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I think the Dems biggest weak spot that theoretically could’ve been mitigated was border security. Throw some token resources at it. Make some PR arrests and deportations. Instead when there were reports of organized criminal activity, they poopooed it. Tried to move on.
 

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

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1 minute ago, raw dog said:

I think the Dems biggest weak spot that theoretically could’ve been mitigated was border security. Throw some token resources at it. Make some PR arrests and deportations. Instead when there were reports of organized criminal activity, they poopooed it. Tried to move on.
 

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

https://jabberwocking.com/next-weeks-ice-raid-is-just-theater/

 

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2 minutes ago, raw dog said:

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

True.  I saw that something like 70% of Americans are in favor of deporting illegals with criminal records.

They're desensitizing us to these images by using a group that most people don't feel a lot of sympathy for.

The problem is that they will slowly start expanding this shit as soon as they realize we've lost interest.  Or they'll give us something else to be outraged about instead (Reichstag Fire in 3... 2... 1...).

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7 minutes ago, raw dog said:

I think the Dems biggest weak spot that theoretically could’ve been mitigated was border security. Throw some token resources at it. Make some PR arrests and deportations. Instead when there were reports of organized criminal activity, they poopooed it. Tried to move on.
 

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

except this would be giving in to the lie. this is playing along with a border crisis that doesn't exist (or didn't before dotard took back over). what you're asking is for the dems to be complicit in the maga lies in order to win political favor. surely there is a better path

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

True.  I saw that something like 70% of Americans are in favor of deporting illegals with criminal records.

They're desensitizing us to these images by using a group that most people don't feel a lot of sympathy for.

The problem is that they will slowly start expanding this shit as soon as they realize we've lost interest.  Or they'll give us something else to be outraged about instead (Reichstag Fire in 3... 2... 1...).

Or they'll just do it for the cameras and that will be enough politically.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Or they'll just do it for the cameras and that will be enough politically.

This is what I'm hoping for.

But I'd have more hope if one of our new leader's closest advisors hadn't thrown out a pair of Nazi salutes on Inauguration Day.

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Just now, TexArcher said:

This is what I'm hoping for.

But I'd have more hope if one of our new leader's closest advisors hadn't thrown out a pair of Nazi salutes on Inauguration Day.

We'll see how long Elmo likes having to go through the White House Chief of Staff to get in Trump's ear.

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23 minutes ago, raw dog said:

I think the Dems biggest weak spot that theoretically could’ve been mitigated was border security. Throw some token resources at it. Make some PR arrests and deportations. Instead when there were reports of organized criminal activity, they poopooed it. Tried to move on.
 

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

 

Except there was an effort made, until Trump started twisting arms of the GOP senators to make them drop the deal.  It included many of the things the MAGA folks wanted.  Why, almost a full year ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

 

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Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as their likely presidential nominee.

In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable.

 

 

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“I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is … really appalling,” said GOP Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump.

He added, “But the reality is that, that we have a crisis at the border, the American people are suffering as a result of what’s happening at the border. And someone running for president not to try and get the problem solved. as opposed to saying, ‘hey, save that problem. Don’t solve it. Let me take credit for solving it later.’”

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

3) it’s a mixed bag for the Greenlanders, all 60k of them, 90% of whom are indigenous, but one thing that is almost certain is that they would all become individually quite wealthy, overnight.

Can you explain this part?  

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18 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Biden did roughly the same number of ICE arrests. But when the gross amount coming in is much more, then there’s a delta there that is substantial over 4 years. That’s pretty straightforward. 
 

Then there’s also the optics of flying people in from everywhere. Everyone saw the migrants in gray sweats in airports. It put out a visual that we were going out of our way facilitate anybody coming. Again, the average American probably isn’t for that. It may not have changed things, but could’ve dialed that back some imo. 

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1 minute ago, raw dog said:

Biden did roughly the same number of ICE arrests. But when the gross amount coming in is much more, then there’s a delta there that is substantial over 4 years. That’s pretty straightforward. 
 

Then there’s also the optics of flying people in from everywhere. Everyone saw the migrants in gray sweats in airports. It put out a visual that we were going out of our way facilitate anybody coming. Again, the average American probably isn’t for that. It may not have changed things, but could’ve dialed that back some imo. 

There's also the problem of the average American not having the first clue as to how much the American economy depends on undocumented labor.

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49 minutes ago, raw dog said:

I think the Dems biggest weak spot that theoretically could’ve been mitigated was border security. Throw some token resources at it. Make some PR arrests and deportations. Instead when there were reports of organized criminal activity, they poopooed it. Tried to move on.
 

Now in the first week Trump is getting served up the low hanging fruit of rounding up these people and sending them home. Easy, good publicity for him. The average American isn’t thinking wow, what a shame we’re kicking them out. They’re thinking why were they allowed to be here. This is difficult for Dems to counter. 

Yeah, this and the trans issue was where they made themselves really vulnerable.  I have no idea how to navigate the trans issue without throwing them to the wolves, but I think some lip service to strengthening the border could have been done without being inhumane.  Of course, the bipartisan immigration bill was a big step  . . . .  But no one really understood what was in it, or cared.

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Another dropped ball for Biden was the failure to hold that AI announcement that Trump had the other day. It’s already been set for a while but Trump walks in and spikes the football. Of course, I’m not sure Biden could have held a press conference about AI not to mention that he and his staff pretty much sulked the last 6 months.

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21 minutes ago, raw dog said:

Biden did roughly the same number of ICE arrests. But when the gross amount coming in is much more, then there’s a delta there that is substantial over 4 years. That’s pretty straightforward. 
 

Then there’s also the optics of flying people in from everywhere. Everyone saw the migrants in gray sweats in airports. It put out a visual that we were going out of our way facilitate anybody coming. Again, the average American probably isn’t for that. It may not have changed things, but could’ve dialed that back some imo. 

Yeah, the asylum issue is tough, which is where those came from.  It is how a lot of hostile Americans got here, like Cubans and any that fled Soviet or Chinese communism.  And I suspect a lot of Central Americans have more valid claims to asylum than past groups.  But there's a perception that most or a lot of asylum claims are bullshit.

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Another dropped ball for Biden was the failure to hold that AI announcement that Trump had the other day. It’s already been set for a while but Trump walks in and spikes the football. Of course, I’m not sure Biden could have held a press conference about AI not to mention that he and his staff pretty much sulked the last 6 months.

Well, I think the Biden administration regards AI with a bit of caution, as it rightly should.  And AI computing centers are an environmental disaster.  Thinking people aren't really that excited by AI.

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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, this and the trans issue was where they made themselves really vulnerable.  I have no idea how to navigate the trans issue without throwing them to the wolves, but I think some lip service to strengthening the border could have been done without being inhumane.  Of course, the bipartisan immigration bill was a big step  . . . .  But no one really understood what was in it, or cared.

This is the thing right here. Everything everyone says about this shit is completely uninformed. It's not like raw dog looked up what Dems spent on CBP and ICE before making that post, or bothered to remember that actually they made a huge fucking deal about negotiating a bipartisan reform package and specifically tried to promote the border security aspects of it. No, no matter what they do Dems are "weak on the border" and everyone just agrees that's the case. There's nothing they could possibly do to successfully buck that propaganda and we know that because they just fucking tried

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7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is the thing right here. Everything everyone says about this shit is completely uninformed. It's not like raw dog looked up what Dems spent on CBP and ICE before making that post, or bothered to remember that actually they made a huge fucking deal about negotiating a bipartisan reform package and specifically tried to promote the border security aspects of it. No, no matter what they do Dems are "weak on the border" and everyone just agrees that's the case. There's nothing they could possibly do to successfully buck that propaganda and we know that because they just fucking tried

If y'all haven't already noticed, Raw Dog is someone's latest account, one of them, at least.

I mean, his first post was in the Covid thread, after all.

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On 1/25/2025 at 3:20 PM, Aqua Buddha said:

I've noticed something on various Twitter and Reddit posts.  It's that Gen Z is now obsessed with "body count."  They think anything above 10 means you're whore or a porn star.  (This is even a plot line on the "Sex Lives of College Girl" on Max, which isn't a terrible show.)  Older people have pushed back saying numbers of 50-150 aren't terrible depending on age.  (It's fairly easy to average 5-10 per year and extrapolate that over time.)  I've trolled them and said if you're an adult man and are reasonably attractive and have decent people skills and at least an OK job, sex is easy to get.  They get visibly angry at this.  

On one thread, some dude weighed in and said he was an attractive 59 year old, attractive doctor and regularly has sex with 4-5 women every month.  (If he's in a big city, that is believable.)

I've also noticed that the young women seem to have higher numbers than men, which is backed up by this stat in that link.  A lot more young women are having sex than young men.  That tells me the young men that are having sex are having sex with lots of girls and the incels are at 0.

A whopping 24% of males 22-34 had not had sex in 2022-2023 — up from 9% in 2013-15. For females, the number was 13%, up from 8%.

Holy shit. LMAO at these mfers with zero game at all. I lost count of the 'bodies' way back when I was still delivering pizzas for the West Campus Domino's in the mid-80s.

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Except it is stupid and bad because Denmark is a treaty Ally, and a good one at that, and we could address nearly all of the legitimate security issues by talking to them instead of threatening them. All except making it “ours.” 
 

I am not sure at all where this messaging is coming from that Denmark is shitty and mistreats Greenlanders.  They have nearly full autonomy and get most of their budget paid for by Denmark.  They get to be EU citizens with full freedom of movement.  They are fine enough that they have the luxury to turn down major extractive projects over environmental concerns.

It’s not like it’s so awesome to be an American Samoan or Guamanian and we’re so much better.  This bit is a lot of posturing and just giving cash payments to Greenlanders raises the question of if PR and Samoans get one, too. 

Some good points here.  In response to some other good points.

This place can be the best, really.

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55 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Can you explain this part?  

Sure. Probably the best way to explain it is that Greenland isn’t Denmark’s to sell. Greenland can walk when they want to.  
 

It’s more that we would be purchasing Greenland’s acceptance as sovereign. Greenland would vote based on some combination of public and private investment, both one time and ongoing, and some component of that would necessarily include a large cash payment to the people there.  I also have to imagine that Greenland would set up some kind of bidding war between the US and Canada, and would want to retain at least the autonomy they have or greater. 

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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Except it is stupid and bad because Denmark is a treaty Ally, and a good one at that, and we could address nearly all of the legitimate security issues by talking to them instead of threatening them. All except making it “ours.” 
 

I am not sure at all where this messaging is coming from that Denmark is shitty and mistreats Greenlanders.  They have nearly full autonomy and get most of their budget paid for by Denmark.  They get to be EU citizens with full freedom of movement.  They are fine enough that they have the luxury to turn down major extractive projects over environmental concerns.

It’s not like it’s so awesome to be an American Samoan or Guamanian and we’re so much better.  This bit is a lot of posturing and just giving cash payments to Greenlanders raises the question of if PR and Samoans get one, too. 

Alas, poor Greenland!  I knew it, 956: a country of infinite minerals, I have bored holes in it a thousand times.

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5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Except it is stupid and bad because Denmark is a treaty Ally, and a good one at that, and we could address nearly all of the legitimate security issues by talking to them instead of threatening them. All except making it “ours.” 

That’s a how point, not a what point. 

 

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I am not sure at all where this messaging is coming from that Denmark is shitty and mistreats Greenlanders.
 

Me neither. Your rectum perhaps?

7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

They have nearly full autonomy and get most of their budget paid for by Denmark.  They get to be EU citizens with full freedom of movement.  They are fine enough that they have the luxury to turn down major extractive projects over environmental concerns.

They want independence (and in the past Denmark has made it clear they would  like to be off the hook financially) but haven’t held a referendum for it because they would can’t backfill $500mm/year and NATO protection by themselves.

12 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s not like it’s so awesome to be an American Samoan or Guamanian and we’re so much better.  This bit is a lot of posturing and just giving cash payments to Greenlanders raises the question of if PR and Samoans get one, too

Nice strawman, for the  the record:

1) DC should be ceded to Virginia and Maryland

2) Puerto Rico should be a state

3) if someone want to purchase overlordship of Samoa and Guam I’m all ears. 

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18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Except it is stupid and bad because Denmark is a treaty Ally, and a good one at that

And one more thing- maybe if the Danes were so worried about Greenland they shouldn’t have left its defense to the allies and signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazis. It’s important to recall that Greenland essentially declared independence in 1940 after the Fall of Denmark and invited the United States to defend it. And we have been holding it ever since. 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s a how point, not a what point. 

 

Me neither. Your rectum perhaps?

They want independence (and in the past Denmark has made it clear they would  like to be off the hook financially) but haven’t held a referendum for it because they would can’t backfill $500mm/year and NATO protection by themselves.

Nice strawman, for the  the record:

1) DC should be ceded to Virginia and Maryland

2) Puerto Rico should be a state

3) if someone want to purchase overlordship of Samoa and Guam I’m all ears. 

The how and what can’t be disentangled. I can have good reasons for wanting to obtain my neighbor’s tract but how I got about getting it absolutely is a part of of the decision tree. Blowing up your reputation and friendships is something sane people weigh heavily. 

Your willingness to part with Samoa and Guam is wild considering how much this whole Greenland spat is about security interests with China being cited regularly. 

This whole debate is loony, it’s part of the slow process of normalizing absolutely reprehensible, 19th century behavior. 
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And one more thing- maybe if the Danes were so worried about Greenland they shouldn’t have left its defense to the allies and signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazis. It’s important to recall that Greenland essentially declared independence in 1940 after the Fall of Denmark and invited the United States to defend it. And we have been holding it ever since. 

“Maybe if Ukraine wanted Donbas and Crimea then Bandera shouldn’t have…” “The Ukrainian Khrushchev gifted Crimea against its residents’ will…” blah blah blah.  

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

“Maybe if Ukraine wanted Donbas and Crimea then Bandera shouldn’t have…” “The Ukrainian Khrushchev gifted Crimea against its residents’ will…” blah blah blah.  

Give me a fucking break. That’s a truly stupid analogy and borderline offensive on top of it. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

Give me a fucking break. That’s a truly stupid analogy and borderline offensive on top of it. 

Lulz, you’re absolutely engaging in stupid historical gibberish to justify going and taking a piece of territory from country.  Putin bangs on and on about how Russia has the right to what it wanes because of World War II and alleged failures of other nations. 

You’re normally a sane poster, step away from the old GOP think-tankers desperately try to pretend things aren’t as shitty as they are.  Close your eyes and try to imagine GHWB bullying Denmark to seize Greenland.  

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2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Lulz, you’re absolutely engaging in stupid historical gibberish to justify going and taking a piece of territory from country.  Putin bangs on and on about how Russia has the right to what it wanes because of World War II and alleged failures of other nations. 

If you are seriously equating the Soviet occupation of Ukraine in WWII as a pretext for the current Russian invasion to our welcome presence in Greenland, ongoing since we stopped the Nazis from invading it in 1940 you have no business lecturing anybody about “historical gibberish.”

 

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You’re normally a sane poster, step away from the old GOP think-tankers desperately try to pretend things aren’t as shitty as they are.  Close your eyes and try to imagine GHWB bullying Denmark to seize Greenland

Perhaps the first sentence should be an indication that maybe this isn’t the break you think it is.  
Trump is obviously nonsensical in his approach, and his motives have nothing to do with the foreign policy stakes at issue here. That said, he can’t bully Denmark to seize Greenland. It doesn’t belong to Denmark. Greenland accepts Danish overlordship and can leave at any time. 

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10 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Oh yeah, thanks for the non-partisan infrastructure plan that should have been done decades ago.  You did the bare minimum to keep the economy going as we go head first into the abyss of fascism.  How about the minimum wage?  Or the promised public option?  

The point is the democrats have largely regressed on policy since Obamacare and opted to mostly play defense while also managing to lose the big elections (these things could be related!)

The idea of universal healthcare or tuition free college isn’t even in the realm of possibilities anymore for Democrats. That is a massive leadership failure. 

So you’re ignoring the largest climate bill in our history too?

Sure they have regressed on policy a bit. I mean they clearly have tried to cater to middle ground voters in an effort to win. The Overton window shifted massively to the right. 
It’d be super awesome if they ran on free college and free healthcare but that clearly wouldn’t win for them.

Republicans literally spent decades telling everyone they were going to take away healthcare and social security so not really sure what you think dems should have done.

It’s not a leadership failure, it’s populace failure. Blaming progressives, or dems, or neocons, or Hilary or Kamala is all bullshit window dressing. This country has an education problem and that’s why we are here.

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8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If you are seriously equating the Soviet occupation of Ukraine in WWII as a pretext for the current Russian invasion to our welcome presence in Greenland, ongoing since we stopped the Nazis from invading it in 1940 you have no business lecturing anybody about “historical gibberish.”

 

Perhaps the first sentence should be an indication that maybe this isn’t the break you think it is.  
Trump is obviously nonsensical in his approach, and his motives have nothing to do with the foreign policy stakes at issue here. That said, he can’t bully Denmark to seize Greenland. It doesn’t belong to Denmark. Greenland accepts Danish overlordship and can leave at any time. 

Trump is, right now, trying to bully Denmark into selling us Greenland which gives lie to the absolute mind-numbing stupidity of the way you’re describing home rule and Greenland’s relationship with Denmark. 
 

I have no idea what you’re driving at with the whole World War II diversion.  You are correct that across Europe and the North Atlantic, the U.S. liberated and defended territories and countries.  Unlike the Soviets, we didn’t make them ours.  Now 80 years later we are changing our minds? 
 

The correct approach to this is to let Greenland and the Danes sort their relationship out, not put our finger on the scale one way or another. 

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14 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Trump is, right now, trying to bully Denmark into selling us Greenland

once more, for clarity: DENMARK CAN’T SELL US GREENLAND. While the words people use may describe something that sounds like that, that framing does not accurately reflect the nature of Denmark’s relationship with Greenland. Greenland can choose to leave Denmark, and can choose to subject itself to us, or independence. 

 

14 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

which gives lie to the absolute mind-numbing stupidity of the way you’re describing home rule and Greenland’s relationship with Denmark

Consider for a moment that you are implying that Trump is accurately describing it. It’s like you are screaming “TRUMP IS TRYING TO BULLY OUR ALLIES INTO PAYING TARRIFS ON IMPORTS TO THE US.”

14 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have no idea what you’re driving at with the whole World War II diversion.  You are correct that across Europe and the North Atlantic, the U.S. liberated and defended territories and countries.  Unlike the Soviets, we didn’t make them ours.  Now 80 years later we are changing our minds? 

This goes may back well before WWII. I summarized the history of Danish and US involvement in Greenland upthread.

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