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On 3/8/2025 at 10:26 PM, Brian Fantana said:

There's one coming out with Sam Seder vs. 20 conservatives tomorrow I think lol

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

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16 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

The way these young people "debate" feels like the result of right wing YouTube/podcasts over the last decade. A bunch of people that bought the disinformation from Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Tim Pool and the cast of characters Joe Rogan books. 

Zero ability to critically think or even listen to Sam Seder. He brought facts and information and not a single person absorbed a word of it. They had their off-topic talking points ready and fired away. Completely hopeless to even discuss issues with them. 

 

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I went to visit some relatives in South Texas last weekend.  To the person they are MAGA through and through.  This has  been very disappointing to me because I love these people.  They are genuinely good, hard-working people.  They definitely believe themselves to be good Christians.  I have stayed away over the last few years in large part because of politics.  I don't want to be open with them about my politics because I know that would fundamentally change how they view me.  I don't want to engage with them about politics, but I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut.  So it's safer to stay away.  Anyhow, I was with them Saturday night for a little while.  Several of them were sitting around the kitchen table talking about politics.  I was listening, but not participating.  One of my aunts said something derisive about the mice transgender thing. I couldn't help myself and said, "No, it was a mice transgenic study."  She and another aunt asked me, "What's that mean?"  So I explained as briefly as I could.  One of my uncles said something along the lines of, "I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes to the government for things I want them to pay for; that I benefit from.  The ONLY thing the government does that benefits me is the military."  He was dead fucking serious.  He then went on about another ridiculous story about another study the government funded about the effects of tequila on goldfish.

What I took away from this is that these folks do no critical thinking whatsoever.  It's not that they are not capable of it.  They are all of normal intelligence.  I'm not sure the reason, whether there has never really been a reason for them to exercise critical thinking or if they are just too absorbed in their lives and activities to take the time and mental capacity to engage is such a thing.  These are all boomers.  Up until fairly recently in their lives, all news and media has been fairly unquestioned.  If Dan Rather or Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw said it on the evening news there was no reason to question it.  Same with every newspaper in circulation.  People used to not need to apply critical thinking to what they were seeing in the media.  I'm sure that all of these people only watch Fox News.  That's probably because they know it aligns with their preconceived notions and political ideology and makes them feel good.  So, feeling good (dopamine hits or whatever the fuck you get from confirmation bias) and zero critical thinking accounts, according to me, for why my family members are the way they are.

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8 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

One of my aunts said something derisive about the mice transgender thing. I couldn't help myself and said, "No, it was a mice transgenic study."  She and another aunt asked me, "What's that mean?"

Trump said the transgender mice thing during the state of the union speech. All the republicans laughed and cheered. 

I know it's not feasible, but the democratic rebuttal to his speech should have just been a series of fact checks. Probably time restrictions there though.

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9 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

  He then went on about another ridiculous story about another study the government funded about the effects of tequila on goldfish.

I mean, I would be for that study 100%

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9 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Malcolm Nance believes turnip absolutely plans to “annex” both Canada and Greenland, and he lays out his argument as to why he believes this and how it will go down in the gift substack. Spoiler, he is predicting a second civil war. 
 

https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-trump-is-planning?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=m83ne&triedRedirect=true

That scenario is 100% on the table.

Americans need to decide who they are loyal to -- the Republic, or the Trump regime.  Because those two interests have a real, material chance of being in a shooting war against each other sooner than anyone would like to think.

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35 minutes ago, Red Five said:

democratic rebuttal to his speech should have just been a series of fact checks

Fact checks don’t change minds anymore.  

 

46 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

People used to not need to apply critical thinking to what they were seeing in the media.  I'm sure that all of these people only watch Fox News. 

This-it’s not a popular opinion but we’re suffering from too much democracy in an information environment that’s too dispersed for most normal media consumers to critically work through and analyze every new piece of information.  
 

This fracturing of attention makes capturing any block of voter’s attention paramount, and by any means necessary.  It sort of begets a Fox News, which before it went bananas was still sensationalistic instead of going for credible.  Big media on the left are struggling with the same challenge (how to compete with social media), and are/have adopted similar strategies (for example, the NT TImes website ran nine articles in on their page the other day about “Trump bad”, and the 10th was about Dr. Pimple Popper).

All of this, of course, feeds into the distrust of institutions generally which is just fucking terrible for running a democracy.  

The biggest long-term problem is, in my opinion, the lurch from GOP to DEM every election that I’d expect from citizen unrest (because the media environment has created a “whoever is in power sucks” malaise among the slice of the electorate that decides non-gerrymandered elections).  

I don’t know what the solution is, either, aside from some kind of armistice between parties that lets them carve up power so that less partisan candidates candidates can be successful.  

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17 hours ago, Colonel Sanders said:

That shit was like the Battle of the Alamo.  And by Alamo, I mean the 2001 Texas Tech-aTm game, where Mike McKinney had to fend off Gap Kid and Harry Potter.

Victory or Shreveport!

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I guess letting a 78 year old convicted rapist with late stage syphilis brain crash the economy is worth getting rid of 1 trans swimmer. 

And three VB players!!! It adds up, right? To like 10?
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2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Malcolm Nance believes turnip absolutely plans to “annex” both Canada and Greenland, and he lays out his argument as to why he believes this and how it will go down in the gift substack. Spoiler, he is predicting a second civil war. 
 

https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/urgent-warning-trump-is-planning?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=m83ne&triedRedirect=true

That's fucking nuts.

And, about as likely as anything to come from this administration.  Holy fuck.

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39 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's fucking nuts.

And, about as likely as anything to come from this administration.  Holy fuck.

The similarities between Trump's new rhetoric about Canada and Putin's rhetoric about Ukraine are hard to ignore.

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2 hours ago, LCHorn said:

 

This-it’s not a popular opinion but we’re suffering from too much democracy in an information environment that’s too dispersed for most normal media consumers to critically work through and analyze every new piece of information.  
 

Yes, yes, yes, fuck yes.  The First Amendment is killing us right now because there is no check on what anyone can say.  The most outrageous lies get the most eyeballs and the most ad dollars.  Not good for election results.  We need to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine, at a minimum.  As far as a First Amendment case, at what point does calling the Jan. 6th insurrectionists false flag operatives and that Ukraine invaded Russia become a lot like yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater?

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1 minute ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Yes, yes, yes, fuck yes.  The First Amendment is killing us right now because there is no check on what anyone can say.  The most outrageous lies get the most eyeballs and the most ad dollars.  Not good for election results.  We need to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine, at a minimum.  As far as a First Amendment case, at what point does calling the Jan. 6th insurrectionists false flag operatives and that Ukraine invaded Russia become a lot like yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater?

How would social media be policed?  A Russian bot shitposting on Facebook couldn't possibly be held to the (old) Fairness Doctrine standards, could it?

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6 hours ago, speed817 said:

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

Yikes. Just incredible how their minds think, although that might not be the right word for it.

The fact check on the trans question he had for the gay guy that wouldn't answer it was that ~4700 kids used puberty blockers over that 4 year period and only .1% of the patients in that study were transgender. Meaning, the issue is so miniscule, that it is statistically irrelevant. That was Sam's point that he didn't get to finish.  

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

How would social media be policed?  A Russian bot shitposting on Facebook couldn't possibly be held to the (old) Fairness Doctrine standards, could it?

You start by forcing Social Media to police itself. Allow rampant bots and misinformation posting on our website? Massive fucking fines. Multiple transgressions? Charges against executives.

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

You start by forcing Social Media to police itself. Allow rampant bots and misinformation posting on our website? Massive fucking fines. Multiple transgressions? Charges against executives.

I'm sure Congress and the FCC will get right on that.

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5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

The best definition of fascism comes from Roger Griffin, who defines it as palingenetic ultranationalism. That can sound kind of wonky though since nobody knows what palingenesis is and still sort of sounds like an ideology even though fascism isn't really ideological, so Umberto Eco's 14 traits of ur-fascism is probably the best way to explain it to most people:

 

To this, here’s some pure fascist rhetoric on Fox News.  

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm sure Congress and the FCC will get right on that.

Well, I'm thinking more like the changes that can be implemented and enshrined into law after the next civil war. 

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On 3/9/2025 at 4:09 PM, Satchel said:

Or it could be that there are very obvious similarities between Trumpism and Nazism. 

One wonders if the legal community in 1930s Germany was also bullied into silence?
 

Fear of Trump Has Elite Law Firms in Retreat - The Wall Street Journal.

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7 hours ago, speed817 said:

Just watched it this morning.....oh boy......

 

 

 

Saw clips last night. 

 

There was no way Kamala was wining with those people. They are completely lost. I don’t know how you get those voters back. 

Someone on one of the socials said the people in these clips should be making iced lattes and doing theatre not arguing for fascism 

 

I also think COVID fucked up this country more than the country cares to or wants to admit

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1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

 

Saw clips last night. 

 

There was no way Kamala was wining with those people. They are completely lost. I don’t know how you get those voters back. 

Someone on one of the socials said the people in these clips should be making iced lattes and doing theatre not arguing for fascism 

 

I also think COVID fucked up this country more than the country cares to or wants to admit

Electing Obama president broke us.

The rise of social media broke us more.

Russian disinformation having free reign through said social media and now actual news outlets broke us even more.

COVID broke us even more.

The result.....is that this is all that's left:

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We are hopelessly shattered.  And all the kings horses and all the kings men will not be able to put us back together again.



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