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58 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

That’s fine. I have no ill will towards troph whatsoever. I just don’t think your gender is something that can officially be changed. If you want to live your life that way then more power to you. 

My wife’s sister is a pediatric urologist and has worked with families to choose a child’s gender in cases where the child’s sex characteristics are ambiguous. She has created penises and vaginas. Say the parents and doctor choose male (which is what a Dad chose after my wife’s sister gently recommended female based on the situation). What happens later as the child is growing up and identifies more as female? Is that person a male or female?

 

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Just now, softlynow said:

No, it's realized that for them, every accusation is a confession.

You really think the piece of shit who tried a coup on 1/6/21 (and all this other shit) is going to go quietly this time?

But go ahead, ana2, both sides this.

Dennison is low-key one of our worst posters. 

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6 minutes ago, troph said:

by the way, if you think my driver's license should say M on it - why?  give me the justification.

The reality is when my passport is changed to M, I'm immediately outed. That can put me in extreme danger in many places where I would otherwise be fine. I could be detained at an airport or customs station simply out of morbid curiosity, subject to searches, harassment, etc. Same for my driver's license. That's just the tip of the iceberg.  discrimination in lending, housing, job searches, etc. all open wide up when I'm outed.

Fact is there is not one compelling reason to prohibit my gender marker being left as F in this world that overrides the risk I face if my gender marker is M, none.

 

See this is reasoning I find very compelling. You often don't think of things like this until you hear from people who have to live it.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Given your posts in the NJ UFO thread, you seem like the type who's skeptical of government authority and doesn't take a shine to the government dictating your life. Am I correct on that assumption, based on that posting history?

What if I were to tell you that in this bolded sentence, you're ceding to the government an immense amount of power to a central authority over an extremely personal thing that you take for granted with the comforting knowledge your gender expression conforms to the wishes of the ruling regime?

If you're a religious person, consider that you are imposing a "man's natural order" mindset on God's glorious creation in all its various permutations where the combination of X & Y chromosomes and the infinite mix of hormones allows for (nay, insists on) an astonishing spectrum of possibilities. If you're a nonreligious person, simply replace "God" with "universe."

Now, consider this question:
Who the fuck are you or this government to impose this simplistic, black-and-white, or binomial stricture on a fluid, dynamic, and infinite reality, and under what authority?

Authority. You're giving it away, freely, willingly, an immense amount of it, and that has wide fucking implications for those of us who are just plain old straight vanilla. And it's not because I fear the government suddenly misgendering me, but I do fear one that is emboldened to start making all kinds of other judgments and rulings over other parts of my personal life and right to privacy.

Sure, right now, their focus is on this one small group of people, of which a vanishingly tiny subset play competitive sports. Like Brisket said, the number in NCAA sports is in the single digits. That's your stated concern, right? "Men" playing in "women's" sports.

Why the fuck do you or anyone wish to turn this trivial sports shit that can be (and is) taken care of by the governing body of that sport into some epic, gargantuan fucking issue and place it into the hands of one old man? Do you understand what kind of power you're ceding to a singular individual who has demonstrated throughout his life that he thinks no one can contain his insatiable desire for more?

Have you not picked up on the fact that he has a habit of slicing us up into all these little minority interest groups and individually picking them out for abuse?

If you already understood all that and voted for the man anyway, you are undeniably fascist adjacent, at the very least, and have enabled a dictator. If you didn't grasp this shit, open your fucking eyes. 

 

 

Yes I’m very skeptical of govt. I think all politicians are pieces of shit and on the hook for the most part. The gender in sports debate is just a small part of my beliefs. It’s how I feel. And I stated my reasoning. What’s the problem? 
im more concerned with school shootings and gun control. But thats point has been looked over until the next big one that happens and draws us back in. I think drug control in this country is fucked and our lackadaisical enforcement on the border is a part of it.  All of these conversations are just media controlled talking points to drive the country apart. If there was a democrat that I sympathized with I’d have no problem voting that way. But to immediately taking to someone being  called a Nazi is shallow and short minded and just drives a wedge. I’m here trying to discuss shit. But ppl want to take pot shots and be on their way. Thats cool, I knew how this would go. 

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Imagine defending an indefensible position so staunchly on the internet. The only thing Republicans enjoy more than molesting genitalia is discussing genitalia. 

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1 minute ago, Texasborn91 said:

Yes I’m very skeptical of govt. I think all politicians are pieces of shit and on the hook for the most part. The gender in sports debate is just a small part of my beliefs. It’s how I feel. And I stated my reasoning. What’s the problem? 
im more concerned with school shootings and gun control. But thats point has been looked over until the next big one that happens and draws us back in. I think drug control in this country is fucked and our lackadaisical enforcement on the border is a part of it.  All of these conversations are just media controlled talking points to drive the country apart. If there was a democrat that I sympathized with I’d have no problem voting that way. But to immediately taking to someone being  called a Nazi is shallow and short minded and just drives a wedge. I’m here trying to discuss shit. But ppl want to take pot shots and be on their way. Thats cool, I knew how this would go. 

"How dare people want to hold me responsible for the consequences of my actions!?"

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Posted
5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Maybe he just wants to get the job checking all the girl athletes to make sure they're girls. 

For a second, I thought about responding with a Mick Dundee photo captioned, "Job's taken."  But although my usual stance is "funny is funny," this thread doesn't need that levity right now.

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3 minutes ago, HornPhD said:

My wife’s sister is a pediatric urologist and has worked with families to choose a child’s gender in cases where the child’s sex characteristics are ambiguous. She has created penises and vaginas. Say the parents and doctor choose male (which is what a Dad chose after my wife’s sister gently recommended female based on the situation). What happens later as the child is growing up and identifies more as female? Is that person a male or female?

 

the right decision is to wait. essentially a biological expression of non-binary and wait for the brain to develop enough for the child to signal their gender.  I have no ill will toward the medical establishment on this issue but I do know people devastated by these early decisions.

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12 minutes ago, troph said:

by the way, if you think my driver's license should say M on it - why?  give me the justification.

The reality is when my passport is changed to M, I'm immediately outed. That can put me in extreme danger in many places where I would otherwise be fine. I could be detained at an airport or customs station simply out of morbid curiosity, subject to searches, harassment, etc. Same for my driver's license. That's just the tip of the iceberg.  discrimination in lending, housing, job searches, etc. all open wide up when I'm outed.

Fact is there is not one compelling reason to prohibit my gender marker being left as F in this world that overrides the risk I face if my gender marker is M, none.

 

But Troph you are missing a key part of this. What if he found you hot? WHAT IF HE FOUND YOU HOT!?

One might then have to wrestle with their own sexuality and the implications of not being where they thought they were on the spectrum. That is unacceptable.

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Just now, HornPhD said:

My wife’s sister is a pediatric urologist and has worked with families to choose a child’s gender in cases where the child’s sex characteristics are ambiguous. She has created penises and vaginas. Say the parents and doctor choose male (which is what a Dad chose after my wife’s sister gently recommended female based on the situation). What happens later as the child is growing up and identifies more as female? Is that person a male or female?

 

I’m more open to that. I know not everything is absolutes. But to let a pre pubescent child with clearly defined genitals take hormones bc they identify differently? I disagree with.

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5 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Yes I’m very skeptical of govt. I think all politicians are pieces of shit and on the hook for the most part. The gender in sports debate is just a small part of my beliefs. It’s how I feel. And I stated my reasoning. What’s the problem? 

I think the problem is you've allowed people from the government - that you say you are skeptical of - to dictate a small part of your beliefs. 

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8 minutes ago, softlynow said:

No, it's realized that for them, every accusation is a confession.

You really think the piece of shit who tried a coup on 1/6/21 (and all this other shit) is going to go quietly this time?

But go ahead, ana2, both sides this.

Quietly, probably not.

But he's going to go. I have no doubt about that.

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1 minute ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’m more open to that. I know not everything is absolutes. But to let a pre pubescent child with clearly defined genitals take hormones bc they identify differently? I disagree with.

it's not really the government's place if you mistrust government. and I'm not ignoring the severity of these decisions. It's just not the place for the government by fiat to ban it out right when doctors, mental health professionals, patient and parent are ground zero on the issue for years before any such decision is made.

2 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

But Troph you are missing a key part of this. What if he found you hot? WHAT IF HE FOUND YOU HOT!?

One might then have to wrestle with their own sexuality and the implications of not being where they thought they were on the spectrum. That is unacceptable.

IF?

Men hit on me all the time. I am attractive.

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I think the problem is you've allowed people from the government - that you say you are skeptical of - to dictate a small part of your beliefs. 

These are my personal beliefs. I’ve given plenty of examples of how I disagree with Trump and republican beliefs. 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Texasborn91 said:

Better golfing then napping. All the meanwhile doing exactly what he said he would do. Clear up the gender fiasco, begin to secure the southern border, expose government misappropriation of funds. Not saying I agree with any one thing more than the other but he’s done what his voters elected him for.

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Exactly how is he clearing up the "gender fiasco,"  and what is it exactly?

What government "misappropriation of funds" are you talking about?

And what has he done to secure the southern border?

How about inflation and the price of gas?

Yep, he's already dismissed lowering prices as "really hard to do" (yeah, no shit, Dotard) after berating Biden for it for years. And then there's all the batshit crazy, illegal, and/or authoritarian shit he IS doing that was never mentioned during the campaign. Or how about trying to destroy the judiciary and the legislative branches following P2025 to the letter, despite claiming during the campaign that he knew nothing about it?

"Done what the voters elected him for"? LOL, gtfo with that idiotic shit, @Texasborn91.

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I’m not stupid enough to bitch about the price of eggs in the middle of a bird flu outbreak.

OK then how about all those other prices he's gonna lower, like grocery prices in general? Oh wait. That's right. He already gave up on that, because it's hard. 

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Just now, troph said:

the right decision is to wait. essentially a biological expression of non-binary and wait for the brain to develop enough for the child to signal their gender.  I have no ill will toward the medical establishment on this issue but I do know people devastated by these early decisions.

Agree. The situation I mentioned happened a few years before COVID. I am sure best practices have been updated. I’m sure that a designation of non-binary is frightening to some people. 

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6 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’m more open to that. I know not everything is absolutes. But to let a pre pubescent child with clearly defined genitals take hormones bc they identify differently? I disagree with.

why do you think you have the right to decide for others?

 

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1 minute ago, C-Man said:

The idea of that we are on Steve Bannon's side with regard to anything is, quite frankly, terrifying but here we are.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/steve-bannon-warns-republicans-the-oligarchs-will-abandon-them-theyre-with-us-but-only-temporarily/

That's an argument over strategy, not goals. Bannon is smart enough to realize that Elon's poor impulse control is hurting them in the long term. 

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2 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’m more open to that. I know not everything is absolutes. But to let a pre pubescent child with clearly defined genitals take hormones bc they identify differently? I disagree with.

You need to stop focusing on genitals.  

Ironically, I was given the option to take male hormones (I am male) around the 5th grade because I was short.  Fortunately, my parents and I asked about future effects and the docs said "well, he'll probably end up taller if he just waits for it all to shake out than he would be if he took the hormones".  I was like "fuck that, I'll wait".  So it was perfectly legal for this male-identifying kid to take some version of testosterone but it shouldn't be legal to take something akin to estrogen?  Sure, I wouldn't have done it for gender identity reasons, but that doesn't really move the needle for me.

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3 minutes ago, troph said:

it's not really the government's place if you mistrust government. and I'm not ignoring the severity of these decisions. It's just not the place for the government by fiat to ban it out right when doctors, mental health professionals, patient and parent are ground zero on the issue for years before any such decision is made.

It must be done to keep some sort of order. What jail should a transgender person go to? if they haven’t had gender reassignment surgery? Government is the one that allowed all of this to be so misconstrued.  Nobody is saying you cannot live your life as a transgender. Where is the line drawn?

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1 minute ago, Texasborn91 said:

It must be done to keep some sort of order. What jail should a transgender person go to? if they haven’t had gender reassignment surgery? Government is the one that allowed all of this to be so misconstrued.  Nobody is saying you cannot live your life as a transgender. Where is the line drawn?

You realize, of course, all of these arguments used to be made with regard to race and sexuality.

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2 hours ago, troph said:

That’s funny. We are prepared to stay in Texas for 3 years but know our signals, we’ve been preparing for loss of proper identification - avoid government interactions, how I would drive less or not at all, avoid police interaction, possibly move my residency, then researching states and countries to move too, making moves for early retirement, and all the while and this is probably THE most important …. My friends tell me I have a magical ability to “alchemize” events and circumstances from the negative to the positive so the problems I face become challenges not to overcome but opportunities to triumph. If I’m forced to leave we will live twice as legendary as if we stay. I don’t know how I do it, I just don’t have the innate ability to suffer the plight of a victim, and while there is some ableism in that statement even when I was severely sick, I worked my ass of to triumph through it. I guess the “what if?” line of questioning always leads me to opportunity. They circle the firing squad so to speak on me and my people, what if we went on an adventure? Instead of OMFG we are going to have to flee. And then I just ignore the negative what if’s… I do not think about what if I had more time to think about ordinary things, what if I was cisgender and could run for office, what if I was still a guy, how much money have I lost because I’m not a dude…. What if I get tossed in a men’s jail cell. Those thoughts are not ones I entertain. Instead what if we live on in the mountains of Mexico and wake up to the vibrant cool air, the slow pace of life and without the American soulless social media and for profit industry for everything bearing down on us? I could go on and on. There is a winning mindset in times like these. I lucked into it about the age of 5 in a train wreck or a family of origin. How I chose adaptive behaviors instead of maladaptive behaviors at such a young age? I don’t know, maybe Jesus really does love me.

well that all sounds like a damn gender fiasco! 😋

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

You need to stop focusing on genitals.  

Ironically, I was given the option to take male hormones (I am male) around the 5th grade because I was short.  Fortunately, my parents and I asked about future effects and the docs said "well, he'll probably end up taller if he just waits for it all to shake out than he would be if he took the hormones".  I was like "fuck that, I'll wait".  So it was perfectly legal for this male-identifying kid to take some version of testosterone but it shouldn't be legal to take something akin to estrogen?  Sure, I wouldn't have done it for gender identity reasons, but that doesn't really move the needle for me.

You telling me to stop focusing on genitalia while debating gender is moving the goal post for sure. 

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5 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

These are my personal beliefs. I’ve given plenty of examples of how I disagree with Trump and republican beliefs. 

this is likely the last I will add, again it's incongruent with your core belief that government shouldn't be trusted. just like you say (and I think you believe you have no ill will for me as a human) your choices for who you vote for - I am telling you as someone directly impacted by those choices - are not consistent with what you say matters to you.

 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

my guy you need to get off of facebook and fox news. This shit is not happening in the school nurses' office or to the scope and scale you imply. You are spouting goebbels-levels of propaganda that's disassociated with reality right now.

Yeah, @Texasborn91, it doesn't happen like that. Like ever.

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5 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

It must be done to keep some sort of order. What jail should a transgender person go to? if they haven’t had gender reassignment surgery? Government is the one that allowed all of this to be so misconstrued.  Nobody is saying you cannot live your life as a transgender. Where is the line drawn?

There we go, that's what it always boils down to. You can't outgrow a childish understanding of the world and can't bear any threats to that understanding, and you'll tear the entire world down in a conniption fit thinking you're maintaining order.

What a barren, sunless place your soul must be. 

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4 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

It must be done to keep some sort of order. What jail should a transgender person go to? if they haven’t had gender reassignment surgery? Government is the one that allowed all of this to be so misconstrued.  Nobody is saying you cannot live your life as a transgender. Where is the line drawn?

one more post. 3 months ago I wasn't worried about this issue, at all. but even with surgery trans folk are now going to prison in the cell blocks of their birth sex. So, thankfully I make really good money. guess what is actually under consideration in my household...? hiring a permanent driver so that I can reduce my risk of law enforcement interaction to near zero. I'm almost 50 years old. I don't violate the law, so before you say - don't break the law and you'll have nothing to worry about - that's not the risk. The risk is personal animus against me, espeically if my license is now M that one thing leads to another and I'm in jail for personal animus and pretext reasons.... much like African American men.  I'm literally talking to my wife about moving through society with the same strategies as illegal immigrants because of these policies.

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2 hours ago, South Austin said:

Of course not.  Nothing to criticize Trump about with respect to the bird flu outbreak.

Fired USDA workers were 'boots on the ground' in bird flu battle

 

And that's just another example of just how stupid he is. Right when we have a national crisis he fires the people working on it and wonders why the price of eggs are so high. Everything he does just gets dumber and dumber. No wonder why he's so low on this list. Close to the bottom with all the other republicans.

Presidents ranked by IQ

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2 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

"I don't like politicians and think that they're mostly corrupt."

 

"I'm going to support a guy that wants to amass all the power of the United States into his office and under his sole discretion."

 

How do these align?

Someone wanting less resistance to enact policies they were elected for is somehow a Trump thing? 

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Posted (edited)

This discussion just confirms that for most Trump voters the #1 item on the wish list is punishing those who are different than them. It wasn’t about inflation, government waste, spending money on Ukraine, etc.

The first thing this dumbass mentioned was solving the “gender fiasco”.

That’s why he can declare himself King, throw away the Constitution and these morons will give him a standing ovation.

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Just now, Texasborn91 said:

Someone wanting less resistance to enact policies they were elected for is somehow a Trump thing? 

More than half of people who voted voted for someone other than Donald Trump. There's going to be resistance.

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7 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

You telling me to stop focusing on genitalia while debating gender is moving the goal post for sure. 

I'm not the one who thinks genitalia determines gender.

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3 minutes ago, troph said:

this is likely the last I will add, again it's incongruent with your core belief that government shouldn't be trusted. just like you say (and I think you believe you have no ill will for me as a human) your choices for who you vote for - I am telling you as someone directly impacted by those choices - are not consistent with what you say matters to you.

 

 

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Since we know all roads are leading to the Supreme Court, is there any hope that the court will actually restrain executive power to a meaningful degree and prevent trump from becoming king?

I would think that if they believe that free and fair enough (they clearly side to voter suppression) elections should continue as they have that they wouldn't really want to extend that much power to the next elected Democrat president.  It also seems pretty obvious that trump's policies are going to result in a recession with significant job losses and inflation meaning the republican's chances in 4 years to win an actual presidential election are going to be pretty bad without fraud.

All of this EO action is prelude to the main card.  It's endangered people, making people sick, killing people and taking careers away from many but they obviously don't give a shit about any of that.

What's going to happen with the court?  I personally am maybe 10% hopeful.  I think there will be a 4th judge to side with Sotomayor, Kagan and Jackson.  But you have to peel off two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett or Gorsuch.  I find that a bit hard to fathom.

Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Someone wanting less resistance to enact policies they were elected for is somehow a Trump thing? 

You are right, there are always legal challenges to administrations. There are, however, clear distinctions.

 

CDN media

 

“Therefore, in order to improve the administration of the executive branch and to increase regulatory officials’ accountability to the American people, it shall be the policy of the executive branch to ensure Presidential supervision and control of the entire executive branch. Moreover, all executive departments and agencies, including so-called independent agencies, shall submit for review all proposed and final significant regulatory actions to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) within the Executive Office of the President before publication in the Federal Register.”

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1 minute ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

But you have to peel off two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett or Gorsuch.  I find that a bit hard to fathom.

Ironically, Donkey Dong Doug and Squi's buddy Brett seems to have turned out to be one of the least fascist of the justices.  Again, what a world.

Posted
42 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

As it turns out, it doesn't. Athletes will cheat, lie, and steal in almost every manner to win but as it turns out even they have their limits.

I was a decent JC basketball player and DIII wide receiver; however, becoming a female in order to be more dominant in a sport never crossed my mind. Man, I could have been a DI All-American in women’s basketball. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

Since we know all roads are leading to the Supreme Court, is there any hope that the court will actually restrain executive power to a meaningful degree and prevent trump from becoming king?

I would think that if they believe that free and fair enough (they clearly side to voter suppression) elections should continue as they have that they wouldn't really want to extend that much power to the next elected Democrat president.  It also seems pretty obvious that trump's policies are going to result in a recession with significant job losses and inflation meaning the republican's chances in 4 years to win an actual presidential election are going to be pretty bad without fraud.

All of this EO action is prelude to the main card.  It's endangered people, making people sick, killing people and taking careers away from many but they obviously don't give a shit about any of that.

What's going to happen with the court?  I personally am maybe 10% hopeful.  I think there will be a 4th judge to side with Sotomayor, Kagan and Jackson.  But you have to peel off two of Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett or Gorsuch.  I find that a bit hard to fathom.

They already made him a de facto king last year with their immunity ruling. They're not going to challenge him now, they're going to punt and call all this shit a political question that Congress and the White House need to sort out (knowing Congress won't assert itself).  

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