Trump’s America

[Anastasis 23717]

Maybe in every instance of the word  “white” replace it with “black” and let me know your thoughts?

Lunatics running the asylum. 

[David Dennison 19534]

19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe in every instance of the word  “white” replace it with “black” and let me know your thoughts?

Lunatics running the asylum. 

I'd rather replace white with honky.

[royiv 9783]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Im high as shit right now, but I cant make sense of this post

That checks out. Diverting?

[safe sex 12001]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

Replying to remind myself to come back to this

[David Dennison 19534]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 

"Successful" is doing some heavy lifting in this thought experiment.

[Captainant 28530]

7 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

There is a crisis within men, but that’s because they are being played. When I talked about being able to separate the  pimps from the tricks, that’s what I was referring to (which I think you got, but @Captainant is apparently too caught up in reflexive white progressive right think to understand.)

Not just average. Almost all of them. the young ones especially but not just them. 

Here’s a thought experiment: in the inner ring suburbs of Austin there are probably a dozen rooms half the size of a football field, filled with cubicles, most of which are occupied by white men over 40, doing mid to senior level technology implementation or tier 3 support. There are many smaller rooms, and many fields other than that, but let’s just focus on them for a second. 
These men have it better than most - would you agree? They are doing better and are more successful than the vast majority of white men. Would you agree? 
 

@safe sex when you consider the variety of options you have, the mobility and freedom afforded to you by your skill  set and educational attainment, the richness of your daily life experience and community, would you switch places with any of these men, even though they make about what you make? 

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

Yeah, the economy is rigged against wage earners. Regan and trickle down out front should have told ya. What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

No shit they don't have much of a glorious future to look forward to. Nobody does, unless you're already in the ownership caste. Welcome to America

[Sawbonz 28218]

7 hours ago, Pancho said:

Not one radical republican on this website will comment on this:

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26847]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

So, I really don't understand your insistence that this is unique to white people. Your hypothetical of a bunch of senior support staff being better of than most everyone else applies unilaterally, not just to white people. 

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  
 

 

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

What makes the """young white man""" experience so set apart from everyone else that you single them out so fervently? 

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

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[bad_teammate 13511]

This board is hilarious with the "NO CR!" shit. When someone expresses a right-wing opinion in the non-CR areas there is either no reaction or a fairly mild one compared to the reaction when someone says something even centrist, much less leftist. "Hey man take it somewhere else" vs. "FUCK YOU JIHAD NEGS!"

Defensive, reactionary, terrified pussies. You know... like Trump himself and how Quinn usually plays against teams we don't clearly physically outmatch. Makes sense, I guess. Birds of a feather.

I do enjoy Quinn's Trump advocacy paired with his perpetual "I'm scared you're going to be mean to me" facial expression. They compliment each other nicely.

[bad_teammate 13511]

15 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

This is the first page that pulled up when I wanted to check Surly on the game. Odd yall are posting here during first half. Even odder you’d call our starting QB a POS when he’s 22 because of who he supports. Tolerant. 

Not going to bother reading all of this thread and I'm sure this disingenuous horseshit has already responded to, but Quinn Ewers is already richer than basically everyone here and 22 isn't fucking 11 years old. If a grown up adult with a ton of money is going to publicly make political statements then he's going to face criticism for stupid, awful political statements.

I don't fucking care that he plays football for my school, that's not some magical shield. He's making an intentional effort to inject himself into a larger, highly divisive political issue and he can potentially deal with the awful terror of a few people online calling him a dumb pussy for it. He can dry his tears with his endorsement money made off the back of a disappointing season where he torpedoed his own NFL dreams.

Thanks for the championships, bud. Go win a few more games and then fuck off. Christian white nationalism driven by the most cowardly and idiotic of our citizenry isn't suddenly cool because you shakily captained a ship into harbor.

"I just wanted to take a swing at people, I didn't want them to swing back!!"

Pussies.

[Captainant 28530]

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The senior consultant and support staff who are not 40+ white men? I only spent 25 years in tech, but I must have missed them. Perhaps it was lost amid the glare of pale bald heads.
But whatever, let it be a rainbow coalition. United Colors of Tier 3 Support! Do you agree they have it better than most white people? By the numbers, they make more than 90% of the white population.  

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse. There's not really a majority demographic, aside from tech nerd. In the team I'm on right now, it is pretty much a rainbow of backgrounds. Folks from Columbia, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Norway, Houston, etc etc.

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I didn’t, she did. I just said that the vast majority of them have worse prospects than @safe sex and lead a pretty impoverished existence compared to her. Most people do and my point is that young white men are not an exception.

No, she said she's not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. And you replied saying "I'm not defending them BUUUUUT they've got a weally WEALLY hard road ahead" as if that's not just the baseline American experience. 

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

[Jive Turkey 12996]

The Trump/Musk breakup is going to be incredible. MAGA v. Money.  Money always wins. 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26847]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I've been in tech for 10 years now, and the teams I have been on were/are pretty diverse.

10 whole years? Yes, I'm aware things are changing. You're welcome. 

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

And yes we definitely have it better than the vast majority of Americans. I have a job that respects my time and gives me opportunities for growth. What a fantastic luxury!

It is. It is an umimaginable luxury for 90%ish of the population, including about 90% of the whites. But like a lot of affluent, privileged young progressives you seem to be unable to make up your mind about what you think. For example, square this take:
 

12 hours ago, Captainant said:

White people have it hard in America? That's fucking news to me. 

Poor people have it hard. Young white men are not used to being more poor than not, and they're finding out they have to try in this world to move out from mom and dad's.

Impoverished existence? Wow lol.

with this take:

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Yeah most Americans live an impoverished existence. It's celebrated every quarter when the line goes up while wages stagnate even further. 

But again - that's been the deal for decades. What's with the scales falling from your eyes all of a sudden?

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most people (including the whites) are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024. And it's true. 
 

Edited 5 hours ago by Bozo_Casanova

[Captainant 28530]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

All of a sudden? I've been talking about this on this board and it's 3 predecessors since 1997, and in real life before that. I watched the public, open recognition that most white people are getting shafted too elect Bill Clinton in 1992 and Barack Obama in 2008, not to mention unfortunately electing Donald Trump in 2016 and 2024.

It's almost like enabling unbounded corporate power with neoliberal economics is the root cause of all of this, or something 

[InkaUtexas 26867]

And that is usually how an extreme takes over. And those who really fuck things up are those who think they belong but get excluded. Protecting the little man is a form of consolidating power once gained. They don't care. Never do.

Fun times ahead boys and girls, fun times.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13729]

I’m in my mid 50s and came up in tech where I would guess that 80-90% were straight, white guys. Or at least they projected they were straight. At that point, I believe we were at the end of a decades long run of how the office looked the same in terms of people. I know some of the same guys today who indicate their annoyance that the office is more diverse and they don’t like that 1990s actions or words can have consequences.

[wood 11764]

Guess what they're going after next. Been waiting for this. Fuckers.

X ad from the Wesley Donahue Nancy Mace thread:

[tchookem 3968]

13 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No. My point is that you have a better life than the vast majority of them do or ever will. You mentioned all the “mediocre white men” in your field. They aren’t mediocre. Those are way above average white men. Would you switch lives with any of them?
Now imagine the below average ones.

Perhaps she means they're mediocre doctors and there are a lot of other people that could do the job better given the same opportunity? I'd say the Clemson QB's play last night proves the same can be said about Quinn Ewers.

 

Now I don't know if @safe sex would prefer Klubnik's political leanings, but he may be smart enough to keep them to himself. 

[wood 11764]

15 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Has a president-elect ever had as many losses as Trump has experienced the past few weeks?  He may be looked at as lame duck before he is even inaugurated.

This. If the way this went is any indication of the way the next 4 years will go on Capitol Hill, then Trump may face more pushback than anticipated. Here's to hoping, at least.

[Rex Kramer 1535]

14 hours ago, safe sex said:

Will you feel better if I say that his political beliefs make him look like a piece of shit? Is that enough of a distinction without a difference for you, Rex? 

It doesn’t bother me. That it happened during the first half is ridiculous, in my opinion, but it doesn’t offend me or anything. You’re never going to recruit people to your way of thinking with that attitude. 

[Rex Kramer 1535]

13 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

Yea you grew up in Westlake and live in HP. You are that person those are you people and I despise them

I’m not that person. I’ve been increasingly anti-social lately. I do not really hang out with these people here in town.

Now, my college friends are 100% Trump.  I can’t talk politics with them. 

I have an ability to hang with any group. I will not let someone’s politics, unless they are way too extreme, affect the way I feel about them.

[Rex Kramer 1535]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Not going to bother reading all of this thread and I'm sure this disingenuous horseshit has already responded to, but Quinn Ewers is already richer than basically everyone here and 22 isn't fucking 11 years old. If a grown up adult with a ton of money is going to publicly make political statements then he's going to face criticism for stupid, awful political statements.

I don't fucking care that he plays football for my school, that's not some magical shield. He's making an intentional effort to inject himself into a larger, highly divisive political issue and he can potentially deal with the awful terror of a few people online calling him a dumb pussy for it. He can dry his tears with his endorsement money made off the back of a disappointing season where he torpedoed his own NFL dreams.

Thanks for the championships, bud. Go win a few more games and then fuck off. Christian white nationalism driven by the most cowardly and idiotic of our citizenry isn't suddenly cool because you shakily captained a ship into harbor.

"I just wanted to take a swing at people, I didn't want them to swing back!!"

Pussies.

I don’t feel sorry for him. The reason I said something is because it happened during the game. 

[tchookem 3968]

It doesn’t bother me. That it happened during the first half is ridiculous, in my opinion, but it doesn’t offend me or anything. You’re never going to recruit people to your way of thinking with that attitude. 

Because calm, well-stated logic and reason have been sooooooo effective thus far.

[bad_teammate 13511]

25 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t feel sorry for him. The reason I said something is because it happened during the game. 

The games are 60% commercials.

Also, the "tolerant, much?" shit is 2015 /r/TheDonald stuff. New material needed.

[Bullneck 19517]

[safe sex 12001]

The only form of slavery still legal in America. It's in the Constitution 

[Hermanator 7667]

On 12/20/2024 at 6:42 PM, UpperWestside said:

This is ‘Merica now! It’s just sad that we as a collective have become the things we have always said we are not. Everything that the men and women who built America into what it became post World War II is now dissolving.  I am glad that almost all of them have passed on and do not have to witness the abject selfishness on display from sea to shining sea.We are far from being the only country with this issue, but we insist on being the loudest and proudest about it.

I think it's obvious Americans have always been shitty. It's a country founded by religious nuts based on slavery and subjugation of women and minorities. The average American has always been a fucking moron. The leaders have always been corrupt. 

The Internet and social media has just exposed it to a great extent and magnified the core values of greed, selfishness, and materialism to an uncontrollably bastardized level that isn't sustainable anymore. The capitalism has become uncontrolled, the corruption has reached dangerous levels, and the very things that led to advanced technological development are now destroying the foundation of the country. 

Which positions the country extremely poorly to navigate the climate change challenges that are exacerbated more and more each year. Ironically, the brainwashing of American exceptionalism and greatness that led to your erroneous post also prevents the population at large from proper self evaluation to even realize the changes that need to occur to have a puncher's chance of curbing the decline and mitigating the coming disasters. 

[David Dennison 19534]

14 minutes ago, safe sex said:

The only form of slavery still legal in America. It's in the Constitution 

The concessions made to the south to get things passed in this country are tragic.

Edited 54 minutes ago by David Dennison

[Anastasis 23717]

29 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Did Biden pardon the state officials responsible yet?

[David Dennison 19534]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Did Biden pardon the state officials responsible yet?

Anastasis level = expert

[TwiceHorn 32076]

12 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I think it's obvious Americans have always been shitty. It's a country founded by religious nuts based on slavery and subjugation of women and minorities. The average American has always been a fucking moron. The leaders have always been corrupt. 

The Internet and social media has just exposed it to a great extent and magnified the core values of greed, selfishness, and materialism to an uncontrollably bastardized level that isn't sustainable anymore. The capitalism has become uncontrolled, the corruption has reached dangerous levels, and the very things that led to advanced technological development are now destroying the foundation of the country. 

Which positions the country extremely poorly to navigate the climate change challenges that are exacerbated more and more each year. Ironically, the brainwashing of American exceptionalism and greatness that led to your erroneous post also prevents the population at large from proper self evaluation to even realize the changes that need to occur to have a puncher's chance of curbing the decline and mitigating the coming disasters. 

Where does this "religious nut" shit come from?  Sure, they were nominally Christian for the most part, but there's about zero evidence that any of them were religious nuts, certainly by modern standards.  First Amendment belies that whole notion.

And, yeah, there was slavery, which was tolerated more than endorsed, and subjugation of women.  Standard shit for the times.  Not making excuses for it, it is what it is and it was more progressive than any other contemporary nation.

 

Edited 50 minutes ago by TwiceHorn

[David Dennison 19534]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Where does this "religious nut" shit come from?  Sure, they were nominally Christian for the most part, but there's about zero evidence that any of them were religious nuts, certainly by modern standards.  First Amendment belies that whole notion.

Puritans.

Edited 51 minutes ago by David Dennison

[TwiceHorn 32076]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Puritans.

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

The majority of them were Anglican, a couple Cathoholics.  The mortal enemies of Puritans.

Edited 47 minutes ago by TwiceHorn

[David Dennison 19534]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

But that's where it comes from.  Puritanism and evangelicalism.

Edited 46 minutes ago by David Dennison

[TwiceHorn 32076]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

But that's where it comes from.  Puritanism and evangelicalism.

That's a load of shit.

I'm all for realism about America and it's bullshit exceptionalism.  Let's not make it worse than it was.

Edited 44 minutes ago by TwiceHorn

[David Dennison 19534]

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's a load of shit.

I'm all for realism about America and it's bullshit exceptionalism.  Let's not make it worse than it was.

That's where it all comes from culturally. Throw Quakerism in there, too. America has a long history of religious fanaticism, even if the Founders tempered it with the Constitution.

[Hermanator 7667]

27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

The majority of them were Anglican, a couple Cathoholics.  The mortal enemies of Puritans.

First amendment was made specifically so they couldn't be persecuted for their puritan religious nuttery. They weren't thinking about Catholicism, Islam, or Hinduism when they made it. 

That was the reason for separation of church and state. So no OTHER religion could come in and take over the government and persecute them again. 

The framework of the Constitution and system of government was borrowed heavily from Polybius to stave off anacyclosis

Edited 20 minutes ago by Hermanator

[TwiceHorn 32076]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's where it all comes from culturally. Throw Quakerism in there, too. America has a long history of religious fanaticism, even if the Founders tempered it with the Constitution.

By tempering it with the Constitution, I don't think you can call them religious nuts or fanatics.  Had they been fanatics, the various factions represented never would have gotten together.

Never really heard Quakers referred to as religious fanatics, either.