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17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

once more, for clarity: DENMARK CAN’T SELL US GREENLAND. While the words people use may describe something that sounds like that, that framing does not accurately reflect the nature of Denmark’s relationship with Greenland. Greenland can choose to leave Denmark, and can choose to subject itself to us, or independence. 

 

Consider for a moment that you are implying that Trump is accurately describing it. It’s like you are screaming “TRUMP IS TRYING TO BULLY OUR ALLIES INTO PAYING TARRIFS ON IMPORTS TO THE US.”

This goes may back well before WWII. I summarized the history of Danish and US involvement in Greenland upthread.

The Danish parliament has to concur with any independence referendum, it has always been viewed as pro forma because the Danes are chill and pragmatic, but of course turning this into an issue of national pride and bullying from a superpower has a way of changing equations.  You’re seriously misrepresenting how the relationship works. 
 

You are correct that 19th century style imperialism has a logic to it.  For hundreds of years the U.S. has been involved or wanted lots of territory including huge chunks of Mexico, Cuba, the Philippines, Greenland, and others.  It’s almost like the world has changed and we figured out a better way to coexist and advance our interests. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Except it is stupid and bad because Denmark is a treaty Ally, and a good one at that, and we could address nearly all of the legitimate security issues by talking to them instead of threatening them. All except making it “ours.” 
 

I am not sure at all where this messaging is coming from that Denmark is shitty and mistreats Greenlanders.  They have nearly full autonomy and get most of their budget paid for by Denmark.  They get to be EU citizens with full freedom of movement.  They are fine enough that they have the luxury to turn down major extractive projects over environmental concerns.

It’s not like it’s so awesome to be an American Samoan or Guamanian and we’re so much better.  This bit is a lot of posturing and just giving cash payments to Greenlanders raises the question of if PR and Samoans get one, too. 


This is silly. Just look at the respect and support that trump gives our current territories. Greenland would be thrilled to be treated with such dignity.

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1 minute ago, GenXer said:


This is silly. Just look at the respect and support that trump gives our current territories. Greenland would be thrilled to be treated with such dignity.

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That was terrible. And the treatment of PR has sucked for a long time, no matter what administration. See the power outages a few weeks ago? The contract to rebuild the grid sat in protest for a long time.

Also, can you do that image with him throwing Elon?

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I’ll be honest, first time I’ve heard the national anthem in a few weeks just now tuning into bills v chiefs. Not sure how I feel about it, brown, black, immigrant, women, queer, gay and trans not welcome. Saw one player with a tear, I’m sure it was about being in the game, I pretended it was solidarity with all of us who are deemed “other”. That helped a smidge. What a country we live in. Heartache is the only way to describe it. Same feeling I have with Texas. Just pure heartache.

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2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Make Every Coffee Starbucks Coffee 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and state that if the Starbucks CEO donates something, say, oh, a million to the Trump Presidential Library fund, coffee will be exempt from import tariffs.  

 

 

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So I had felt that outside of eggs, grocery inflation had held pretty stable over the last year at least as it comes to HEB prices.

Costco has been a lot more interesting. At first in post pandemic inflation it seemed they were resisting the in vogue nature of rising prices. But they succumbed as the manufacturers and suppliers raised prices.

What’s interesting is how they continue to raise prices. I’m curious if that’s something you’ll see from others as well or if it’s just a hang over.

Today I noticed their 200 ct trash bags went up $1 from last week (17.99 vs 16.99). 50 lb Diamond Water softener salt is also up a $1 (6.99 vs. 5.99). I can’t say when that price hike happened but it’s also pretty recent. 

Just more things to watch imo …..

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3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Treating Latin American countries this way is the surest way to get more China presence in the Americas. 

He doesn’t understand that shit, he’s playing checkers.

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53 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Seems we've done ok security wise with it in Denmark's hands. 

Because it wasn’t and hasn’t been for 85 years. 
 

 

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Danish parliament has to concur with any independence referendum, it has always been viewed as pro forma because the Danes are chill and pragmatic, but of course turning this into an issue of national pride and bullying from a superpower has a way of changing equations.  You’re seriously misrepresenting how the relationship works. 

lol ok

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You are correct that 19th century style imperialism has a logic to it.  For hundreds of years the U.S. has been involved or wanted lots of territory including huge chunks of Mexico, Cuba, the Philippines, Greenland, and others.  It’s almost like the world has changed and we figured out a better way to coexist and advance our interests. 

Again, strawman. What else you got? 

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22 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I take back what I said about you being usually sane.  Go off, big dawg. 


This is about what Greenland wants, period. Not Trump, not Denmark. The indigenous people of Greenland are holding all the cards.
The idea that *Denmark* with a weak claim and no reason to hold onto it other than wounded patriotism could legislatively stop Greenland from declaring itself  independent (which is what we are talking about here) and choosing its own destiny is absurd. Your argument is that the Danish parliament refuses to accept, and then …?

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10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


This is about what Greenland wants, period. Not Trump, not Denmark. The indigenous people of Greenland are holding all the cards.
The idea that *Denmark* with a weak claim and no reason to hold onto it other than wounded patriotism could legislatively stop Greenland from declaring itself  independent (which is what we are talking about here) and choosing its own destiny is absurd. Your argument is that the Danish parliament refuses to accept, and then …?

The “weak claim” is just Trump-world bullshit.  You’ve established you don’t give a fuck about laws or Allies.  Like I said, go off big dawg.  I’m uninterested in discussing things with people who choose to engage based on propaganda and a warped worldview.  

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9 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Seems we’ve done okay security wise for the last 85 years.  

Except that we've been invaded by 11 million painters and busboys!  And like 4 of them killed white people.  Plus, they're shipping Fentanyl across the border, and that's making the insider info our hedge fund managers are getting from Big Pharma worth a little less to our portfolios, so it's Gulf of America time.  Might even be Boot Up Yer Ass time soon, Pedro.  Murka.  Fuck yeah.

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Heading there Thursday.  Can’t wait to make it clear to anyone who asks about where I’m from, how much I hate this fuckstain.  

Mrs GenXer has to travel to denmark for an enterprise software sales meeting with a prospect in a week or so. Awkward.

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5 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Except there was an effort made, until Trump started twisting arms of the GOP senators to make them drop the deal.  It included many of the things the MAGA folks wanted.  Why, almost a full year ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

 

 

 

 

In year 4 was way too late 

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2 hours ago, troph said:

I’ll be honest, first time I’ve heard the national anthem in a few weeks just now tuning into bills v chiefs. Not sure how I feel about it, brown, black, immigrant, women, queer, gay and trans not welcome. Saw one player with a tear, I’m sure it was about being in the game, I pretended it was solidarity with all of us who are deemed “other”. That helped a smidge. What a country we live in. Heartache is the only way to describe it. Same feeling I have with Texas. Just pure heartache.

I feel the same way I felt when I saw Gina Chavez perform it at Pride Night in 2021 at the FC Game: the song and the flag belong to everyone except the people who think it only belongs to themselves. They don’t get the flag, they don’t get the anthem and as far as I’m concerned they shouldn’t be left any safe spaces for hate, either. 

28 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The “weak claim” is just Trump-world bullshit.  You’ve established you don’t give a fuck about laws or Allies.  Like I said, go off big dawg.  I’m uninterested in discussing things with people who choose to engage based on propaganda and a warped worldview.  

Bless your heart. 

25 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Seems we’ve done okay security wise for the last 85 years.  

In part because we’ve occupied Greenland, at their invitation, for 85 years. 

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