men is my nursing degree, which is something literally almost every one of them could achieve if they were willing to do "women's" work. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

5 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Why do you think I continue to cut them slack? I'm not stupid. This is a message board. 

One of the very few things keeping me above SOME young white men is my nursing degree, which is something literally almost every one of them could achieve if they were willing to do "women's" work. 

Not above *some,* and not the degree per se. Your profession, the mobility snd options it affords you, and the talent and work it took to enter and succeed in it keeps you above almost *all* of them.
It’s really  important to remember that. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[Rex Kramer 1535]

48 minutes ago, safe sex said:

No one asked you to. 

Good. Now, stop calling a kid you don’t know a piece of shit. Particularly one tied in a very high profile fashion to the university to purport to support. 

[Anastasis 23716]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

young white men

Everybody has to start out somewhere. 

[Rex Kramer 1535]

46 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Why do you think I continue to cut them slack? I'm not stupid. This is a message board. 

One of the very few things keeping me above SOME young white men is my nursing degree, which is something literally almost every one of them could achieve if they were willing to do "women's" work. 

@GreenspointTexas

[Pato del Muerto 53454]

2 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Dammit. Here I go again agreeing with you. 
 

With age and experience one can only hope Quinn will learn. Hell. I did. 
 

im gonna cut these college boys/men some slack. They’re a product of their parents. Quinn grew up in fucking Southlake and went to Carroll. That’s gonna take some time to outgrow. 

When I was going to school in grapevine, southlake was a 3a school farm town.  May as well have been watauga. This nouveau riche southlake shit is ridiculous. 
 

and, a little gold tie clip with the name embossed is subtle. It’s not like he wore the hat or waved the flag around. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Pato del Muerto

[safe sex 11986]

48 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Not above *some.* Your profession and the talent and work it took to enter and succeed in it keeps you above almost *all* of them.
It’s really  important to remember that. 

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with "almost all." I've had more than one nursing anesthesia program head/counselor tell me that I'm too queer for the field; that they would not be able to protect me from bigots in their departments and schools and communities; and that while I'm talented, smart, and hard working, I am not extraordinarily so, and I would simply not stand out among the deluge of applications that schools in safe areas of the country for me receive. And that is exactly what I experienced over the last three years of applying to CRNA school. Didn't even get an interview. And the program head (U of Tulsa) that first broke that news to me was forced out by the university because she was trying really hard to admit more students from minority backgrounds. That was the semester she wanted to admit me. Lol

Do you have any idea how many mediocre white men in nursing anesthesia there are? Much less within the body of physicians? No offense, @GreenspointTexas and any white docs on the board, but from my years in trauma, it's a pretty solid percentage. 

Things are looking up for mediocre white men and those coming after the current batch

God give me the self-confidence of a mediocre white man. Can you imagine where I could be if I didn't have a crushing amount of self-doubt because of a society that has told me over and over throughout my life that it doesn't matter how good I am at anything, or how hard I work at something, there are parts of my core self—my very being—that do. not. belong. 

But whatever. There isn't a fruitful conversation to be had here. We're not really at odds. Nothing personal, Bozo—you're one of the good ones—but I'm tired. I will never support any policy that would materially harm young white men; will never vote for any candidate that targets them; will never call them slurs while walking on the street; will never mock them for showing vulnerability; will never body shame them; will never sexually assault them in clubs; will never rape them

It'd be nice of them to return the favor 

(Not all young white men®)

[Okie State 3889]

5 hours ago, Stros121 said:

 

What a fucking dork. No offense.

[safe sex 11986]

Lmao Quinn is a public figure who has made more money over the last few years than I have ever made. He can take it. He doesn't give a fuck, I promise. I'm glad he played well today. 

Will you feel better if I say that his political beliefs make him look like a piece of shit? Is that enough of a distinction without a difference for you, Rex? 

[safe sex 11986]

Young white men could solve both the nursing shortage crisis and the nursing pay crisis sigh

Come on, dudes!

Edited 9 hours ago by safe sex

[YChang 3566]

Seriously… he’s not some innocent naive with decisions like that. I mean there can be multiple truths right? So fuck his political choices AND I hope for his continued success in this CFP for the team’s sake. 

[safe sex 11986]

Ric Flair is a scumbag piece of shit of the highest order but I'll be damned if he isn't the greatest professional wrestler of all time

[Anastasis 23716]

Case studies on generational differences in locus of control. 

[David Dennison 19519]

A white boy from Southlake supports Donald Trump?

I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When I was going to school in grapevine, southlake was a 3a school farm town.  May as well have been watauga.

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[David Dennison 19519]

31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

When I was going to school in grapevine, southlake was a 3a school farm town.  May as well have been watauga. This nouveau riche southlake shit is ridiculous. 
 

and, a little gold tie clip with the name embossed is subtle. It’s not like he wore the hat or waved the flag around. 

New money is . . . 

[Pato del Muerto 53454]

Stuck the fucking ending bro. 

[TwiceHorn 32072]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

Yeah, there's something kind of pernicious about these latter-day D-FW exurbs.  I guess its those with new money get in early on a fancy subdivision before it really takes off, then some bigger money comes in for various reasons (proximity to the airport for Southlake), including familiarity with it as a trashy burb in its prior existence.  And then the worst characteristics of both new and old money, rural dipshits and more urbane privileged, mix and amplify.

Also, you got around.

Edited 9 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[Disco Strangler 1914]

18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Summer before I came to UT I dated a 17 year old from Watauga who danced at Wild Orchid and Babydolls, and she was gorgeous. Stunning. I mean, she looked like a blond cross between Ava Gardner and Traci Lords.
Unfortunately, she had had a very, very hard adolescence. She was basically a sweet, goofy girl who was processing a lot of trauma with no support, loved animals and really wanted to reconcile with her mom, which she did that summer and when I left for Austin I hoped things would get better for her.
Recently I looked her up on Facebook and it seems like her life didn’t  turn out very well- substance abuse, violence, troubled relationships, health issues, etc. She’s probably heavier than she was by 75 pounds, missing several teeth and also apparently involved in some pyramid supplement and life coaching type businesses. I hate to say so, but it’s embarrassing stuff.

Anyway, this was 1992 but I remember she looked down on Southlake kids. 

What’s her number?  I can fix her.  

Edited 8 hours ago by Disco Strangler

[Captainant 28509]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I understand what you’re saying. It’s certainly true that their identity has been a lever to separate you from your rights, and even though they haven’t gained anything from your loss, your loss is real and more existential than theirs. 

But (and I’m not defending anybody here) it’s important to keep in mind that the vast majority of straight young white men have worse prospects and a more impoverished existence on almost every level than you do. And unless people like you can find the empathy to separate the pimps from the tricks, you’re going to wind up contributing to your own marginalization, or at best not making it better.

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit. Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else. If that's too tough for them, maybe they should get some bootstraps and pull on em. That's as much help as anyone outside the executive class gets.

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

[TwiceHorn 32072]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit. Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else. If that's too tough for them, maybe they should get some bootstraps and pull on em. That's as much help as anyone outside the executive class gets.

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.  There's less room for error than there's been in quite some time.  That may apply less to white men than women or men of color, etc., but I think it's broadly true.

Edited 8 hours ago by TwiceHorn

[Captainant 28509]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.

No, Bozo pretty clearly stated that young white men have it harder than others and are "impoverished". Nothing to do with wealth inequality in the words he wrote, so I'm not sure why you're trying the southern strategy line on me of "it's not race, it's economics!"

Edited 8 hours ago by Captainant

[safe sex 11986]

It's true of everyone. And I definitely agree that there is a crisis within men in the modern world. But the solution is not to regress. And that's pretty much the only solution offered by anyone who matters 

Edited 8 hours ago by safe sex

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Man, if you're raising boys I hope you're not feeding them this victim poor me bullshit.

First, I’m not raising boys. My wife and I raised two sharp, capable young women. Second, there’s nothing poor or even middle about me. I’m very successful, affluent, and healthy as a result of fantastic luck compounded by hard work and focus, and lot of help.  I don’t fall into the “almost all” category. Our lives are exceptional on almost every level and there’s nothing more irritating to me than people in my shoes poor mouthing or referring to themselves as even middle class. We are not and inshallah we won’t be. 

 

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Young white men don't have it harder than anyone else - they've simply got dealt the same hand as everyone else.

That’s exactly my point- most people are dealt a bad hand. At least half (by definition) of them are below average on one or multiple levels - health, height, talent, upbringing, intelligence, appearance, access to opportunities, etc. most of the rest are bunched of in a tight group we thing of as the middle but are really the above-average-but-not-enough-to-matter, and most of the rest don’t catch the happenstance breaks that really matter. 

 

31 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Like, what the fuck? White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

The fact that you conflate “impoverished existence” with economic poverty primarily or “poor people” tells me that the rent for shirt with your name on it has never in your life come out of your paycheck, so I’ll try to explain this as succinctly as possible, ahem:

EVERYONE HAS IT HARD IN AMERICA.  
 

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

No, Bozo pretty clearly stated that young white men have it harder than others and are "impoverished"

I did not say they had it harder. I said that almost all lead a more “impoverished existence” than safe sex does, and that doesn’t even seem controversial. Good profession, rich inner life, integrity, sense of humor and irony, brains? Are you saying that almost all young white men don’t lack those things?

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think his point is that, generationally, the young, men in particular, are significantly worse off than preceding generations due to the wealth/income gap and asset inflation.  There's less room for error than there's been in quite some time.  That may apply less to white men than women or men of color, etc., but I think it's broadly true.

No. My point is that you have a better life than the vast majority of them do or ever will. You mentioned all the “mediocre white men” in your field. They aren’t mediocre. Those are way above average white men. Would you switch lives with any of them?
Now imagine the below average ones.

Edited 8 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[GreenspointTexas 9959]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with "almost all." I've had more than one nursing anesthesia program head/counselor tell me that I'm too queer for the field; that they would not be able to protect me from bigots in their departments and schools and communities; and that while I'm talented, smart, and hard working, I am not extraordinarily so, and I would simply not stand out among the deluge of applications that schools in safe areas of the country for me receive. And that is exactly what I experienced over the last three years of applying to CRNA school. Didn't even get an interview. And the program head (U of Tulsa) that first broke that news to me was forced out by the university because she was trying really hard to admit more students from minority backgrounds. That was the semester she wanted to admit me. Lol

Do you have any idea how many mediocre white men in nursing anesthesia there are? Much less within the body of physicians? No offense, @GreenspointTexas and any white docs on the board, but from my years in trauma, it's a pretty solid percentage. 

Things are looking up for mediocre white men and those coming after the current batch

God give me the self-confidence of a mediocre white man. Can you imagine where I could be if I didn't have a crushing amount of self-doubt because of a society that has told me over and over throughout my life that it doesn't matter how good I am at anything, or how hard I work at something, there are parts of my core self—my very being—that do. not. belong. 

But whatever. There isn't a fruitful conversation to be had here. We're not really at odds. Nothing personal, Bozo—you're one of the good ones—but I'm tired. I will never support any policy that would materially harm young white men; will never vote for any candidate that targets them; will never call them slurs while walking on the street; will never mock them for showing vulnerability; will never body shame them; will never sexually assault them in clubs; will never rape them

It'd be nice of them to return the favor 

(Not all young white men®)

Im high as shit right now, but I cant make sense of this post

[Captainant 28509]

12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I did not say they had it harder. I said that almost all lead a more “impoverished existence” than safe sex does, and that doesn’t even seem controversial. Good profession, rich inner life, integrity, sense of humor and irony, brains? Are you saying that almost all young white men don’t lack those things?

Brother, I don't know what fucking point you're trying to make here. It sounds like you're describing the average 20 something. Life ain't easy. It doesn't mean you should resort to fascism because you're not getting the same handout your daddy got.

Or are you arguing that their family and culture failed white people generally? 

Are you trying to redefine the word "impoverished" to not mean someone in poverty?

[Anastasis 23716]

3 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Im high as shit right now, but I cant make sense of this post

It’s getting better all the time. 

[Anastasis 23716]

Y’all are some particularly racist mofos. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

37 minutes ago, safe sex said:

It's true of everyone. And I definitely agree that there is a crisis within men in the modern world. But the solution is not to regress. And that's pretty much the only solution offered by anyone who matters 

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

14 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Brother, I don't know what fucking point you're trying to make here. It sounds like you're describing the average 20 something.

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

Edited 7 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[Pancho 46270]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y’all are some particularly racist mofos. 

 

[Pancho 46270]

Not one radical republican on this website will comment on this:

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Ric Flair is a scumbag piece of shit of the highest order but I'll be damned if he isn't the greatest professional wrestler of all time

I met him in Kansas City the day before Harley Race’s funeral. He politely asked the jazz quartet playing at the hotel bar to stop playing so that he could watch Charlotte Flair perform on RAW. My table was under the TV and he stood right in front of us, and he was so proud* of her he teared up while he was watching. It was very touching. 
 

[Zepol87 9340]

3 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I grew up in Westlake and live in HP. All someone has to do is a) have some life experience and b) open their eyes. 

I won’t try and pretend to know your life, but I won’t apologize for what I and more importantly Quinn didn’t do. Hatred begets hatred. 

Yea you grew up in Westlake and live in HP. You are that person those are you people and I despise them

[Bozo_Casanova 26842]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not one radical republican on this website will comment on this:

 

 

She’s still smarter than Tommy Tuberville

[Anastasis 23716]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Not one radical republican on this website will comment on this:

 

 

Have read any news this week, or do you just consume your Twitter feed?

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

She’s still smarter than Tommy Tuberville

So close. 

[Anastasis 23716]

9 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Read the thread. 

[Willfully Horn 8258]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Read the thread. 

Or, you could explain yourself.

[Pancho 46270]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Read the thread. 

I’ve read the thread, and the reaction for your post is still the same. 

[David Dennison 19519]

Ana's doing that thing again.