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2 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Have we discussed the SAVE Act yet? Not the one Trump nixed to make student loans unaffordable again. The new Chip Roy one that will, among other things, possibly make it difficult for married women who changed their last name to vote.

https://www.newsweek.com/married-women-stopped-voting-save-act-2029325

Feature, not a bug.  A married woman doesn't need to vote - her husband, as the head and master of the household, votes for the household.

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3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Hahaha! When you’re too maga for the Governor of Oklahoma you might have over maga’d.

 

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To paraphrase: “We were fired for trying to implement Trump’s agenda. The governor wrongly thinks the federal government should be in control of the school board.”

Wat? I still find it amazing that I can be shocked at the pure stupidity of these people. 

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1 hour ago, sidis said:

walters is your run of the mill maga dipshit but his dipshittery was actually impacting the school system in oklahoma. he wanted bible verses on the wall of every classroom and he was withholding school security funds and shit like inhalers for the schools that were congressionally directed. he got investigated by the state a.g. and a bunch of congressional committees raked his ass for. the a.g. even called him out for spending $6 million on trump bibles but not actually using the appropriated $250k for inhalers that the legislature directed.

https://kfor.com/news/local/drummond-sends-walters-scathing-letter-criticizing-year-long-delay-in-supplying-schools-life-saving-inhalers/

here's some more:

https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/news/oklahoma-ag-orders-state-superintendent-to-release-school-security-funds/160955/

https://www.okappleseed.org/ryan-walters-gross-misconduct

it is a classic case of these highly charged maga dipshits being placed in roles they have absolutely no business being associated with and incompetently executing not their duties.

he also made a video after the new orleans terror attack on 1/1 saying that public teachers were partially to blame for the attack. he's a lunatic.

 

 

anastasis with the defense of strides made in public education was not on my bingo card this morning. bozo casanova having fucking terrible aesthetic taste in yet another medium (e.g. utter trash tv for simps by taylor sheridan) to go along with everything else he has terrible taste in certainly was.

it's obviously a mixed bag on changes in education and that is predictably dependent on community. perhaps you should reevaluate your hostility to westlake. my older kid is in middle school in eanes and we just registered her classes for next year and the options were utterly astounding to me relative to my options in east texas in the mid to late 90's. she is 12 and doing robotics, programming web design, and an engineering and philosophy class. at my high school it was auto tech, woodshop, and ag (also valuable in their own ways obviously) and in middle school, it was p.e. and...nothing. she will take calculus her sophomore year and my high school did not even offer calculus at any grade. that said, eanes, like every other district on the fucking planet, cannot escape the inevitability of having shit-for-brains coaches teaching social studies and history classes which is frustrating. perhaps a contributor to our current predicaments.

It's weird.  I went to an "elite" public high school.  The course offerings today are much broader than they were in my day, going deep into AP, whereas we had Calculus, Chemistry, Biology and English (and added physics on my way out).  Of course, AP has many more course offerings than it did back then, too.

Nonetheless, my friends who now live in the district say the quality of education has deteriorated from our day.  Seems mostly to do with teachers and their tenure.  They're not as good as they used to be and don't have the years of experience they had back then.

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1 hour ago, sidis said:

walters is your run of the mill maga dipshit but his dipshittery was actually impacting the school system in oklahoma. he wanted bible verses on the wall of every classroom and he was withholding school security funds and shit like inhalers for the schools that were congressionally directed. he got investigated by the state a.g. and a bunch of congressional committees raked his ass for. the a.g. even called him out for spending $6 million on trump bibles but not actually using the appropriated $250k for inhalers that the legislature directed.

https://kfor.com/news/local/drummond-sends-walters-scathing-letter-criticizing-year-long-delay-in-supplying-schools-life-saving-inhalers/

here's some more:

https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/news/oklahoma-ag-orders-state-superintendent-to-release-school-security-funds/160955/

https://www.okappleseed.org/ryan-walters-gross-misconduct

it is a classic case of these highly charged maga dipshits being placed in roles they have absolutely no business being associated with and incompetently executing not their duties.

he also made a video after the new orleans terror attack on 1/1 saying that public teachers were partially to blame for the attack. he's a lunatic.

 

 

anastasis with the defense of strides made in public education was not on my bingo card this morning. bozo casanova having fucking terrible aesthetic taste in yet another medium (e.g. utter trash tv for simps by taylor sheridan) to go along with everything else he has terrible taste in certainly was.

it's obviously a mixed bag on changes in education and that is predictably dependent on community. perhaps you should reevaluate your hostility to westlake. my older kid is in middle school in eanes and we just registered her classes for next year and the options were utterly astounding to me relative to my options in east texas in the mid to late 90's. she is 12 and doing robotics, programming web design, and an engineering and philosophy class. at my high school it was auto tech, woodshop, and ag (also valuable in their own ways obviously) and in middle school, it was p.e. and...nothing. she will take calculus her sophomore year and my high school did not even offer calculus at any grade. that said, eanes, like every other district on the fucking planet, cannot escape the inevitability of having shit-for-brains coaches teaching social studies and history classes which is frustrating. perhaps a contributor to our current predicaments.

thanks for the reply. yeah LT has great options for go getters, the regular classes are terribad though.

Posted
2 hours ago, troph said:

What’s the straight story here? What did they do to warrant the firing?

The shortest version is that everyone hates Ryan Walters and thinks he’s a clown.
Unlike Texas, Oklahoma‘s GOP at the party level is still somewhat controlled by chamber of commerce types and they have managed to keep the base somewhat at bay. 

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25 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The right is who made test scores the end all be all.

You can certainly correct me when I am wrong, but was not "Race to the Top" on of the key initiatives driving the linking of standardized test scores to teacher performance evaluations?  I know that some of you think that every bad thing is the world is cause the "right" and every good thing the "left", but with education, as with many other things, both sides should rightly get run. I know, I know. 

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44 minutes ago, sidis said:

i have a lot of thoughts on this as the son of a public school teacher and a private school principal, along with the husband to an public school elementary school reading specialist for kids with learning disabilities or dyslexia. i am not going to do a "Surly Hijack™®" on the Trump's America thread with a full exploration, i'll just quickly note that while there is obviously nothing objectionable about your post in concept, it ignores both the reality of what primary education's mission capabilities are in terms of arming as wide a swath of children as possible with fundamental building blocks to begin the process of critical thinking (arithmetic, fundamental science concepts, reading, etc...), as well as the unfortunate reality of what would happen if one attempted to impose the school of athens on the wider population of children and not self-segregated smaller communities of predisposed children that have both the contextual privilege (economically, family) and the innate desire to be exceptionally driven.

it is, of course, what we all want and strive for but it betrays a lack of experience in both sides of the primary education machinations to believe that the reason "the system" is not ideal has nothing to do with being forced to integrate accommodation for an extreme breadth of circumstances in the human condition including the fact that not all students are exceptional and some students are there and the school is simply trying to ensure their literal survival...and everything in between. the system has evolved to what it is as a reflection of the human condition because we made a decision as a society some time back that all kids need to be educated...not just the ones that are privileged enough to be economically positioned to or that are elevated thinkers. it is easy to run the school of athens when your pupils are plato, aristotle, thomas aquinas, kant, copernicus, galileo, hume, newton, tesla, lao tzu, and descartes. the system (and unfortunately the outcomes) is going to be impacted by having to also deal with the broader spectrum. (hence the disingenuous nature of the state's voucher bullshit/welfare for the upper middle class)

i don't share any hostility towards your thoughts here and i don't disagree that we have unfortunate consequences of having to force a more normally distributed system on a non-normally distributed population in primary education but it is a bit fantastical to espouse these idealized learning proposals without acknowledging the vast array of realities that undermine their effectuation and prospect of broader success.

and of course, none of that is to say anything about the hostility towards public education and the lack of valuing teachers altogether in a way that inspires more exceptional people to take that path. imagine being a high quality teacher in oklahoma and the superintendent of schools shoots a dumbass phone video in his car in which he ties the new orleans terrorist attack to you.

great post. Appreciate the points made. 

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23 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You can certainly correct me when I am wrong, but was not "Race to the Top" on of the key initiatives driving the linking of standardized test scores to teacher performance evaluations?  I know that some of you think that every bad thing is the world is cause the "right" and every good thing the "left", but with education, as with many other things, both sides should rightly get run. I know, I know. 

In case you haven't noticed, Republicans have been in charge of Texas public education for the past 30 years. But sure, both sides.

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1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

If that were to somehow get through, we would experience a complete collapse of  every county hospital in the country without big tax increases at a county level to further subsidize the losses.

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If that were to somehow get through, we would experience a complete collapse of  every county hospital in the country without big tax increases at a county level to further subsidize the losses.

Did ya see the bit on nursing homes? Have you been in one lately? Eating their own faces, indeed.
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2 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Trump Humiliated in the ‘Most Powerless Image Ever’ of a U.S. President: O’Donnell

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Even the kid knows....

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just read that the Moscow Mitch was the lone 'no' on the Nazi side of the vote for Gabbard and now I am fully convinced someone gave the simulation a sense of humor or at least an inkling regarding irony.

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34 minutes ago, royiv said:

If that were to somehow get through, we would experience a complete collapse of  every county hospital in the country without big tax increases at a county level to further subsidize the losses.

Let it happen. The country needs to collapse in order for everyone to see the leopards for what they are. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Let it happen. The country needs to collapse in order for everyone to see the leopards for what they are. 

Unless you can afford your own private security force, you probably don't want that to happen.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Unless you can afford your own private security force, you probably don't want that to happen.

What I want is irrelevant. 

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22 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Let it happen. The country needs to collapse in order for everyone to see the leopards for what they are. 

 

19 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Unless you can afford your own private security force, you probably don't want that to happen.

 

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

What I want is irrelevant. 

Dahobbs gets it.

We are on track to get a BRUTAL series of chemo treatments, taking our society right up to the brink of death.  Many of us won't make it.  The weakest will suffer the most, but everyone who is not a billionaire will likely suffer some, and be at risk for real violence.

None of us every wanted it to be that way (except for Anastasis).  We're just acknowledging "that's how it be."

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28 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

just read that the Moscow Mitch was the lone 'no' on the Nazi side of the vote for Gabbard and now I am fully convinced someone gave the simulation a sense of humor or at least an inkling regarding irony.

I would kill for a Dick Cheney/Mitch republican ticket in charge right now. Go back in time and imagine thinking that 10 years ago.

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Posted (edited)
28 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I would kill for a Dick Cheney/Mitch republican ticket in charge right now. Go back in time and imagine thinking that 10 years ago

you mean the same republican fucks who intentionally put us on this path with White Heritage Society propaganda and the young law school grads fast-tracked to help them hijack our judiciary?

fuck all (R)s.

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

just read that the Moscow Mitch was the lone 'no' on the Nazi side of the vote for Gabbard and now I am fully convinced someone gave the simulation a sense of humor or at least an inkling regarding irony.

He singlehandedly had the power to stop this, all of it, if he would have whipped for impeachment after January 6.

While the blood may be on Trump's hands, Mitch gave him the knife.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

We have always been at war with eastasia

 

 

But it's the republicans who like really really hate language policing, right? 

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Posted
49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

None of us every wanted it to be that way (except for Anastasis).  We're just acknowledging "that's how it be."

Maybe I was just ahead of the curve acknowledging "that's how it be." 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe I was just ahead of the curve acknowledging "that's how it be." 

Naaah, your active rooting for suffering far pre-dating the leopards face buffet is not exactly a secret.

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7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

He singlehandedly had the power to stop this, all of it, if he would have whipped for impeachment after January 6.

While the blood may be on Trump's hands, Mitch gave him the knife.

made worse by the reality that Trump had already delivered the judges he needed to rig the system. what a fucking coward. I hope he rots in hell and dies an ugly painful death.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Naaah, your active rooting for suffering far pre-dating the leopards face buffet is not exactly a secret.

"Rooting for suffering"?  Tell you what, quote one post where I have openly rooted for suffering of anyone in such words. I can quote yours quite easily. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

"Rooting for suffering"?  Tell you what, quote one post where I have openly rooted for suffering of anyone in such words. I can quote yours quite easily. 

You've wanted the exact outcome we're experiencing for more than a few years.

The rest of us, on the other hand, warned and worked AGAINST this outcome.  This is NOT what we wanted, at all.  But....now that we the people have enthusiastically chosen it, so be it.  The only way out of this path is counting on the psychology of pain aversion - bolstered by actual experience of said pain - to do its work.  We picked a path where the only options are 1) continuous, long-term low to moderate level suffering, and continuing social decline, or 2) short term brutal suffering, so harsh that it prompts us to change course.  Given that circumstance....hell yes we root for the one that will lead to us changing course.

I mean, human society took a "burn it all down" approach in the 30s and 40s.  We learned a lot, and many things were improved afterwards.  Was it worth the price, and wouldn't it have been better to have avoided learning those lessons the hard way?

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

You've wanted the exact outcome we're experiencing for more than a few years.

The rest of us, on the other hand, warned and worked AGAINST this outcome.  This is NOT what we wanted, at all.  But....now that we the people have enthusiastically chosen it, so be it.  The only way out of this path is counting on the psychology of pain aversion - bolstered by actual experience of said pain - to do its work.  We picked a path where the only options are 1) continuous, long-term low to moderate level suffering, and continuing social decline, or 2) short term brutal suffering, so harsh that it prompts us to change course.  Given that circumstance....hell yes we root for the one that will lead to us changing course.

I mean, human society took a "burn it all down" approach in the 30s and 40s.  We learned a lot, and many things were improved afterwards.  Was it worth the price, and wouldn't it have been better to have avoided learning those lessons the hard way?

we're entering the techbro-controlled Lochner era. our future is bleak.

Posted
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You must give the drunk/addict/Magat the dignity to suffer the consequences of their own actions.

Yes.  But the problem is that we knew all along that "their own actions" include drunkenly driving their car down a crowded sidewalk.  Sure, they end up crashed against a pole, bleeding and with a totaled car.  But Jesus, the broken people they leave in their wake.

We learned a lot about fascism, and why it is bad, in the 30s and 40s.  And all it cost us was millions and millions of lives.  Oh, and then....it turns out that the lesson didn't even fucking stick.  What a fucking waste.  That's the problem....what a fucking waste.  20 million dead in Europe, 6 million of them jews.  And....for what?  To learn a "lesson" that lasted maybe three generations, to then be forgotten?  What.  A fucking.  Waste.

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Just now, Clintonaldo said:

Oh, so now we are shaming drunk driving ???

Naah, not anymore.  Shaming people for hurting others just because they want to do whatever the fuck they want, you can't tell me what to do, is "woke."  And we don't do no commie "woke" 'round here.



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