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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

Replying to remind myself to come back to this

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 

"Successful" is doing some heavy lifting in this thought experiment.

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7 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

Yeah, the economy is rigged against wage earners. Regan and trickle down out front should have told ya. What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

No shit they don't have much of a glorious future to look forward to. Nobody does, unless you're already in the ownership caste. Welcome to America

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  
 

 

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

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This board is hilarious with the "NO CR!" shit. When someone expresses a right-wing opinion in the non-CR areas there is either no reaction or a fairly mild one compared to the reaction when someone says something even centrist, much less leftist. "Hey man take it somewhere else" vs. "FUCK YOU JIHAD NEGS!"

Defensive, reactionary, terrified pussies. You know... like Trump himself and how Quinn usually plays against teams we don't clearly physically outmatch. Makes sense, I guess. Birds of a feather.

I do enjoy Quinn's Trump advocacy paired with his perpetual "I'm scared you're going to be mean to me" facial expression. They compliment each other nicely.

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15 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

This is the first page that pulled up when I wanted to check Surly on the game. Odd yall are posting here during first half. Even odder you’d call our starting QB a POS when he’s 22 because of who he supports. Tolerant. 

Not going to bother reading all of this thread and I'm sure this disingenuous horseshit has already responded to, but Quinn Ewers is already richer than basically everyone here and 22 isn't fucking 11 years old. If a grown up adult with a ton of money is going to publicly make political statements then he's going to face criticism for stupid, awful political statements.

I don't fucking care that he plays football for my school, that's not some magical shield. He's making an intentional effort to inject himself into a larger, highly divisive political issue and he can potentially deal with the awful terror of a few people online calling him a dumb pussy for it. He can dry his tears with his endorsement money made off the back of a disappointing season where he torpedoed his own NFL dreams.

Thanks for the championships, bud. Go win a few more games and then fuck off. Christian white nationalism driven by the most cowardly and idiotic of our citizenry isn't suddenly cool because you shakily captained a ship into harbor.

"I just wanted to take a swing at people, I didn't want them to swing back!!"

Pussies.

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21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse. There's not really a majority demographic, aside from tech nerd. In the team I'm on right now, it is pretty much a rainbow of backgrounds. Folks from Columbia, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Norway, Houston, etc etc.

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

No, she said she's not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. And you replied saying "I'm not defending them BUUUUUT they've got a weally WEALLY hard road ahead" as if that's not just the baseline American experience. 

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse.

10 whole years? Yes, I'm aware things are changing. You're welcome. 

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

It is. It is an umimaginable luxury for 90%ish of the population, including about 90% of the whites. But like a lot of affluent, privileged young progressives you seem to be unable to make up your mind about what you think. For example, square this take:
 

12 hours ago, Captainant said:

White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

with this take:

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most people (including the whites) are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024. And it's true. 
 

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1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most white people are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024.

It's almost like enabling unbounded corporate power with neoliberal economics is the root cause of all of this, or something 

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And that is usually how an extreme takes over. And those who really fuck things up are those who think they belong but get excluded. Protecting the little man is a form of consolidating power once gained. They don't care. Never do.

Fun times ahead boys and girls, fun times.

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I’m in my mid 50s and came up in tech where I would guess that 80-90% were straight, white guys. Or at least they projected they were straight. At that point, I believe we were at the end of a decades long run of how the office looked the same in terms of people. I know some of the same guys today who indicate their annoyance that the office is more diverse and they don’t like that 1990s actions or words can have consequences.

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