Trump’s America

[Evil Bill Obrien 3087]

3 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Colin Allred disparaged all transgender girls when he put an ad out that said,  “So let me be clear. I don’t want boys playing girls’ sports."  

You are only outraged with a R says stuff like that.

 

Surely you can't be serious....can you??

Fuck outta here with that dumbass post

[Balcones 448]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I think we agree on a lot of points.  Trump is just the symptom here.  Things will be mostly fine for the next 75 years imo then get bad, fast.  But the next 4-8 years won’t have us on the verge of a civil war.  
Also what country are these people that are so frustrated going to?  Honest question.  I travel frequently and I still don’t see a country where some dirt poor minority has even close to the same chance to become a damn billionaire or whatever the fuck else they please to become.  

Ask @PenelopeWitherspoon.  He is in the process of leaving.

[Captainant 27100]

24 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Thank you for clarifying this. You cant be too certain these days.

 

 

HAW HAW AHW HAW TRANS PEOPLE HAW HAW HAW

[Balcones 448]

1 minute ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Surely you can't be serious....can you??

Fuck outta here with that dumbass post

Maybe you didn't see the quotes from the people he offended.

[GenXer 2653]

3 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

Honest answer: your guess is as good as mine. I’m not a doctor but I believe the flu shot is dead flu strains that the CDC believes will be the predominant strains based on cases in Australia or southern hemisphere countries. These dead strains are added to the base vaccine and administered accordingly.

Again, no idea exactly. But we will find out soon enough and that’s exciting.

Exciting? I kinda prefer the predictability of the approach the medical community currently employs.

But fuck it. Chaos gets clicks.

[Old Freak Nasty 813]

For me, Trump doing a "good" job would mean doing absolutely nothing.  He's going to fuck the judiciary beyond belief with appointments and stop arming Ukraine and look the other way at Israel, but after that nothing.  No federal abortion ban, no deportations, no new or increased tariffs, no dilution of NATO.  I'd consider that good.  He can build some stupid wall as a vanity project, rip off the federal government to Trump Co's benefit and do some other dumb shit that doesn't matter much, but other than that let the government atrophy for 4 years would be as good as we can get.

Edited 5 hours ago by Old Freak Nasty

[Balcones 448]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

HAW HAW AHW HAW TRANS PEOPLE HAW HAW HAW

Hotwheels.  Is that the term yall use and giggle about?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33767]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

Hotwheels.  Is that the term yall use and giggle about?

nah, I prefer Sitler

[Captainant 27100]

1 minute ago, Balcones said:

Hotwheels.  Is that the term yall use and giggle about?

Last time I checked, the state wasn't creating lists of crippled people to keep tabs on, like Germany's enemies of the people lists. And what Paxton is doing with medical records in Texas right the fuck now

Edited 5 hours ago by Captainant

[Pato del Muerto 52175]

16 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

stage 1 of the mass deportation will be violent criminals here illegally per one of his heads on cnn just now

does anyone know how many there are?

stage 2 they will figure out "in 2 weeks"

So uh shouldn’t we secure the border before the deportations start?

[Gandalfish 313]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I think we agree on a lot of points.  Trump is just the symptom here.  Things will be mostly fine for the next 75 years imo then get bad, fast.  But the next 4-8 years won’t have us on the verge of a civil war.  
Also what country are these people that are so frustrated going to?  Honest question.  I travel frequently and I still don’t see a country where some dirt poor minority has even close to the same chance to become a damn billionaire or whatever the fuck else they please to become.  

I totally agree with you that Trump is the symptom of our democracy failing, not the cause of it. I suspect he will hasten it but only time will tell.

I disagree on your time frame, but that is just a gut feeling, I'm not a fortune teller.

The root of the problem is the fabric of our society is coming apart. Hell there are tons of angry liberals in this thread that are basically saying "America is too stupid for democracy" -- This is an extremely undemocratic (small d) opinion!

 

[ChiTownDoc 20982]

7 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Ask @PenelopeWitherspoon.  He is in the process of leaving.

Well it’s a she and she’s pretty well off.  Those that have made it can go to whatever fancy country they please.  I’m looking at my own island. 
I’m saying where would you want to grow up ass poor if you have aspirations of making it big or your children doing very well. IMO good ole USA is still the best place to be.  

Edited 4 hours ago by ChiTownDoc

[Michael Knight 12828]

2 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

For me, Trump doing a "good" job would mean doing absolutely nothing.  He's going to fuck the judiciary beyond belief with appointments and stop arming Ukraine and look the other way at Israel, but after that nothing.  No federal abortion ban, no deportations, no new or increased tariffs, no dilution of NATO.  I'd consider that good.  He can build some stupid wall as a vanity project, rip off the federal government to Trump Co's benefit and do some other dumb shit that doesn't matter much, but other than that let the government atrophy for 4 years would be as good as we can get.

He's going to appoint complete fucktards like Musk and RFK Jr to important positions and then let them go hog wild

[capnamerca 533]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I travel frequently and I still don’t see a country where some dirt poor minority has even close to the same chance to become a damn billionaire or whatever the fuck else they please to become.  

I fear you're falling into the trap of what America used to be. Sheer inertia will continue our standard of living for a while, but the gnashing of teeth from a lot on here is in reaction to a very clear changing of the guard. Hell, I'd argue that the rags-to-riches story of American Exceptionalism hasn't really been a legitmate outcome for 20 or 30 years now; just look at real wage growth over time, or the accumulation of wealth (and how America USED to deal with this level of disgusting aggregation), or any of a 1000 other signs that basically boil down to "rich get richer."

 

And before you say "yeah but it's always been that way," it hasn't been that way to this level since the days of Rockefeller. And it took a Great Depression, and then the most liberal progressive president the entire world had ever seen to turn it around, which led to the actual creation of that American dream we all cling to. Unions, jobs programs, welfare programs, wider access to health care, pollution control programs, widespread education programs. 

 

The REASON that the last 5-6 generations of Americans think that this is the best country in the world to come be a 'self-made man' is because of all the social programs put in place to make it possible, and they're almost all unilaterally under attack from the incoming government and it's mega-rich supporters. 

[tx 3 putt 75791]

lot of warnings going out about Jan 20th. Stephen Miller won’t september families this time, he’s shipping them all away. 

 

 

look for abbott and paxton to be asking all school children to have updated citizenship status. they’ll make a list. if you round up the kids from school, the parents will show up and turn themselves in 

Edited 4 hours ago by tx 3 putt

[ChiTownDoc 20982]

1 minute ago, Gandalfish said:

I totally agree with you that Trump is the symptom of our democracy failing, not the cause of it. I suspect he will hasten it but only time will tell.

I disagree on your time frame, but that is just a gut feeling, I'm not a fortune teller.

The root of the problem is the fabric of our society is coming apart. Hell there are tons of angry liberals in this thread that are basically saying "America is too stupid for democracy" -- This is an extremely undemocratic (small d) opinion!

 

Every republic since the beginning of time was too stupid for democracy.  The problem now is stupid congregates and colludes like never before, thanks to the internet.  
 

And yes, I’m being sarcastic - kind of.  

[capnamerca 533]

12 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I travel frequently and I still don’t see a country where some dirt poor minority has even close to the same chance to become a damn billionaire or whatever the fuck else they please to become.  

double-post. Sorry.

Edited 4 hours ago by capnamerca

[Michael Knight 12828]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

Well it’s a she and she’s pretty well off.  Those that have made it can go to whatever fancy country they please.  I’m looking at my own island. 
I’m saying where would you want to grow up ass poor if you have aspirations of making it big or your children doing very well. IMO good ole USA is still the best place to be.  

It hasn't been that way for a long time, I'd rather be in Germany,  England (even with all their problems) or any Nordic country. Really any place with universal healthcare, free schools and a social safety net you're more likely to be better off, now if you're rich then America is still a great place to live or immigrate to like Elon Musk

[ChiTownDoc 20982]

2 minutes ago, capnamerca said:

I fear you're falling into the trap of what America used to be. Sheer inertia will continue our standard of living for a while, but the gnashing of teeth from a lot on here is in reaction to a very clear changing of the guard. Hell, I'd argue that the rags-to-riches story of American Exceptionalism hasn't really been a legitmate outcome for 20 or 30 years now; just look at real wage growth over time, or the accumulation of wealth (and how America USED to deal with this level of disgusting aggregation), or any of a 1000 other signs that basically boil down to "rich get richer."

 

And before you say "yeah but it's always been that way," it hasn't been that way to this level since the days of Rockefeller. And it took a Great Depression, and then the most liberal progressive president the entire world had ever seen to turn it around, which led to the actual creation of that American dream we all cling to. Unions, jobs programs, welfare programs, wider access to health care, pollution control programs, widespread education programs. 

 

The REASON that the last 5-6 generations of Americans think that this is the best country in the world to come be a 'self-made man' is because of all the social programs put in place to make it possible, and they're almost all unilaterally under attack from the incoming government and it's mega-rich supporters. 

I’m agreeing it’s getting worse and I also said it would fall off a cliff in under 100 years.  Inertia is a good thing.  
Climate change etc - there’s a lot that looks horrible in 100 years that looks only uncomfortable in 8 years.  Glad we decided not to have kids over here…

[Hagbard Celine 10590]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Well it’s a she and she’s pretty well off.  Those that have made it can go to whatever fancy country they please.  I’m looking at my own island. 
I’m saying where would you want to grow up ass poor if you have aspirations of making it big or your children doing very well. IMO good ole USA is still the best place to be.  

instead of buying your island, how about being the angel investor for an app i want to build?

$250k gets you 17% of Class A split with the CFO and myself (i.e. first 3 in control 51%)

[ChiTownDoc 20982]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

It hasn't been that way for a long time, I'd rather be in Germany,  England (even with all their problems) or any Nordic country. Really any place with universal healthcare, free schools and a social safety net you're more likely to be better off, now if you're rich then America is still a great place to live or immigrate to like Elon Musk

Tons of family in UK and been to all those places.  You know all the refugees they take in over there?  They would absolutely kill to be over here.  They look just like my brown ass and you can go over there and ask them. I know more than a few.  

[Balcones 448]

2 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

It hasn't been that way for a long time, I'd rather be in Germany,  England (even with all their problems) or any Nordic country. Really any place with universal healthcare, free schools and a social safety net you're more likely to be better off, now if you're rich then America is still a great place to live or immigrate to like Elon Musk

What's holding you back?  Go get those bennys!!

[Gandalfish 313]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Every republic since the beginning of time was too stupid for democracy.  The problem now is stupid congregates and colludes like never before, thanks to the internet.  
 

And yes, I’m being sarcastic - kind of.  

Democracy was never meant to be quick, lean, and efficient.

It's meant to be relatively fair, safe, and help people feel like they have agency.

The absolute best government would be an objectively benevolent dictator. This is a highly theoretical concept that is great while it lasts, but how do you keep it? The dictator's kid will likely be a schmuck.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13375]

5 hours ago, Balcones said:

Wow. You never went to school growing up? Amazing.

I’m fairly certain my school taxes today are not paying for my public school education from 30+ years ago. But maybe there is some magical retro payment system that flows into a different county. 

[ChiTownDoc 20982]

1 minute ago, Gandalfish said:

Democracy was never meant to be quick, lean, and efficient.

It's meant to be relatively fair, safe, and help people feel like they have agency.

The absolute best government would be an objectively benevolent dictator. This is a highly theoretical concept that is great while it lasts, but how do you keep it? The dictator's kid will likely be a schmuck.

I don’t think we are disagreeing on much.  I’m just resigned to the fact this democracy was gonna end up like all the rest.  And yeah, the ones who voted for Trump…many of those will suffer the most.  I guess I’m happy I won’t suffer.  Yay

[David Dennison 18154]

7 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

It hasn't been that way for a long time, I'd rather be in Germany,  England (even with all their problems) or any Nordic country. Really any place with universal healthcare, free schools and a social safety net you're more likely to be better off, now if you're rich then America is still a great place to live or immigrate to like Elon Musk

 But do they want you?

[G650 13546]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

I don’t think we are disagreeing on much.  I’m just resigned to the fact this democracy was gonna end up like all the rest.  And yeah, the ones who voted for Trump…many of those will suffer the most.  I guess I’m happy I won’t suffer.  Yay

We are all going to suffer, just in different degrees. We already are really.

[David Dennison 18154]

10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

lot of warnings going out about Jan 20th. Stephen Miller won’t september families this time, he’s shipping them all away. 

 

 

look for abbott and paxton to be asking all school children to have updated citizenship status. they’ll make a list. if you round up the kids from school, the parents will show up and turn themselves in 

Cheer up, Democrats. If there's one small bit of comfort it's knowing that the ding dongs on the right are going to overreach.

 

[Michael Knight 12828]

Just now, David Dennison said:

 But do they want you?

I'm a lazy middle class intellectual, I'm accepted wherever I go.

[DaysOff 7724]

Have a wonderful day!

God isn't real!

[chainsaw 9764]

LOL at the idiots disappointed that Stein "only" got .5% get fucked

[pearlandhorn 3264]

19 minutes ago, GenXer said:

Exciting? I kinda prefer the predictability of the approach the medical community currently employs.

But fuck it. Chaos gets clicks.

I guess ignorance is bliss to some.

[tx 3 putt 75791]

 

[G650 13546]

Lotta people fixing to die

[linux 1532]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Cheer up, Democrats. If there's one small bit of comfort it's knowing that the ding dongs on the right are going to overreach.

 

I want them to overreach but the way Musk wants, 0 deficit, shock therapy, austeraty, this limits damage to the economics a lot more than family deportations. Lastly they affect everyone (except super rich), we all must suffer.

Edited 4 hours ago by linux

[GenXer 2653]

4 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

I guess ignorance is bliss to some.

Enjoy your bliss

[B00M 6176]

15 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

He's going to appoint complete fucktards like Musk and RFK Jr to important positions and then let them go hog wild

RFK being in charge of anything might be the wildest shit to come out of this whole nightmare. Trumps cabinet will be an all-star team of weirdos and misfits. When Elon sits at that table, he will genuinely be the smartest man in the room. 

[tx 3 putt 75791]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

Lotta people fixing to die

 

blue bell firing up their listeria flavor for late jan

[Evil Bill Obrien 3087]

26 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Maybe you didn't see the quotes from the people he offended.

So you are going to seriously sit here and try and convince me you actually care about people Colin Allred supposedly offended by saying that...

[GenXer 2653]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Fruit loops: not healthy

hot take

[Thatguy 8232]

  How the election went at my house-

 

My daughter was playing their first playoff game(volleyball). So my wife's well off parents came to town to watch her play. Her dad is a "the tv is always on Fox" kind of guy. My kid's team won their game in straight sets. On the drive home this dude is looking at maps on his phone. Glancing over I can see that it doesn't look good for the good guys. Now I am in a bad mood but I am trying just not to talk so I don't lash out at anyone. We get home and eat something and I find a reason to turn in. My wife, also trying to avoid political talk, comes with. I break the news to her that Harris is going to lose and she gets extremely upset. Not having anyone to take our frustrations out on we end up lashing out at each other. This morning I decide to leave before anyone is awake. Later on my wife calls me and told me that her and her mom got into it. My wife attacked her about voting for Trump(they live in Zona) and how now our Type 1 diabetic daughter's life may be in jeopardy. My daughter comes down, hears the news, and starts crying profusely, saying she doesn't want to go to school(kids at school know she is a liberal). My MIL is caught off guard by how upset my daughter got. My wife goes over some policies in Texas that they didn't know about. They were stunned. Too late.

So now we are going to have a household meeting about our Texas exit strategy. My kid is headed to a blue state to play college volleyball and we are selling and leaving too. This might seem like hyperbole to some but if Jews had gotten out while they could...... We see the trend of people moving here because "screw the libs" from moderate to liberal states. Texas is going to get redder and redder so time to find our tribe and bunker up.

[softlynow 1698]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

I want them to overreach but the way Musk wants, 0 deficit, shock therapy, austeraty, this limits damage to the economics a lot more than family deportations. Lastly they affect everyone (except super rich), we all must suffer.

The budget deficit is around -$1.8 T. Discretionary spending is about -$1.6T with just under half being military. 
 

I know Elon is generally full of shit, but you’d have to make serious Social Security and/or Medicare. 
 

So, yeah, we’re all gonna feel it. 

[pearlandhorn 3264]

9 minutes ago, GenXer said:

Enjoy your bliss

I sincerely hope you enjoy more information of what you’re putting in your bloodstream.

[Hagbard Celine 10590]

i would wager at least 25 million trump voters are taking social security, medicare or both

let's see how that goes down

[Gatorubet 29903]

23 minutes ago, Gandalfish said:

The root of the problem is the fabric of our society is coming apart. Hell there are tons of angry liberals in this thread that are basically saying "America is too stupid for democracy" -- This is an extremely undemocratic (small d) opinion!

They voted for a convicted and admitted sexual predator - a man whose family had a charity that stole from children cancer patients - a man who is cheated almost every contractor he ever employed, and his employees admitted during his trial they might be fired if they paid what Trump agreed to pay in a contract without getting it reduced.

They voted for a man who made fun of people with visible health problems, voted for a man who said police should smash the head of presumed until innocent arrestees on police cars, a man who only the stupidest human beings on earth would be able not to tell was a pathological liar and narcissist, a president who stole national security documents - and then lied about it and tried to hide them after he stole them, and a man who swore to take revenge on the news, political opponents, and anyone who opposed him.

You have the fucking gaul to question calling those people ‘stupid’ under those absolutely true and unquestioned facts

The fabric is coming apart because those fucking idiots are too stupid to tell that the fabric is coming apart, and support the least honorable or stable or competent or intelligent president in our history.    

[softlynow 1698]

I wonder if farm subsidies getting huge cuts would cause any blowback. 

[linux 1532]

Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

i would wager at least 25 million trump voters are taking social security, medicare or both

let's see how that goes down

First to go, accelerationism is our only long term solution, someone mentioned FDR before, we need a great depression for priorities to realign for people to understand voting has consequences.

[TwiceHorn 30908]

31 minutes ago, Gandalfish said:

I totally agree with you that Trump is the symptom of our democracy failing, not the cause of it. I suspect he will hasten it but only time will tell.

I disagree on your time frame, but that is just a gut feeling, I'm not a fortune teller.

The root of the problem is the fabric of our society is coming apart. Hell there are tons of angry liberals in this thread that are basically saying "America is too stupid for democracy" -- This is an extremely undemocratic (small d) opinion!

 

As a former conservative, let me remind you of the "free shit army" that was a very popular political theme at TOS.

The sentiment that the electorate is too stupid to vote is a #bothsides thing.  But the conservatives criticizing the free shit army was at least criticizing an electorate, or portion thereof, voting in its short-term best interests, at least.  Now they're not voting in their self-interest at all.

And, only one side is actively attempting to deny votes to the electorate, and by no means just the stupid ones.

 

 

[linux 1532]

And I hate accelerationism as a voting strategy but not as a don't interrupt your enemies making mistakes, I was terrified that we were banking on perfect candidates every 4 years to remain normal, there is a rot in the foundation and it starts by people not understanding how good they have it, they will if shock therapy happens.

[Hagbard Celine 10590]

3 minutes ago, softlynow said:

I wonder if farm subsidies getting huge cuts would cause any blowback. 

damn that's a good idea

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