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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am not sure that I have a fully formulated opinion, other than this was a commitment that Trump made during the campaign, was not clear would be fulfilled, and he fulfilled it today. But I am interested in unpacking it. I am not very knowledgeable about his case. Can you please elaborate on "have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have hired people to commit murder". I haven't dug into this one, but my understanding is that he was not ever charged nor tried on that? Is that not accurate?

Bullshit, you know everything about this case. I simply do not believe your evasive answer. If you haven’t, you need to read the book. That’s what I’m talking about regarding proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he engaged in murder for hire. As for his convictions in court, murder for hire was not part of the case the prosecutors chose to take but if you read the book, there is no doubt. Regardless, given the numerous crimes he was convicted of and that were upheld by the US Supreme Court, tell me why you have any hesitancy in expressing support or disagreement with this pardon that was only issued in a transactional arrangement. 

You have been calling people total clowns on the other thread in talking about the need to try and protect Fauci from an obviously vindictive piece of shit who is not constrained in any sense by justice or a sense of what is right and wrong but you’re unwilling to express an opinion about this pardon?

So unpack it. Do you think that this was a worthwhile pardon? You know what he was convicted of. If you were remotely conscious from 2012-2014 in Austin, you know the full story of the case. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Like I said, I don't really have a strong basis for an opinion on that one, but it was framed initially as "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you want to provide some links that provide the evidence without a lot of editorializing, I would like to read them. 

Here you go:

https://www.amazon.com/American-Kingpin-Criminal-Mastermind-Behind/dp/1591848148?dplnkId=b0f8ac02-fdac-45f5-a09b-fe16763caddb&nodl=1

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2 minutes ago, sasquatch69 said:

It’s not a governmental entity - it’s owned by the Episcopal Diocese of D.C. and the larger denomination. And it’s probably my favorite building in the entire country. I try to go every time I’m in D.C., even on business trips, at times when I can hear the choir, or even just for a brief prayer.  The bishop said what needed to be said today, even though it’s going to make her life harder (or put her in danger) for a while. And it’s also ludicrous that what she said is considered so heinous by so-called “Christians”. 

Because they are "Christian" when it suits them and hide behind the assertion. They are, like most of the folks I run across, not remotely practicing what they preach. It is a convenient scapegoat for things they hate. Not unlike suicide bombers. Atleast the bombers kill quickly but these fake "Christians" want the suffering to last.

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Like I said, I don't really have a strong basis for an opinion on that one, but it was framed initially as "beyond a shadow of a doubt". If you want to provide some links that provide the evidence without a lot of editorializing, I would like to read them. 

Just fucking Google it. Jesus christ. Your team pardoned a pos and over 1500 other treasonous fucks that aren't worth the lead they deserve.

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2 minutes ago, sidis said:

Bullshit, you know everything about this case.

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Confirmed, Ana thinks it's cool and good for (certain) people to get away with soliciting torture and murder.

Y'all lawyers don't even believe in the underlying principles of your own profession. Ethics is a moving target based on who you are advocating for and little else. That is all quite clear. The projection of all that taints this board given the disproportionate representation here. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

"Do the research for me so I can poke holes in it based on unsubstantiated Google links that support my preconceived notions. Otherwise I will not believe the things he did because I was not going to believe them anyways." 

Fuck off clown. You were alive during that time. You know what he did. Every fucking person knows what silk road was. If a black man sells a bag you are fine with the cops fucking him up and throwing away the key. If a white kid sets up a system where the same shit can exist on the net, you think he shouldnt face the consequences.

You are the problem.

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. I thought you were better than this.

You give me an amazon link after stating that he was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for murder for hire. Like 5 seconds googling shows that to be nonsense. Appears that his sentencing was influenced by the charges you reference, which were not demonstrated "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in court, which is what some people got particularly worked up about. The disconnect between the sentencing and the actual charges. Without going down the rabbit hole on this one unless you are able to actually engage substantively, I will say my position would be that a full and unconditional pardon is too broad, and that a commutation of the current sentence to time served seems appropriate. If someone wants to take up the murder for hire charges and put him back in prison after actually proving those charges in a fair court trial, so be it. 

Try to be less of reactionary clown moving forward sidis.  

read the book. there is zero doubt whatsoever. googling "freeross" gets you a bunch of innuendo bullshit. his murder for hire efforts were anything but "nonsense." i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you. but it was very clear what happened if you read the book.

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison. el chapo was convicted in court for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, and use of a firearm in furtherance of his of his drug crimes. are you ready to pardon him?

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2 minutes ago, sidis said:

read the book. there is zero doubt whatsoever. googling "freeross" gets you a bunch of innuendo bullshit. his murder for hire efforts were anything but "nonsense." i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you. but it was very clear what happened if you read the book.

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison. el chapo was convicted in court for narcotics trafficking, money laundering, and use of a firearm in furtherance of his of his drug crimes. are you ready to pardon him?

Dude, he is brown. Of course he isn't. 

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6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

If a black man sells a bag you are fine with the cops fucking him up and throwing away the key. If a white kid sets up a system where the same shit can exist on the net, you think he shouldnt face the consequences.

You are the problem.

Love it when posters try to tell me what I think. Just strawman shit. There use to be posters here that thought that strawman argumentation was the major problem with teh CR. They were right then, and it is true now. 

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6 minutes ago, royiv said:

Austinites paying property taxes for Project Connect without any federal funding already secured are going to be so screwed.

Oh I never expected to benefit from any of that anyway. Much like social security. Just another tax that I pay for being a part of society. But I’m also not advocating burning down the entire system because of it. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Love it when posters try to tell me what I think. Just strawman shit. There use to be posters here that thought that strawman argumentation was the major problem with teh CR. They were right then, and it is true now. 

So the dude that ran a website selling everything from drugs to children to murder shouldn't be locked up for the rest of his life? Right? Right?

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

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1 minute ago, HOOKEM4 said:

So the dude that ran a website selling everything from drugs to children to murder shouldn't be locked up for the rest of his life? Right? Right?

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

He's not "pro crime."  He's just an ardent believer in "if Trump did it, I can always explain it away/excuse it."

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

He's not "pro crime."  He's just an ardent believer in "if Trump did it, I can always explain it away/excuse it."

There’s a reason he went on my ignore list long ago. He brings nothing of substance and is a consistent liar. 

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8 minutes ago, sidis said:

i never said anything about it being proven in court. you miscontrued that and that is on you.

You said it was proven beyond a "shadow of a doubt", sorry if maybe I thought were talking about legal context in an exchange related to a pardon for legal convictions. Come on sidis. I don't honestly why you are tilting here. But its a pervasive problem, I understand. 

10 minutes ago, sidis said:

so you believe that running an illegal global marketplace for drugs is worth a few years in prison.

I think about drugs a lot. It's kinda my gig. I do not favor putting people in jail for non-violent drug offenses. I think that the markets should be legal and have reasonable, evidence- and reality-based regulations. He's been in jail for 10 years and paid like $190MM in fines (not sure what valuation of the bitcoin that is based on). I don't care if he is white black from eanes or whatever. If proven in a court of law that he ordered hits on people or something else, I am ok with locking him up forever. But your amazon reading list isn't going to move the needle for me. 

6 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

Just commit one way or admit you are pro crime.

Y'all wilding. 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You said it was proven beyond a "shadow of a doubt", sorry if maybe I thought were talking about legal context in an exchange related to a pardon for legal convictions. Come on sidis. I don't honestly why you are tilting here. But its a pervasive problem, I understand. 

I think about drugs a lot. It's kinda my gig. I do not favor putting people in jail for non-violent drug offenses. I think that the markets should be legal and have reasonable, evidence- and reality-based regulations. He's been in jail for 10 years and paid like $190MM in fines (not sure what valuation of the bitcoin that is based on). I don't care if he is white black from eanes or whatever. If proven in a court of law that he ordered hits on people or something else, I am ok with locking him up forever. But your amazon reading list isn't going to move the needle for me. 

Y'all wilding. 

As set forth above, I tend to agree with your position on Ulbricht, at least in the abstract (not knowing super-specific facts).  And, if he did order hits, why wasn't he charged with it?  I'm not down for life sentences for drug dealers, as a general proposition, or money launderers either.

I think a commutation of the rest of his sentence would be more appropriate than a pardon.

What's in this for Trump anyway?  Jr. like to buy his shit off the internet?

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

He's not "pro crime."  He's just an ardent believer in "if Trump did it, I can always explain it away/excuse it."

I saw the clip from the Libertarian convention at the time. I didn't actually think that Trump was going to follow through with it. I am not particularly offended that he did. But do note that he modified the commitment from a commutation to a full and unconditional pardon, which I do not really agree with. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

I saw the clip from the Libertarian convention at the time. I didn't actually think that Trump was going to follow through with it. I am not particularly offended that he did. But do note that he modified the commitment from a commutation to a full and unconditional pardon, which I do not really agree with. 

But Biden pardoning Hunter....unforgivable.  Biden pre-emptively pardoning Fauci when numerous voices in the Trump regime have repeatedly called for his fucking EXECUTION....unforgivable.

You always find a way to conclude that what Trump did is at least ok.  Maybe you don't agree with it 100%, but you find a way to conclude it's okay.  Any government official OTHER than Trump does something?  Total condemnation.  You do this to yourself.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

As set forth above, I tend to agree with your position on Ulbricht, at least in the abstract (not knowing super-specific facts).

I think a commutation of the rest of his sentence would be more appropriate than a pardon.

Yeah, I think that we are on the same page on this one.

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Yeah, that is how I see it. And I am not just talking Ukraine. PEPFAR is fucked, Global health is fucked. Food programs, fucked. Public Diplomacy, fucked.

OBO and shit like that will be ok. Military aid and FMS will depend on Sec Def more than I want to think about.

I don’t think public diplomacy would be part of this as it’s a different type of funding than development aided. PEPFAR, food aid, health, absolutely.  But we pulled out of the WHO. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You said it was proven beyond a "shadow of a doubt", sorry if maybe I thought were talking about legal context in an exchange related to a pardon for legal convictions. Come on sidis. I don't honestly why you are tilting here. But its a pervasive problem, I understand. 

I think about drugs a lot. It's kinda my gig. I do not favor putting people in jail for non-violent drug offenses. I think that the markets should be legal and have reasonable, evidence- and reality-based regulations. He's been in jail for 10 years and paid like $190MM in fines (not sure what valuation of the bitcoin that is based on). I don't care if he is white black from eanes or whatever. If proven in a court of law that he ordered hits on people or something else, I am ok with locking him up forever. But your amazon reading list isn't going to move the needle for me. 

i am not tilting. i am overly familiar with the facts and circumstances here. you should be too. if you don't want to read the book, that's fine...just like it is fine that you want to to project your misconstruing what i said on to me...but i guess you are under some misimpression that "beyond a shadow of a doubt" is some sort of sort of legal or court term. just so you know, it is not. i suspect you are conflating "reasonable doubt" and that is why you are confused. regardless, if you are not willing to read the book and become familiar enough with the facts and circumstances regarding his actions and that the book proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was absolutely engaged in murder for hire, then that's your decision.

you have been having vapors on the other pardon threads for months...overreacting to a bunch of obviously preemptive political persecution actions to guard against the one person you know would actually pursue such action. you accusing anyone of reactionary wilding to the full pardoning of an actual criminal just to buy credit with the libertarian crypto bros is slightly amusing in light of that.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

But Biden pardoning Hunter....unforgivable.  Biden pre-emptively pardoning Fauci when numerous voices in the Trump regime have repeatedly called for his fucking EXECUTION....unforgivable.

You always find a way to conclude that what Trump did is at least ok.  Maybe you don't agree with it 100%, but you find a way to conclude it's okay.  Any government official OTHER than Trump does something?  Total condemnation.  You do this to yourself.

Biden said that he wasn't going to pardon Hunter. Media ran with that, until he did. Preemptive pardon for Fauci backdated to 2014 is ridiculous, and even moreso when Jake Sullivan announced a new inquiry into Covid origins like 24 hours earlier. The second paragraph is projection Brisket. Take a step back.  

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Just now, HRSchenker said:

Does Ross get his bitcoin back too? That would make him the world's newest multibillionaire

I'm sure he will argue for it. Maybe the refund will be conditioned on Trump getting at cut of it, though.

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I think that we are on the same page on this one.

It is clear yall are. "Not knowing specific facts" could be your band name. It also could be, "not attempting to know facts" or my favorite, "not believing facts."

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Biden said that he wasn't going to pardon Hunter. Media ran with that, until he did. Preemptive pardon for Fauci backdated to 2014 is ridiculous, and even moreso when Jake Sullivan announced a new inquiry into Covid origins like 24 hours earlier. The second paragraph is projection Brisket. Take a step back.  

Blah blah blah.  Trump does it -- Ana finds a way to be okay with it, no matter what it is.  Anyone who opposes Trump does something?  Ana will always find some way or reason to condemn it.

It's fascinating to watch.

You insist that you're not a Trumper, while supporting/excusing him with more consistency than even many of the MAGAts I know.  That you fail to see it - or just deny it - is another layer of fascinating.

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5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think he was overcharged and the sentence was too long. He was still guilty and he still tried to do other crimes.

Right, why commutation makes sense here. And if you ring him up on new charges based on sidis' amazon reading list in front of a jury of his peers, so be it. 

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3 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

"Not knowing specific facts" could be your band name.

I wouldn't hate playing in a band with Twice. We don't always agree. He would probably frame it less generously than that. But I do respect his perspective and posts. Most of the rest of y'all are real fucking clowns. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Sums your post up. 

"Brainworms.  I don't like or support Trump in any way [I just never fail to excuse/justify/dismiss as meaningless anything he does]."  Save that.  Copy and paste it for all your future posts, and save everyone here the chore of reading your latest round of disingenuous mental gymnastics.

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10 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Does Ross get his bitcoin back too? That would make him the world's newest multibillionaire

They are gonna refund his bitcoin with Melania and Trump coins.   Might throw in a couple dozen signed bibles and a pair of those golden trump sneakers.  

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

"Brainworms.  I don't like or support Trump in any way [I just never fail to excuse/justify/dismiss as meaningless anything he does]."  Save that.  Copy and paste it for all your future posts, and save everyone here the chore of reading your latest round of disingenuous mental gymnastics.

In all sincerity, I hope you make it through the next four years mentally intact. If this places helps you vent, please use it. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Right, why commutation makes sense here. And if you ring him up on new charges based on sidis' amazon reading list in front of a jury of his peers, so be it. 

So you are mad, like the other pardons Biden was a part of, for the pardon? Doesn't sound like it. Do you need to be personally impacted by crimes to give a shit? Does it need to be made more cut and dry by fox news night after night before you care? What is it that will allow you to be more objective with your opinions?

He ran a massive operation profiting billions off of illicit crimes. He is no better or worse than el chapo or any other kingpin that deserves to be jailed for the rest of their life.

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