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16 minutes ago, pacman said:

Sports in not that serious, for one.

Sir this is the United States of America, the nation where parents hold their kids back a year so they'll be better at sports in high school.

 

We all know those sports uber alles parents. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also note that that data was gathered from insurance statistics.

Does anyone think that insurance pays out on claims for treatment that's not medically necessary?  Or, stated differently, if they could reject those claims because elective or not medically necessary that they would not?

And, that's relative to ~72 million Americans under age 18.  And an even tinier fraction of that is ever going to attempt to participate in a sport that doesn't match their birth certificate.

Is this "gender fiasco" really something that should be driving national politics?  Really?  I mean like, for real?

Since it does, ask yourself why?

.001806% of the under 18 population. definitely should be the lead issue for EVERY politician...

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49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Just wanted to toss out there a PERFECT encapsulation of Trumpism/MAGA.

- There is a relatively prominent attorney.

- He is super-Republican: pictures all over his social media with lots of GQP heavy-hitters.

- The bulk of posts on his social media are images of various bible quotes, so he's obviously SUPER-"Christian."

So, we've checked the key boxes -- GQP, very outwardly and show-y "Christian."

 

He just got a "show cause" order from a Federal Court.  That order tells him to show up in court, and give the court a reason not to cut his dingus clean off, because.....in response to a motion to dismiss one of his lawsuits as frivolous, he said (paraphrasing) oh yeah?  Well, I have an EXPERT who examined my case and says it has meritorious facts.  Here's an affidavit from him saying so!  Problem: the affidavit was signed, and states as much, on a certain date.  The expert?  Well...he's been DEAD....for a year before that date....and the lawyer knew it.  There is, literally, no way the expert signed that affidavit.

So, this is how GQP MAGA Christian world operates -- just shamelessly lie and commit fraud on the court.

The pathological dishonesty is a FEATURE, not a bug.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Common sense would seem to dictate that we leave it up to parents and doctors.

Or the kid once they reach a certain age. But that’s only regarding gender reassignment. 
 

It was suggested to my wife and I by a doctor to get our then 8 year old on puberty blockers bc of her height. It took all of 10 seconds for my wife and I to blow her off. Shes almost 10 now and still no puberty. We may be saying the same thing. Idk. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Texasborn91 said:

Idk let’s use some common sense. We can’t drive til 16. Vote til 18. Do we want 12 year olds voting in elections? Or driving? Those seem like decent precedents to start at 

Do you have kids?  Because if you do, you understand it is a complicated balance between figuring out what they are mature/responsible enough to handle and what they are not.   My son did not diagnose himself as being on the spectrum, nor was he excluded from the process because we were seeing some differences from neurotypical children.   I cannot feel how his brain reacts to ADHD medication, but I can work with him to find a better one.   When an acquaintances daughter had panic attacks, they did not consult me about it.  SSRI's which were prescribed helped this little girl feel like a little girl.   She was high strung and struggled with separation anxiety from her mom.   

In some ways,  I do think being trans is like a mental health challenge.  Because I imagine it is challenging to not feel right in their own body/gender and I can guess this goes beyond just feeling off.   I can never really understand, but I also do not have to.  I simply do not need to understand why someone wants to change something about themselves to make themselves feel better.   And the lengths people go to to endure this change to feel better is something that is very daunting.  From surgery to medical, to wardrobe, changing fucking information with the government, altering social identities and crowds (which if you read Cialdini's work, you would know is fucking huge).   The issue I see it, is that the people on the right, downplay this process and liken it to changing your shoes.   We even had a scumbag in a wheelchair talking about kids going to school and having sex change operations at schools, which we all know was complete horseshit but the right never bothered to call this out.  (Schools of course lack the budget, expertise, will, and authority to do something like that.  They also can't give my kid an advil when she has a headache and for my son to carry an inhaler, I have to fill out several forms and get them all signed by physicians so he can keep an inhaler on him whenever he needs it for wheezing. ) 

But back to the commented I quoted.  I would value the vote of my ASD child.  He is probably more informed than many adults and certainly more compassionate and empathetic to others even with his diagnosis.  He might not have the context or full history that comes with years, but he knows quite a bit less propaganda and quite a bit more facts, especially relative to my parents.   

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Europe should call our bluff. We need troops over there to maintain our hegemony.

i hope they do. the thing we have to hope for - if he's really a clown car - is that he oversteps and makes a mistake. He's being so aggressive I think the chances are high. will Republicans and the populace react soon enough, to be determined but he's fucking up the Ukraine thing royally and plenty are calling him on it - will it continue to snowball? let's hope so. Europe absolutely needs to call him on it.

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40 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So what is an appropriate age? Who determines what is an appropriate age?

Surely the people most qualified to make that decision would be doctors, the person, and their parents right?

No, we need dip shits like this guy whose last exposure to science was the C he got in ninth grade biology

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Posted
10 minutes ago, troph said:

trump threatened Europe with troop withdrawals if they didn't acquiesce to a US led proposal for Ukraine to surrender. story just now coming out from Europe.

 

Let me guess. Russia gets to decide how much of Ukraine they get to keep. 

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4 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

 It can't just be that Trump ❤️ Putin, there has to be more.

Why not? He's not known for being pragmatic or a deep thinker. His gut says that he likes Putin, or at least that he wants to be Putin, so he likes him. He's a simpleton with money.

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23 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Or the kid once they reach a certain age. But that’s only regarding gender reassignment. 
 

It was suggested to my wife and I by a doctor to get our then 8 year old on puberty blockers bc of her height. It took all of 10 seconds for my wife and I to blow her off. Shes almost 10 now and still no puberty. We may be saying the same thing. Idk. 

So what other medicines should we deny access to? Which should we mandate? 
Or are your only thoughts on government regulation of healthcare about the “gender fiasco”?

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Don’t know how much this has been talked about - I’m amazed that he’s only been in office a month and already talking a lot about another term. I’m sure he’s pushing for an 8 year term that would include the present term so he doesn’t have to run again. It floors me what he’s getting away with and what people are letting him do and say. And the Dems do not have an answer for him or his actions. It truly is 1930’s German Fascist.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Let me guess. Russia gets to decide how much of Ukraine they get to keep. 

And then some 

Posted
18 minutes ago, Paper_jam said:

What does Russia have on Trump? It can't just be that Trump ❤️ Putin, there has to be more.

The President of the United States is a Russian asset.

 

It’s not like this is new. He’s been a Russian asset for like 15 years at this point.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So what other medicines should we deny access to? Which should we mandate? 
Or are your only thoughts on government regulation of healthcare about the “gender fiasco”?

Can we get a ban on ivermectin too?

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

It’s not like this is new. He’s been a Russian asset for like 15 years at this point.

Lot of smoke around his role in oligarch money laundering through real estate back in the day. 

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Posted
Just now, troph said:

Lot of smoke around his role in oligarch money laundering through real estate back in the day. 

Shit that ain’t smoke. Stone cold fact that he assisted the oligarchs in laundering their money. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Shit that ain’t smoke. Stone cold fact that he assisted the oligarchs in laundering their money. 

I’m nothing if not understated 

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, troph said:

Can we get a ban on ivermectin too?

This is my point. You’re talking about government telling doctors and patients they can’t get treatment. Well some people think vaccines cause autism. Better ban those too.

Some people also think that everyone should be vaccinated for Covid and flu, guess we better mandate that.

You can’t tell us “govt bad but I want them involved in this one specific thing”. That’s not how it works. But trans people are weird so fuck them.

It honestly makes me wonder, like has he never even spoken to a trans person at all? Obviously he doesn’t have any personal relationships to lean on but it’s so strange the amount of interest people like him have in a community they’ve never even interacted with.

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My sons and I are watching inglorious bastards. I highly recommend it as a release valve. Shit we may watch band of brothers again too. 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

No, we need dip shits like this guy whose last exposure to science was the C he got in ninth grade biology

Hey I got a C in biology 9th grade. Mostly because I got a zero on my fetal pig discectomy because I gave it a Colombian neck tie.  She was not amused. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, troph said:

My sons and I are watching inglorious bastards. I highly recommend it as a release valve. Shit we may watch band of brothers again too. 

GIF by Chris Cimino

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Posted
13 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

So what other medicines should we deny access to? Which should we mandate? 
Or are your only thoughts on government regulation of healthcare about the “gender fiasco”?

I think for the most part abortion should be legal. No mid or late term. Abortions for women that have been raped or incest but good look with that muddy river. I don’t think religion should play a factor which unfortunately it does. 

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This is my point. You’re talking about government telling doctors and patients they can’t get treatment. Well some people think vaccines cause autism. Better ban those too.

Some people also think that everyone should be vaccinated for Covid and flu, guess we better mandate that.

You can’t tell us “govt bad but I want them involved in this one specific thing”. That’s not how it works. But trans people are weird so fuck them.

It honestly makes me wonder, like has he never even spoken to a trans person at all? Obviously he doesn’t have any personal relationships to lean on but it’s so strange the amount of interest people like him have in a community they’ve never even interacted with.

the voice ban GIF
 

all healthcare ban it all!! 

Posted
13 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

the Dems do not have an answer for him

okay this is just disingenuous. we're finally calling him Captain Chaos!

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Posted
Just now, troph said:

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. 

I've been sprinkling some Aldo Raine into more of my pop culture references, to give Luigi Mangione a bit of a break

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, troph said:

the voice ban GIF
 

all healthcare ban it all!! 

Oh ok. So only ban the healthcare for people with gender dysphoria. 
Thank you for proving the point.

Seriously think about the point and precedent you’re setting you dumb fuck. You don’t think trans kids should get treatment. I don’t think kids with ADHD should get treatment. Why should we ban one of those treatments over the other?

For clarity the ADHD is just an example. They obviously should get treatment, so should trans kids. We should let doctors and patients make healthcare decisions not the govt. 

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5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

This is my point. You’re talking about government telling doctors and patients they can’t get treatment. Well some people think vaccines cause autism. Better ban those too.

Some people also think that everyone should be vaccinated for Covid and flu, guess we better mandate that.

You can’t tell us “govt bad but I want them involved in this one specific thing”. That’s not how it works. But trans people are weird so fuck them.

It honestly makes me wonder, like has he never even spoken to a trans person at all? Obviously he doesn’t have any personal relationships to lean on but it’s so strange the amount of interest people like him have in a community they’ve never even interacted with.

I’m from a small rural Texas town. I’ve employed a transgender man and currently work in the same company as 2 others. I am by no means their friend but I also treat them with the same decency as any other acquaintance. 

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Just now, Texasborn91 said:

I’m from a small rural Texas town. I’ve employed a transgender man and currently work in the same company as 2 others. I am by no means their friend but I also treat them with the same decency as any other acquaintance. 

You mean except for voting against their existence and advocating for banning their healthcare. Lots of decency.

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Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Oh ok. So only ban the healthcare for people with gender dysphoria. 
Thank you for proving the point.

Nah revenge of the trannies staring troph and I don’t know doesn’t matter. 
 

imagine a world where troph is the supreme leader, a world where trannies hold leadership positions in all corners of Washington, a complete strangle hold on power. Congress can do nothing because of the memorizing beauty of all the tranny lady boys distracting the unsuspecting congressmen….. {sound of a record scratching} this would break the internet if I keep going.

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

You mean except for voting against their existence and advocating for banning their healthcare. Lots of decency.

Well, see, as long as you're not the person who PERSONALLY exiles them to the camps, you're fine.  Issuing directives and enabling the people who destroy their lives - well, that's just hunky-dory.  Any moral responsibility is on the folks who actually take the final action.

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Just now, hobbes2702 said:

You mean except for voting against their existence and advocating for banning their healthcare. Lots of decency.

Ok gotcha. No think like me so must be bad bad man. Enjoyed it 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Oh ok. So only ban the healthcare for people with gender dysphoria. 
Thank you for proving the point.

Seriously think about the point and precedent you’re setting you dumb fuck. You don’t think trans kids should get treatment. I don’t think kids with ADHD should get treatment. Why should we ban one of those treatments over the other?

For clarity the ADHD is just an example. They obviously should get treatment, so should trans kids. We should let doctors and patients make healthcare decisions not the govt. 

that was me spoofing … but I mean I’ve been called a dumbfuck before so maybe you did mean that at me.

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Ok gotcha. No think like me so must be bad bad man. Enjoyed it 

Is this English? What are you trying to say? 
How are you being decent to trans people by advocating that they not be able to receive the treatment that extends their lives? What’s decent about that?

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I think for the most part abortion should be legal. No mid or late term. Abortions for women that have been raped or incest but good look with that muddy river. I don’t think religion should play a factor which unfortunately it does. 

Your daughter will most likely grow up to hate you because you supported the political party that wants to take away her right to bodily autonomy. You are a complete cunt. 

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I think for the most part abortion should be legal. No mid or late term. Abortions for women that have been raped or incest but good look with that muddy river. I don’t think religion should play a factor which unfortunately it does. 

Genuinely, I appreciate your presence in this thread. I believe you are arguing in good faith, not trolling, and providing a clear depiction of your thoughts.

My question is this: you’ve expressed a few beliefs in this thread that appear to align closer with traditional Democratic Party views than Republican. What made you able to say “I don’t agree with Republicans on guns/abortions/etc, yet I will still give them my vote” but made you unable to do the same with transgender issues and the Democratic Party? Do you prioritize the transgender issue above everything else in the country? Or were there other critical issues to you where you align closer with Republicans?

(Adding in the obvious disclaimer that very few Democrats were openly campaigning on the transgender topic, it was generally just fodder lobbed by the opposition.)
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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I’m from a small rural Texas town. I’ve employed a transgender man and currently work in the same company as 2 others. I am by no means their friend but I also treat them with the same decency as any other acquaintance. 

That’s likely the first congruent thing you said on this topic. It’s also not enough to be considered humane. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I saw Chris Kluwe being very politically vocal on BlueSky, and thought "Wait the Vikings punter from back in the day when I cared about the NFL?" 

Eve 6 is also a strong, occasionally political, bluesky follow.



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